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there are two types of nigerians that live in the UK - the middle class ones who were already educated in nigeria and came here either to further their education and hopefully get a better job than what they had back home and  the uneducated ones who were experiencing extreme hardship back home and thought the UK would be the answer to their prayers of a better life.  

one thing i can say categorically is both groups experience the same sense of isolation, rejection, alienation and racism - the thing many on here are not focusing on is the fact that whites do not want us here in the first place, with or without british passport, resident permit whatever you want to call it.

people are trying to make out that living in the UK is a bed of roses - i have lived here for 12 years and i can tell you for a fact that this country is extremely racist but its done in such a subtle way that unless you understand the system you wont immediately detect it.  

this country practices what is known as institutionalised racism whereby british society is set up in such a way that it deliberately favours its own (white) people with regard to employment, education, housing and even health care whilst deliberately treating less favourably minority ethnic (black) people.  

everyone is talkign about how nigeria is lacking this or lacking that - whose responsibility is it to change things?  how do you think the british came to have such a great empire and develop their country to what it is today.  even as we speak british owned shell bp is in nigeria exploiting our natural resources and making millions in profit but if you try and to go to shell's head office here in london do you think they will give you a job there as a cleaner?

guys please lets wake up, the poster was right in pointing out that there is no place like home and that we need to start thinking about nigeria in terms of our final destination, im not advocating immediate relocation but there needs to be a gradual relocation, we need to start thinking in terms of what we can contribute to make the country a better place for future generations, all the knowledge and work experience gained here could be channelled back into our own economies rather than wasted in a country where majority of the people see us as unwanted visitors.  

the UK's treatment of blacks is especially shoddy - it is no coincidence that many black men here in the UK do not have good jobs even the "so called educated" ones, i work in local government and i know the daily stresses and hassles of constantly having to work twice as hard as a white person simply because i am a foreigner and should be grateful for even having a job.

blacks make up the majority of the underclass in the UK and that has nothing to do with their lack of ability but due to the above mentioned institutionalised racism , these policies are created in order to keep blacks down and ensure that whites retain economic power and position in society, i have worked in places where my bosses are less qualified educationally but earn twice my salary  simply because they are white, there is no sane person who will see or experience this and be happy particularly when you have a country which is rich and has the potential to offer you more out of life.  

in as much as nigeria is the way it is at least you are accorded the respect that you deserve from colleagues, in the UK you should see how so called black managers are spoken to by subordinates, i have witnessed black managers being victimised, bullied and in some cases hounded out of their jobs because of racism, something which would be unheard of in nigeria, so those of you singing the praises of this country please take off those rose tinted glasses and stop living in fantasy world.

the poster has a point!! but many are too blind to understand.

people on here are looking only at the short terms "gains" of living in the UK.  

despite all that is wrong with our country it is your home and you are not treated less than - and before anyone starts talking about tribalism please dont even try to compare that to racism as there is no comparison.

to people on here talking about being able to eat chicken and chips you are pathetic - thats a bit like a slave saying at least eating three square meals a day is preferable to freedom.

if we want things to change it is up to us to go back and change it, the british people whose country your in are raping our own country in collusion with the hausa fulani oligarchy, every progressive race of people have taken their destiny into their own hands and tried to change things for future generations.  

the problem with us is we are a nation of cowards, we have no sense of dignity, self pride or willingness to change our circumstances and therefore we are content to live in another mans land where we are nothing but glorified servants.  i dont care what type of job you're doing in the UK at the end of the day you are treated with contempt by the average white person.  now that the recession is hitting you will see the true face of racism in this country, at least the jamaicans and indians actually fought for equality and have made more of a contribution, nigerians are not liked or even welcomed in this country, so those of you deluding yourselves that this country is a better option should pray and hope that the BNP never gain power in this country.

citizenY:
@CAP28

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I cannot thatnk you enough.
i never really gave much thought to this post. Our folk in the diaspora
may never be relied upon to defend us. They have already been
compromised either by their environment or greed. Some of them have
grudges against the country. That is not to say tha, especially those on
self imposed asylum.

This is not a sweeping generalisation and I seek the forgiveness of all who
are not so inclined.

Just imagine this lady on youtube and these are the sorts encouraging guys
to join Africom for the exprience. Dem say na greedy fly dey follow dead body
enter grave.

Those who wish Nigeria bad and see joining Africam to spite us will see the light
when they are deployed only to Afghanistan. They may never see service in
Africa. They will be cannon fodder there. Maybe after service you can become
a soldier of fortune, which has no prospects here!!!!!

