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i never imagined for one minute that the us would confirm that they were planning to invade even if that were the case!!!

he is worse than a fool, i would say that he is being led and dictated to by america and britain - those are his real masters and he knows the deal - if he were a fool it wouldnt be too bad as you could say that at least his intentions are honourable but in this case his intentions for nigeria and nigerians are not honourable and he is being controlled externally.

this is why nigerians deserve the theives they get as leaders, why would anyone support a woman who is a spokesperson for a band of theives, rather than asking such a s.t.u.p.i.d question you should be advocating her arrest for misleading an entire nation with her fabricated stories.

finally america is beginning to show its true colours -  the americans and the british have finally had enough of china encroaching onto their territory (nigeria) now they are prepared to take things to the next level - use of military force - their plan is to occupy nigeria under the pretext of quelling the uprisings and restoring the country to stability and peace - all this talk about bringing stability is false - the intention is to scupper any attempts by china to continue with its investments in nigeria.

consider this excerpt from a british publication:

"in november last year china announced at a china - africa conference in egypt that it intended to step up its investments in africa, it pledged $10 billion of loans with lower interest rates and longer repayment periods than those currently on offer to africa by the united states owned IMF.  within days of this announcement the IMF threatened to cut off lines of credit to the Democratic Republic of Congo if it did not scale back a Chinese investment plan. The IMF, a body dominated by the US, showed that it is quite prepared to plunge this war-torn and impoverished African country into financial isolation, a fate that has already befallen Zimbabwe, with disastrous consequences for the mass of the population."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/nov2009/afch-n16.shtml

i also think the us and britain are desperate to stop china from gaining access to our oil reserves,

here is another excerpt from the above mentioned publication regarding china's proposals for oil investement in nigeria:

In Nigeria, which has Africa’s largest gas reserves and its second-largest oil reserves, Chinese oil companies are interested in taking over $50 billion worth of oil reserves currently licensed to Western oil majors. The China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC)—China’s third-largest oil company—is trying to secure stakes of up to 49 percent in 23 oil licences, ten of which are operated by Chevron, eight by Royal Dutch Shell, four by ExxonMobil and one by Total, covering more than 10 billion barrels of proven oil reserves and substantial gas reserves.

According to Tanimu Yakubu, chief economic adviser to the Nigerian President, “Even at this early stage, where nothing has been agreed, it is clear that the Chinese are ready to pay very, very much more for some of these licences than the existing operators”.

If it is successful CNOOC would become the largest foreign partner in Nigeria.

also consider this:

Clinton’s repeated interventions into Nigerian domestic politics are an expression of the urgent desire of the oil companies to restructure the government along lines that will ensure they maximise their profits.

Last year, Yar’Adua received a letter from the Chinese state-owned oil company CNOOC expressing an interest in the 23 prime offshore fields where Shell, Total, Chevron and ExxonMobil currently operate. He rejected China’s initial bid, but, when the letter was leaked to the press, confirmed that negotiations were ongoing. China has already signed oil deals with Angola and the Democratic Republic of Congo. If the Nigerian deal were to go through, it would double China’s oil reserves in sub-Saharan Africa and mark a significant change in policy for the Nigerian government.


my interepretation of the above is that china was prepared to offer much more money for the oil licences than the existing american and british oil companies are paying for them, something tells me that the nigerian govt under yaradua was more than happy to favour china over  britain and the us, isnt it funny how the following incidents happen shortly after china offers a higher bid for the oil licences than is currently being offered by the us and britain:

yaradua goes on extended medical trip abroad and is yet to be seen by anyone

calls are made for a hasty handover to goodluck jonathan

uprisings and religious violence start occuring in different parts of the country

america declares its intention to send a un peacekeeping envoy to investigate and report back

america steps up its intention to implement the final phases of its africom programme whose aim is to locate military bases all over africa.


another article details how China's increased investment proposals in africa were and still remain a major cause for concern by the us and britain:


"As China develops ever more extensive interests in Africa, the US risks losing its once undisputed hold over the Nigerian elite. [/b]The latest manifestation of China’s penetration came in February with the privatisation of the state-owned telecoms company, NITEL. The company was sold to the New Generation Telecoms Company, a consortium that includes Hong Kong-based China Unicom. The Chinese company initially denied taking part in the auction, but later admitted that its European subsidiary was involved in the bid. [b]Vice-President Jonathan has ordered an investigation into the sale and has suspended the head of the Bureau for Public Enterprises."

could this be why the americans gave their whole hearted support to Jonathan? is he doing their bidding as opposed to Yaradua?

