₦airaland Forum

here is a link of a radio interview btwn harold smith and a bbc journalist which took place in 2007 - reference is made to two files covering what went on in the run up to nigeria's period of independence - the files are held in the british archives in london - these files remain classified for another 50 years. when the investigator of this programme made an application to view the contents of both files under the freedom of information of act the application was refused.

this clearly indicates that the british are hiding something.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/aug2007/nige-a09.shtml

texazzpete:
See why i insist you learn how to read before you reply me? Where did i say that Nigeria's problems are 'solely rooted in a corrupt ruling class'?
You conspiracy theorists always amuse me, always keen to voice absurd arguments with no solid facts tendered. Oya, how has NIgeria been 'plundered and pillaged by the west with the help of Northerners' since Independence? Show me!

what planet have you been living on since nigeria gained its so called independence, okay let me break it down for you this whole independence thing was simply a mirage, it was a trick used by the british to hoodwink us into beleiving that we would now be allowed to run our own affairs , the reality was slightly different, the northerners were given the political power plus the military might which would enable them retain their hold on power, it is no coincidence that the northerners outnumber southerners in the nigerian army this was done intentionally because the british knew that at some point the southerners would realise that they had been cheated and try to do something about it, but the bottom line is whoever controls the military controls the country which in this case is the north.  therefore what we have had since independence is a northern oligarchy in control with a military dominated by the north. 

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/aug2007/nige-a09.shtml

so from the brits point of view it was a win win situation their stooges (hausa fulani oligarchy) would call the shots  irrespective of who was in power (military or civilian)

your statements indicate that you do not understand the history of the country - its an absolute no brainer to say that nigeria is run by a northern corrupt elite.

what you need to be aware of is that this corrupt cabal works IN COLLUSION with the west - they buy arms from them in order to perpetuate themselves in power and deter any uprising, just recently Obama approved an INCREASE in funding towards training and arming various african armies , nigeria being one of them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14131

oh and by the way a US engineering firm KBR (owned by former US vice president dick cheney) offerred bribes totalling $402m to nigerian officials in order to secure an inflated liquified natural gas contract valued at a staggering USD$6b among many others - but maybe thats just absurd!!!

http://www.allbusiness.com/company-activities-management/company-structures-ownership/12268226-1.html

texazzpete:
You need to learn how to read. I never gave you any reason to believe i'm full of optimism about Nigeria. All i've said is we Nigerians are to blame for our misfortunes, not any former colonial master

Nah. Everyone knows that green aliens from Mars control everything.

/sarcasm

@texazzpete i think you are the one in need of an education are you unaware of the role that the british play and still play in this country to date, are you unaware of the collusion between the northern oligarchy and the british or is that something that is too complex for you to deal with and understand, in order to change a situation you have to first of all understand what the problem is, it is simplistic to think that nigeria's problems are solely rooted in a corrupt ruling class with no external influences, stop burying your head in the sand and wake up, nigeria is an oil rich nation and for years it has been plundered and pillaged by the west with the help of your northern brothers.

also stop referring to Obama as if he has anything constructive to offer africa by way of advice - he is a puppet and mouthpiece of the same corrupt western powers who have been exploiting us for years. if he is so interested in nigeria doing for itself why are he and his cronies selling millions of dollars worth of arms to the murderous northern oligarchy to slaughter their own people, please open YOUR eyes.

texazzpete:
I don't give a damn about what this old man has to say. Today is Independence day, Nigeria is 49.
It's 49 years since our destiny was given into our own hands. Instead of whining about 'atrocities', why don't we use this period to ask ourselves what we have done in that period to improve our lot?
No matter what claims anyone makes, we cannot have endured a harrowing experience like the Chinese did under colonialism and Japanese occupation. Look where they are now!

Remember Obama's speech. There comes a time when we need to SHUT UP about colonialism and focus on what we can do for ourselves.
If, on indepencence day of all days, you cannot see this simple truth that we are accountable for our issues, then i'm sincerely sorry for Nigeria and Nigerians.


Happy Oct 1st everyone.

we have not yet taken control of our own destiny as the british are still running this country indirectly through their northern stooges.

nigeria cannot move forward until this problem of the hausa fulani olilgarchy is addressed - you cannot even begin to think of being in control of your own destiny if a puppet elite is dictating the pace under instructions from the west, therefore the first obstacle is how to overcome this problem.

you talk about the chinese now being great, thats true but they actually fought to rid themselves of their corrupt leaders and defend themselves from japanese occupation, maybe we need a wake up call like that, many of us are blinded by greed and selfishness and refuse to see the bigger picture, great nations can only be built under a united front - i dont think we are there yet.

Billygoat:
Hey, not to worry there, Cap28. America's time is done and it is rapidly turning into a third world shit hole. All the good jobs went overseas, car makers are going broke, Banks are going broke, Obama is turning into the black George Bush.

All Bush policys being continued. Wiretaps on US citizens, war still going on, Gitmo still going strong, OH, Wait, No more torture, right? Yeah, we still do renditions. That mean we send our torture overseas like our industry.

Black people in USA no better off now than before dis big attorney save us from Bush. He talk so sweet nobody listen to what he say.

yeah i know what you mean, i think black people the world over have been hoodwinked into beleiving that Obama will actually bring about change, the truth of the matter is that he is merely a puppet, a front man for the real power brokers who definitely do not have the interest of the poor and minorities at heart. You only have to look at members of his cabinet to see what his administration's agenda is - his chief of staff rahm emmanuel is a staunch zionist who supported preemptive strikes against iraq under bush, emmanuel is also a former investment banker(gives you an idea as to where his loyalties lie) , also vice president joe biden is another staunch supporter of the continuation of the war in iraq, other appointees served under the clinton administration and instigated much of the economic crisis that we're dealing with now.

Even his policies seem to be morphing into his predecessor's ie no withdrawal date for troops in iraq and afghanistan, healthcare - favouring private insurance companies over universal health care system.

i think he won mainly because of the black and hispanic vote, and the disilusionment about the state of the economy by white america.

on a positive note at least he has made history. i like the fact that at least he's married to a black woman and didnt sell out in that respect but with regard to policies its become clearer whose side he's really on.

obama is an intelligent man and he must have known the score before he took the job so i can only assume that the reason he took the job in the first place was to go down in history as the first (and probably only) african american president. the last US president who tried to bring about positive change (removal of troops from vietnam, disbanding of the CIA, enfranchisement of blacks, removal of the federal reserve's powers ) was jfk and despite being a member of the elite was still eliminated.