@citizen Y you are more than welcome, dont mind some of these our people who are walking around with blindfolds covering their eyes, it is greed and selfishness that will kill us in this country, where have you seen a nation of people so quick to switch sides because of a few pieces of silver, look at african americans who helped whites fight their war of independence and their civil war - what happened to them? were they not still kept in bondage after sacrificing their lives for the whites, even after the american civil war african americans were still forced to live under a segregated system until 1965 when they forced whites to give them the right to vote. now nigerians want to come and play a game which is way out of their league.

all the americans are doing now is using igbos against their fellow nigerians purely for their own selfish economic interest and still there are people on here talking about joining the US army as a "good career move" - you have to laugh - this is why i say speak to those who went before you and they will tell you their stories, african americans have lived all their lives around whites and they know them inside out, therefore any warning that they give you should be heeded not ridiculed, but our people think they know it all, in a bid to make what they see as easy money they will end up paying a higher price.

Kobojunkie:
@Cap28, there are people like you and there are people who have their brains and are able to think outside of the BLACK IS ALL I AM box filled with CONSPIRACY THEORIES. Turns out some Ibos signed up for the program and are now enjoying a career in the US army, as well as citizenship in the US Army. I happen to have met one, and the dude boasts each day of how he is better and more motivated than I am as a result. An old college friend of mine in Lagos, who just quit his job at diamond bank is set to fly out soon to join the army for training.

I hate to break it to you, but I prefer to continue on the path that I have known to work well for me rather than subscribing to some MUMBO JUMBO theory of how THE WORLD IS ALWAYS WATCHING ME ME ME AND OUT TO GET ME ME ME!!! That has never really worked for anyone till date.

@kobojunkie you have not rebutted any of the issues that i raised instead you have fallen back on that tired old defence of "conspiracy theories" im actually quite amazed that you live in the US and you are still blind as to what is going on around you - i dont live in the US but i know more about the country than you do!!!

okay let me break it down - just because i am aware of what is going on around me doesnt mean that all i think about is "being black" as you put it, the reality is that the whites DO have an agenda which is diametrically opposed to the progress of blacks, maybe if you had been beaten, bitten by police dogs, brutalised by racist white police officers and spat on maybe you might just understand or maybe if you had participated in the freedom rides, bussings and marches of the civil rights era, i just might have been able to get through to you, or maybe, just maybe if you had been a victim of the FBI's COINTELPRO programme to "neutralise" militant blacks in america a glimmer of understanding might have appeared in your befuddled mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

are you aware that the very "freedoms"that you take forgranted today in the US were fought for courageously by african americans 150 years after the so called emancipation of blacks ? these are the kind of freedoms which you dont even enjoy in your own country - nigeria, and which you have not even had the courage to fight for, so please, dont even come with all this conspiracy crap it doesnt wash with me.

just because some misguided greedy igbos have jumped at what they see as a chance in a lifetime doesnt mean that its a good idea, maybe this your diamond bank friend might want to speak to some african american vietnam and gulf war 1 war veterans to find out just how wonderful the US army is. maybe when he hears about the high suicide rate, depression and homicides committed by veterans he might begin to think twice. it is actually on record that 1/4 of vietnam war casualties were african american as they were deliberately used as cannon fodder,it is also a well known fact that US war veterans suffer high incidences of unemployment due to the complete mental breakdown that many face as a result of post traumatic stress disorder. it is also a well known fact that the US army targets blacks and hispanics for recruitment as many are from poor backgrounds and are looking for a way out of the poverty trap, what these recruits dont know is that 9/10 times they are posted to the war front as they are seen as expendable and the ones who do survive come back unable to be rehabilitated back into society due to a complete and total shattering of their minds - hows that for a fantastic career move.

like i said you have not come up with any argument to rebut any of the issues i raised therefore how can you dismiss them as mumbo jumbo, i can equally accuse you of being a misguided,clueless follower because you have no substantive reason for disagreeing with what i have said.

bidemi12:
@Kobojunkie Tell am!! What freaks me out more is his definition of cluster bomb. I laugh i wan die

@bidemi12 pray tell can we have your definition of a cluster bomb

@ kobojunkie reading some of your comments makes for depressing reading. why would any grown up supposedly informed person with access to information dismiss africom as "black supremacist propaganda" it shows a total lack of understanding of american foreign policy.

