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KingAlabi:
Are you saying ole is managing greenwood well ?

This here is what I want, give credit to whom credit is due

Ole is managing him well yes. Most things I said about Ole is based on my convinction not based on agenda. If Ole does well i will give credit to him. For example I dont have any issues with Ole so far he cam win us the Europa this season and finish 2nd, while showing progress in his style of play.

afrodoc:
Sadly Martial might be a bench player if is still here by next season. Either we buy a replacement or Greenwood dethrones him. The truth is he is ubertalented but weak-minded.

Its might look funny, but i think i prefer this version of Greenwood to that of last season. He is now more rounded in his game, i think Oke took off some scoring responsibilities from him in order to develop other aspect of his game and its paying off. Greenwood has improved considerably

We are 9 points ahead of 5th place now. Its safe to say we are going to enjoy UCL football next season. Nice one

patrickmuf:
How does it imply that he must be number 1? I went further to say if Henderson outperforms him, he should continue in goal. Nobody should get anything on the platter, you play well, you get to start...

But according to the manager, Henderson is outperforming him. Even last season that Henderson was at Sheffield United he outperformed DDG, hence the competition for the number 1 spot. Nobody is giving Henderson the number 1 spot on a platter. Moreover it is not even clear he is number 1 yet. So DDG so relax and compete for his place just like he is doing in Spanish NT.

afrodoc:
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Someone actually said this yesterday. He said United should erect a statue of DDG at Old Trafford.

Lol. DDG has been good for us but if a statue should be biult for him. May be some part of united shares should be given to people like Schmeichel and Van der Sar

Expert17:
You can't keep 2 good GKs capable of playing as No 1 at a club, one has to leave.

The first thing they would consider is age, the youngest will likely stay:

Cortious and Cech
Szczęsny and Buffon (left for PSG)
Lopez and Casillas
Ter Stergen and Bravo etc

United fans are too emotional. Thats why most of them keep making excuses for Ole because of a tap in goal he scored in 1999.

patrickmuf:
The bolded is what you choose to argue against and not my point...

You said DDG has paid his dues and must not be hounded and must be treated honourably. You said that.

But TBH DDG has been treated honourably enough for commiting countless season defining errors for the past 3 years and still remained number 1 at a huge club like united, he is earning the best wages in the world, even though its obvious his quality is is no longer elite. So how else do you want him to be treated?

You want a stand to be named after him? Or a status biult for him?

patrickmuf:
My point is that the criticism of DDG is now overblown just cos we have Henderson...

If Henderson performs better, he will take De Gea's place and that's justifiable but people shouldn't criticize De Gea and turn a blind eye when Henderson is involved...The criticism should be constructive though.

Cc: Expert17 and CapitalCe

How many errors have Henderson commited this season as against that of DDG? I can name several DDG errors off my head, check the EPL GK stats he is up there among keepers who commited most errors leading to goal, For the past 3 season DDG has cost us dearly, Why are you turning blind eyes to that too?

Its natural to intestify a call for a player to be replaced when a seemingly better one comes on board. Ddg did not do half of what Rooney did at united but at some point even the so called English media were hounding him for earning huge pay without justifying it on the pitch. Its obvious that DDG is no longer elite level GK, his wages is too high for his present quality, so why wont he be criticized. What wrong has Henderson commited for trying to compete for a place

afrodoc:
And what DDG did between 2012 and 2018 has no bearing whatsoever with who should be our keeper in 2021. In football you keep your job based on what you can do now and what you potentially can do in the future NOT what you did in the past.

This is not Nigerian Merit Awards where they will award you GCON because of your long history of service to the nation in the past.

Thank you doc.

Cech lost his place to Cortiois, and Casilas list his place to Lopez, these are absolute tier 1 legends. So why will that of DDG be different. Not as if he is playing for free all those while

Expert17:
Henderson and this current DDG are on par.....(i will stil pick Hendo sha)

DDG is 30 and taking home 375k
Hendo is 24 and on 120k

We have the option of keeping one and selling the other, the right choice is to sell DDG, so I don't understand the noise.