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This is all a moot point anyway. There's absolutely NO CHANCE that you'll see serving US Forces fighting in the Niger Delta. And Certainly not possible under the Obama administration.

i dont agree with this - the americans are showing a renewed interest in africa because their oil supplies from the middle east are set to decline in the next 5 years - nigeria and angola are now being looked at as replacement suppliers,  africom is being set up in order to ensure oil installations are adequately safeguarded which really means getting rid of dissident groups who try to interfere with oil production, in the case of nigeria its already kicked off with the americans supplying millions of dollars worh of arms and training to nigeria.   The americans would prefer not to deploy their own  soldiers to the niger delta region HOWEVER if it becomes necessary they will, this policy is an extension of the carter doctrine created under jimmy carter's administration in the 1980's - it states that  america will use military force if necessary in order to "protect their national interests" (nigeria's  oil).

why do you think things would be any different under obama - Obama has INCREASED funding for AFRICOM since he took over , he is a puppet and cannot deviate from Bush's agenda. 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14131

Even if the Nigerian government hires Private millitary companies (which often contains ex-servicemen), these PMC are usually deployed defensively. Even in Iraq, not even Blackwater was used for offensive purposes.

yes but they (blackwater) committed a lot of atrocities over in iraq, do we really want to see a repeat of these sort of incidents in nigeria?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe3DQ295P6E0

I have no issue with PMCs being consulted for surveillance purposes. If we spend untold billions of Naira to payoff millitants for Amnesty purposes, [b]why the hell would any patriotic Nigerian support continued sabotage and destruction of oil installations?

surveillance purposes - you must be having a laugh - mercenaries arent used for surveillance purposes, the nigerian military just bought unmanned drone intelligence planes from Israel and malaysia surely that should cover the surveillance element?

http://www.nigerdeltarising.org/article/2009/09/12/nigerian-government-preparing-imminent-military-offensive-delta

is it that you dont appreciate what MEND is doing? do you prefer the murderous Yaradua and his crew to continue in their plunder and pillage of nigeria?

why would any patriotic nigerian support a repressive murderous dictatorship who is spending millions of dollars on sophisticated weaponry which is to be used to KILL its own people who are simply asking for a more equitable distribution of the oil revenue.

if anything i think it will be completely unpatriotic to support such a perverse agenda, this is not going to end well for nigerians.

SapeleGuy:
They don't need to come to achieve those things, it is far more efficient for them to do things by proxy.

so how do you explain africom?

also this is an american insider's analysis:

http://www.nigerdeltarising.org/article/2009/09/14/us-military-involvement-nigeria

SapeleGuy:
texazzpete - the marines wouldn't come to the niger delta because it would be an unwinnable war.

Marine, Rangers, Special Forces or Withdrawal, Retreat, Tactical Defeat. The distinctions being made are irrelevant defeat by every other name is still defeat. They didn't achieve their objective against a weaker enemy which equates to 'disastrous defeat.

oh they'll come - why wouldnt they come, what have they got to lose?  they need the oil and they've been looking for an excuse to destabilise nigeria by announcing that the country is due to split up in 2015 ,just the way they destabilised Sudan in order to gain a foothold so i dont think we should be too quick in dismissing this arrangement that they may or may not have made with Yar adua.

further evidence that the political instability in africa is orchestrated by external forces


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VxnCBD9W4&eurl=

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=293187.msg4619041#msg4619041 date=1254040426]Guess what. . . . I SAW THE DOCUMENTARY TOOOO!!

You people are such disgracing jokers!
The useless harphazard documentary without any solid basis or evidence but the senseless ramblings of a hungry bored retiree claiming to have done everything but overthrowing the white house. What a joke!

The documentary was obviously fabricated and acted out for shallow minded conspiracy theorists so it can appeal to their deluded minds.

From what I can read here, its obvious it worked. Money in the bank for the actors $$$ $$$$You are an illiterate. Typical lazy africans blaming the west for EVERYTHING.

Is it the west that marginalised the people of dafur and south sudn before they decided to take up arms? I'm sure its britain that caused all the christian vs muslim religious riots in nigeria. Infact Gordon brown is the major financer of the boko haram movement that wreaked havoc recently in nigeria.

The nigerian federal government has neglected the niger delta for decades under instruction from the white house now they've turned to militancy lets crucify the white house.

All conflicts in africa are caused by the west. . .geez, what a retard![/quote]Tudor there is something seriously wrong with you only a fool would attack something without giving reasons as to why,  have you been able to refute any of the things mentioned in the above posts with substantial coherent arguments ?  no, all you have done is prove just how ignorant you are with verbal abuse and unecessary ranting.

let me try and educate you - the west's relationship with africa has always been about maximising their economic self interest and nothing more, this dates back to the slavery era the bottom line has always been money and power, they are not the benevolent loving people that you in your ignorant mindset think they are.  i can see just how easy it would be for them to outwit someone like you, in your naive blind state you take everything they tell you on face value but in the world of realpolitiks only the cunning, sly and ruthless survive.  I would recommend that you read more, maybe you could start with machiavelli the prince this may introduce some level of critical reasoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli

if the documentary that you refer to is the same one that i watched it was no fabrication - the CIA agent in question is John Stockwell and he has written many books detailing his experiences in africa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stockwell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VxnCBD9W4&eurl=

http://www.archive.org/details/AV_048-JOHN_STOCKWELL_AND_THE_CIA-PART_III


Tudor do yourself a favour try reading more, knowledge is power.

Lwandle:
TUDOR is a perfect example of the type of African the WEST wants to see in power!! They will use high sounding words like DEMOCRASY RULE of LAW to get such ignorant ass kissing african puppets into power.

Self-hating with a dibilating inferiority complex completely brainwashed who religiously repeats and believes all the nonsense spouted by his masters! He is in the same league as the Savimbis' Mobutus and Dlakamas of this world!