Cynthia Mckinney who was a US presidential nominee in last years elections campaigned specifically on this issue, she was the ONLY US presidential candidate who was not afraid to speak out against the dangers that this project would bring to africa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDGOMY4gNVQ

your analysis of how countries are well within their rights to act for their own selfish economic interests fails to recognise that we live in an interdependent world, and that selfish actions spawn hatred, resentment and a desire for revenge which ultimately leads to war and world wide instability.

also your argument is fundamentally flawed because the US DOES work collectivey and cooperatively when it chooses to eg: its relationship with G8 countries is based on cooperation and unity against less developed countries in order to exploit and coerce weaker nations into bending to their will or face political or economic sanctions (zimbabwe, cuba, north korea, libya (now lifted), burma, venezuela)or even military attack (iraq, panama, somalia)

can you clarify this point for me- are you justifying and defending the west's ongoing use of tyranny againsts third world countries by way of economic sanctions, war and ultimately recolonisation?

if you are then that would mean that you are also justifying other tactics used by the US like "pre emptive attacks against iraq, afghanistan and probably v soon iran - are you aware that these attacks are capable of leading us into a third world war.

lets go back a bit - please confirm whether the following also qualify as justifiable self interest activities:

the US's genocide of the native indians in america, the british genocide of the aboriginals in canada,australia, new zealand and tasmania, europe's enslavement and colonisation of african people.

finallly if the US are successul in locating AFRICOM in various countries around africa - will you be okay with them deploying the use of cluster bombs (land mines), napalm and white phosphorous on civilian populations in nigeria (as this is what they are currently using in iraq and afghanistan with terrible long term consequences- birth defects, cancer, high infant mortality rate)

cluster bombs do not explode immediately upon contact with the ground they explode only when picked up (usually by children as they are usually brightly coloured and look like toys) or disturbed by animals, if fragments from these bombs are breathed in they stay in your system for a long time causing internal bleeding until all your organs are destroyed - they have been declared illegal by the Geneva Convention but the US is as we all know not subject to international law and does as it pleases.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-10-cluster-bomb-cover_x.htm

Bravesfc:
@ Cap28

Dont miss the content for the context. that is very important when discussing issues of this nature. Also read my previous post and the thread initiator's post, then do not react but digest and you will never miss the content of any discuss.

About your belief in rebellion, I do not disagree with you but read the 4th paragraph of my post starting from the 3rd sentence, beginning on line 3.

here is the paragraph you refer to:

World Economy Domination Warfare is a mandatory game that every country must play. You either get involved and evolve or revolt and get resolved. (It intrigues me when I see South Africa dominate in west Africa and Nigeria sits sulking.  it actually makes me laugh in disgust ). You do not win in this game by being simply heady or confrontational else you will be muscled out, you must also combine good sense, with strategies and generational, long term, monitored planning that does not lose focus even when dancing with the enemy. You must be ready to give some to gain some. The moment you refuse to concede some, you will lose more.

the problem with the above analysis is that it assumes that nigeria is a full fledged nation state which actually sits at the table of western countries as an EQUAL negotiating on issues which serve the best interest of its people  - im afraid that you will be sorely disappointed to learn that this is not the case.  we are not yet in that position, we dont actually make our own decisions - we take instructions from stronger and more dominant nations like the G8.  why else would we continue to sign up to IMF and other neo liberal economic reform policies which have only increased the suffering and poverty of our people. 

are you telling me that nigerian economists are unaware of the effects that Structural adjustment programmes have on the living standards and conditions of ordinary nigerians, are they unaware that cuts in public expenditure lead to mass unemployment, cuts in social services lead to poor health care services, cuts in educational expenditure lead to poor standards of education, privatisation of public utility services leads to astronomical increase in electricity bills,  of course they are aware but due to their greed and lack of concern for their own people they agree to dismantle their own economies and create an economic environment favourable to foreign multinational businesses but completely unfavourable to the well being of their own people. 

On your second area of concern, you will become clear when you read my previous post. I can at this point play that I do not get your point just to rile you up further or I can miscue it and go along with the talk of "THEY DONT CARE" to engage you in a long winding talk of why I believe they care but I wont. My point in that paragragh is that Nigerian and other nations' leaders losing out in this international games are at a loss as to what their priority should be. Attending Harvard, Yale or UCLA will not teach you that, it will only provide you the legend for navigating the map for playing the game, you have to piece the landmarks together and navigate to your desired location. Note that the same map, with same legend will produce a different roadmap for different users but will lead them to the same destination. Once you dont know where you are or where you are meant to be, then the map becomes useless in your "head". Now! what the losing nations need to do is elect leaders with proven records of reformative goals on the local level and you will start seeing a positive progression. ( evidence is in your post about mahmoud ahmadinejad )

