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Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:50am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
You just believe it by faith just like the napkin religion

Do you do this a lot, create a belief in your head and run with it?

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:38am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
My point is clear, only evidence will change my mind about the existence of god.

Do let me know if you change your mind so I can tell you you got stupid because that's what you'll become if you change your mind since no one is ever going to provide you with evidence for the existence or lack of of Gods.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:33am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
All the rhetoric just to avoid being asked for evidence for god?
Dude , you make a lot of stuffs up.

I don't do evidence for God, Workch. It's no different to asking for evidence for a spaghetti monster or Father Christmas or unicorns, and would just be yelling, dumb.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:28am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
God and demons?
You want to start telling me the usual fairytales about your imaginary friends and foes?

When you read the fairy tale called Things Fall Apart, does Ikemefuna become your imaginary friend and foes?

If I say “Life is as tedious as a twice-told tale, Vexing the dull ear of a drowsy man”, does Shakespeare's King John become my friend and foes?

I'm ending this current stage of our discussion here, Workch. You and I shall meet again, hopefully after you've checked the evidence, for I will ask.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:21am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
I surely prefer being told, seems like you believe more than believers going by your comments.

Only believers don’t like evidence

I agree that believers don't like evidence. You yourself are evidence of the truth of that statement.

You believe quite a lot about buda after all, and despite the evidence.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:18am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
its not my fault if you don’t like evidence.

You should work on yourself to tolerate that word.

Believer, yuk! Or don't you realise you are stating your belief instead of checking the evidence, which you claim to like, for yourself.

What's the point of tolerating a word you don't live by? Is it any different to demons believing in God and trembling?

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:12am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
You can’t ask for evidence because you believe blindly, I don’t

See. A blind belief, which can only be due to the fact that you refuse or are incapable of checking the evidence before you.

Should I get someone to inform you that buda is not a believer, workch? You do sound like you prefer being told instead of checking for yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:08am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
How am i religious?

is this another of your faulty deductions?

It would sound faulty to you, but you have religiously been on this thread seeking evidence for a religious God. I'd go further in fact, after checking your profile, and say you are very religious, though I bet you likely think religion means you pray and go to church on Sunday.

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Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 12:03am On Sep 22, 2021

Workch:
We care, and that’s why it’s a debate in secular countries. Are you deliberately ignoring this?

Maybe you should go talk to hisbah in Kano or go publicly sell beer in Sokoto. You will understand what we are saying

In which secular country, worch, is the existence of God a debate, and who is debating it? And why the fuq would I want to publicly sell beer in Sokoto unless I am indeed mentally incapacitated or want to have my head incapacitated?

As for asking hisbah, that would make me become like you who is asking for evidence of a God on a forum as if those on the forum have been to see God and brought back a report or better still a photograph so buda may see.

Sorry workch, but buda refuses to be that ignorant and stupid.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:56pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
You are funny
Religion when allowed peddle funny beliefs freely with amount to the likes of Afghanistan.

Religion will affect your life irrespective of your age if you allow it grow. It will make important decision for you if you allow them peddle it especially if allowed into state affairs.

We have seen this happening and happened in history.

Religion. A new word in our discourse. Are you aware that you are a religious person? If not, check how religiously you've been posting here then let me know how it has affected your life irrespective of your age. It would be interesting to know.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:53pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
You can become mentally incapacitated if you want.

But evidence will be demanded when it affect important matters. You are safe if you keep it to yourself

This is not an important matter workch. No one cares what crap anyone chooses to create in their heads and believe even if they do not keep it to themselves, as you'll find this out in due time.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:48pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
I think you are straining yourself a lot.
Without evidence, a god claim is equivalent to Flying Spaghetti Monster and Invisible Flying unicorn.

No reasonable person should take those claims seriously especially when they use them to tell you how to live your life.

I still need evidence that god exist. That’s the only way of establishing the truth and we will keep demanding it

Please stop denigrating the Spaghetti Monster. You are new here so might not quite know how revered he happens to be.

I have never made the claim you believe I have made and you are demanding what those you demand it from can not give you Workch, and the fact you are demanding it from them shows you don't want to or can't know or you'll be searching in the right place.