I wonder what the outcome of Jonathan's investigation into the award of the contract to the Chinese will be, it would be interesting to find out whether the Chinese contract will be revoked and offered to a british or us company instead?

either way something is not right here.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/mar2010/nige-m16.shtml

@spicymum sorry, didnt mean to offend you with my comments but they were based on what i see around me, dating amongst nigerians is actually not a common occurence most of the time you see people marrying people who they barely know which i beleive is asking for trouble, people change all the time, i find it really difficult to understand how you can date someone for 8 years and not really know them inside out, i think when you embark on a relationship there will always be warning signs or red flags about a person's personality that should enable you make a decision about going forward or pulling out completely. can i ask you a question is your partner acting completely different to how he was throughout the 8 years that you dated him? if yes then maybe you need to find out what is causing this change, if no, why did you go ahead and marry him knowing he had these character flaws?

one other thing - when you were dating did you spend time talking? what sort of conversations did you engage in? did you open up to each other about your outlook on life, your dreams your hopes for the future etc?

im so excited to hear that a musical based on Fela Kuti's life which has been showing in an off broadway theatre in New York is now coming to London in November. Jay Z, Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith are said to have invested $1m between them towards its production.

the show is to premiere at the National Theatre in london which is one of the most prestigious theatres in the world, i feel really proud to be a nigerian.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1259038/Beyonces-husband-Jay-Z-lucky-Fela.html

i think if most people spent more time trying to get to know the person first before jumping into marriage there would be less divorce and yes i agree with the above posters you are better off divorced than living with someone you have grown to hate, if children are involved i think it is imperative that the mother puts the welfare of her children before her own needs and takes them out of an environment which is impacting negatively on the child.

There are so many f*****up kids walking around today who are the way they are because of the selfish and irresponsible attitudes of their parents who put the interests of themselves before their children. A male child who sees his mother being abused and mistreated by his father will grow up to do the same thing to his own spouse, a female child who sees her mother accepting abuse from her father will grow up to have low self esteem and think its normal for men to treat her like trash, therefore if two people can no longer live under the same roof without mistreating each other the best option is to call it a day and part ways if nothing for the sake of the children after all they did not ask to be born into a dysfunctional set up.

damysa ive been following this post and i do feel for you - however i think you've really got to prioritise what is in your best interests and not look at things in terms of what people will say, first of all your health and the well being of your child should come first, from what you have revealed your husband has put your health at risk by conducting a highly promiscuous lifestyle.  not only are you at risk of hiv but other std's which despite not being as fatal as hiv can still lead to infertility ie chlamydia, herpes, i think you need to put this at the forefront of your mind.  secondly you are right when you say that you are alone in the marriage, marriage is a partnership between two people - yes there will be ups and downs however both parties must be willing to compromise and work together, you cant be the only one pleading, crying, begging and adapting while the other party continues with their bad behaviour, once you accept that as the way to be in  your marriage you will officially become a victim of abuse, your husband will know that no matter how bad he treats you you will never challenge or confront him you will absorb it and there will be no incentive for him to change - unfortunately that is how abusers behave, many of them have no conscience and their sole aim in relationships is to dominate and control.  You might ask why does he want to control you well first of all he is intimidated by your intelligence and success he finds it threatening, most men dont like to be around let alone be married to women who are more successful than themselves, this is his own way of cutting you down to size, his ego is extremely fragile, however he is going about things the wrong way, what he should really do is talk and tell you how emasculated he feels when you succeed at things ie your supermarket business  - that way he opens up to you which im sure you will appreciate, if he were to do this both of you could address the problem in a mature and calm way, both of you could be open about how to resolve things without you trampling on his ego and without him demeaning and humiliating you with his promiscuous lifestyle.  

no marriage is easy however it is up to the two people involved to accept that each party has its own part to play and no matter how much one person wants things to work the marriage will be doomed if only one person is doing all the adapting, crying, pleading and praying.  i hope you find a way to make things work - remember your child did not ask to be born into these circumstances and she should now be your number one priority,  dont expose her to an unhealthy environment as she will absorb all the negativity and it may affect her psychologically later on in life - hope things work out.

jeez this guy is f**** ugly why anyone in her right mind would want to be with this pathetic creep is beyond me, has he got any money, if the answer is affirmative then i understand why, if not he must be having a laugh if he thinks he can pull a half way decent looking broad!!!!

