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You never learn do you. For months you went on about the kraken. Kraken finally got released as a no bamboo damp squid, and now you want to go looking for bamboo in the envelopes.

I just feel for those whose time you manage to consume.

basilico:
Mailed ballots are in a self addressed envelope.
Fill in and mail back.

HellVictorinho:
Disposed

Everytime you mention me I feel like sending something to our dear mother but the thought of it ending up in your hands just puts me off.

airsaylongcome:
Very shambolic marketing. Isn't there some regulation around medical advertising?

In my beloved country Nigeria? When you find one do kindly let me know.

Besides, a DNA test is hardly "medical" if it is done for social welfare purposes, I'd think.

HellVictorinho:
I will rather be insane to you

I wish you'd find a cure but if you prefer being insane who am I to argue or insist otherwise?

HellVictorinho, I guess its safe to conclude this is you since its unlikely two different individuals could be suffering from the exact same malady you appear to be suffering from.

I'll call it a doubling of your insanity and hope you find a cure.

Crystyano:
Off course


This vomit is from your brain as it is

Polluting Nairaland

Your pussy,arse and mouth deserve to be smashed with fantastic respectable black dicks till all the sewage in your head disappears

For the mental disasters thou showest can't enhance your reputation

Thou shall not declare your fellow Africans as anything but your fellow humans lest thou becometh less commendable than baboons and chimpanzees


It's of no use defending yourself


2Pac is more important and talented than you can ever understand


The greatness of MJ can't be ridiculed with your useless reasoning towards the issue I'm addressing

What if I'm also a rapper?

You are a white-ass worshipper


According to your reduced mind

ALL Blacks or whatever that means are inferior to ALL Whites or whatever that means


You have concluded that your waste product is the truth


Spits on your ways till you repeat garbage in vain


You will die unable to comprehend how powerful my resistance is to useless attempts to make me feel I'm against myself


Dtruthspeaker, Budaatum,Otem,etc have stated Bla Bla Bla towards other matters with me spitting on their minds too

triplechoice:
However ,whatever the case I don't believe in luck or coincidence.

I don't fully accept it . it prevents people from finding the actual cause behind any occurrence.

There are plausible explanations why certain thing we dont understand happen.

I think you are getting hung up on words. Luck and coincidence are simply human explanations and rationals, and may indeed be occurrences that have actual causes that are not known.

If I apply for a job and get called for an interview, it would be a coincidence if, unbeknown to me, the interview would be conducted by a former classmate whom I taught in uni. And if I end up getting the job, I might consider myself lucky (or even, me reaping karma), while the former classmate who has more information than I might have might tell us I was the most qualified applicant for the job. It in no way means I believe in luck, though coincidences are a fact of life that one accepts whether one believes in it or not.

If I believe in luck or coincidence, perhaps I'd sit on my silly ass waiting for luck and coincidence to rain down the mana of a job on to my lazy coincidental ass, for that's what me and my ass would be if I relied on luck and coincidence for my daily bread.

Nigeria imports crude palm oil! What a shame.

EmptyGarden:
Lies.

Marketing, lol.

triplechoice:
Casting inuedos doesn't prove anything.

Cowardly behavior at its best. Not what I expected from someone like you.

You're taking sides without bothering to find out how it all started.

It is typical knee jerk reaction to jump into conclusions about someone without knowing much about them.
How do you know I have not read his book?

And what do you even know about my position concerning the arguments we have been having?

Triplechoice. Anyone can tell you've not read Otem's book. If you had, you'd understand he is not claimimg what he is writing is based on actual facts nor is he asking anyone to believe what he's written, so you thinking it is fact to believe shows a limitation in your comprehension. If that were not the case, you'd have simply asked Otem to show you the cage in which his Yahweh is encaged, and if he doesn't or can't, case closed.

KnownUnknown:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia

https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/world-history/world-history-beginnings/ancient-mesopotamia/a/mesopotamia-article

Perhaps James would find your's less "children's website" than mine, I hope.

James please stop being unnecessarily tiresome!

Which countries now occupy the land known as ancient Mesopotamia?

jamesid29:
Lool. You really are trying to use a children's website as source "https://www.twinkl.es/teaching-wiki/ancient-mesopotamian-writing"
We might as well be using "My book of bible stories". Loool

To top it off, you couldn't even be bothered to read what the actual topic of the post was. It was about Mesopotamian/cuneiform Writing, not even about Mesopotamia as a geographical location.

Mehn, this has been one very fascinating conversation..
For someone who places such a high premium on knowledge, you really seem to be adverse to it.

Again you do know it would take you less than 5min to figure out the geographical land area of what constitutes Mesopotamia right?
Why are you so bent on holding on to a believe that is so trivial?

OtemAtum:
Sometimes when the ignorant ones think they are making points, we just have to leave them to their own fate. If you check all my posts, you will see that I don't shift any goalpost. I support my arguments in every aspect. If it comes in form of English Language, I defend it. If you bring it in form of science, I defend it as well. That's what you call 'not sticking to one thing?' Na wa o. So you expect me not to clarify things when you deliberately or ignorantly misquote me? That's impossible na

I can not help wonder what is wrong with you!