That said, I suspect you are still at an age where you are being told how to live your life. Once you grow past this stage people might begin to trust you have enough knowledge to live your life how you want, but more important is that you trust yourself. It's after all your life. Tell those who lack faith in you knowing how to live your life to go do one! No one should be undermining you like that!

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:33pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
Still doesn’t mean you should say thing without evidence.

The above is like saying I should not be mentally incapacitated if I so want to be.

Are you perhaps trying to save me with a "thou shalt not say things without evidence"? It would be funny that you who doesn't like to be told how to live would be laying down how I should live.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:28pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
We still need evidence to verify all the bogus religious claims elder none happened.
They should keep it to themselves

Typical believing religious bigotted behaviour!

Why should they keep it to themselves? Can't you just stick your finger in your ears so you instead don't hear them instead of going taliban on those you'd rather not hear?

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:24pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
Anyone who believes stuffs without evidence is a gullible person.

It’s always morally wrong to believe stuffs without evidence.
It’s a precursor for gullibility, it’s prone to errors and it demeans the intelligence of the person.

Anyone who believes stuffs without evidence should not be taken seriously. Such person is capable of making bad decisions as a result of multiply mirages in his head.

I agree. Unfortunately, many people believe a lot of stuff without evidence, and many even believe the opposite of what the evidence suggests.

I mean, see you believing that I am asking you to believe when I myself find beliefs to be anti-use one's brain and toxic.

Should I stop taking you serious, Workch?

Politics › Re: Banji Akintoye: North To Continue To Rule Nigeria Regardless Of Who’s President by budaatum: 11:18pm On Sep 21, 2021

Tomek09:
That was the slogan of Sokoto State until they reluctantly changed it to Seat of the Caliphate.

It's also the slogan that buda from Osun State would gladly adopt even if I only get to rule over myself.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:16pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
God still doesn’t exist in my mind unless I see evidence that he does.

Its always right to ask for evidence to know the truth

It's your mind, Workch. Don't let it be filled by others.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 11:14pm On Sep 21, 2021

Nothingserious:
Materialism at its best!

“Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”
[Billions and Billions of Demons - JANUARY 9, 1997 ISSUE]
Richard C. Lewontin

“There is an old saying, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will start treating all your problems like a nail.” This quote dates back to 1964 and Abraham Kaplan, whose first wording was actually, "Give a small boy a hammer and he will find that everything he encounters needs a pounding."

Once you view all existence through the prism of materialism, everything is reduced to what can be investigated by matter only.
We know that not all we know and believe in can be reduced to empirical analysis and yet we have come to belief in them by experience.

This is funny. I'll explain.

"Acceptance of claims" means, to believe, and anyone who does that has not at all done science, which means, use your senses, which is why a true scientific claim must be testable and repeatable, as Workch claimed. What's funny is that you and he are arguing for the exact same approach to living but would never notice, I bet, which is, believe the right thing.

Science is not about belief. Science is about you using your own senses to test to determine the truth. Its why so much is written about Christ opening people's eyes so that they may see, and once you learn to use your eyes, your heart and soul and mind might work too. Christ, in that sense, was a scientist. And he wasn't scripturally the first. Presented in the story of the Garden of Eden is Adam believing that which was shown to be untrue by use her senses Eve

"Seek and you shall find", someone is once written to have said, and not "let someone else seek for you and you just believe what they tell you to". Only a mentally incapacitated individual, to borrow a phrase, and a slave, would believe what they are told instead of what they perceive with their own 'Jesus' opened eyes. Such people remain enslaved and naked in Eden as opposed to use her senses to free herself and her man from slavery Eve, whom we read did not "surely die" on the day that they ate, but went on to become self employed and populated the earth.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 10:45pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
If it doesn’t have evidence, it exist only in your head and no one should take you seriously for it.

Your long epistle doesn’t matter. If you claim a god exist then show us evidence else I don’t believe it.
If you can’t provide evidence then keep the beliefs personal, it’s your opinion. Whenever you try to tell me about it, I will ask you to provide evidence.

If you can’t provide evidence, it means you don’t understand your own beliefs yourself. You should be able to substantiate what you believe or it’s new dogma and nonsense.
You probably living in fictions.