i think he's trying to be a fela wanna be he forgot fela had talent, good looks and charisma qualities this creep completely lacks, his ex wife is well rid of him - any pics of her available?

justwise:
You are just spreading misleading information, when you posted that link i knew that you got an issue with Nigerian men. What you said above proved me right, there is no bases for your comment, just what you read from SOME faceless women online, u can not based your unfounded judgement on hear-say. Tell me this if those women are wonderful and all the faults are from the Nigerian men why are their men(white) not all over them?
You read some comment from some disgruntled women and rushed to conclusion that Majority of Nigerian men are like that, i would like to know where your from.

Justwise - can i ask you why directing someone who has never dated nigerian men to a forum with discussions   of experiences by mainly non nigerian women is as you say "misleading information" if you were about to embark on a relationship with a national of a country you had no prior knowledge or experience of, surely you would be curious to know what sort of track record people from that country have in terms of relationships with foreigners ?  would you jump blindly into a relationship with someone from a completely different culture without consulting other people who are more familiar with those people and that culture? 

well,  this is what ive done,  the poster has come on here asking for info on a person that they are interested in getting to know and i have furnished them with what i beleive is helpful and useful information.  it may not necessarily be positive information but it is helpful and useful.  why is that difficult for you to accept and why do you perceive that as me having an axe to grind with nigerian guys, as i have mentioned above i am a nigerian guy myself, however i have spent most of my life in europe and america.   

you say that what i said above is based on comments made by "faceless disgruntled women" who may be lying - thats true but they may also be telling the truth, why are you so willing to dismiss them as liars but so willing to give the guys the benefit of the truth even though they too are "faceless"?  am i alone in thinking that you are applying a double standard here?

[quote author=Tink_sh link=topic=407149.msg5693334#msg5693334 date=1268613840]Yes this is my first relationship with a Nigerian man or any man outside of a white aussie.[/quote]then i would advise that you proceed with extreme caution as the majority of nigerian men born and bred in nigeria rarely seek serious relationships with non nigerian women, there is usually an ulterior motive which you may not discover until its too late. i posted the link just to give you an idea of some experiences that other non nigerian women have had with nigerian men outside nigeria.

justwise:
I'm not in anyway saying that there are not SOME Nigerian men making fool of themselves but my prob with that post is the level of generalisation, men cheat as well as women, i hate it with perfect hatred when pple can not treat others as individuals. Clinton cheated in office, does that make ALL American men a cheat? Tiger Woods beded how many women? How about John Terry, Ashely Cole, Wayne rooney, frank Lampard. . the list go on . .does that make all engish football players a cheat? My issue with you is that you directed her to that topic knowiing fully well what the topic was alll about. Your freedom of speech stops where mine starts, its not freedom of speech anymore when i'm called names for doing nothing wrong

hmm but what if the number of nigerian men who cheat, lie and mistreat women outnumber the ones who dont?
many of the women on those posts seem to have very similar stories which follow a similar pattern - is that pure coincidence?
of course noone is saying that cheating is an exclusive preserve of nigerian men, ALL men cheat, we know that, however there is a tendency in cultures where women have less equality with men to regard cheating as more acceptable, in the west however it is generally frowned upon and in addition married men in the west who cheat stand to loose a lot - their home, 50% of their income and in some cases access to their children.

you cant pick and choose what you think should be free speech, you either accept that we live in a democratic country that permits free speech or you go and live in a totalitarian state where your every move is monitored and controlled.

Firespit:
@cap28: with all due respect, you are a fool. slowpoke! out of 12 disciples, there was a judah. does that make the other 11 crucifyers?

by the way i.d.i.o.t its judas NOT judah - i see that you are not only ignorant you're also semi literate

Firespit:
@cap28: with all due respect, you are a fool. slowpoke! out of 12 disciples, there was a judah. does that make the other 11 crucifyers?

hello scumbag do i give a Poo what you think - you have some nerve making a biblical reference and then following it up with abuse - s.t.u.p.i.d hypocrite.  if you have a brain which i sincerely doubt you would know that people are entitled to have their opinions about others whether you want to accept it or not - my advice to you is stop being narrowed minded and learn to listen to other people's opinions and finding out why they have those opinions without resorting to abuse and name calling.