i find it difficult to accept that our politicians are at a loss "as to what their priorities should be" as you say - on the contrary i would say that they are well aware of what their priorities should be hence their continued deception and misleading of the nigerian  public with censored and misleading news stories like the one referred to by the poster in order to keep nigerians in the dark.    i would say the problem is their total and complete moral bankruptcy, these people are, for want of a better description sociopaths - they have no conscience and if you have no conscience you can go to bed and sleep very soundly at night knowing that most of your fellow citizens are living in the most appalling grinding poverty whereas you have over £20b (in the case of babangida) stashed away in various european and american bank accounts.  its that simple!!! it takes a certain type of person to have that mindset and i would say that 99% of nigerian politicians think in that way.  it never crosses their minds that they are doing anything wrong - there is no momentary twinge of conscience infact many of them quite confidently march into churches/mosques totally oblivious of how evil and monstrous they are. if you doubt my analysis explain to me why babangida and other members of the old brigade STILL shamelessly flaunt their stolen wealth and even go as far as declaring further interest in running for political office despite the trail of destruction, misery and suffering  that they have left in their wake. 

the reason i mentioned that some nigerian politicans have attended elite institutions is to indicate that they should and im sure do have a greater understanding and grasp of world politics having seen it from an international perspective as oppposed to someone educated solely in nigeria whose understanding and knowledge of international politics will be much more limited.  prior to indian independence in 1947 many members of their  ruling elite were educated in oxford and cambridge, however upon return to their native country they used their knowledge to challenge and eventually overthrow the oppressive british rule that they were subject to.

About the last comment. That was just my opinion on appreciating their application of acquired knowledge, to which I also appreciate you sharing yours too. Its not a point to disagree about, afterall, we are talking about a game here. There is no love or hate in sport, the winner always takes the trophy. A realization of this by our leaders will hasten our developments and they will recruit, promote laws and rules to play to win always. Remember fair play in football, If a man beats you, shake his hand at the end of the game, then go back, regroup and return to score a win at the next meet. Life is such that there is always a return leg, either you play or your children will play.

again i beg to differ - politics should not be treated like a game of football where one day you win and the next you concede defeat to your opponent, politics involves making decisions which affect human lives, if you have people in power who are morally bankrupt their actions can have long term devastating effects on the lives of innocent people, its because of poor leadership that we have a decline in the standard of education an increase in deaths from easily treatable diseases, high unemployment, high crime rate and  destabilisation and fragmentation of the family. 

im sure you'll agree that these are not trivial issues.

Bravesfc:
@Beaf
Everytime the talk of liberation from domination by a stronger nation comes to the fore, the first reaction is usually from the human emotional reasoning which tends to always lean towards acts and response of rebellion. This always sounds good and appear as the ultimate solution but life has also always taugth us that only the path of diplomatic response would determine the end results . So, while we must maintain our emotional puffs, it must not becloud our diplomatic judgements. Infact, our emotion is the fuel to drive our diplomatic abilities which are the only weapons allowed in this world economy domination warfare.

no, thats not true rebellion CAN work it depends on the people, diplomacy should be used as a last resort where your opponent has the upper hand.

the problem for us as nigerians is that we are not UNITED, we need to stand together to face down the common enemy - consider the case of oil rich iran they were under the rule of a despotic western puppet - the shah of iran ,but in 1979 the people rose up and overthrew him after 38 years in power.  before the overthrow, the shah had used all manner of ways to put down dissident groups including a repressive secret police known as SAVAK who killed thousands of people.  this, howver did not stop the uprising in fact the country became more unstable and eventually when the shah realised that the opposition he faced was overwhelming he voluntarily stepped down and went into exile.  in addition ,the student wing of the revolutionary movement  (which included the current iranian president mahmoud ahmadinejad) held american diplomats hostage in the US embassy in order to negotiate  the return to iran of the shah  to face  human rights abuse, embezzlement and corruption charges, these hostages were used as a bartering chip between iran and america and as a result america was forced to transfer over £20b stolen by the shah and deposited in europe and america.

do you think nigerians would be capable of outwitting the west in that way?

therefore revolution can work - but it very much depends on the people being UNITED against a common enemy if not it is doomed to fail.

The ONLY reason why the "so called" developed countries have been able to continually dominate the "so called" less developed ones is because they have learnt the rules of the game. Like I said earlier, this battle for economic survival is all a game, and I must repeat that we are yet to produce leaders who understand the rules, not to mention the experience to navigate the different challenging scenarios it presents. Evidence is why an American president would lead an invasion of another sovereign nation on false evidence and not even be accused of war crimes while the president of a small nation seeking to achieve same dominance would get sentenced for a similar crime.

