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basilico:
Im getting tired of lies.
Gibraltar. Vaccination
Gibraltar has administered at least 79,269 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 117.6% of the country’s population.

They have positive cases and 100 deaths or so from covid.
Can somebody explain this please.

NaBanga:
No one in America is going to accept such behavior. You will end up being investigated by social services if it goes too far. You are not wise and I suspect you.

Imagine if in kindness I now bought a busicut for a 2 year old girl. She now follows me into my apartment like a friend while she ate her biscuit in my house. Inside my house, I remove my shirts and wears only a boxers.

In this new place, a 13 years old girl was attracted to me because she love God and saw that I prays a lots.

Barcelona2021:
I need to rest, at least I will be free from hunger and penury.

benalvino3:
You wey go school, use Google, it's not hard to verify.

Most women getting abortions (83%) are unmarried; 67% have never married, and 16% are separated, divorced, or widowed . Married women are significantly less likely than unmarried women to resolve unintended pregnancies through abortion

Goodvibes007:
That is good, but the guys on the right won't like that. Ben and company would call that safety net SOCIALISM.

benalvino3:
In the US more than 85% of the women who have abortion are unmarried. In Nigeria there are more abortion done by unmarried than married. In China it is a different case because they are allowed only one baby. China have 25million or more abortion in a year. Mainly forced abortion.

UK, the rate of unmarried abortion is significantly higher than married.

In the UK they have child benefits, you cannot claim a child should be aborted because of poverty there.

benalvino3:
He is flip flopping. At one point he was asking me the stage of pregnancy before that baby was killed. The photo I posted then Goodvibes007 posted laws that says at some point you can't do abortion.

Budaatum

Now he is saying as long as the baby is in her body, it's her body her choice. She can kill it even if the next day she will give birth. He is very confused.

Goodvibes007:
If the mother is poor and can barely afford to pay rent, how would she be able to take care of the kids with a thousand pounds a year? That's just £91 pounds a month.

I don't know much about the UK though so maybe Budaatum or Ibime can chip in when they are less busy.

benalvino3:
Do you have a clear stance about abortion or you just argue for the sake of it?

benalvino3:
So budaatum, when does it stop becoming her body her choice? Trend follower

CSTRR:
Coming from a tinubu advocate.

This is funny.
Thanks for making me laugh.

Kokobilo87:
ya donkey ya crying? Isa wipe tha floor with ya.

wirinet:
This is one of your red herring fallacies. 99.9% of women who abort were not impregnated by one night stand strangers. Most women who procure abortion are women in relationships and even marriage, who for various reasons are not prepared to go through the rigours of pregnancy, childbearing and child caring. It may be due to finances, health, lack of support from their partner, career, schooling, not wanting any more chikdren, etc. The bottom line is the woman choose not to carry the pregnancy.


And I applaud those women who despite not getting any support from irresponsible men, birth and raise their babies by themselves. The bottom line is, it was their choice and was not forced upon them by benalvino3 and co.


How will a woman know when the heartbeat of the baby starts. Is there some kind of indicator?

benalvino3:
You photo says keep your policy out.

Your body your choice should supercede the laws. That's what it means incase you don't know the meaning of what you say

benalvino3:
Ask wirinet and Enugurangers if they have said I am shaming women and putting responsibility only on women or I am punishing them for their sexual immorality and you specifically lied I said women who go to club for one night stand are abortionists.

You still can't lie properly despite it is what you love to do so much.

benalvino3:
I asked you a question you are dodging it.


You post the photo too.

Again, what month does it stop being my body my choice?

You clearly said abortion should not be performed when the fetus is viable but the fetus is still in the woman's body. Again when does it stop being my body my choice?

benalvino3:
You keep saying I am interested in punishing women, I have been the only one talking about women and their safety, and responsibilities and taking measures so they don't get pregnant from a stranger, budaatum you and Enugurangers have attacked me for saying women who want to have fun should not rely on a stranger not to get her pregnant since he mostly does not hope to see her again or care about her well-being.

benalvino3:
The land has laws. They jail women or men who take drugs, then jail men who refused to pay child support, they jail women who abuse or abandon their kids.

Budaatum argument, his first post to me was her body her choice. he says fetus is not human, I showed him a fetus that is fully developed. Now I dig house his post that proves he does not believe in HER BODY HER CHOICE.