justwise:
Yes i have to defend innocent and decent Nigerian men, i hate the generalisation going on there, what do you want her to learn from that website? That[b] ALL[/b] Nigerian men are lairs, cheats, scums. after white women for passport, scammers? The list go on and on. Why don't you give her advice BASED on this particular case she posted here? You are a brother? Please give me a break

@justwise why are you busting your gut over other people's opinions - last time i checked we lived in a democracy where freedom of speech is the prerogative of every citizen therefore  i dont understand why you are so pissed off - of course noone is saying that ALL nigerian men behave in that manner just a lot of our men or there wouldnt be  so many foreign women on those boards complaining so bitterly about us - im currently in a very happy relationship with a sista (non nigerian) but i constantly hear complaints from non nigerian women all the time about nigerian guys, i actually have to tell them myself that we're not all bad i know that im not like those guys neither is my brother whose been married to a jamaican woman for 5 years, but sometimes no matter how bitter the truth is we have to be men enough to accept it and try to deal with it thats what maturity is all about.

justwise:
I see you are one of those silly fools who go about bashing ALL Nigerian men, i know that topic you are directing her to. When will little minded things like you stop generalising?

why so defensive? im alerting her to what's out there, the same way id alert my sister, whats wrong with that, im a brotha by the way, but i still think its important for foreign women to know that there are loads of wolves in sheeps clothing, if you've got nothing to hide why are you getting all hot under the collar?

eterpete:
Cap28, you must be a counselor or something good, that's where the compliments stop though. I'll pick on a few comments you made. The girl knows i am highly pissed off, i reckon i am a realistic soul and not some narrow minded idiot,

actually im not a counsellor im just a citizen of the world who has encountered many things and im on a  journey of self discovery and understanding to make sense of this world we live in. 

if your partner knows and sees things differntly (as most whites do because they are beneficiaries of the inequitable way the world is set up) then you have two choices: either you stay with her and accept that you're going to have to compromise your views and start looking at the world through "a white lens":


http://abagond./2009/11/13/the-white-lens/

or be true to yourself and try and find someone who shares some of your views which i can tell you from experience is not easy because as i said earlier many blacks have been brainwashed into thinking like whites.

About history, many questions are still unanswered and there's plenty of material available on the internet. Ther western media, sublime attitudes are also ever present (would detail later but the hate and focus given to emasculating a whole people shocks the living daylights out me)

hmm well its a good thing at least that you can see that something is wrong - many of our people think thats just the way things are supposed to be.

The way i look at it is "my people" centered, i believe we should relive the past, present and prepare for the future.

i agree reliving the past is important because it helps us understand truly what our ancestors went through at the hands of the whites it is a useful form of education, our people think that education is just about acquiring letters after their name and being subservient to whites, many of us have education which has robbed us of our ability to think critically, of what use is education if you cant use it to change your condition?
i think we should educate ourselves into what happened in the past and learn from it  as the past will help us  make sense of the present and enable us to change the future.

Look at this piece just as a simple appetizer

http://burya-yaga.ru/mp3/mp3.php?u=Oi8vZW4ud2lraXBlZGlhLm9yZy93aWtpL090YV9CZW5nYQ%3D%3D&b=5,

yeah - its terrible but unfortunately africans have been subjected to even worse - america and europe's history is founded on genocide, exploitation and dehumanisation of african people - we will continue to be burdened by this terrible legacy until  we develop self pride and rise up as a unified people and emancipate ourselves mentally and economically.

@ poster

i came across this link which you might find useful - it identifies emotional abuse and many of the incidents you raise in your initial post are identified here, the link explains why some men abuse their partners and how to deal with it.

hope its of some help:


An abusive partner will railroad discussions, so that you don't have time to think about what's right and what's wrong in their behavior.
Take a moment to consider these questions.  Your partner might have behaved as though these things were okay, even though it's obvious that they aren't okay, :

Do you feel that you can't discuss with your partner what is bothering you?

Does your partner frequently criticize you, humiliate you, or undermine your self-esteem?

Does your partner ridicule you for expressing yourself?

Does your partner isolate you from friends, family or groups?

Does your partner limit your access to work, money or material resources?

Has your partner ever stolen from you?  Or run up debts for you to handle?

Does your relationship swing back and forth between a lot of emotional distance and being very close?

Have you ever felt obligated to have sex, just to avoid an argument about it?

Do you sometimes feel trapped in the relationship?

Has your partner ever thrown away your belongings, destroyed objects or threatened pets?

