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Sixfiguresmart:
You are a Muslims Sir.

I have been called worse, but as I have been saying all along, saying something does not make it true especially if what you say is not based on facts nor evidence and is just what you make up in your head and choose to believe.

https://www.nairaland.com/4721331/atheist-islam-muslims

Wilgrea7:
As usual... Unwilling to discuss

Why do i even bother?

You bother, or should, because the op is not the only one reading what you write.

Wilgrea7:
I don't necessarily agree that if gods exist, or if creator gods existed, they had to be singular.

That being said, the claim to creation is one made by humans, on behalf of several thousand gods.

How can the theist know that theirs is the real creator? Well, they first have to prove the existence of their god, before going on to show objective proofs why their own deity had to be, or is the creator.

What would the proof look like?? I have no idea. Maybe their God could write in the sky something like “my name is X.. and I created y'all".. or make several planets and galaxies rearrange themselves to spell its/their names?

I don't know

Creation itself is a human construct, as are all the gods. The truth is, no one knows how the universe got to be, but it is not likely any of the creation myths are valid, nor is there anything to show they might be.

Sixfiguresmart:
Bro, I want to reiterate that I used to go to the Majlis and was taught the du'a. Every single person around me at a point in time was Muslim. I have been indoctrinated and I have in my possession a gifted qur'an from a Mutawa in Medina.

Bro, I am an atheist who can pick up a book and read it for myself and do not need anyone to indoctrinate me. And just as a Muslim can be in a bokoharam congregation, so are there Christians who can not turn the other cheek nor love their neighbours. It would however be ignorant to assume those are the proper and correct examples of Christianity, just as it is stupid to assume a bokoharam Muslim is a proper and correct Muslim.

What amuses me here is that you seem to have learnt your behaviour from the Masjid, instead of from your Lord Jesus Christ and the Bible, and to me that is like crucifying Christ over and over again all because you disregard the forest in your own eyes and are focusing on the beam in your Muslim neighbour's eyes.

So let me say, may you go to the pool of Siloam to wash your face after Christ has spat on mud and rub it in your eyes. Then shall your eyes open so you may see and understand what has been discussed here in Jesus Mighty Name, Amen.

Sixfiguresmart:
What aspect of the quran have you read and I have not read.

I think you should read a different book myself, because you can not possibly have read a book that says the below.

benalvino3:
me


you:


you are embarrassing yourself

Still, what you claimed I said is obviously not what I said. And for your information, the stock market will tank while the Fed fights inflation, as it should.

Unemployment may increase too, and property values may drop. But I guess you can't possibly understand why the Fed would do such a thing since an inflated stock market is a good thing as far as you seem to be concerned.

TenQ:
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2476

The Jizya tax was a tax on non-Muslims, and which this hadith is claiming to abolish, and no where does pig mean Jews except in the minds of idiots.

You would not after all claim Jesus sent demons into Jews when he is written to have [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%208%3A28-34&version=NIV]cast out demons into pigs [/url], so why assume pigs in that hadith refers to Jews, especially when the abolishment of the Jizya tax was to stop those same Jews from paying the tax?

benalvino3:
So tell me this. The stock market tanked after the inflation report.

Yes Ben, the stock market will tank after the very horrible inflation report because asset buyers now know that the Fed is not going to be printing money to inflate it anytime soon.

benalvino3:
you continue to show that you are a goat. you have no clue in what you are saying because you are indirectly repeating what I just said.

No Ben, I am not indirectly repeating what you just said. Open your eyes and read very slowly and you just might see the who the goat is.

benalvino3:
.... increase in buyers and decrease in sellers when the price is inflated?

budaatum:
.... a reduction in buyers and an increase in sellers would reduce asset ..

And since it's taking you this long to see that you can not read, I would be wasting my time trying to educate you on more complex things like basic price elasticity, and Inflation, and what money printing is, and who does it, and why and how it has caused inflation, and how eradicating inflation tanks stocks and asset prices, because it is bound to be far too complex for you puny brain.

KnownUnknown:
This is not about the “aim or purpose” of a law.
We are also not talking about the spirited efforts of someone doing something with eagerness or passion.
We are also not talking about a person in a good or buoyant mood being in good spirits.
We are also not talking about good alcohol or spirit.
We are talking about the entity called “Spirit” as used in religions or metaphysics. The “Holy Spirit” being an example of this type of entity.