The argument is that DDG has done a lot for us. So we can keep him till eternity as against an up and coming players.
How many years was DDG when Fergie handed him our number 1 spot. Infact DDG's errors was instrumental to the 2011/12 league title that we lost to City on GD. But we saw it then as a learning process, i remember argueing with some united fans in my street then. We all pleaded for him to be given a chance. So why is it a problem now that it's another person's turn to shine.

afrodoc:
I am not so sure about that. DDG is not criticized EVERY time we concede a headed goal. In this particular situation Henderson actually did well to pull off a DDG-like save only for AWB and Lindelof to sleep on duty twice and allow the rebound.

And i don't really get your point. Do you mean that because you believe that the press would have wrongfully criticized DDG for the goal we should now wrongfully criticize Henderson for the goal? Abi is that not what you are demanding?

No mind them, they want Henderson not to progress because he is English. DDG should complete for his place simple

patrickmuf:
DDG has paid his dues, if his time here is done, he should be moved on honorably and not be hounded out by the press just because he is keeping and English lad on the bench...

People like us has been saying DDG needs competition even before Henderson performed admirably last season in Sheffield United. Its not Henderson's fault he is English, so because he is English he shouldn't be made number 1? So why is DDG being bench by Zpanish NT coaches or are Kepa and Unai Simon English too?

patrickmuf:
Expert17 you would've expected De Gea to come out for the ball before it got to Welbeck. I understand it's AWB who was caught napping but if it was DDG, you wouldn't cut him any slack.

Nobody criticises DDG for conceding a header. DDG is being criticised for the following reasons.

1. Getting bullied of the ball by opposition players in the air during set peices.
2. Letting himself be beaten at the near post too easily.
3. Commiting absolute howlers, by letting in routine shots to squim through his arm.

And for the past 3 season this has happened on a regular basis and this has cost us valuable points and trophies.

DDG is also know not to communicate properly with defender and is not a good sweeper when needed.

You guys should stop hating on Henderson, he too wants a decent career, DDG should fight for his place not try to emotionally blackmail the manager and the fans who are realistic

Expert17:
@ bolded, he saved a free header at a point-blank range,....... AWB and co should have done better.

We can't keep both at the club, one has to leave - and it should be DDG.

I mean all of us like DDG he has a place in united history, but the reaction from his fans is now getting anno
annoying. How can you blame Henderson for a goal that he conceded after keeping out a point blank header? I dont really understand this unnecessary fuse about DDG, that has suddenly turned to hate against Henderson just because he is English.
If Cassilas and Cech can be benched who is DDG that he cant be benched?

Illimitable:
Whenever I am discussing European football, I limit it to the leagues in England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal and Netherlands.

I don’t give a shit about what happens in a league ranked 22nd in Europe. Ole failed at Cardiff. Anyone that passed common entrance in Nigeria can manage a club in Norway.

Dont mind him, Even our own Ndubuisi Egbo won the league with Tirana of Albania. Maybe we should go and hire him

afrodoc:
Sadio Mane, VVD, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Roy Keane, OGS, Frank Lampard and 99% of all the other players who eventually made it at big teams.

Antonio Valencia made it too from wigan to united.

afrodoc:
But honestly speaking this West Brom side is very poor. Chelshit can still win it if they eradicate mistakes at the back.

Lol. No be only win na poverty eradication

popizaino:
No ref would give United player a card like how they give other teams. I have said it a yellow card for a Chelsea player is about five warning for a man United player.

Mumu. West brom beat Chelsea, the first thing this shekpte will dobis to blame Man U

raumdeuter:
I have missed Silva too

Lol. Please Was Silva found wanting today?

BARAJ92:
Really which pattern did he use against Southampton and those others team we won. Prime Ferguson was based on fast paced counter attacking.

Soton were reduced to 10 men in the 2nd minute. How many games have Soton won since then

BARAJ92:
Really which pattern did he use against Southampton and those others team we won. Prime Ferguson was based on fast paced counter attacking.

