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Havertz is playing well sha. Long may it continue

MRTA7:
Conveniently didnt include Bruno against Leicester this season. I see am now. Na me fall for the trolling. my mistake.

Just ignore that man. When you see a troll you know. Thats what I have been pointing to most united fans who fall for their antics.

Very soon they will begin to question why he doesn't score with his left foot

BlueMann:
Havertz please do something nice today

Hope Timo gets a goal

Forget it, the 2 of them will be neutralised by everton

timbros:
According to airmark and Barnes, TAA and Robertson suddenly stopped crossing the centre line because VVD is not at the back again and they don't trust whoever is playing CB.

I wonder how Liverpool then went from 4th to 1st after VVD got injured.

Barnes and airmark should also tell us why TAA and Robertson refused to cross effectively against villa when VVD was around

sleekdot:
VVD left the team 4th on the table on Matchday 4

By Matchday 17 Liverpool was 1st on the table

Which style did they play for the 14 matchdays between October 17 and January 1 without VVD that pushed them from 4th to top the table?

Lol. Same Liverpool played without VVD when they hammered palace 7-0, Leicester 3-0, Wolves 4-0 etc, outplayed Spurs without him, so we need to know the style they played in those matches.
We also need to know why they refused to adopt the affective VVD style against Villa when they were humiliated 7-2.

airmark:
If you know the assists stats by Arnold and Robertson when VVD wasn't injured and the decline now, and you read the attached below and still not convinced, then i will need to take you to Klopp himself to convince you on the effect of VVD's absence in that team.

Lol. So VVD absence suddenly made Robertson and TAA to be misplacing crosses and for mane and co to be missing sitters. So according to your Barnes VVD didn't do all these things when Villa out 7 past them

sleekdot:
Na agenda and dishonesty

The thing surprise me oo

sleekdot:
VVD played when they conceded 7 to Aston Villa
Anfield doesn't mean much when there is no crowd to cheer them. While the last time Anfield was full spineless Morata shitt on VVD

Liverpool even beat spurs and hammered palace 7-0 after VVD injury, nobody said anything. Immediately they ran out of steam, they blamed it on VVD injury, same guy that was there and they conceded 7 against Villa.

airmark:
Enough of trying to downplay VVD's influence in the team.

Nobody should misinform us here, Matip played when Burnley defeated Liverpool at Anfield.

It should be emphasized that VVD never experienced a league defeat at Anfield since he joined the team, unlike other players in that defence. That speaks volume.

2 months after VVD injury Liverpool where still topping the league table, infact they won a top-of-the-table clash without VVD, they even beat Palace 7-0. So how will you attribute their poor firm to VVD? So VVD is the reason Mane, Sallah and Firminho couldn't score abi.

JayromWrites:
If only penalties were that easy

Chelsea will have 2 champions league

Ghana would have played a world cup semi final game

Messi would have won atleast an international trophy with argentina



If only Penalties were easy

I think the best thing is whenever we get a penalty Bruno should just miss it to show he is a great guy

Joezinho:
Since 1st of September 2020, the 72mill flop Kai Havertz and Hakim Ziyech have 1 goal against the top 6 combined but you don't seem bothered.
Why?

This trash coming from a shekpite? Your minigod fat Lampard has scored the most penalties in Premier League history. But he's not a fraud. He's one of the best players in Premier League history...

If Penalty is easy then Messi will have one international trophy to his name..

Tell him to ask John Terry how important penalties are.

Moreover according to Rudi Voller Leverkusen Director. The total money for Fraudvertz is 100m Euros

Joezinho:
Bruno Fernandes now has 41 goal involvements in 42 Premier League games (24 goals, 17 assists)..

Yet some kid that has never kicked a ball except run around kicking oranges and is prolly eating lunch on his bed served by his mother wants us to believe Bruno is a fraud? You are mad...

Those are Chelshit trolls . Ignore them, we present score cards of actual goals and assists that wins matches not intangible Key Passes and % passes that have little effect on the result.

BikeMan:
But I hope you guys know that half of Bruno's goals are penalties?

For perspective, he has scored the most penalties in probably the entire Europe this season. He's not even top 3 for assists, he's always lost when it matters. So, I'm genuinely concerned, for a fanbase that kept counting Hazard's open play goals, why do you think Bruno is the best midfielder in the world?

If Chelsea had Bruno instead of John Terry on Penalty duties, you would have had 2 UCL trophies by now. Stoping typing rubbish.

He always lost it when it matters by dispatching his Penalty in pressure cooked moments yesterday and on numerous occasions and scoring a dying minute free kick versus Liverpool. He is not top 3 in assists? Maybe you are mistaken him to Pussylick, Ziyanch or Fraudvertz.