Are you afraid of your partner?

http://www.lilaclane.com/relationships/emotional-abuse/

@tink_sh is this your first relationship with a nigerian man? if yes i think you should read some of the comments on this site:

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/nigeria/T6MAVH1UFMVFA7K69

i agree with @RSA the british are known worldwide for their racism and hypocrisy, so what if Zuma decides he wants to marry 20 wives - if this is permissible in his culture why should it become their problem, the british are not in a position to question anyones moral standing because their country is one of the most morally bankrupt countries in the western world, why dont they focus on the fact that they have the highest number of teenage mothers in western europe, or that so many of their youth carry STD's because of how immoral their society is, its currently so bad here that they are currently running an STD prevention campaign where they actually BRIBE young people with booze in order to come forward for testing.  Chlamydia (an STD with no symptoms) almost rose to epidemic levels amongst young people btwn the ages of  18-25 to the extent that the govt had to launch a massive awareness campaign directed at this particular group which is ongoing.    Remember that this is also a country where marriage is now becoming more of a novelty as opposed to a norm, data published by the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007, 44.4 per cent of live births were outside marriage in this country - IMAGINE that almost 50% of children being born in this country are born OUTSIDE marriage - what does that tell you about where the british are headed?

so i think you can see that these people should be more concerned about the moral collapse of their decadent society rather than trying to demonise a man who openly admits to being a polygamist.

this story is so pathetic on so many levels,  i dont think it is salvageable because he has betrayed you in so many ways, in addition he is extremely abusive to you which i think is due to his extremely low self esteem.  he doesnt know how to relate to you in anyother way than an abusive one, if you continue to put up with it you will end up in a mental institution.  His aim is to crush your spirit, people only change if they are compelled to change, in this instance he will not change because you continue to live with the abuse, the more you make room for the abuse the more it escalates it never gets better.  you owe it to yourself and your daughter to accept that this marriage is not working and make a fresh start without him.  Fortunately you are hardworking and you have your own money therefore you do not have to live under these type of circumstances, take your daughter away from this toxic environment before you scar her for life, this is not a healthy environment in which to raise a child.  

If you leave and he comes after  you then you will know that he may be serious about changing his ways but if he doesnt - its his loss, move on, there is more to life than living under this sham of a marriage.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=410183.msg5686611#msg5686611 date=1268506172]kindly focus on her music and leave who or what she identifies with out of the matter.

and stop projecting your personal insecurities on her.


her mother is white- what's so unusual about her socializing with white people when she was growing up.

did john fashanu not do the same? And did you never hear of unmixed black people who were adopted and also grew up and socialized exclusively with whites.


as per her choice of partners- the father of her child is a black jamaican man, i assume, so what are you going on about?


there are plenty of nigerian/african women who arent mixed, were born and raised in nigeria/africa and who only date white men, so quit moaning over Sade's relationships.

there are countless black men too who only date whites.[/quote]hello dimwit it appears that reading and comprehension are not your forte so ill try and keep this as simple as possible for you - many people on here appear to want to claim Sade as one of their own for the simple fact that she happened to be born in nigeria, however nationality is not solely a matter of looking at one's birthplace it goes far beyond that and this is why i referred to the environment in which she was raised in, the people she dates and her preferences, i also noted that despite showing a prefernce for white guys in the past she had her daughter with a black guy, i brought up the nationality of the guys she  dates as this usually is a reflection of who a person prefers to identify with and how they percieve their own identity.  For you to jump on me with your ridiculous claim that i am reflecting my insecurities on Sade as an individual gives me an indication of how utterly braindead you are, you know absolutely nothing about me and therefore to make such a claim  means that you are either retarded or psychotic or probably both.  I am in no way attacking Sade's choice of partners nor am i criticising the environment that she was brought up in i am merely pointing  out facts which are obvious to most people with a grain of intelligence which of course excludes you.  I will say it again - this time very slowly so that maybe, just maybe it might sink in this time,  based on Sade's upbringing and socialisation Sade is a british artist NOT a nigerian artist comprende (or may be not)

here are some recent pics of sade trying to avoid the paparazzi - so down to earth and unassuming who would beleive that she's worth an estimated £40m - she comes across as so ordinary and down to earth.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1257610/Sade-displays-youthful-looks-dresses-glamorous-magazine-cover-hits-shelves.html

boy i cant beleive people on here are getting worked up over Sade's heritage, Sade in my honest opinion IS regarded on the international music scene as a british and NOT nigerian artist, however she does recognise her nigerian heritage.  the thing is she was not brought up in nigeria neither was she socialised in a nigerian environment eg nigerian blood relatives, from age 4 upwards her entire life was spent around white family members therefore in my view she isnt really a nigerian person as she has neither spent time around nigerians, learnt the culture or been exposed to the nigerian way of life.  this is further demonstrated by her choice of partners who have nearly always been 99.9% non black and non nigerian (apart from the father of her daughter who is Jamaican) therefore to my mind Sade is really more of a british woman than a nigerian woman. 