i disagree our leaders understand the "rules of the game" as you put it, the problem is many of them are not interested in the progress of their people or country , as i said above many are puppets and if you are a puppet  you are powerless to challenge your master, remember that challenging a more powerful master comes with a very stiff penalty attached - usually death or exile which many nigerian leaders definitely dont want.  they prefer to feather their own nests and sell their people out to foreigners in exchange many of them are guaranteed life presidencies or stupendous wealth.our nigerian leaders have economists some of them trained at elite european or american institutions in govt, didnt obasanjo have a harvard trained economist in his cabinet who even worked for the world bank ? i cant remember her name

so they are well aware of the damage being inflicted on their countries economies but THEY DONT CARE.

america can get away with the invasion of a soveriegn country under false pretexts because it is a military superpower - no one dares to stand up to america - only so called enemies of america who have nuclear weapons are safe from attack eg russia, china, north korea - at least during the cold war era, the soviet union acted as a counter balance to america's imperialist ambitions but now, knowing that it is the worlds only superpower it embarks on "preemptive attacks" against countries which are militarily weaker  in order to expand its empire.

I dont care who got Obama elected. Whoever they are; deserve medals of honor and truly understand the game of World Economy Domination Warfare. They are real visioners. Maybe Nigeria will get it right someday but not while we still believe applying quota system to everything, especially human resource management in governance. I am afraid to say we are still playing the game at the naiveity level while competing with seasoned professionals.

Obama's backers do not have the interest of africa or any part of the third world at heart, many of them are billionaire megalomaniacs who have a certain vision of how the world should be run.  they refer to this vision as a new world order where they regard themselves as masters of the universe, non white people particularly blacks are regarded as "useless dependants" (see former US  national security adviser henry kissinger's famous memo NSSM 200) whose numbers need to be reduced through either radical depopulation measures (war, famine, disease) they also beleive in a world where multi national businesses should be allowed to  exploit,dominate and in many cases hijack the sovereignty of  so called third world countries  they beleive in war (especially in the third world) because many of them are multinational arms dealers (lockheed martin, british aerospace) and they make huge profits from selling arms to third world countries, some are clothes/leisure wear manufacturers like (Gap,nike)  they love countries where they can exploit people who are desperately poor and who they can pay starvation wages like  indonesia, india, brazil, thailand and haiti. or oil companies (chevron, shell, exxon mobil ) where they can extract oil from countries under puppet leadership at rock bottom prices (nigeria) and still reap huge profits  - so i wouldnt be too hasty in praising them especially if i were on the receiving end of their activities.

@rossike thanks for this post, at last the voice of reason - someone who actually UNDERSTANDS what is going on. 

i can't count the no of arguments that i have had with people on NL about the fact that our lack of development is rooted in continuous external interference from the west.  my view is that nigeria remains a client state to the west and continues to operate in accordance with instructions dictated by the same imperialists who colonised us. 

my beleif is that many nigerians do not understand the way in which international politics works and underestimate the cunning and deceit of the west. 

Kwame Nkrumah first coined the term neo colonialism as he recognised as early as the 1960's  the west's desire to extend their reign of oppression and subjugation over us by using puppet leaders,  note that since african countries gained their supposed independence they have lurched from one catastrophe to the next, it is no coincidence that as soon as  a progressive leader who tries to institute progressive economic reforms gains power he is immediately eliminated by the west : Lumumba of congo, Sankara of burkina Fasso and replaced with a corrupt but docile, malleable puppet.

take a look at south america which has suffered the same fate :

Arbenz of Guatemala - ousted by way of US backed coup d etat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobo_Arbenz_Guzm%C3%A1n

Allende of Chile - ousted by way of US backed coup d etat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

Aristide of Haiti - ousted by US backed coup

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Haiti/Aristide&Bodyguard_DN.html

Zelaya of Honduras

http://www.voltairenet.org/article161647.html

omar torrijos of panama - assassinated by CIA

http://www.voltairenet.org/article161647.html

all of the above south american presidents tried to institute progressive economic reforms which were not in accordance with what you have referred to as the washington consensus (IMF, world bank economic reforms) in the case of people like allende, arbenz and torrijos they blatantly refused to sign away the rights of the people and country to predatory US foreign investors and destructive "economic reforms".  torrijos refused to reverse a treaty which granted his people sovereignty over the panama canal as a result he paid with his life, allende the same, arbenz had to go into exile and aristide was kidnapped and deported to congo.   

do we have these kind of self less leaders in nigeria - absolutely not - this is why it has been particularly easy for our country to be pillaged by these western criminals. 

i agree that we need a complete overhaul of our mentality - we need a revival of pan africanism - nasser of egypt introduced pan arabism in the 1950's and this is what enabled egypt to regain its dignity, self respect and economic development. 

i am totally in agreement with you with regard to obama, again the west have played a fast one on not only africans but african americans although i think the latter are beginning to realise that he is a complete fraud. 