Prime Ferguson is not fast paced counter attack, go and watch Ferguson. Fergie played a front 4 of Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney and Saha/Larson. With Carrick and Scholes behind, with 2 flying FBs of Evra and Neville/Brown/oshea/Rafeal etc. Fergie uses counter only against teams that like retaining possession eg Wengers Arsenal.

BARAJ92:
In 2016-2017 season we qualify by winning the Europa League not through the league

Tie rope for goat, tie goat for rope, so far tie dey dia, na the same. The target is to qualify gor UCL irrespective of the route

The question is did Mourinho qualify for UCL in 2 consecutive season? YES or NO.

patrickmuf:
Like seriously, we still have fans here rejoicing over the rumored contract extension for Ole?

Some folks here are jokers.

Go to all social media platforms, rival fans are celebrating the news

BARAJ92:
Ole has done nothing wrong, This will be the first time since Ferguson left us that we will be qualifying for champions League, consecutively.
Definitely on paper and reality, the likes of Moyes, Van gaal and Mourinho are far ahead of Ole but they all fail at one time or the other to qualify us for the champions league.

Winning the league or a trophy will only be a priority after we have regained our status as a top team. Ole can't be fired unless he bottle up the top 4. Champions league football is the No one priority for all the big clubs in England.

Ole needs to change his assistants and get a good technical and tactical assistants who will assist him in the job.

We lost to palace and sheffied because Ole doesn't have pattern, his luck ran out

BARAJ92:
Ole has done nothing wrong, This will be the first time since Ferguson left us that we will be qualifying for champions League, consecutively.
Definitely on paper and reality, the likes of Moyes, Van gaal and Mourinho are far ahead of Ole but they all fail at one time or the other to qualify us for the champions league.

Winning the league or a trophy will only be a priority after we have regained our status as a top team. Ole can't be fired unless he bottle up the top 4. Champions league football is the No one priority for all the big clubs in England.

Ole needs to change his assistants and get a good technical and tactical assistants who will assist him in the job.

Mourinho qualified for UCL in consecutive seasons. Ole fans will always twist facts to make excuses for him

raumdeuter:
Pep is 50yrs old Ole is only 2 yrs younger. Na lack of achievements dey make some people think say dem still young

Exactly, Pep and Ole are age mates, they started coaching almost the same time. But olesexuals will tell you he is still a rockie. Anything to make excuses for him

Expert17:
Alabi no sabi anything.....

Maybe Lukaku is lying

No mind am, Lukaku talk say Ole was told him he want him on the wings. Alabi de turn Amala to fashion out another excuse.

Bombblacks:
I said provide two matches where Ole played Lukaku on the wing

Cant you read what lukaku said?

KingAlabi:
Banters apart, that guy na clown jare.

Expert17 I am sorry, you dey learn work were cee dey.

Lol. Alabi when is Ole ride on players intelligence to win even Caraboa cup?

KingAlabi:
I think I am done arguing with you, you hardly read to understand, na there you problem dey, have fun.

While at it, SACK OGS.

But yeah you can't, then keep doing what you do best!!

I cant sack Ole. Good one, if him remaining make you better, good riddance, but we are waiting, clubs go though terrible periods. Ole can stay as long as he can.

Illimitable:
Facts will always beat emotions.

Lukaku told everyone the plain truth. Wait for Alabi to find another excuse for him

BARAJ92:
Football is all about risk, that same lineup could have won another day.
Mention four players in that team that face Leicester that did not deserve to start, Is it telles or Van de beek that fans have clamour for them to start.
You want Ole to start Mctominay that has been playing in pain or Fernandez that has been playing all our matches, or Shaw that is injury prone.

Football is a risk, i hear you. Anybody can deserve to play, but against Liecester city the best team must be played with an added incentive of a soton Semis draw. The next serious match we have is about 2 weeks time why rest bruno? Why rest shaw? Mctominay is playing with pains but he dropped a MOM performance yesterday for Scotland and is set to start again tomorrow. Excuses and more excises for Ole