i know we like to claim people who are doing well in life - who doesnt? but the reality is Sade is known and recognised around the world NOT as an international nigerian artist but as a british one, I think you have to remember that to appeal to an international audience you have to have commercial appeal which means be appealing to a mainly white consumer market as they are the ones who constitute a larger chunk of the market and that means looking and sounding more like them in terms of physical appearance, lyrics,etc  this is why certain black artists do "better" commercially ie make more money than more "traditional" black artists for example mariah carey, beyonce, rihanna have more of a cross over appeal ie whites prefer their look and sound because they are closer to what whites perceive as beauty and talent moreso than say estelle, india arie or jennifer hudson - its unfortunate but thats the way the fickle music industry works,  anyway i digressed there, i still think Sade is great though but she is a british artist not a nigerian artist - my two cents.

@poster first of all id like to ask this - did he behave in the way that you described BEFORE you two got married? if yes why did you go ahead with the marriage?

since you are now married and have a child you now have to look at solutions - if everything you've said is true - he is not behaving like someone who is interested in keeping up his own end of the contract, marriage is NOT a one way agreement it involves TWO parties who BOTH have their parts to play, it doesnt sound like he wants to or knows how to play his own part, since a child is involved your best bet is to try talking first to see if any of the problems you have mentioned can be resolved.

i dont think it is right for a woman to stay in a marriage suffering and smiling all because of what people will say - beleive me you will be worse off in the long run if you continue to allow him to treat you like a doormat.  Try talking to him or get any close relatives who mean well to talk to him. 

You say you are from a rich family - if that is the case cant you get your family to help you get back on your feet so that you can be financially independent and not have to be treated in this manner?

finally as i said above talk - divorce or seperation should be the last resort once every other avenue has been exhausted.

eterpete:
Hv thrown myself at history in recent years and my findings are shocking. Even more shocking is the ever so present attitudes especially of european centered peoples- press, education etc

you dont actually say what it is you've discovered about european people that has awakened this feeling in you, what are the shocking things that youve discovered?

can't go into details now but i think i'm on the way to dumping this oyibo girl wey i get. anybody fit do wetin hin wan do but some of us hv to go crazy and think about the future- we've got to do something about the kids, you dnt want tthem to end up like us, the idiots we get as leaders, adults, elders continue to drag us in the mud!!!

have you spoken to your partner about how you feel and the deep resentment that you are beginning to have about her people and culture, i would advise you to talk to her about how you feel, many whites are totally ignorant of their own history and the devastating effect that it has had on other cultures.

i just feel i get to be with one of my sisters and not work for oyibo girl, wetin yu tink? i knw few of us hv any sense of the past or present beyond trying to survive. we seem to hv simply replaced old extreme sensibilities wth "western" inspired islam and or christianity. the traditional guys can't also get there acts together SHAMBLES!

of course it is good to be with one of your own provided both of you have a similar outlook on life, however there are many blacks who are eurocentric in their thinking too, so dont jump to the conclusion that because a person is black they will share your afrocentric outlook on life.

Sky Blue:
genuine apology if you feel offended, but I just can't be bothered educating you if you are genuinely not being mischevious for the sake of it. Mandela, MLK, Ghandi, please go read up on history. The fact that I do not respond to you is more to do with me not wanting to go into a futile debate. No need to dodge the issue. You want violence you go start it. If not you are much lazier and more docile than those who even have the courage to protest. So please, stop being a hypocrite and stop embarassing yourself.

haha, you, educate me - thats a joke 

okay let me educate you because its obvious you dont understand anything about any of the above named people  - Mandela did not use peaceful protests to overthrow the racist apatheid regime - the struggle to overthrow aparthied involved: mass mobilisation, armed struggle an underground movement and international solidarity - all of these elements combined to topple aparthied which was a formidable structure backed by many powerful superpowers including britain, israel and america.