These are the type of africans we must ensure never get any where near to power

very true, however its really difficult, becaue the CIA are allocated billions of dollars by the US govt specifically for destabilising governments that are perceived as a threat to the US's "interests" so what you have is huge sums of money being offered to africans who are more than willing to jump at the chance to make money and sell their own people out. 

i  watched a documentary the other day about an ex CIA agent who talked about how he "groomed" Savimbi and prepared him for his role, you could see from his analysis of africa that he didnt see africans as equals and he referred to african countries with puppet leaders as "client states"  they were trained, and financed by the whites and then put into power by way of military coups.  he also talked about mobutu and how "invaluable" his services were to the CIA.  he said that the CIA preferred using people of questionable moral character eg Idi Amin, Noriega of Panama (drug dealer and CIA agent), Saddam Hussein, the Shah of Iran, Marcos of the Phillipines, Suharto of Indonesia and so many others too numerous to mention.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=293187.msg4614315#msg4614315 date=1253963525]When people make ridiculous shortsighted statements as this I honestly begin to question their sanity. . . .what a pity.[/quote]its your sanity that should be in question - what's wrong with Lwandle's statement?

mugabe, gadaffi and ahmadinejad of iran are the only non white leaders who have the balls to stand up to these western tyrants

morpheus24:
@ Kobojunkie

I think you should stick to Nigerian political affairs as you are not quite versed with subject matters concerning "South Africa". Everything Cap 28 mentioned is absolutely and unequivocally accurate based on pure rational and very little sentiment.

if it is not obvious to you the negative campaign agenda geared towards the ANC government please open up your eyes.

All the problems that are being experienced right now in SA were there before the ANC took power and were shielded from the former rulling class only to be magnified now as issues that have arised because of majority black rule.

On this one You score 0 points.

thank you my brother this kobojunkie is completely finished

i just love mugabe he knows how to give it back to these hypocritical idiots

unfortunately there are still many among us who are living in a state of self delusion:

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=293187.msg4588490#msg4588490 date=1253601093]No to human rights abuse!!
No to election rigging!!
No to tyrrany!![/quote]human rights abuse - you mean like the ongoing human rights abuse  that america is committing in iraq and afghanistan and how about zionist racist israel's illegal occupation of palestine?

election rigging - george bush and his brother jeb bush know all about that

tyranny - what do you think british imperialism and now american imperialism is all about

Kobojunkie:
Can we please stop playing this game of SENTIMENTS and deal with reality? Apartheid has nothing to do with this. Mbeki was president back in 2003. There was a move to hand over most of the high positions to black south africans. I happen to have been in the country then, and listened to fellow Nigerians express their fears of what might potentially happen if the government continued down that path without ensuring it was not a racially motivated move on their part.

this is the problem i have with black people who are consumed with self hatred - this country was almost destroyed by whites who saw nothing wrong with their disgusting aparthied regime and you a "black person" have the nerve to dismiss the years of trauma that these people suffered saying "stop playing a game of sentiments" would you be saying that if you were forced to live through this or lost loved ones through this?  

We are dealing with reality and the reality is that the days of white tyranny were numbered and they had to go in order to avoid mass bloodshed.  If the blacks subsequently decided to run the country into the ground (which they have not done) that would have been their prerogative as it is their country, however to say that whites should have been allowed to stay because the blacks are incapable of managing their own affairs is to subscribe to the lowest form of self hatred i have ever come across. you then wonder why whites treat you like a retarded animal when you try to exercise self determination.

those nigerians expressing their fears of what might happen why dont they go back to nigeria and fight to free their own country from the tyranny of the hausa fulani oligarchy and stop making nuisances of themselves in other peoples countries.

everything about whites is "racially motivated" and if you havent recognised that fact up till now then you are beyond help.  

was apartheid not "racially motivated" how did a small white minority exclude 80% of its indigenous population from its own land.

you need to wake up and stop thinking like a slave.

Kobojunkie:
The downturn in South Africa, you see today, started when the whites and indians in the population, in the name of healing decided to give up control to the blacks who make up the majority in the country. All the above makes no sense to the average South African who right now sees that since 2003, things have not been the same in that country.

what are you talking about - white south africans didnt just DECIDE TO GIVE UP CONTROL TO BLACKS IN THE NAME OF HEALING -  BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS FOUGHT BITTERLY TO RETRIEVE THEIR LAND AND THEIR FREEDOM, something that we in Nigeria are yet to do.  Was Mandela on an extended holiday on Robben Island!!!

No white man gives anything of value up to anyone without a fight

you think the whites would just hand over a country like south africa rich in diamonds, agricultural land and minerals - come on!!

The so called downturn which i would rather call a backlash against the white apartheid structure is a natural reaction from an aggreived people who beleive that change is not happening fast enough and by change i mean change that benefits the vast black population which is still living in poverty.  When the whites realised that their evil apartheid system was unsustainable they brokered a deal which would guarantee them the right to hold onto the economic reins of power with blacks taking political control, but things are changing gradually and the white  strangledhold on the economy is being loosened much to their despair.  

in a bid to discredit the great people of this country the whites continue to launch massive negative propaganda campaigns in order to paint the black politicans as failures.  Rome was not built in a day, there is massive inequality in that country caused by these evil racists which needs to be redressed and that cannot be done overnigtht.  whole generations of blacks who were fighting to free themselves from this evil system need to be rehabilitated and this takes time, so yes there's crime, the US has the highest crime rate in the world,
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
the world's highest consumer of illegal drugs (cocaine)  it also has the highest incarceration rate and it is one of the few remaining western countries which still impose the death penalty despite becoming an independent nation in 1776 - therefore if we can be tolerant of america's shortcomings why cant we do the same with south africa which is still recovering from the white imposed trauma of apartheid.

yoruba:
Correction: whites make up 11%, coloreds 5%, indians/asians 4%, blacks 80%.
but reading from your comment I see that you have a good insight of South Africa. The Bantu Education System imposed by the whites was there to make black people educated enough to become only housemaids and gardeners. This system and the economical separation is the root of the social ills that black South Africans are suffering today, apartheid caused black people to become mentally and physically oppressed even today. This oppression is similar to countries like Brazil and Russia(even some areas in the US were black people reside i.e ghettoes) which also have high crime levels.