TrebleChamp:
Na wa ooh

Zinchenko was making runs at our defence and tested Henderson on occasions with stinging efforts, he was fantastic yesterday. If you watched the game with a bad TV you may mistaken him for KDB.

Beorn:
At the bolded, key passes and wayward can't be in the same sentence. For a pass to be a key pass, it can't be a wayward. I agree that he made a lot of wayward passes yesterday, but the key ones weren't wayward, it's just that the player it got to failed to utilize it.

I remember one very scintillating cross KdB whipped in towards the Sterling on a platter towards the end of the match, only for the lad to nod the ball like a fool away from the goal post when he had the chance to score with Lindelof already on the floor and Henderson rooted at the spot, much to my excitement.


That was a key pass wasted by Sterling. KdB had a poor game yesterday by his standards but his key passes not troubling us wasn't down to him but his team-mates squandering the chances.

Baba i dont do holier than thou. I dont have any agenda on KDB, all i have said about him are true. I don't really know what key passes mean. Whatever it is, KDB was poor yesterday and i wasn't the only one that said it. Anyone who felt he was fantastic yesterday and immune to criticism or aversed to pointing out that he has not done any earth shattering thing in football at his age, then that's not my problem

Beorn:
I don't see the need of this disparaging remarks on KdB or Bruno. Both are fantastic players. No player can be good every match.

You don't need to run down one to elevate the other.


I'm a huge fan of Bruno and while it's a fact that Bruno has out-performed KdB this season SO FAR, I PERSONALLY rate KdB above Bruno in general, taking note of KdB's scintillating performance over the years and not just this season. KdB is a midfield god.

I am not doubting KDB class, however he is 4 years older than Bruno and has played 5 more seasons in EPL. Wait let Bruno reach that number of season before properly assessing him. If Bruno has outperformed him since he came to EPL despite being in a less fanciful team that should tell you something. For Me I PERSONALLY rate Bruno more than KDB

Beorn:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/mar/07/enduring-luke-shaw-plays-his-own-game-to-eclipse-cancelo


But, but, but... Only Bruno played rubbish.

Doc told me he made gazillion number of passes, so we should ignore his numerous errors and abysmal performance. In guardian review today, it was mentioned that City has majority of the ball but cant use it " Competently " spamming crosses and optimistic passes up and down doesn't amount to good display

KingAlabi:
For the guy saying Bruno wasn't better than 8-9 players
Na colourless tv you dey watch?

Dont mind him, and those were the kind of lunatics that will come here to talk trash and most of us will be doing holier than thou and be collaborating the nonsense.

I have watched United over many years to know that whenever a United player begin to reach good heights trolls and haters emerge from no where to try make them look useless while hyping other teams players. They did same thing to Ronaldo saying he dissappears in big games and a show pony and a diver, same with RVN they said he doesn't assist and dont score from outside the box, They said Rooney did not reach Ronaldo's level so he is useless and he is indisciplined, same with Cantona, same with Roy Keane. They have started a mini agenda on Greenwood, now he is not scoring much, the agenda has stopped. Let Bruno join Madrid or Barca now he will turn to Zidane and Platini rolled into one. I cant be decieved

afrodoc2:
You are using tabloids to corroborate your analysis? LOL

You have dropped like 5 untrue statements today to support your anti-KDB agenda.

1) You said he was off color when he attempted almost 20 more passes than Bruno, created 7 more chances than him, and had a higher passing accuracy.

2) You first said Maguire dealt with his aimless key passes which by definition is untrue.

3) You said his passing was wayward when at 79.4% it was okay for an AM and better than Bruno's.

4) You suggested that Ruud and Rooney had won PFA by leading us to the title which is also not true.

Drop your anti-KDB propaganda. You don't need to pull him down in order to praise Bruno. I for one appreciate the two of them.

I decided to ignore id.iotic trolls who highlighted some of these your points. But since you have brought it on, i will have to address your points. Head on..

1. Doc i repeat and still maintain to you that KDB was completely off colour yesterday, if he like let him deliver 1 million passes. He loss possession several times in dangerous positions, he was lethargic, he misplaced passes on several occasions, and could not orchestrate any meaningful attempt, Henderson was only restricted long range efforts from Gundogan, Rodri and Zinchenko. KDB was very poor yesterday. Your passing stats is meaningless. Even your Whoscored commenters where stunned how he was able to get his rating. The image below is the evidence.