Ghandi - again you have displayed your ignorance - Ghandi was humiliated in south africa when he was not allowed to sit in the first class section of a train despite having a valid ticket simply because he was indian as a result he vowed to fight injustice wherever he came across it, i doubt that you have read anything about him and just blurt out his name in ignorance, no doubt you have not heard of one of the very first resistance movements that he formed known as satyagrahis - which means force borne out of truth and love - he also stated the following: "A satyagrahi bids good-bye to fear," therefore for you to mention him as if he didnt understand the inevitability of challenging tyranny with force displays how little you know about him.

MLK possibly was the only leader who tried to use non violent means to bring about change but discovered belatedly that there was only so much he could achieve with it, the white establishment understood that he was no threat to the status quo as long as he kept preaching non violence, MLK and a few other black leaders were actually paid to keep the black masses from rioting, the whites in a bid to control the movement infiltrated it with informants which weakened it.  eventually MLK himself became dissillusioned with the movement and started openly criticising american foreign policy which resulted in him being assassinated.

after his death the white establishment paid off members of his organisation by giving them big jobs and positions in society and introducing minor changes like affirmative action, however the status quo remains intact with many blacks in america still occupying the bottom rung of the social ladder.

[quote author=omo~fat link=topic=411562.msg5675052#msg5675052 date=1268349708]You must understand that the IBB must go era was a different one.[/quote]what planet are you living on?

please explain to me how the IBB era is different from where we are now?  

didnt obasanjo invite the IMF and World Bank in to nigeria to privatise the entire public sector, didnt he agree to impose austerity measures on the nigerian populace in accordance with their instructions just like his predecessor IBB did in the 80's - didnt obasanjo handover the baton to Yaradua with instructions to carry on with these measures which are making the lives of ordinary nigerians hell on earth?

For better or for worse, we now operate a democracy - even if only a fragile one. We can use all the elements and resources at our disposal to put pressure on these folks. Like someone asked you earlier, how many of the reps have you called or written to? - did you vote?

a democracy is a system of govt for the people controlled by the people - if you are seriously telling me that the nigerian people have any control over their current govt then you deserve to be placed in a secure unit as you are in an advanced state of clinical psychosis.

You think those guys in abuja suddenly decided to swear goodluck in just because they suddenly liked his face? - it was pressure my brother. International pressure, people protesting, journalists writing articles, lawyers filing supreme court cases, the combination of all those things together brought change, throw in strike actions where necessary, mass mobilisations and things will change,

i am inclined to agree with you partially on this one but not entirely, yes Jonathan was forced in but the question you should ask yourself is why?  i can tell you now that it had nothing to do with any of the reasons you set out above - i have said it before and i will say it again the west do not have nigeria's interest at heart and their intentions towards us has not changed since the days of slavery, they are imperialists they are only interested in going where they can gain.  i believe yaradua was forced out in order to make way for a more malleable leader someone weaker - someone like jonathan - the question you should ask yourself is this - why is it that no-one has set eyes on yaradua since his alleged return to nigeria over 2 weeks ago? 

However, if you want to lead an armed insurrection, why not lead from the front ? - instead of yapping on nairaland. talk is cheap, show us how its done please.

since you havent got the balls to even advocate let alone take up armed insurrection prepare yourself, your children and your grandchildren for another 200 years of bondage and suffering as that is what the nigerian kleptocrats have in store for us.

Sky Blue:
I am saying I have more respect for people who actually put their money where there mouth is. You have more chances of achieving a goal when you try and zero chances when you don't. I could actually address your comments why I think peaceful protests can be a very effective tool, but (no offence intended), I genuinely believe it would be a wasted effort. All I am saying is, if you think violence is the way forward, at least have the guts to act on it, or does your conviction not go beyond pontification? I am just saying, enough talking, it isn't "deep" because most of it has all been said before. What has brought the country to its knees has not just been dictatorships and a corrupt system, the docile citizenry has done worse.

And keep "proferring" your solutions. I would take a dreamer who has the courage to work to realise his dreams than a talker anyday.

so nigeria's docile citizenry are part of the current problem? well, if you know this why are you advocating peaceful protest?  If our docility has enabled the nigerian elite to take us for a ride for so long - is it peaceful protest that will make them treat us with more respect?  

the fact that you are terrified of looking at the situation for what it is speaks volumes about what sort of person you are.  

the reason that you cant come up with any constructive argument to back your bogus claim that non violent protest works is for the simple reason that it doesnt work, you have not been able to name any situation anywhere in the world where peaceful protest has worked, even in so called civilised societies violence is always used in order to force the hand of govt, look at Greece which is currently in a state of economic meltdown - do you think the greeks are sitting around talking about peaceful protest - no they are revolting and in some instances they have resorted to violent protests in order to let their govt know that they will not take the current hardships that they are being subjected to lying down.