This is a sad situation and it could take generations to recover from.

correction taken - i hear that the coloured population - mixture of black south africans and whites HATE black south africans and are  used by whites for divide and rule purposes, apparently they never voted ANC when blacks regained political control - instead they alligned themselves to the whites and voted for the minority nationalist party.

brazil is a racially segregated society - the darker your skin - the lower down on the social scale you will be placed.  despite blacks making up over half of its 160 m population blacks are almost totally  absent from positions of power - from all levels of government, from congress, senate, the judiciary, the higher ranks of the civil service and the armed forces instead power is in the hands of the whites.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/719134.stm

the chickens have come home to roost, what did the whites expect?  this is what is known as blowback - you put in place one of the most heinous systems known to man - apartheid and then you think there wont be any long term consequences?  nobody is talking about the years of brutality blacks were subjected to under apartheid - Alan Patton's widow talks about one of the root causes being the inequitable educational system implemented under the Bantu Education Act which deliberately gave blacks an inferior education - Yes absolutely, i would like to know how whites would have reacted had they been dispossessed in their own country for over 100 years, would they be willing to forgive and forget the way they are expecting blacks to do?  whites committed a lot of atrocities against blacks but very few of the perpetrators were ever brought to justice? how would this make you feel if you were on the receiving end of all of this, surely your heart would be filled with nothing but hatred for whites?  

now because the tables have turned whites want reconciliation but had blacks not fought to rid themselves of apartheid the whites would have been happy to carry on in their oppression of blacks, so i have no sympathy for the whites, everywhere they go in the world they leave a trail of death and destruction because they are not peace loving people, they provoked all the hatred that they are now receiving from blacks, its unfortunate that elderly white women are victims of this mayhem but that is what happens when evil is awakened - no non white race who has been subjugated by whites has come away unscathed.  i say to a lot of nigerians who are posting on here criticising the crime level, count yourself lucky that the whites never decided to settle permanently  in nigeria and dispossess you of your land and impose an apartheid system on you, would  you be so forgiving if in the country of your forefathers you could not own land and were forced to live on a reservation? under apartheid whites made up only 5% of the population but appropriated 87% of the land and forced blacks who made up 95%of the population to live in filthy, crime ridden townships or arid reservations.

something tells me that if this had happened in nigeria - a lot of people on here would have been responding differently.

Gadaffi - currently the only African head of state who has the guts to stand up to the west tells them exactly what he thinks of their hypocrisy.

i think he is to be commended - can you imagine any other african leader speaking out in this way.  interestingly he is the only african leader to date who has succeeded in receiving compensation from europe  USD$6b(Italy) for atrocities committed against his people during colonialism. 

He definitely deserves to be leading the African Union - he is a shining light amongst a dead toxic mass of morally bankrupt  african leaders which the west love to support. 

Libya has one of the highest standards of living in africa, which is commendable given that the country was quite poor as recently as the 1950's, the people of that country live well and are not forced to live as (unwanted) economic refugees all over the world.  The western media try to demonise him because he speaks the truth but unlike the despotic tyrants that they finance and perpetuate in power, he is a man of genuine vision and love for africa and its people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/23/gaddafi-un-speech

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Gaddafi_blasts_big_powers_in_first_U_N_speech.html?siteSect=143&sid=11259762&cKey=1253731974000&ty=ti

MandingoII:
It is not just Nigerians.  Everybody outside of the U.S. and Europe WHO HAVE BEEN BOMBARDED WITH AMERICAN MEDIA [/b]wants to live the "so-called American lifestyle"



[b]Unfortunately, when they get here and get settled into the "rat race" they find that it was NOT what they thought it would be, YET, a HELLUVA lot bettter than where they came from.

Its a catch 22.

and YES America did all those things Cap 22 posted.

The ONLY REASON America did not aid in COLONIZING Africa was because America had its own problems with taking the American Indians land and the African American situation.

@mandingo II i agree the american media is a formidable propaganda machine - i think this is why many americans are so ignorant - they completely buy into the fairy stories that are churned out by all their outlets of misinformation - i think the worst culprit is fox whose main objective is not to inform but to mislead and misinform.  Also media outlets like BET are doing a terrible job as they serve only to corrupt and pollute  the minds of our black youth.  When was the last time you watched anything remotely educational on that channel.  I thing that they are singlehandedly colluding with white america to keep blacks ignorant by churning out programmes that are light on substance and heavy on garbage.  i think a channel who aims not to educate blacks but simply keep them constantly titillated is doing a gross disservice to future generations. 

the worst thing about it is ive noticed that the nigerian channels are falling over themselves to emulate this garbage with non stop mimicking of african american videos (BEN,AIT) and tacky substance free reality shows (Koko mansion)

at the time europe was colonising africa (1800's) - america and europe's relationship was regulated by the monroe doctrine which prevented europe and america from invading each others territories. the doctrine stipulated that any encroachment by europe into american territory would be regarded as an act of aggression and vice versa.   i think now britain and america are in the process of forming an anglo american alliance whose main aim is to create a one world government with america as the senior partner running the show.

africa's constant destabilisation in which it lurches from one major crisis to another can be credited to external interference from the west.

here is an interview from an ex CIA agent who throws a lot of light on some of the covert activities he was involved in, whilst working as a CIA agent in africa and other parts of the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqzc8KiU0o&feature=PlayList&p=F05E533CBF98E3C6&index=0&playnext=1

author=Tayo-D link=topic=323158.msg4587854#msg4587854 date=1253581078]
@cap28,
I will not waste my time cataloguing again your very unfortunate posts.  It is there for everyone to see. Repeating those racist statements is sure to make me sick to my stomach.  Unrepentant race-baiters like you do so for many reasons.  Chief amongst them is to provide a ready excuse for your failure in matters of life and career.  With so many race-baiters like you out there, it becomes acceptable to blame your failures on the White man.  People like us are a threat to you becuase we provide adequate reasons to debunk the myth that you so wish to hang on to. Find some other excuses man. This racism horse has been beaten to death.

isnt it funny how grovelling uncle tom's like you are quick to accuse their fellow black men of "failing in matters of life and career" when they call out whites on racism.  you know,  the behaviour of the mentally enslaved black man never ceases to amaze me, when jews call whites out on anti semitism and express their outrage over the persecution of their people  suffered at the hands of the nazis nobody condemns them infact they are applauded for their courage and keen sense of nationalism and self pride but when a black man does the same thing, its because he has "failed in his personal life.  in the UK an aristocrat spearheaded the creation of the welfare state - why didnt he think like you and say "who cares, im a member of the elite (which im sure you're not), as long as im okay, thats all that counts",  but no he knew that a nations power lies in its ability to take care of its citizens and to address  and correct problems which affect its citizens, irrespective of each individual's social status because greatness is measured not individually but collectively.  A nations greatness is determined by how the most vulnerable people in that society are treated. 