Not, "we are not talking about", Known, since I obviously am. And I am not talking about "The “Holy Spirit” being an example of this type of entity", since I do not think it is an entity. Besides, your question was not asking about a holy spirit but about spirit, for which I do present "spirit of the law".

KnownUnknown:
First Definition: qadowsh (To Cut) - To be holy means to be “cut off”, or separate, from everything else. It means to be in a class of your own, distinct from anything that has ever existed or will ever exist.

I guess Pastor Tripp’s example of a qadowsh being is what he calls “God”.
You know who else is “cut off”? Before we even get to God, please know that Goa, Gob, and Goc are all qadowsh!!

Second Definition: Qadowsh - To be holy means to be entirely morally pure, all the time and in every way possible.

Number 1: The last person in this fucking world that will tell me about “morality” is a white American evangelical. That’s a joke.
Number 2: “Entirely morally pure” doesn’t mean anything.
Number 3: The murderous ethnocentric god of the Jews is not a basis for any sound system of morality.
Number 4: Neither is his alleged cult leader son.

No one is asking you to take what anyone tells you Unknown. I don't take all the God part myself neither, but just asking that we consider the second definition irrespective of all those numbers of yours.

I can for instance claim you are holy if I think you are "entirely morally pure, all the time and in every way possible" even though you might be an atheist, or can I not?

That after all has been my point with what you call my fake lie Parable of the Holy Orangutan. The Samaritan in the Jesus parable I parody was after all more of a pagan than a God believer, yet Jesus said, "Go and be Holy like the Samaritan has been", as opposed to like the assumed holy Levite and priest.

benalvino3:
So inflation Caused the stock market to crash and your response was the above?

No Ben, inflation did not cause the stock market to crash. The Federal Reserve buying assets caused inflation and caused the stock market to inflate and rise as much as it has, and the Federal Reserve changing course to now fight inflation is what is causing the stock market to crash.

benalvino3:
You don't even know what you are talking about.
Please what does this mean?

increase in buyers and decrease in sellers when the price is inflated?

all you said is rubbish.

Of course what I said would be rubbish to a blind idiot like you who can not read!

You tell me what what you wrote above means, since it's not what I wrote, Ben.

budaatum:
.....those invested in those assets know that a reduction in buyers and an increase in sellers would reduce asset price hence declines in the price of assets traded on the stock market. Smart people know the declines are not over and have actually only just begun.

KnownUnknown:
What is a spirit?
What is holiness?

We say things like "the spirit of the law", so it must have a meaning outside religion we can make known between us if we tried.

Holiness is somewhat more pertaining to religion, I think, so we are perhaps less likely to agree on what it might mean. So let me present Paul Tripp to get this conversation going.

sonmvayina:
So the question is what is the proof of the holy spirit?

Before "proof", what is it that is called "the Holy Spirit"?

Please know that I ask this of you specifically because you once said, and we agreed, that these things are not meant, or should not be taken, literally.

budaatum:
Defining words, or at least coming to an understanding of what they mean.

Sixfiguresmart:
Okay cool. I am very sorry, Sir. Kindly forgive me. Surah 18:60 And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his young assistant, “I will never give up until I reach the junction of the two seas, even if I travel for ages.”

Where are these seas located?

Same place the Garden of Eden is located, I guess.

Care telling me where that is?

benalvino3:
Spending and printing money is causing inflation, what did Biden do? Spend more and print more. I am sure it's Russia or Hitler's bombs as Voltron's Counterpart buda will say.

People tell me ignorance is bliss and I often laugh because ignorance is just plain stupidity especially if wilful.

Ben, Biden is not printing money, and money spent outside Russia does not cause inflation in the US!

The Federal Reserve was pumping money into the economy which was inflating asset prices like stocks and houses. They have now stopped inflating asset prices, and those invested in those assets know that a reduction in buyers and an increase in sellers would reduce asset price hence declines in the price of assets traded on the stock market. Smart people know the declines are not over and have actually only just begun.

Damn! I thought you'd been reading Wolf. Did you not quote him sometime ago? You should know all this if you read him more.

Here's one on deprinting.
https://wolfstreet.com/2022/09/05/by-how-much-can-the-fed-cut-its-assets-with-qt-feds-liabilities-set-a-floor/

Sixfiguresmart:
Knowing that you copied an excerpt only of my comment is bewildering. Are you scared?

Scared of you who can not kill the body not to talk of the spirit? Sorry, but you don't scare me, nor does your God who you don't even seem to listen nor learn from.