Why would you be arguing with those who have not bothered to read what you've been writing for years now? Can people who have not read a book understand what's in a book they never read?

He is much better than the jaguda bullion van guy.

jamesid29:
You seem to have a habit of doing that quite alot actually. Problem arises when you make these inferences with text that can talk back or expanciate on what they mean, you inevitably believe your inferences are correct.


Sigh,You really don't know what a translation and an interpretation means, do you?


Huh?

If you say so James, though I can't myself see how you are not guilty of that which you accuse me of here. See as you insist I do not know what an interpretation and a translation is instead of presenting what you think it is.

Do let me know what you hear when "text talk back or expanciate" (sic) to you what text mean. As for me, texts do not talk. I read the text myself then use my own senses to understand what I read. Its how you and I differ.

jamesid29:
Largely in Mesopotamia.

Where did you get the idea that Mesopotamia, millennia later is now known as Egypt, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and Iraq?

Are we seriously going to be here arguing where ancient Mesopotamia was, James?

You do know "ancient" covers a vast timespan of immense change, right?

jamesid29:
Like I said, you do know you could take 5mins to check, if what you wrote is true, right?
It's a pretty easily verifiable claim and you would in less than 5mins know where your mistakes are?
Why are you chosing to believe it dogmatically?
It's quite fascinating actually..

Oh and by the way, where in my statement did I make a false allegation against you?

Where was Genesis 1-11 set, James?

This is you being devious and dishonest. Please do not make false allegations against me.

It is not wrong that Genesis is mostly set in the areas I mentioned, with large parts of mythological places like the Garden of Eden that never existed.

But if you know different say so please.

jamesid29:
So you know what you wrote was wrong, right?
But you just chose to blindly believe it....
Huh,very fascinating.

jamesid29:
Lool. Can you show where I made the claim that I read the bible in it's original language. That shouldn't be hard to point out.

It seemed to be what you were inferring when you said I hadn't. Glad to know we both haven't. It means neither of us can claim an advantage in this regard.

jamesid29:
So let me make the point again in a simplified manner;
You do know all translations are interpretations, right? And everytime you read the translated bible, you are reading the interpretation of others that is being presented to you right?

James. Even the original so called text is a translation and interpretation, is what you seem not to get or think I don't get.

Go dig deep into ancient texts and you'd see how the Jewish texts are translations and interpretations (my preferred word by the way is, understanding) of what came out of Egypt and surroundings where the Israelites got their understanding from.

jamesid29:
Like I said, I don't think you've really thought through the things you are saying?

Well, so long as you are thinking instead of claiming to know, I can live with that.

jamesid29:
You know you could easily have taken 5mins to google what you just wrote up there, right?

Yes I could. And if you'd thought of that you probably wouldn't have bothered to ask the question!

jamesid29:
Let me ask you,if I may, what part of the world do you think the bulk of Genesis 1-11 was set in?

Ancient Mesopotamia, which millennia later is now known as Egypt, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and Iraq.

jamesid29:
I kinda figured you wouldn't engage in any of the ideas using the bible or it's context itself.

I asked a simple question and you responded with the "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period(That's still thousands of years, granting the most liberal dating)" answer that I have repeatedly informed you I despise, and which you are trying to make out is some superior qualification you have, lol.

Seriously, I do wish you'd really understand what you claim to have figured out about me. Anyone who has read what I have been saying all along would have easily figured out what you think is some feat on your behalf.

jamesid29:
LoL. You really don't know how interpretation of text works, do you?

I doubt you read the bible in it's own language(which is not a prerequisite for any christian), but you do know that everytime you read the translated bible, you are reading the interpretation of others that is being presented to you right? You do know all translations are interpretations, right?

You doubt? You should know I have not read the Bible in it's own language because I do not speak nor am I capable of reading the Bible in its own language. I can't even read the Bible in its original English as its far too difficult for me to comprehend, and I definitely haven't tried it in the Latin that preceded it nor the Greek Septuagint that preceded that since neither is a language I understand.

Thing is, if you were to be honest, you'd admit you haven't read the Bible in it's own language neither, but see as you are attempting to claim that you have, lol.

James, would you like to tell me what the "own language of the Bible" is please? Is that what you read?

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jamesid29:
Anyway,Kind of a long explanation to a short answer but that's just the nature of reading the bible in my opinion. It's always way more interesting than we tend to see at first glance.

James, I am amused at your assumed capability to read the ancient minds of the Bible authors when what you've presented is what you've been told to believe and not in any way the nature of your own reading of the bible or your own opinion, a thing you said I did in a rather accusatory tone and which I therefore doubt you can bring yourself to emulate.