I also think someone holding beliefs without evidence is mentally incapacitated

You sure have quite a lot of beliefs, Workch!

I have never asked you to believe anything, as you'd notice if you don't let your beliefs blind you, and I have not made a claim about the existence or not of Gods apart from the fact the God Book many read has it written in there that no one has ever seen God, which I am not asking you to believe because you can very easily pick up the book and read it there for yourself instead of ignorantly believing me.

Anyone asking anyone to believe anything, even with evidence, is mentally incapacitated, is what I think, and those blinded by their beliefs even moreso. Go read the story of how incapacitated believing Adam is written to have been before Eve saved his sorry ass and you might get that beliefs blind, and those selling it are enslaving, but I guess I'll wait till you abandon your beliefs and can see.

Politics › Re: Banji Akintoye: North To Continue To Rule Nigeria Regardless Of Who’s President by budaatum: 9:20pm On Sep 21, 2021

dragunov:
Ok.

I move

You are respected.

Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 9:19pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
There is nothing wrong is asking for evidence for a belief system that people are literally trying to force down you throat dude. A belief system that is capable of dividing people, causing war, science denialism and to cap it, they are willing to spread this unsubstantiated beliefs with everything they have got. Please don’t tell me not to ask for evidence when they doing all their best to indoctrinate everyone.

It’s nothing insane is asking a believer to provide evidence for his god owing to the amount of atrocities and evil such beliefs haves caused both in the past and now.

A belief in god is totally different from the analogy you present. it’s a worldview and a debate everywhere. Whether or not I believe in anything, it doesn’t matter. The moment your beliefs now start telling me how to live my life or threatening my person, it’s a problem and religion bears all the hallmark of that.
I will not ask any believer for evidence if they can stay on their own and never want to tell me how to live my life. The moment they try to make me live my lie within the confines of their religious beliefs then I will ask for evidence 1million times. Nothing absolutely wrong in doing that.
If they want to convert logical people, then they have to bring concrete evidence for whatever they say

If you ask me to provide evidence for what I claim to believe, you simply lack an understanding of the word "belief" , because if I actually knew, I wouldn't just believe, I'd actually know. Try it with mother. See if you don't detect doubt if I were to claim to believe my mother is my mother.

If you ask a person who understands their God book for evidence of what you think they believe but which they instead understand they'd simply tell you their God is a spirit that no one has seen (its in the book, I gave refs), or something similar if they bothered to answer you at all, after all, the intent of your asking is so you can argue and be divisive while failing to see the forest in your eyes. But let me.

First. The sad thing is you see everyone as telling you what you must believe, a forest that blinds you to trees, so, the pox on buda if buda tells you how to live your life instead of insisting you use your own mind.

Second, a belief dictates a worldview, and a worldview dictates how one lives one's life. If I believe I have the right to what is yours, I will live like a thief and just take what's your's. If I believe God said, "Let there be Light" and then created Adam and Eve in six days and rested on the seventh, my worldview will differ to one who believes the world evolved and is a few billion years old. If I believe my food will fall like manna from heaven, my worldview differs to yours if your's dictates you get off your ass and work for your daily bread, which will indicate how we live our lives. You will wake up early and go to work while I might be sleeping from yelling to God all night. And if I happen to eat that day, thank God since I never worked for it as you did.

That, Workch is why the arguing, different worldviews, a recognition which if noted might become something different, like a discussion in order to understand each other better and influence or be influenced or a slap in the face even, so I get you. I kind of see what you doing here as returning from a long days work then arguing how you wouldn't share the food you laboured so hard and long for with yelling to God all night me. Lol. That's after all an analogy for if I'm telling you to not use your own mind and brain to ask and knock and seek understanding and just believe what I tell you to so why shouldn't I deserve a slap for asking to be fed by you whom my God sent to feed me?

I got a suggestion for you. Say, “Away from me, you deservedly starving buda!" Or anyone else assuming to tell you how you should live your life if that's the just dessert. I read a story about some dude who said something similar once and the peddler of beliefs trembled then departed from him and angels ministered to the dude instead. Its only a suggestion though I hope you wouldn't be like braindead enslaved believing Adam, which is what believers want to turn you into, and which you must indeed resist or tremble like they do.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:02pm On Sep 21, 2021

basilico:
The vaccines work. I don't doubt that. Their duration is my grouse. The dollar billions are humongous. Ill leave that for now.