I copied an excerpt because, like the rest of your nonsense, it is not worth my time or effort.

Sixfiguresmart:
Very proud man you are. "YOUR JESUS"!!?? How demeaning is that?

Calling Jesus your's is an insult to Jesus, because you definitely have nothing to do with any of the teachings of Jesus though you want to make us think you do what you do in Jesus'name.

TenQ:
Do you know that according to Muslim theology, Jesus will return and kill all the Jews (kill the pigs), convert all Christians to Muslims (break the cross) and kill the Antichrist (Dajjal)!?

No TenQ, I don't know the above.

Wanna show me the Muslim theology that say so so we know you are not lying?

TenQ:
Jesus spoke against those who claimed the serve the God of Abraham but distort Gods truth

John 8:32-34,37-42:
"and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. … I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."




Jesus never bothered the Romans with ANYTHING!

..woe unto the Scribes
..Woe unto the Pharisees

What is common with these?

Muslims claim the serve the God of Abraham: don't they!?

Jews also claim they serve the God of Abraham, don't they, and they don't seem to care about your Jesus.

If satan behaves badly towards Jesus, I am certain, or rather, I hope you would not behave like satan and claim you do so in support of your Jesus just as you are behaving like the Muslims you claim are attacking your Jesus, because no where does it say darkness (ignorance) is what you should use to overcome the ignorance of others.

It does not matter what Muslims claim just as what the Romans claimed or did not claim did not matter to Jesus neither. Muslims after all do not claim they serve Jesus nor do they worship him.

TenQ:
I am sure you don't know this Jesus
John 2:15:
"And when he had made a whip of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;"


Neither this Jesus who spoke up against those who distort the truth of God's Words

Matt 23:14-15:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."



You probably know the "teddy bear " Christ who is always mute and quiet against those who distort the words of God.

Isn't it amusing that Jesus was saying the above to those he shared a faith and religion with, and not those who did not worship his God, like the Romans for instance. Same way I am talking to you and not the Muslims who don't read the book I've been quoting.

If Jesus were to say the same things today, it would be to you Christians and not the Muslims.

jesmond3945:
he mentioned some items which are fact in some places. Somebody in this thread said if you chat up africans you might not die of boredom which is true. Africans can make you feel at home. However, some nationalities can while others cannot. For example indians are a bit cold but once they know you, they can even invite to their homes. English people take time to know you, however they are very polite and friendly but call them on phone or invite them for an outing they would not come. Is not hate they just take time to know someone. The worse are the eastern europeans you can never tell what is their mind. However, not all of them. It is a complex situation. If you are enjoying oyibo friendship well and good not everyone is doing same. Oyibo would only do small talk at the bus stop but let your sister greet that same person tommorow the person would just ignore her.

What is a fact or not depends on the individual, and if that individual is an ass, they are bound to get negative ass reactions wherever they may be.

You try it. Before you leave your house tomorrow, say, "Goodness and mercy, follow me wherever I may go". And if you decide to pack some goodness and mercy to spread around where you go, don't be surprised that everyone you meet gives you goodness and mercy back. But if you pack unfriendliness to spread around, know you will surely reap what you sow.

TenQ:
Sorry sir
I wonder when it began to matter to you that I adhere to my "Christian teachings".
The person who decides to give one a dress will have eyes looking at how he is also dressed.

If Jesus has not risen from the dead, a Christian is the biggest fool in the universe: and you expect me to keep quiet as your definition of Christian faith about a religion set up to assert the opposite!?
That is not Christianity sir!

Stay blessed!

Jesus has not risen from the dead if those who worship him crucify him again and again by not doing his will which is the will of the father who sent him.

And it is not for anyone to tell you if Jesus rose from the dead or not unless you yourself give them the power to proclaim whether he rose from the dead or not, since you ought to know better.

Jesus has shown you what you should do. Whether you do it or not is entirely up to you.

jesmond3945:
To avoid this argument, just live and work in the north of england, north of france or belgium especially or in scandinavian countries like finland or norway or eastern europe like lithuania, bulgaria, europe. Not visit but live, study and work there.
This might not happen in all of europe and america.
Visiting a place and living there are 2 different experiences entirely.

Is my stated 'live where I've lived' not sufficient enough for you?

Has the op even stated he has lived in the West? If he had I'm certain this thread would be about how Nigerian Abroad him is "Dying Of Lonliness And Depression", instead of him asking "Is it really boring there", which kind of implies he is not there dying of boredom and loneliness himself.