stupid brainwashed fools like you who are grateful for being given a few left over crumbs which have been swept onto the floor by their white masters are under the misapprehension that they "have made it".  Okay let me break it down for you so that maybe,  just maybe, i might be able to get through to you - the greatness of a people is not measured by the material success of one individual - it is measured by the sucess of a UNIFIED people - this is why your masters have been able to keep people like you in line for centuries.  Have you ever seen a white man brag about what he has acheived as an individual when his people are still languishing in poverty and ignorance?  Whites have vision and they understand that power comes from UNITY, ignorant idiots  like you on the other hand think power comes from juggling three mcdonalds jobs, living on credit and wearing the latest designer clothes that you pay for installmentally!!!!!!  you are a joke - i have read through your arguments and what i have garnered from them is your : inferior intellect, lack of critical thinking, self hatred and moral bankruptcy.

what makes you such a joke is that the non education that you have acquired is nothing more than the total absorption of eurocentric ideology and the regurgitation and parroting of your masters beleifs and ideas which shows you up for the shameless fraud that you are.  With no original ideas of your own you parrot incessantly the views espoused by racists like joe wilson who in the good old days of jim crow would have thought nothing of having you publicly lynched. these are the people you pay obeisance to, genuflecting at their feet and hanging on their every bigoted word. 

i wonder what sort of world blacks in america would have been living in if the progress of the black race was dependant on someone like you . Unlike you, African americans had the courage and dignity to stand up to a formidable white supremacist  machine in order for ungrateful scumbags  like you to be able to even breathe the same air as a white person, had these fearless young men and women not made these huge sacrifices, people like you would have been picking tomatoes and oranges on the florida and georgia plantations.   but instead of recognising what these brave souls did you stupidly dismiss racism because it doesnt fit in with what you in your empty false pride think is your current "status".  In your deluded state you forget that you are simply one paycheck away from poverty as your very existence is based on your white masters decision to decide whether or not to give you the boot.

You are enjoying the fruits of someone else's labour, the battle was fought for black emancipation in your absence, why dont you go back to nigeria and stand up to the tyrants that have made you run away to america living as a servant in another mans land and having the audacity to think you have acheieved something, be a man and go home and fight for your freedom the way african americans fought for theirs and stop living off someone else's glory - stupid fool.

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You know one of the reaons why I like capitalism which you obviously hate? It has one of the main attributes the Bible associates with God - it does not respect a man's person.  Any enterpreneur (White or Black), will employ you irrespective of your colour if you can prove to him that you will make him $100 for every $1 he spends to retain your services.  If you make yourself worthwhile, capitalism will worth your while - that irrespective of your skin pigmentation!

ignorant fool!!! capitalism only benefits the very rich which i know you are not - capitalism brought in NAFTA which has led to thousands of american jobs being outsourced to countries where labour is cheap like - mexico, haiti, indonesia, thailand and nigeria - you dumb fool!!!  capitalism has reinvented slavery of people in the third world where people are forced to work for 15cents an hour, capitalism has led to MASS POVERTY, CRIME, PROSTITUTION AND SUICIDE.

I know what your problem is - you never imagined you would be able to eat three square meals a day and now that dream has come true, because you are still stuck at the most basic level of existence ie acquisition of food and shelter, your mind has not yet developed to a more enlightened standard of reasoning.

please in between your graveyard shifts at mcdonalds do yourself a favour - go and read some books and this time read them in order to actually learn something not for the purpose of "cramming" in order to pass an exam.

author=Tayo-D link=topic=323158.msg4587854#msg4587854 date=1253581078]
@cap28,
I will not waste my time cataloguing again your very unfortunate posts.  It is there for everyone to see. Repeating those racist statements is sure to make me sick to my stomach.  Unrepentant race-baiters like you do so for many reasons.  Chief amongst them is to provide a ready excuse for your failure in matters of life and career.  With so many race-baiters like you out there, it becomes acceptable to blame your failures on the White man.  People like us are a threat to you becuase we provide adequate reasons to debunk the myth that you so wish to hang on to. Find some other excuses man. This racism horse has been beaten to death.

isnt it funny how grovelling uncle tom's like you are quick to accuse their fellow black men of "failing in matters of life and career" when they call out whites on racism.  you know,  the behaviour of the mentally enslaved black man never ceases to amaze me, when jews call whites out on anti semitism and express their outrage over the persecution their people  suffered at the hands of the nazis nobody condemns them infact they are applauded for their courage and keen sense of nationalism and self pride but when a black man does the same thing, its because he has "failed in his personal life.  in the UK an aristocrat spearheaded the creation of the welfare state - why didnt he think like you and say "who cares, im a member of the elite (which im sure you're not), as long as im okay, thats all that counts",  but no he knew that a nations power lies in its ability to take care of its citizens and to address  and correct problems which affect its citizens, irrespective of each individual's social status because greatness is measured not individually but collectively.  A nations greatness is determined by how the most vulnerable people in that society are treated. 

stupid brainwashed coons like you who are grateful for being given a few left over crumbs which have been swept onto the floor by their white masters are under the misapprehension that they "have made it".  Okay let me break it down for you so that maybe,  just maybe i might be able to get through to you - the greatness of a people is not measured by the material success of one individual - it is measured by the sucess of a UNIFIED people - this is why your masters have been able to keep people like you in line for centuries.  Have you ever seen a white man brag about what he has acheived as an individual when his people are still languishing in poverty and ignorance?  Whites have vision and they understand that power comes from UNITY, ignorant coons like you on the other hand think power comes from juggling three mcdonalds jobs, living on credit and wearing the latest designer clothes that you pay for installmentally!!!!!!  you are a joke - i have read through your arguments and what i have garnered from them is your : inferior intellect, lack of critical thinking, self hatred and moral bankruptcy.