So I am asking him when does it stop being her body her choice? Becuase he seem to be all over the place

budaatum:
I already did. Read the factcheck I posted on the subject. If you are capable of differentiating between "abort a baby" and "kill a baby", I'm confident you can differentiate between "a comment" and "a bill".

Politics, probably. You know what you Americans can be like. Though, in my opinion, it's a stupid bill.

In my opinion, abortions should not be happening if the foetus has reached the point of viability except in very extreme circumstances like the life of the mother is threatened. When you decide to fight for that, please call on me to support you.

basilico:
As per Texas medically ,the heart beat is detected at six weeks.
Budaatum should tell us whether at that point the foetus is viable

benalvino3:
Budaatum this is your word that contradict you.

Based on the bold budaatum, when does it stop being her body her choice?

1month 9months? When?

OkukoIgbo:
So because I advised you to be a normal human being, you immediately became a motivational speaker out of the blues.

benalvino3:
And your point is?

I don't think anyone trust you in this life. You seem like a very dishonest person than is deceitful and can easily back stab.

You like to quote someone so make your point. Liars like you no they tire to lie. Oya quote me.

If I mention one night stand and abortion in same sentence it must mean I am saying people who do one night stand are abortionists?

Wow

assent:
How did this person know that the lady informed her family members that she wanted to travel?

Was he there when she was telling them?

OkukoIgbo:
I just wanted your guys to come see what condition your darling daddy is putting you through even when olosho house full everywhere.
Are you still in police custody and hope you didn't infect the goat with any STI? we even discovered it was a male goat, what gross wickedness is that? This is homo 2.0, you are a miracle fuccking worker menlhn!

benalvino3:
I said it is easy for a woman to sleep with more men than a man can sleep with women.

benalvino3:
Where did I say that?

If you get sense you won't be making stupid assumptions. My words are women should protect themselves when they sleep with men they don't know. If you get common sense you for know this.

A few months ago, I was late. You know what I mean: My usual period day came and went without a spot, and suddenly every wave of exhaustion, every twinge of anxious nausea, became a harbinger of a very unintended pregnancy, a sign that my NuvaRing had failed me. I’m married, happily at that. And I’m a mother, happily as well. But our family feels “complete,” as demographers put it, at one child. And so my husband and I had to make a choice—or so we thought, for a very tense week before my body made the choice for me. As we lay awake at night whispering pros and cons for continuing the pregnancy, stopping only when our daughter padded in to snuggle under our covers in the predawn hours, I wondered if our mere deliberating might call into question my soundness as a mother. If I, already happily immersed in parenting, chose to terminate, wouldn’t I be unusual for doing so, maybe even stigmatized as a sort of prenatal Medea?

I was wrong. Women who are already mothers have more abortions than anyone else, and by an increasingly wide margin. When Guttmacher Institute researchers last ran the numbers in 2008 they found that 61 percent of women who terminate a pregnancy in this country already have at least one child. That was before the recession, though—before the poverty rate rose to swallow 40.7 percent of women who head families, many of whom know they can’t afford another child.* So I asked the National Abortion Federation, a professional association of abortion providers, to run the numbers on the women visiting their clinics and calling their hotlines in the past few years. The resulting figures shocked NAF President Vicki Saporta, who called to tell me that every year since 2008, a whopping 72 percent of NAF clients looking to terminate a pregnancy were already mothers, up at least 10 percent from the years before the economy crashed.

But while the typical abortion patient is a mother, very few people seem to realize it. Lawrence Finer, Guttmacher’s director of domestic research, told me that this fact is “one of the most unknown and surprising statistics across the board.”* Guttmacher is trying to correct the public’s misperceptions with a YouTube PSA designed to show that women who have abortions aren’t necessarily who we think they are. But why are these misperceptions so skewed in the first place? Is the intersection of motherhood and abortion a minefield that activists choose not to navigate?

NAF’s Saporta told me she thinks anti-abortionists have successfully depicted women who choose to terminate a pregnancy as sexually indiscriminate. “It’s much harder to demonize the mother who is struggling to support the kid she already has,” she says. But then why doesn’t the group that she leads make this very point? “Good question—I think we should,” she replied. I also put the question to Gloria Feldt, the former longtime Planned Parenthood Federation of America president. “I believe the whole movement has made a terrible mistake,” she said, referring to the pro-choice movement’s decision to avoid talking about mothers’ motives for having abortions, and instead focus “on the less frequent reasons, which are rape and incest or teens who are simply not ready to be parents.”