The rona infects you. Our bodies are wired to fight foreign entities in them. Rona attacks, our defensive mechanism produces
cytokines to fight it. These cyto whatever can be produced in excess , once they kill off the rona they attack working organs and now that's what kills you. Heart,liver, brain, skin failures follow.These reaction break your body and send you to the kingdom come
Im no expert on this but that's what I know about this Wuhan virus.

Dewormer drug that science developed for parasites somehow stop the body overproducing these cyto whatevers. In reality the dewormer was not meant to treat the COVID virus, twas found that somehow it prevented the virus from attaching to healthy cells and overall reduce the cytokines. ivermectin is not a covid killer , it just stops the body from over producing killer antibodies.

Back to vaccines. They induce the body to fight infection of the rona. Once you inject, the body cell defense remembers that this pathogen should be neutered. And That's the big problem. How long do these mrna engineered antibodies retain the memory. A lifetime like polio? No answers, just get this vaccine according to pundits We shall figure out soon you need the booster jab.

I should do medicine.To the vaccine inventors. The more the vaccine works like it should for some duration that necessitates a booster a few months down the line. More bucks surely if a 20$ dose is repetitive for a few billion people.

Old geezer. Match my reasoning.
Budaatum. Now you know where I stand.
Obrigardo. Make money while you can.
Salford. Pray the Remnibi does not takeover the dollar.

Ok I reserve my choice insults.

All of this bas, and you did not take the safe HCL or Ivermectin, you allowed the poisonous vaccine to be injected into your body! Do you want to die young or something?

basilico:
When it comes to vaccines I got the moderna single dose not because I should be resuming work in just over a week but because I will be forced to mix with people I cant vouch for.

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Politics › Re: Banji Akintoye: North To Continue To Rule Nigeria Regardless Of Who’s President by budaatum: 8:54pm On Sep 21, 2021

dragunov:
Otelemuye. You have changed your moniker. What exactly is your point o. Because you have said nothing.

No, I have not ever changed my moniker. And if you don't get my point, it might be because I was not making my point to you so it therefore sounds like nothing to you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: There’s No Evidence That Your God Exist by budaatum: 7:42pm On Sep 21, 2021

Workch:
Your are right, you don’t need evidence to believe anything.
Because you believe it doesn’t mean it’s true.

I can also believe that unicorns exist.

Yes you "can also believe that unicorns exist" and it wouldn't make actual unicorns exist, though I would question your "also" with which you attempt to paint buda as a believer, still, if I were to start arguing that your belief us incorrect, I'm certain I will arrive at the point where I begin to realise how incorrect my own head must be unless I were resisting believing.

If you believe Workch, you clearly couldn't possibly have done the work so you may understand what you claim to believe. And yuk, says buda. Not at you Workch. At believe.

Politics › Re: Pro-buhari's 'one Nigeria' Rally In New York Bankrolled By Presidency Cabal—sour by budaatum: 7:22pm On Sep 21, 2021

Successionist:
Another source who knows him well later noted that “Haruna Bello that organised the pro-Buhari protest in New York is one of my neighbours in Maryland. Never knew he’s connected to the (Presidency) cabals. He was definitely bankrolled by them.”

The One Nigeria group members carried placards on which were written, “Stronger together”, “Unity in diversity”, “Genocide in Eastern Nigeria plain propaganda”, “Nigerians want national unity, not secession”, “Nigerian Christians not targets of genocide or ethnic cleansing”.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2021/09/21/buhari-supporters-in-new-york-hired-or-nigerians-be-the-judge-photos-video/

Politics › Re: Sanwo-Olu Tasks Nigerian Navy, Others On Internal, External Security by budaatum: 7:13pm On Sep 21, 2021

naptu2:
More

With all due respect - and I'm certain you know its immense since it begins with you whom I follow - but this is like this.

I thought you'd known him a long time?! Everyone knows for fuq face kayode follows the money. If he'd lived in the 17th Century he'd be a seller of slaves!