Sky Blue:
Pressure from both the international community (UK and US) and internally, as well as the threat of instability was one of the major factors that caused the legislature to grant Johnathan Power and also curbed Turai's excesses.

the fact that the US and the UK applied this pressure should arouse doubt in your mind not lull you in to the false sense of security that you are in because both of those countries have a hidden agenda towards nigeria - are you seriously trying to say that the US and UK care about nigeria's progress?  
for your information their interest is restricted to protecting the oil wells and the revenue it generates, nothing more.  
I beleive they know more about Yaradua's dissapearance than they are letting on.

This pressure was as a result of exposure and heightened awareness of the problem brought about by protests from people like SNG with the backing of some prominent Nigerians. The SNG rally yesterday has now brought to light the fact that Johnathan apparently sent an unedited Uwais report to the house and we can quote his aide on that. Those guys have done more than a lot of people. All I am saying is instead of all the discussions, try an original approach for once people, do something. You think violence is the answer? Then go ahead and lead the way, but please stop boring us with talks of how it should be done.

the idea that pressure was brought to bear on the nigerian govt as a result of the SNG rally is laughable - if the nigerian govt thought that they were a threat they would all be languishing in kirikiri by now, the SNG are no threat to the nigerian govt.   Only a nigerian would be dismissive about a violent overthrow of  a govt which for the past 50 years has been  responsible for causing so much misery and suffering to its own people .  Had the iranians adopted your mindset i doubt that they would have succeeded in overthrowing the corrupt US backed shah of iran in 1979.

Enough of being the talker, try to be the doer. It is always amusing when you hear Nigerians complain that they have "tried other means". It is quite irritating when peope us "we" anyhow, as if they were par of some collective that actually did something beyond talking. What other means have you tried please? How many protests have you been on? How many times have you called your rep? Did you vote? Spare us the sermons please. If we could get one million people on the street backed by some strike action, that would be the beginning of something special.

you are a dreamer, if you think a peaceful protest will jog the consciences of these murderers you are deluded - name any peaceful protest in the world that has brought about real change.

strike action? tell me how this will work in a country with mass unemployment, dont you understand that it is easier to bribe people when there's mass poverty, if a worker decides to join a strike action the govt will simply  replace the person with someone who has been unemployed for 5 years thereby defeating the whole objective, strikes cant work in a country like nigeria where there is so much poverty as there are too many desperate people who just want to be allowed to eat three square meals a day.  People in nigeria need to put aside ethnic differences and unite against this common enemy - this is the only way out.

i read some of the comments on here and i know now that we are doomed - future generations to come are doomed, there is no way out of this mess until we understand that only WE can control our own destiny, not some imaginary fairy tale god.  

things are set to get worse in nigeria, the elite have sold us out lock stock and barell to the west, we must understand that we are now a nation of slaves, peaceful process is NOT the way forward, why would the nigerian govt want to give up their position willingly, why would they willingly let go of power, i have never heard of anyone in a position of power voluntarily giving it up without being forced to do so.

kosovo i agree with you, peaceful protest is a complete and utter waste of time especially in a country like nigeria where life is cheap , you only have to look at how these vagabonds in power dealt ferociously with the indigenes of Odi and other parts of the niger delta to know that we are dealing with bloodthirsty animals.  having said that, negotiation with these people is futile, see how willingly they agreed to enter into dialogue with MEND because of how those boys were crippling their oil production levels,  the price of a barrel of oil at the height of the MEND sabotages rose to $150 and resulted in the nigerian govt losing $1billion a month in revenue -  as you can imagine Yaradua and his cronies were desperate to put a stop to this situation  - this goes to show you that violence is the only way to secure justice.  there is no other nation on this earth that has acheived anything progressive without resorting to violence.  the other thing i beleive is that these marches may have been orchestrated and controlled by the nigerian govt in order to give the impression that they(the nigerian govt) are a fair and democratic govt which permits dissenting voices, i simply cant accept that the nigerian govt would readily allow protest marches unless they were privy to how it was to be organised.