For her part, Rachel Jones, a senior research associate at the Guttmacher Institute, thinks that public perceptions of who aborts and why are skewed mostly as a result of all the political heat around late-term abortions and adolescent abortions (minors have only 7 percent of all abortions). In other words, she argues, mothers who abort are invisible not because anyone is conspiring to keep them that way, but because so much attention is focused on other women.

But why do mothers have so many abortions in the first place? Jones co-authored a qualitative study titled “I Would Want To Give My Child, Like, Everything in the World: How Issues of Motherhood Influence Women Who Have Abortions,” which found that most mothers who abort say they are doing so to protect the kids they already have. As Jones points out, that rationale is tough to demonize politically, especially when you consider that most women making this choice are contending with some combination of low income, unemployment, and a lack of health insurance, or are struggling to raise kids on their own.

These are the kinds of stories Anne Baker hears daily across the little round table in her office at the St. Louis-area Hope Clinic for Women, where she has been counseling abortion seekers for 35 years. In 2008, the last year for which the clinic has available numbers, 62 percent of its patients were mothers. But Baker says the number of mothers coming in has swelled markedly since then, just as it did during the economic slowdown of the late ’70s, when she was first starting out at the clinic. She has compiled a list of 25 reasons mothers commonly give her for not having another child. By far the No. 1 reason is a desire to protect the families they already have. Most of the time, this calculus is an economic one, though Baker has also noted a growing number of women like me, women who are “less apologetic than they used to be about saying they’re a good mom and for them to continue to be a good mom, they choose to do it with one.”

Of course, when it comes to public opinion, it’s one thing for a mother to choose an abortion out of desperation, and another to do it out of preference. Feldt says the motivations behind a mother’s choice to terminate place her on a sliding scale of public opinion. Recalling her days polling voters at PPFA, she describes the American view of who gets to have an abortion like this: “The less in control of a woman’s life she is, the more the public supports her right to make that choice [to have an abortion]. The more she is in control of her life, saying this is the life I choose, the less people support it.” So if a mother who is destitute chooses to abort, we might accept her decision. But someone like me, who could support another child if only I moved to a less expensive ZIP code and got a job with a steadier paycheck? I’d be a moral pariah.

“It’s scandalous for white women like you and me,” Jennifer Baumgardner recently told me over coffee. When Baumgardner gathered women’s abortion testimonies for her book Abortion and Life, she had yet to terminate a pregnancy herself (on the book’s cover, she’s pictured pregnant with her second child). But when she subsequently found herself pregnant again, she chose to abort rather than have a third child. When we start talking about why the pro-choice movement hasn’t made mothers more of the story of abortion in America, Baumgardner rolls her eyes. “Women in the movement have this enormous disconnect between actual lives and what they believe in,” she says. “They’ll talk about other women but they think their own story can be used to undermine them.”

Is all this true, though? Is the stigma that attaches to abortion actually compounded if one makes this choice as a mother? Are we right to think that terminating a pregnancy after carrying another one successfully to term will undermine our standing not just as women but as good parents?

At the University of California-San Francisco, Kate Cockrill directs the Social and Emotional Aspects of Abortion Program, and is trying to measure sources of stigma. She has found that many mothers deliberately explain their choice to abort in the context of their motherhood, thinking that doing so will ward off judgment. “Motherhood is an assertion of their humanity,” Cockrill told me of women who fear condemnation, “and claiming their motherhood is part of managing the stigma of abortion.”

Still, Cockrill has found that once they have established social identities as mothers, many women will do everything they can to avoid tarnishing that identity. For example, she found women who had babies delivered by an OB-GYN refused to see that physician when they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy. “They wanted to be seen as a mother,” she said, “not an abortion patient.”

Corrections, Oct. 18, 2011: This article originally stated that 42 percent of women live in poverty. This statistic refers only to women who head families, and the correct percentage is 40.7, not 42 percent. (Return to the corrected sentence.) The article also misidentified Lawrence Finer as Larry. (Return to the current sentence.)
https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/10/most-surprising-abortion-statistic-the-majority-of-women-who-terminate-pregnancies-are-already-mothers.html