Politics › Re: Banji Akintoye: North To Continue To Rule Nigeria Regardless Of Who’s President by budaatum: 7:03pm On Sep 21, 2021

dasparrow:
Some have the born to rule mentality.

This is amusing. Last time I checked, mentality is a personal choice or preference. One gets to choose which is one unless braindead so can't choose.

You make me recognise some have born to lose mentality.

Rule!

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Politics › Re: Banji Akintoye: North To Continue To Rule Nigeria Regardless Of Who’s President by budaatum: 6:58pm On Sep 21, 2021

T9ksy:
.....but what is ur own belief concerning what Prof. Akintoye said? Was he right or wrong and do buttress your "belief" with verifiable proof/s.

Objoke was in Aso rock for 8 years however, even "Stevie Wonder- cogenitially blindman, can tell that it was the Northerners who were pulling his "puppet" strings.

If I may. Prof. Akintoye was very wrong. He does not seem to be aware that seun has created Nairaland where we congregate - to argue and insult each other and bet9ja and bigbrother now, but who in the future would organise and evolve into the powerful force that will shape Nigeria into the great nation and people we are destined to become.

It is that becoming that you are here being as you acquire the knowhow of your destined greatness. Prof. Akintoye would know this if he sees the tool that Nairaland is, or will evolve into once we Nairalanders realise it ourselves and plot our own destiny and future.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 6:41pm On Sep 21, 2021

basilico:
If my memory is right I dismissed Q as Live Action Role Players (LARP) awhile ago when responding to you.I think you remember.
The Q origins came from some guy/group that was in the innermost circles of Drumph.
Surly debunked.

Now that you are taking me down this path, on Friday the long awaited forensic audit of Arizona (which Ive been branded with) will be released. Will in my humble opinion show that Joe Biden did not win Arizona and there will be calls to decertify his electoral college votes.
Further IMO other states will move to audit and decertify his win.
I believe thats why the US AG Garland thinks domestic terrorism is the biggest threat. When you disenfranchise voters their reaction cannot be predicted.

I predict the future.

Bas, I do not ever recall you being anti-q, especially not after all your kraken posts. The two intricately coexist. You can't kraken without q. That said, you're taking the vaccine but have continously posted antivaccinely just like drumpthfh, dstucker and so many qgops who say one thing then do it's opposite. Q you would claim to be for democracy and then storm Capitol Hill and be for the content of a womb so long as that's where it stays, so I have no choice but to recognise your ability to confuse yourself.

Bas. Do know that I'm sad Sunday Rules got killed for you and I. I've had to avoid you because of it since I can't stand during the week dishonest you and so miss how I benefited from you being honest with yourself. Ben it was who killed it, with the help of destroy who was living out his name though I can't tell who had who by the nose. Just thought to tell the honest inner you, if it could get past dishonest qbas you that this during the week bas seems to - kill, is the most appropriate word, with my bads.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 5:33pm On Sep 21, 2021

basilico:
Obviously u are wrong. Partakers of Q are retards. ( The old geezer needs google for this. How I love poking his sorry ar.se)

Are you suggesting you are about to abandon q, bas, on the eve of the kraken reveal?

If so, it must be because you've seen the kraken has no clothes, and you'd rather not walk around naked just as you'd rather take the vaccine you insist would kill you!

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Celebrities › Re: Chris Rock Tests Positive For COVID-19 And Urges Fans To Get The Vaccine by budaatum: 5:26pm On Sep 21, 2021

Pierce008:
Vaccination is a matter of choice.....m

So is death, in this case at least.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 5:23pm On Sep 21, 2021

Outspoken does not properly describe you. Try admitting you adopt the ideology that states, that which maga says is what you must believe. It captures you rather more accurately and explains why you keep posting q talk points.

basilico:
I know you can think. Im outspoken on several key issues.

COVID plus its associated themes.

Democracy and Accountability wrt to elections

Climate change ( Im termed a sceptic)

Joe Biden won validly with 81m votes.

Censorship by big tech.

Religion (Lets not go there Im too opiniated )

Feel free to add to the list of issues I bring up. Meanwhile when my boses send me to London Ill look you up. Its a shame we have to go hide identities. Hi

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