Obama is front man for a powerful elite - he was recruited by Zbigniew brzezinski (former national security adviser under carter) as far back as the 1980's when he(obama) was an undergraduate at columbia university. also i hear henry kissinger (mass murderer and war criminal) gave him his first job, btw kissinger is one of his "confidantes" on foreign affairs (not a good sign) he is also a member of the council on foreign relations (CFR) an organisation comprising the most powerful elements of the ruling elite in america -its members are mainly former US presidents, billionaires, CEO's of multinational corporations, politicians,academics and media moguls- they control and influence political and economic policy and their goal is the continued economic and political subjugation of african countries and other so called third world nations - these people are extremely powerful but above all extremely dangerous and not to be underestimated.  i think this is why our docile african puppets tread very softly when they are dealing with the west, but come down on their own people like a ton of bricks in order to show their loyalty to their masters.

the problem for us is how do we rid ourselves of these criminals? its difficult because they are continuing to stockpile weapons from their western masters in order to put down any potential resistance.

MandingoII:
are you sure you live in the U.K.?

yes, why do you ask

the viper:
@cap28, seriously i mean u are the nearest thing to dumbness. your sick attempt at humor is making u look sicker. for GOdsake why are u finding it difficult in letting it sink into your thick skull that me and u musnt do the same thing. u can pick a nigerian dog for a wife for all i care. i dont want to get into war of words with u as it is not called for. so if u are pained by my "favela" wife,why not take a rope and go hang urself.its obvious from your warped thinking that in nigeria,women doesnt marry because of money again. like i said,u can come give my dogs ass a kiss if u think that i disrespeced "your sisters" by not marrying one of them. i will not marry a nigerian woman even if am offered one for free. i will rather remain sigle. u still got more pains.
and then i see alot of ashawo ngwa roads throwing in some side talks.u better hold your peace that way.

hey viper looks like youre about to have a nervous breakdown, i know the truth is bitter isnt it

oh now i understand why you opted for a brazilian woman  its  because you couldnt AFFORD to marry one from nigeria - i should have guessed - why didnt you say so instead of all that crap about brazilian and venezuelan women being better looking, you couldnt afford to pay a nigerian woman's bride price, so  you opted for the world's no 1  sex tourism destination to find a (common law) wife, that makes perfect sense.  i dont know about you but if i were looking for a wife i wouldnt go to a country where prostitution is the no 1 export.  

by the way what makes you such a great catch - let me see: your wonderful command of the english language - no,  your outstanding intellect - no,

you sound quite crude and uneducated so i can see why you would fit in very well in the brazilian favelas - speaking of ngwa road ashawos the last time i checked thats what i heard your sisters were doing in order to raise money to pay their school fees - you might want to take on some more graveyard shift jobs in order to supplement their hard earned income, maybe you could try applying for a job as a houseboy in the white neighbourhoods!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

the viper:
@cap28 and @chic2pimp, let me drop the last word before i move on.first my dear cap28,u sound too much like a woman scorned and that is affecting both your attitude ,thinking and vision. it is within the ambit of my fight to marry or befriend anybody from anywhere without coming to explain myself to u or any1 at that. u are niether my mon nor my relative. there was no where in my post that i said anything offensive to nigerian or african women. rather,i praised their beauties from cape to cairo as i have seen them and done it with them. if u think that not marrying a nigerian girl means disrespecting them,then am inclined to think that u need to have your head really examined as u are getting everything twisted. so a yoruba man who decides to marry an igbo girl is disrespecting or insulting his sisters and vice versa? u know sometimes in our attempts to push our unwanted opinions to the fore,u turn ourselves into big jokes,and that is what u have done here. for your info,u dont even know anything about me and i have seen more women in my life time than u have seen ewedu and amala. i know what formed my choice. assuming that am not attached,your pleas, coercions and beggings would have earned u that single link that is missing in your life, husband. like i said initially (b4 both of u went after me like bush went after saddam),i have great respect for my DEAR MAMA,cos she is the rock that steadies my life. if my mom gat no problems with my choice,then who the fu, k are u twats to question it. finally,if u really wants to know why i made and eventually stuck to my choice of woman,then give me your email add and i will send u something that will make your day. not the wifey though. this is btw me and u. (i mean cap28 not the other ode)

@viper you are sorely mistaken im actually a bloke but i stick up for my sistas at every turn because i know just how much they are disrespected by "men" like you.  

first of all why would anyone in their right mind be concerned about your "choices" the world is full of much more interesting people, i can see that i have obviously touched a nerve and maybe that might be a good thing, if you did indeed love and respect "your dear mama" you would not openly boast about the supposed beauty of other women of other races and place them above your own despite  having a full blooded african mother and sisters.  i can only imagine the kind of role model that you will be for any unfortunate dark skinned children that you propose bringing into this world.  