what makes you such a joke is that the non education that you have acquired is nothing more than the total absorption of eurocentric ideology and the regurgitation and parroting of your masters beleifs and ideas which shows you up for the shameless fraud that you are.  With no original ideas of your own you parrot incessantly the views espoused by racists like joe wilson who in the good old days of jim crow would have thought nothing of having you publicly lynched. these are the people you pay obeisance to, genuflecting at their feet and hanging on their every bigoted word. 

i wonder what sort of world blacks in america would have been living in if the progress of the black race was dependant on someone like you . Unlike you, African americans had the courage and dignity to stand up to a formidable white supremacist  machine in order for ungrateful coons like you to be able to even breathe the same air as a white person, had these fearless young men and women not made these huge sacrifices, people like you would have been picking tomatoes and oranges on the florida and georgia plantations.   but instead of recognising what these brave souls did you stupidly dismiss racism because it doesnt fit in with what you in your empty false pride think is your current "status".  In your deluded state you forget that you are simply one paycheck away from poverty as your very existence is based on your white masters decision to decide whether or not to give you the boot.

You are enjoying the fruits of someone else's labour, the battle was fought for black emancipation in your absence, why dont you go back to nigeria and stand up to the tyrants that have made you run away to america living as a servant in another mans land and having the audacity to think you have acheieved something, be a man and go home and fight for your freedom the way african americans fought for theirs and stop living off someone else's glory - stupid coon.

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You know one of the reaons why I like capitalism which you obviously hate? It has one of the main attributes the Bible associates with God - it does not respect a man's person.  Any enterpreneur (White or Black), will employ you irrespective of your colour if you can prove to him that you will make him $100 for every $1 he spends to retain your services.  If you make yourself worthwhile, capitalism will worth your while - that irrespective of your skin pigmentation!

ignorant fool!!! capitalism only benefits the very rich which i know you are not - capitalism brought in NAFTA which has led to thousands of american jobs being outsourced to countries where labour is cheap like - mexico, haiti, indonesia, thailand and nigeria - you dumb fool!!!  capitalism has reinvented slavery of people in the third world where people are forced to work for 15cents an hour, capitalism has led to MASS POVERTY, CRIME, PROSTITUTION AND SUICIDE.

I know what your problem is - you never imagined you would be able to eat three square meals a day and now that dream has come true, because you are still stuck at the most basic level of existence ie acquisition of food and shelter, your mind has not yet developed to a more enlightened standard of reasoning.

please in between your graveyard shifts at mcdonalds do yourself a favour - go and read some books and this time read them in order to actually learn something not for the purpose of "cramming" in order to pass an exam.

fool!!!

whats happened to my response to Tayo D

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@cap28,
I will not waste my time cataloguing again your very unfortunate posts.  It is there for everyone to see. Repeating those racist statements is sure to make me sick to my stomach.  Unrepentant race-baiters like you do so for many reasons.  Chief amongst them is to provide a ready excuse for your failure in matters of life and career.  With so many race-baiters like you out there, it becomes acceptable to blame your failures on the White man.  People like us are a threat to you becuase we provide adequate reasons to debunk the myth that you so wish to hang on to. Find some other excuses man. This racism horse has been beaten to death.

isnt it funny how grovelling uncle tom's like you are quick to accuse their fellow black men of "failing in matters of life and career" when they call out whites on racism.  you know,  the behaviour of the mentally enslaved black man never ceases to amaze me, when jews call whites out on anti semitism and express their outrage over the persecution their people  suffered at the hands of the nazis nobody condemns them infact they are applauded for their courage and keen sense of nationalism and self pride but when a black man does the same thing, its because he has "failed in his personal life.  in the UK an aristocrat spearheaded the creation of the welfare state - why didnt he think like you and say "who cares, im a member of the elite (which im sure you're not), as long as im okay, thats all that counts",  but no he knew that a nations power lies in its ability to take care of its citizens and to address  and correct problems which affect its citizens, irrespective of each individual's social status because greatness is measured not individually but collectively.  A nations greatness is determined by how the most vulnerable people in that society are treated. 

stupid brainwashed coons like you who are grateful for being given a few left over crumbs which have been swept onto the floor by their white masters are under the misapprehension that they "have made it".  Okay let me break it down for you so that maybe,  just maybe i might be able to get through to you - the greatness of a people is not measured by the material success of one individual - it is measured by the sucess of a UNIFIED people - this is why your masters have been able to keep people like you in line for centuries.  Have you ever seen a white man brag about what he has acheived as an individual when his people are still languishing in poverty and ignorance?  Whites have vision and they understand that power comes from UNITY, ignorant coons like you on the other hand think power comes from juggling three mcdonalds jobs, living on credit and wearing the latest designer clothes that you pay for installmentally!!!!!!  you are a joke - i have read through your arguments and what i have garnered from them is your : inferior intellect, lack of critical thinking, self hatred and moral bankruptcy.

what makes you such a joke is that the non education that you have acquired is nothing more than the total absorption of eurocentric ideology and the regurgitation and parroting of your masters beleifs and ideas which shows you up for the shameless fraud that you are.  With no original ideas of your own you parrot incessantly the views espoused by racists like joe wilson who in the good old days of jim crow would have thought nothing of having you publicly lynched. these are the people you pay obeisance to, genuflecting at their feet and hanging on their every bigoted word. 

i wonder what sort of world blacks in america would have been living in if the progress of the black race was dependant on someone like you . Unlike you, African americans had the courage and dignity to stand up to a formidable white supremacist  machine in order for ungrateful coons like you to be able to even breathe the same air as a white person, had these fearless young men and women not made these huge sacrifices, people like you would have been picking tomatoes and oranges on the florida and georgia plantations.   but instead of recognising what these brave souls did you stupidly dismiss racism because it doesnt fit in with what you in your empty false pride think is your current "status".  In your deluded state you forget that you are simply one paycheck away from poverty as your very existence is based on your white masters decision to decide whether or not to give you the boot.

You are enjoying the fruits of someone else's labour, the battle was fought for black emancipation in your absence, why dont you go back to nigeria and stand up to the tyrants that have made you run away to america living as a servant in another mans land and having the audacity to think you have acheieved something, be a man and go home and fight for your freedom the way african americans fought for theirs and stop living off someone else's glory - stupid coon.