2. Maguire made 9 key cleaeances i only checked that now, i didnt require some statistics sites to know that from what i watched. I dont know what your Whoscored mean by "key passes" hitherto, and thats not a shameful thing. All I know was most of KDB’S passes and crosses where aimless and useless and was easily dealt with by our defence especially Maguire.

3. His key passes yesterday was wayward, he can decide to make shot passes to boost his percentage, thats not my problem. But his passes did not trouble the defence AT ALL.

4. Thats clearly an oversight and moreover RVN was the top scorer in 2002/2003 season, and PFA player the previous season. While its not correct its a clear indication that I dont rush to mindless lifting in Wikipedia to make my points. Same with Rooney.

You can adore both player thats fine. But my point is if folks here or wherever decide to take up an agenda against Bruno, by overhyping KDB, to make a player who keep breaking records within his short spell in EPL to look bad, then i am free to point out mine too. KDB is not as good and established as most of you make him to be. He has not achieved anything in football that is out of this world, that's the point I am making and that's absolutely the truth. For a player of his supposed quality and age, he is given too much byes for folding in key moments despite surrounding himself with stupendous quality both at Club and International level.

afrodoc2:
You can't be using stats to defend Bruno all season and then abandon those stats when they don't favor you.

He was off color yet he created more goal scoring chances than the entire Man Utd squad put together. He was poor with his passing yet he had a higher passing accuracy than Bruno.

I am not saying he was perfect but this is the first time i am hearing that an AM with 8 key passes and almost 80% passing accuracy was terrible in a game. Bruno had 78% passing accuracy with 1 key pass for comparison.

And you have still not explained how Maguire easily dealt with KDB's 8 key passes.

I have stated here time and time again that Bruno’s stats though important are not his main strengths. KDB that I saw yesterday is very poor and he had been for the most part of 2021. He can deliver 100 key passes i dont care.

Seasoned british tabloids pointed out he was poor, I saw it, many City and neutral fans saw it. KDB was poor yesterday.
His team was trailing yesterday, from the first minute, so its unsurprising, based on your definition of key passes, whenever a teammate fashion out an attempt from his pass, its a key pass, i am knowing that from today. However, I am telling you that a good number of those "key passes" were from Corner Kicks and freekicks and moreover he is City's attacking midfielder a team trailing and looking to score, he will most likely deliver such passes. That will not blind me from seeing that he was very poor yesterday as collaborated by Credible British tabloids

osamz007:
AFTER READING THROUGH FEW PAGES I NOW CAN SAY TREVOR IS INSANE

He is a Yabaleft patient

afrodoc2:
How can you saying the key passes were aimless crosses into the box that were dealt with by Maguire? Obviously you don't know what a key pass is.

Wetin concern Maguire or any other CB with key pass? A key pass is the final pass that leads to a shot on goal without the recipient scoring. Maguire could not have dealt with it if the recipients of the key passes all had attempts on our goal.

In terms of rating Whoscored which is more reliable than your tabloids gave him the 2nd highest rating for Man City after Rodri. KDB was not as bad as you are painting him. This is pure emotion from you.

Doc KDB was poor yesterday, everybody saw it. He loss possession needlessly in dangerous positions, couldn't string passes together, his passes were wayward and he was lacking extra yard of pace, he can win second balls, infact for the Luke Shaw goal he was found wanting, Shaw outwitted him in midfield to breeze into City's half. Where ever whoscored or whatever statistics site come up with their metric i dont know. Everyone who watch the game saw Clearly that KDB was off colour, i dont need whoscored to tell me that. Most of those his key passes where freekicks and coner kickss that a city player had a crack on like the ones I saw Gundogan and Stones had, let that not decieve you

JayromWrites:
I read where Grealish rated Bruno and KDB as the best Midfielders in the league and he wasn't even talking about goals and assists.. The comment was related to top first touch and passes


Yeah I will admit, I wish he could just calm down sometimes... There was an instance yesterday where he went pass two or three Man City players only to overhit his pass to Martial


But then, there is no perfect player

I am not saying Bruno is perfect, infact I dont have any issues with anybody saying that even Mason Mount is better than him. But my anger is Bruno’s mistakes are so amplified to high heavens, if you see the way people bombed Bruno you will think he murdered someone. Bruno is not particularly that extremely talented if you watch him closely, but his drive and professionalism is making him perform very well most times. Go and watch Zidane, Xavi, Scholes etc they misplace passes too and not all their passes come off

Almajirihunter:
Same person that won best midfielder of the 2019-2020 Champions league campaign.