But please, do take his word for it if that is what you prefer to believe.

Whoever sells this person drugs needs to stop!

If they are concerned at losing income from selling him drugs they should contact me and let me pay them instead please.

This thread reminds me of advice I gave my sister when she joined me in UK. "Sis", I said, "people might tell you all sorts of things about this country and its people, but please use your own senses to check for yourself".

A few months after arriving, she complained to me that people here are too friendly. "Ordinary standing at the bus stop, they want to say hello to you".

I laughed and said, "I bet your Nigerian friends have told you people are not friendly here. I am glad you have checked for yourself".

I would give you all the same advice and ask you to check for yourself instead of taking anyone's word for anything here. It might be that I myself am the ass so no one wants to befriend me such that I would definitely be dying of self inflicted boredom and loneliness and eventually dying in my house with no one caring about my useless selfish uncaring ass.

I'm certain that if you cared about your neighbour's, your neighbour's would care about you.

TenQ:
I wish you could state just one thing I've said that is untrue about Islam and what Muslims believe.
..say not trinity
...God has no son
...trinity is God, Jesus and Mary
...Jesus was not crucified on the cross
... Jesus did not die on the cross
...Jesus is a Muslim
...the bible is totally corrupted but the Qur'an is perfectly preserved to the diacritical marks


Any one of them will do sir!

TenQ, you are funny. You know full well that there are Christians who do not believe all you listed above. Besides, they are merely beliefs, so why should that be important when the fact is that there are many Christians who believe what you've listed above but go on to do the things Christians should not be doing as I've been shown here?

Please, I am done here. Time for me to leave you believers to your beliefs. All I've learnt here is that I must never ever consider becoming a Christian like you and the op, since it seems to mean abandoning your Christian teaching and doing what you are condemning the Muslims of doing.

opeyy:
everything ednut1 said, except that I don't wish to return to 9ja. I have only been back once since I left and I was desperate to change my ticket to return back to the UK after 2-3 days in Nigeria. I have not gone back since. I am extremely used to the quiet life and civilisation here. Sometimes, I wonder how I grew up in 9ja, Lasgidi for that matter lol.

Please tell us if you "Seems To Be Dying Of Lonliness And Depression" abroad.

Maybe they will believe you better.

detectivejones:
I see what you're trying to do. You're stylishly looking for justification an motivation.

Lol. It's like when some Nigerians claim every Nigerian is a thief to justify their own stealing.

Ask them if their Nigerian mother and father are thieves, and the penny drops.

jesmond3945:
To avoid this argument, just live and work in the north of england, north of france or belgium especially or in scandinavian countries like finland or norway or eastern europe like lithuania, bulgaria, europe. Not visit but live, study and work there.
This might not happen in all of europe and america.
Visiting a place and living there are 2 different experiences entirely.

"Over 40 years", is not "Visiting a place"! And I have lived and worked in the North of England too.

TenQ:
Sorry,
Silence of the knowledgable in the face of open deception is wickedness!

What happens to darkness anytime the light comes on?


But you advise that I don't beam my light as the darkness cannot comprehend me?

Who is the truth really hurting?
The Muslims!?
Or is it you!?

What is hurting is how you and the op are turning what you should have learnt from reading your Bible upside down in your attempt to challenge ignorance.

There is no truth in what you and the op are claiming, and just as there are ignorant Muslims who don't read or understand their Qur'an, are there obviously Christians who do not read or understand their Bible nor do what it says in it that they should do, as you and the op who clearly has not read the Qur'an are proving here.

TenQ:
The OP has a right to his own opinion and you'll notice that I've not commented on his post. I have only reacted to your comment based on what I know and is verifiable in Islam.

I quote again some of the direct frontal attacks on Christianity by Islam: are they untrue?

..say not trinity
...God has no son
...trinity is God, Jesus and Mary
...Jesus was not crucified on the cross
... Jesus did not die on the cross
...Jesus is a Muslim
...the bible is totally corrupted but the Qur'an is perfectly preserved to the diacritical marks


My question is, should I keep quiet?

If what they say has any effect or bearing on you, like if they say there is no God, and your God then stops existing, I suppose you must not keep quiet so your God does not disappear in a puff of smoke. But if you understand that what anyone says does not change the facts as you know them, then you would not bother responding to ignorant people because it has no effect whatsoever in the facts as you know them.