You know one of the reaons why I like capitalism which you obviously hate? It has one of the main attributes the Bible associates with God - it does not respect a man's person.  Any enterpreneur (White or Black), will employ you irrespective of your colour if you can prove to him that you will make him $100 for every $1 he spends to retain your services.  If you make yourself worthwhile, capitalism will worth your while - that irrespective of your skin pigmentation!

ignorant fool!!! capitalism only benefits the very rich which i know you are not - capitalism brought in NAFTA which has led to thousands of american jobs being outsourced to countries where labour is cheap like - mexico, haiti, indonesia, thailand and nigeria - you dumb fool!!!  capitalism has reinvented slavery of people in the third world where people are forced to work for 15cents an hour, capitalism has led to MASS POVERTY, CRIME, PROSTITUTION AND SUICIDE.

I know what your problem is - you never imagined you would be able to eat three square meals a day and now that dream has come true, because you are still stuck at the most basic level of existence ie acquisition of food and shelter, your mind has not yet developed to a more enlightened standard of reasoning.

please in between your graveyard shifts at mcdonalds do yourself a favour - go and read some books and this time read them in order to actually learn something not for the purpose of "cramming" in order to pass an exam.

fool!!!

BellaRouge:
Firstly, I don't agree with your assumption that Nigerians look up to America. Then, assuming you were correct, all you've done in your post is make a list of claims based on your interpretation of America's actions, not facts. Lastly, as humans, when we hold someone in high esteem, we generally don't admire them for their negative qualities but their positive qualities and actions. After all, no one's perfect. Despite your list of America's "faults", America is a nation that has undoubtedly accomplished a lot of things.

to say that nigerians do not look up to america and americans is to be in the firm grip of self deception - okay let me give a very simple example - on any day take a trip down to the american embassy in nigeria and you will see how nigerians are willing to put up with any kind of humiliating treatment from the embassy officials all in a bid to obtain a visa into the country.  infact on another thread where a discussion was being made about the possibility of american marines occupying the niger delta region in order to "safeguard" oil installations some people were actually quite jubilant enthusing that at least now we can look forward to having mcdonalds, burger kings and walmarts established in nigeria - what does that indicate?

you say that all ive done is make a list of claims based on my interpretation of america's actions and not facts, to most people who regularly read and research world issues none of what you describe as "claims" are new but here are some facts:

suspension of the bill of rights by the introduction of the Military Commissions Act 2006http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/commissions.html

invasion of iraq and afghanistan- a right wing think tank known as the project for the new american century (PNAC) sets out america's plans for world domination and pre emptive attacks against "problem areas of the world" with the recommendation that america should initiate "regime change" of administrations that are "hostile" to america's economic interests

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

overthrow of legitimate democratically elected govts: too numerous to mention but see link below

http://video.google.com/videoplay?

installation of puppet leaders: see overthrow of legitimate democratically elected govts

state sponsorhip of terrorism: see overthrow of democratically elected govts

practice of de facto apartheid: this is still very much in existence - its a well known fact that whites move out of areas en masse when they feel too many blacks are moving in to white neighbourhoods

employment - blacks are overrepresented in terms of unemployment stats particularly now in an economic downturn, btw this is irrespective of educational acheivement infact educated blacks suffer even higher levels of unemployment than uneducated blacks

education: huge disparity between standard of education in "black schools" in comparison to white

judicial system: high incarceration rate of blacks in comparison to whites

capitalism: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11635.htm

repression of dissident groups:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p993fs5pR4U

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=323158.msg4582472#msg4582472 date=1253496647]@cap28,
You are very confused, really! You started this debate painting all Whites with a single brush of racism. When I called you out on it, you claimed otherwise but sitll went ahead trying to prove the White man is devil's incarnate. From that position, you shifted to different kinds of evil perpetuated by people with certain skin pigmentation. Now you've evolved to calling out only those who show no respects to Blacks as the racists. You sure can dance around like Maradona without scoring a goal.[/quote]no you are the confused one -this debate has been about whites who refuse to accord blacks the same respect that they accord their white counterparts and i have not departed from that position - i have tried to explain to you without  much success that the reason they do this is because of their inherent racism which majority of them have- i think you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome - a psychological disorder where victims of abuse develop a positive emotional bond with their abuser which is manifested by way of extreme loyalty irrespective of how abusive the relationship becomes.  this is why it is impossible to get through to you, you are psychologically programmed into a victim abuser relationship.

What goes on in the West is no different than what goes on in our native country - Nigeria. The same evil is interpreted as racism in the West and tribalism in Africa. It is inherent in people to group themselves such that they exercise power over other groups. It is the self preservation inherent in ALL humans that reveals itself in this way. Accusing Whites while giving Blacks a free ride only suggest you have yielded to your basic human instict to lump yourself into a group in order to exercise some form of power over another group.

what goes on in the west is much more insidious blacks are singled out and scapegoated by the ruling elite to prevent working class blacks and whites from uniting against the common enemy the elite and overthrowing their capitalist system, because this has been going on for centuries it is now ingrained in the psyche of every white person that blacks are inferior.  

You are an individual and should learn to treat people as such. Stop this grouping!
This is becuase some of you have chosen to live in the past. If someone had been courageous enough to call Bush out when he was making a case for the Iraq war, we probably wouldn't have been in this mess. Obama lied, and Wilson calls him out on it. While Wilson chose a very wrong platform to do what he did, he could not have been more correct in his assertion that Obama was lying!

majority of those congressmen are beholden to their corporate paymasters who make huge donations to their respective political parties, in other words they are paid to ensure that legislation favourable to corporate fat cats is passed through congress, they are not beholden to the people at all, therefore the idea that these congressmen are acting in the best interests of the public is a complete joke and this makes wilson's heckling of obama all the more contemptible - this man wasnt challenging obama on an issue that he had any strong convictions on he was merely heckling because he simply doesnt like the fact that a black man is the president of the united states!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=323158.msg4582303#msg4582303 date=1253491472]@cap28,

A very "clever" post you have above. You accuse Whites with a different opinion than you as racists and Blacks who do not race-bait like you as slaves of the White man or House Negroes. Can't you learn to think outside of Race? People like you would rather live in the early 1900s becuase the reality of today do not support your racist views. Breaking News, the President of the United States is a Black man. He was voted into office with an overwhelming White vote in modern day America. Live with it!