your "dear mama" cannot be that much of a rock if her beauty is not the standard used by you in your selection of women.

i tell you what would really make my day though - you actually being able to get a job and moving out of the favelas into a "white neighbourhood".
have a lovely day!!!!

the viper:
@cap28,u have finally shown how gross and lopsided that your brain is. Habana is the capital of Cuba and not in brazil and i think that all these crap u have written comes from goggling too much and getting nothing in return. ak47- carrying is not akin to brazilians alone,in nigeria the warris carry the same. as for the caste system and the rung where black men are place in brazil,am sorry,bt read and learn more. in nigeria,does something similar to that exists.? look my pop made his choice on an anambra woman,i made my choice on a foreign woman,matter closes. and there is very little that either u or anyone can do about it. and to show how myopic and desprate that u are,u are harping on brazil when my post made mention of other countries. i never disrespected nigerian women as that will amount to disrespecting my mom. bt marry from whereever i found love and comfort is personal and i want u to see that and respect it. so u think that marrying a nigerian or igbo girl will make my marriage a sure success? so in your wild estimate,all brazilians are married to brazilian women.caralho.

@viper my brain is neither gross nor lopsided - im merely pointing out the painful truth which "brothas" like you hate to hear.  okay so youre not in cuba, who cares? you're still in south america which has one of the most segragated caste systems ever operated outside europe and america where being black (dark skinned) means being a second class citizen which you no doubt have accepted as your lot in life hence your decision to live and marry someone from over there, to be honest nobody cares, but what many black people do care about is when you start to disrespect black women which is what you did in your earlier post , we are not all self hating black people like you, some of us want and desire to be with our own in order to propagate our own race because we understand that we live in a world where black people are under attack from the white establishment, but i fear most of this will not be getting through to you as its too deep for your level of understanding.

by all means carry on in your delusional state, im sure life is hard enough for you living as an unemployed foreigner in a dirty favela in a brazilian ghetto so i wont make it harder for you - hope your "marriage" works out!!!

the viper:
@chic2monkey or whatever, i will be happy if u drop the cursing and swearing. i never cursed u. that world means na waaa for u. so dont bring your yoruba curses here. i may not be a yoruba man,bt i speak fluent yoruba. u know , most of u folks have this cave mentality and no matter where u go,it always follows u about.emancipate urself from this kind of mentality plz (ala Bob Marley)

this viper guy really cracks me up - hes quoting bob marley "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" when he has declared to the world that he finds other nationalities of women more attractive than his own african women despite having a full blooded nigerian mother and sisters, jesus talk about hypocrisy.

viper - you are the mentally enslaved one okay cos you look at your own women with contempt and other women (with european features) as the ideal, confusion reigns supreme in your little mind.

the viper:
@chic2pimp nwanne odikwara gi egwu. do u need to clap for me? am i not entitled to my own choice again? what kind of asstray comment was that. men,take your clapping to the chimps.
@capsomething, have u lost your damned mind, must my mother look like a south america woman? didnt u see the post where i wrote about the beauty of african women? plz, if i choose a south american girl,i believe that it is a choice that u will do very well in respecting.

@viper i should be asking you whether you have lost your damned mind seeing as you dont see anything wrong with putting a completely different race of women before your own as if your own mother is not a black african woman, if your father had said, hey no offence sorry babes but im not into naija chicks would you be on this website blogging today, no you'd probably be on some dilapidated favela in the hovels of havana (sorry habana!!!!!) carrying an ak47 and engaging in gun fights with the local brazilian police!!!!! you get my drift!!! you need to show some respect for your women, i can guarantee you that the brazilian men that you are trying to rub shoulders with do not place other nationalities of women above their own,  brazil operates a caste system with dark skinned black men like you placed at the bottom of society so you should show some level of intelligence and understand that love for self is paramount, respect your african queens because your mother is/was one.

the viper:
now let me take u on a trip to the continent that i have seen women looking like the sun goddeses. that place is called south america. as a newly married couple,the last mistake u will make is to take your honey- moon to brazil. these girls are so beautiful that even a rev father may be tempted. ever wondered why venezuelan women kept winning the miss universe thing? then take a peep into bogota,the colombian capital or habana (called havana for the uninitiated). the problem is that even the black skinned women from these countries are very beautiful. with long and curly hairs. 90% of our guys who live in south america are married to their women or have kids with them. i have no problem with nija women,i know a lot of them are beautiful (they should cut down on the nni ewu that they always carry on their heads),bt i dont do nija women and that is not a crime or disrespect to them. just that it wont work out for us.