The descendants of the Israelites must have evolved their understanding from what you say the ancients understood, as we can see that the fruits of trees of knowledge are the daily bread of the Israelites and any successful nation of today. A use your own brain Eve sort of person would shake their head at your exposition and become a disbelieving atheist, is what I think, but thanks immensely for the effort. You've confirmed why I cannot be a 'believing Christian' as I can't accept this sort of wuruwuru to the answer to justify what you wish to believe, nor do I think the authors of the text made any errors as the text works perfectly as it is if understood.

jamesid29:
What was different about the Jewish understanding though was that unlike their neighbors who thought the gods live in this lush paradise but created humanity as slaves to take up the task the gods didn't want to do, Isreal's conception of God was that He created this lush paradise for man to inhabit with him and enjoy all it's goodness, including the tree of life.

I'll have you consider that "Israel's conception of God" came out of Egypt where they were enslaved for centuries until Moses opened their eyes. There is a reason why Jesus had different understandings of the text to that of the Israelites of his time.

jamesid29:
LoL, you seem to be so hung up on your own personal interpretation of what I wrote about " Many people have been studying the text", rather than admit it wasn't I meant and you assumed wrongly. I'm guessing it's alot easier to hang into your assumption because it fit a certain narrative you much prefer.

I guess you've missed my point all along. Pay attention.

My first post, which I reposted in response to you specifically stated, "I'll only be able to respond from what I read". Does that not show you that I, buda, am very very extremely hung on my own personal understanding of the text in question? You, however, miss that point then ask me about what "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period(That's still thousands of years, granting the most liberal dating)"!

In Genesis 1, God, I read, created (hu)makind and told them to multiply and rule over the earth and the sea. In Genesis 2 Adam and Eve are created and told to work in a Garden. Is the Garden of Eden the earth and the sea that humankind in Genesis 1 is told to rule over? Can humans rule over the earth and the sea if they do not eat the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

You then wish to argue if "rule and multiply" is an instruction, and if those who obey it would be blessed while those who don't would not be blessed! Would you prosper if you don't obey the instruction to rule and multiply or don't you just consider the food you ate today to be the blessing due the fact that you multiplied and ruled?

Yes, I prefer my understanding to that of "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period(That's still thousands of years, granting the most liberal dating)". As you'd gather from my first post in this thread if you understood it, I'd rather be knowledge and wisdom seeking Eve than ignorant naked enslaved Adam. But most of all I'd rather be rule and multiply humankind than Adam or Eve, and you sir are equally free to choose which you wish to be regardless of my "narrative", for it would be hypocritical and contradictory of me to say you must abandon your narrative and accept mine.

Do note that you do not need to tell me if Adam and Eve surely died on the day that they ate if you do not want to. I'm really interested to know though if you accept what "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period(That's still thousands of years, granting the most liberal dating)" or if you can accept what you can see with your own two eyes, for that is what our discussion here boils down to.

jamesid29:
We all miss things, so pointing out something someone might have missed is not trying to tell them what to think. Rather it's just showing them a piece of information they might not have taken into consideration while parsing the issue.

The above, by the way, is why I have given your post short shrift. Rather than engage with what I've written, you've assumed I missed something, then you go on to tell me what I should believe. It's the same thing that was done to Adam in the Garden of Eden and why he stupidly daily went past the tree of the fruit of the tree knowledge of good and evil without plucking to eat to test if it is true or not that he would surely die on the day he ate it or not.

Its also why I've asked if he died on the day he ate the fruit or not. It would show if you are brave enough to accept what you see with your own eyes or accept what "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period" tell you to believe despite what you can clearly read for yourself.

jamesid29:
If this is what you got from everything I wrote, I'm afraid you misunderstood most of what I said

You seem to not be able to accept that I can read a text and have an understanding of my own. Its why you insist my understanding is foreign, while failing to recognise Jesus' understanding too was foreign to the people of his time hence their reason for arguing with him so much.

You also asked me to "show using the text that the verb ""barak - to bless" can have a lexical range that includes "instruction"", which is not what I said, since the instruction is what I said would bring about the blessing. Or do you want me to spend my time showing you that those who get off their ass and obey the instruction to "multiply and rule" and so on would be blessed when you yourself ought to know that is the case? Did you not spend your day multiplying and ruling so you would be blessed, James? Would you be blessed if you had sat on your ass all day?

I've said my bit. If it does not suit you, I'm good with that. One thing I'm certain of is you'd know much less about what we are discussing if you had not consumed the fruits of knowledge that you have consumed. And last time I checked, it was the lack of knowledge which is ignorance that kills, and not knowledge.

Do let me know if you believe or think Adam and Eve surely died on the day that they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is what "Many people have been studying(not just reading) these texts as far back as the second temple period(That's still thousands of years, granting the most liberal dating)" have taught despite the text clearly stating otherwise.

Jamesid29, I forgot to ask. Did Adam and Eve surely die on the day that they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

I ask because that's what is taught.

HellVictorinho:
Denying it is not disproving it

I agree. Insisting as you do is not proving it neither.

Read jamesid29's post below. You'd love the bit where he implies one must not use one's own mind to understand what one reads.