It does not occur to racists like you that Whites, hundreds of thousands of them paid the ultimate sacrifice so that Black men could be free. But of course, acknowledging that does not empower your pre-disposition to racism. I live and work amongst people of all races and there are evil White people as much as there are evil Black people. Attempting to link evil to skin pigmentation is an adventure in futility. But of course you maintain some relevance by feeding gullible people with such balderdash. I trust you wont desist from such an act in the near future.[/quote]no i accuse whites who refuse to accord blacks the same respect that they accord their own people of being racist and i accuse blacks who turn a blind eye to white people's disrespectful and abusive behaviour towards blacks as house negros and uncle toms.  

i do think outside race but for a black man living in the west it is impossible to AVOID being reminded about race by white people, black people are constantly reminded of their race daily, be it through the negative perception of us in the media, the negative stereo typical images of hip hop, the statistics that we are bombarded with constantly on how badly we seem to be doing, its everywhere and aside from leaving the country, you cant escape it.  In america race determines everything- it determines where you are educated, what kind of job you are likely to get, where you live even to some extent who you socialise with , date or marry.

if america has moved on as you claim why are we in 2009 having a debate about an african american president not being accorded the same respect that a white president would have been accorded.  

Davidylan is correct the white vote in favour of Obama did not give him his victory it was the overwhelming support that he received from the african american and to some extent hispanic community.  

pray tell, what ultimate sacrifice did whites pay in order for blacks to be free?  if you are talking about the civil war again you have been misled - infact lincoln resisted calls for the abolition of slavery, this is what he said:

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so." He then went on to write in 1862:

“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.” In a further attempt to appease the rednecks in the south he gave the  Confederate states four months to stop fighting, promising to leave the slaves in their chains if they did.

the civil war had nothing to do with the abolition of slavery and every thing do with the northern elite wanting to appropriate land from southern rednecks in order to amass even more money for themselves.  

here is another quote from  your beloved Abraham Lincoln:

"I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the Negro into our social and political life as our equal".

the so called emancipation of slaves was actually a tactic used by the north to undermine the south and also the north needed cheap labour to man many factory jobs which were now becoming available in the north so it was more economic expedience rather than an overwhelming desire to do what was morally right.

Your beloved Lincoln did not think that freed slaves should be given full legal and voting rights, and even advocated both before and during the Civil War that all blacks should be deported to Africa or the West Indies.

Here is another one of his quotes:

"We cannot attain the ideal union our Fathers dreamed,with millions of an alien, inferior race among us,whose assimilation is neither possible or desirable".

so i think you can see from all of the above that far from making the ultimate sacrifice whites were hell bent on keeping blacks in shackles - i think the above should therefore explain why people like grand wizard joe wilson feels completey hard done by - in his mind having Obama as his president is a complete betrayal of what his beloved founding fathers beleived in and fought for.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=323158.msg4580844#msg4580844 date=1253471871]@cap28, adconline,

I don't have the time to start responding all your points. I will make this point however. You two are no different than the people you accuse of racism. When you judge a man not by his character or actions, but by his skin colour, you might as well have been a member of the KKK.

While they think they are more special than you becuase you are black, you think yourself to be better than them becuase they are white. You are all birds of the same feather and should be locked up away from the rest of civilisation. We don't need race baiters like you around![/quote]Tayo D - you are an embarrassment to the black race - how is it that when a black person speaks out against injustice meted out by your white masters WE AS BLACK PEOPLE are then lumped into the same category as the racists - there is definitely something terribly wrong with the way you reason (understatement!!!)

every time a black person goes out in to the workplace, school or even social arena,  the issue of race is usually on the cards.  i think you are one of these black people who cut whites so much slack no matter how abusive and condescending their  behaviour when dealing with blacks.  do whites have to walk around wearing white hoods before you know they are racist?

arent you aware of covert racism or institutionalised racism which is the "safer" way whites discriminate against blacks. 
maybe you need to speak to some older african americans who will educate you on what they had to put up with from whites during the Jim Crow era.

maybe if they tell you about how many of their people were beaten, murdered and harrassed for asking for the same rights as everyother taxpaying american you might just begin to understand what these courageous people have been through.

if whites are the angels that you are desperately trying to make them out to be why did eisenhower send FEDERAL TROOPS to protect black students from screaming lynch mobs when they were being bussed to white colleges in the late 50's?

had it not been for the brave young black girl in the photo below you would not even be in a position to enjoy any of the things you take for granted today in america:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Little_Rock_Desegregation_1957.jpg


why did it take over 100 years from the abolition of slavery for blacks to become enfranchised, why did it take the deaths of people like malcolm x and martin luther king and many more for affirmative action legislation (which is now being dismantled) to be introduced? 

adconline refers to you as educated - my question is educated to do what? to follow your white master unquestioningly because that is what it sounds like.  there is no point acquiring an education if all it does is make you worse than a so called uneducated person.

i feel nothing but pity for you.

interesting analysis of grand wizard wilson's outburst with contributions from ronald reagan's son who is a huge improvement on his father


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whIxMKOIICg

@adconline thanks for those interesting links about grand wizard wilson.

one thing you have to understand about these people is they eat, breathe, drink and sleep racism this is what gets them out of bed in the morning.  the fact that this man is from a state where the confederate flag is still flown on govt buildings speaks volumes. 

its not difficult to work this man out because his hatred of blacks is so transparent - look at his response on hearing that his fellow KKK acolyte was found to be a closet "nigger lover" 

"It's a smear on the image that [Thurmond] has as a person of high integrity who has been so loyal to the people of South Carolina,"
and

“Sometimes these things just go on," Wilson said. "These are heroes of mine. I really hope these would be heroes to future generations of Americans. (The stories) are ,  a way to diminish their contributions to our country's existence”.


so in this man's mind the fact that his "hero" slept with a black slave might "diminish" in the minds of fellow white american's his contributions to america - this is how much disgust this man has for black people he sees the fact that some white sexual predator impregnated a defenceless black slave as a taint on the predator, never mind the fact that this poor black slave might have been sexually abused by this shameless predator no thats not important its the white saint's character that is at stake here!!!!!  unbeleivable.

it is a well known fact that america's so called founding fathers were a bunch of child molesters, sexual predators and murderers (Thomas Jefferson) why do  you think over a 1/4 of african americans have white blood in them.