oh yeah forgot to add viper link - i doubt that you will be missed by nigerian women seeing as you have such ingrained self hatred - i hear blacks (dark skinned ones) like you , are on the lowest rung of society in brazil doing all the menial jobs and being treated worse than slaves despite making up over 50% of the population - so god knows you must be having it really rough out there.  

the question you need to ask yourself is this: why do i hate myself so much that i put people who look completely different from myself on a pedestal whereas these people who i worship, disrespect and loathe me.  ive actually heard african american and  black british women say that they will not have children with african men because they are too dark and have typical african features, why then do you worship these people?

the viper:
now let me take u on a trip to the continent that i have seen women looking like the sun goddeses. that place is called south america. as a newly married couple,the last mistake u will make is to take your honey- moon to brazil. these girls are so beautiful that even a rev father may be tempted. ever wondered why venezuelan women kept winning the miss universe thing? then take a peep into bogota,the colombian capital or habana (called havana for the uninitiated). the problem is that even the black skinned women from these countries are very beautiful. with long and curly hairs. 90% of our guys who live in south america are married to their women or have kids with them. i have no problem with nija women,i know a lot of them are beautiful (they should cut down on the nni ewu that they always carry on their heads),bt i dont do nija women and that is not a crime or disrespect to them. just that it wont work out for us.[b][/b]

wow !!! so uplifting for african women who are battling with the daily negative propaganda that is being fed to them by the white owned media, can i ask you a question - are your sisters "south american" looking and does your mother look south american as well, will you mind if a fellow nigerian guy doesnt find your sisters attractive because they dont look south american -  just a thought!!!! LOL

chic2pimp:
You are a bloody bastard. Anoufia

Where in post have you seen me yab african women. Ewu ara.

Billy he-goat will you shuush your crazy mouth. Omo rada rada
Exactly. I bet the guys yabbing her aren't even fine boiz themselves .

NENE1 The girl on the far right(1st pic) is looking lush.

chic to love-vendor - your name really suits you as you sound exactly like a love-vendor - please learn to express yourself  coherently.

of course you "yabbed" african women as you failed to come to their defence, do you not have sisters, neices or even a mother, would you like it if they were described as ugly and less than women of other races/nationalities - or maybe you are one of those guys who is filled with so much self hatred that you dont care how female members of your own family are treated.

also next time when you want to exchange insults do so in grammatical intelligible english - okay!!!!

nene1:
thank god at least there are still some african men who see the beauty in their own women. you are right. i don't see african women putting other men above their own. i know i love african men. even if i feel other men (like african americans) are better looking. i would always defend african men and say they are good looking as well. i know a lot of men here would be upset if african women started saying african american  men look better and they do. but you always see posts about how so and so women look better than african women, especially west african women. but i rarely see african women make posts about how other men are better looking or better in general. most of us appreicate our men more than they tend to appreciate us. but not all of them of course like you. your response was very genuine and honest.

nene1 dont sweat the small stuff, you are a good looking african woman, if your own african man cant/wont appreciate your beauty but instead prefer to put outisders above his own women then my advice is treat him in exactly the same way, get yourself a WHITE MAN,  white men adore black women  and a lot of them treat black women a hundred times better than the so called nigerian men, my sis has been married to a swiss guy for over 15 years and she couldnt be happier - they have two adorable kids and they have a wonderful lifestyle.  i think nigerian women are very loyal, infact too loyal , you guys need to explore men of other races and discover what it feels like to be respected, loved and placed on a pedestal, please ditch these loosers if they are not coming correct,

nobody was put on this earth to suffer, i could post a million and one pics of extremely good looking african american men that the best looking nigerian men would not be capable of holding a candle to but i wont - not just yet!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

chic2pimp:
Look @ you. Do you own them? Abegii jare. _*Nonsense*

you're an idiot - first of all dont you know you should be putting your own women on a pedestal - do other races of men put outsiders above their own women - fool!!!

come to think of it african american men (most definitely) and even a lot of white men are better looking than nigerian men but i doubt that our women would be rubbing it in our faces

dim wit be grateful that our women even give us the time of day

ive just read through some of the profiles and it makes depressing reading - this sort of thing is what drives our black babes into the arms of white guys - i think we need to show them more respect and love - we need to understand that we are at war with the white establishment - but to diss our women will only achieve the aim of our enemy which is destabilisation of our people, i doubt that somali men are having similar arguments about the "beauty" of nigerian women.

guys please, fix up!!!

im curious why is it that nigerian men are so besotted by "exotic" women from other countries

i dont see this with men of other nationalities?