Individual

[s][/s]Bundesliga Young Player of the Year: 2012–13[201]
Bundesliga Player of the Year: 2014–15[202]
Bundesliga Team of the Year: 2014–15[203]
UEFA Europa League Squad of the Season: 2014–15[204]
Footballer of the Year (Germany): 2015[41]
France Football World XI: 2015[205]
Belgian Sportsman of the Year: 2015[206]
Manchester City Player of the Season: 2015–16,[207] 2017–18,[208] 2019–20[209]
Manchester City Goal of the Season: 2019–20[210]
FIFA FIFPro World11: 2020[211][212]
FIFA FIFPro World11 2nd team: 2018[213]
FIFA FIFPro World11 3rd team: 2016[214]
FIFA FIFPro World11 nominee: 2019 (8th midfielder)[215]
IFFHS Men's World Team: 2017,[216] 2019,[217] 2020[218]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2017,[219] 2019,[220] 2020[221]
ESM Team of the Year: 2017–18,[222] 2019–20[223]
PFA Team of the Year: 2017–18 Premier League,[224] 2019–20 Premier League[225]
Premier League Playmaker of the Season: 2017–18 (16 assists), 2019–20 (20 assists)
UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2017–18,[226] 2018–19,[227] 2019–20[228]
EA Sports FIFA Team of the Year: 2018,[229] 2019,[230] 2020[231]
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2018[232]
Premier League Goal of the Month: November 2019,[233] July 2020[234]
Premier League Player of the Season: 2019–20[235]
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2019–20[119]
UEFA Men's Player of the Year Award: 2019–20 (2nd place)[236]
UEFA Champions League Midfielder of the Season: 2019–20[237]
World Soccer's Men's World Player of the Year: 2020 (2nd place)[238]
Goal 50: 2019–20 (2nd place)[239]
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2020[218]
IFFHS UEFA Team of the Decade: 2011–2020[s][/s]

Please bring your guys individual honors, I didn’t bring team trophies because you’d say KDB have always been in a billion quids team

Tell me his international accolades, tell me a single international tournament where he led a star studded Belgium to great hieghts.

Tell me a single EPL Season KDB led his team to the league title as the PFA player of the season, just like RVP, Rooney, Giggs, VVD, Cantona, Vidic, Henry, Van Nistelrooy, etc.

Tell me how KDB lost consecutive UCL quater finals to average teams like Monaco, Spurs, Lyon and 4th Placed Liverpool.

Give these details not some useless polling booth awards like Goal.com top 50 midfielders. I also noticed that you are not that versed in football if not you wont go and do mindless lifting from Wikipedia.

afrodoc2:
Bros KDB had EIGHT key passes in yesterday's game o. He couldn't have been that bad. All Man Utd players combined for 5 key passes.

All of us saw the way he was delivering wayward passes to no man's land, losing possession in dangerous areas.

His team is losing from the first minutes. He is the attcking midfielder, his team had the ball most of the match, what do you expect? Mind you half of those key passes were aimless crosses into the box that was easily dealt with by maguire. All credible football tabloids stated that KDB was poor and many City fans were even calling for him to be dropped to regain form. So I didn't just make the point on my own.

Almajirihunter:
I watch matches live on TV not post match reviews on sites. Asides rashford and Dan James can you tell me a United player that Bruno put in a shift more than on the pitch yesterday. I believe you’re joking with this question , well for someone who says KDB is a low budget Ashley Young not much is expected

You need to take that your TV to an engineer because I am suspecting you saw someone with a blond hair and thought it was KDB. In case you dont know Alexandre ZINCHENKO was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday, so you are mistaken him to KDB, go and repair your TV resolution I think thats your problem

Almajirihunter:
I watch matches live on TV not post match reviews on sites. Asides rashford and Dan James can you tell me a United player that Bruno put in a shift more than on the pitch yesterday. I believe you’re joking with this question , we’ll for someone who says KDB is a low budget Ashley Young not much is expected

Oga mention to me what KDB has achieved in his career at 29 years. Stop beating around the bush.

-Mention his international accolades, despite playing with world class players for all his career

- Mention one UCL key moment he has delivered despite being surrounded by an over 1 billion pound team mates and a world class manager.

Stop misqouting me, I said KDB was spamming crosses into the box yesterday like Low Budget Ashley Young, stop changing my statements.

JayromWrites:
Take away his goals and assists(which are the most important metrics of football)

Bruno's mentality and passion is the reason I can't hate the guy


He is someone that can bleed for the team.. we need top players with that mentality.


Even though he can be frustrating atimes with his passes, my love for Fernandes grew after that moment

Bruno’s passes are not as bad as they paint, its haters that keep amplifying it to make themselves feel better. Check his passing accuracy its not bad. Almost every player gives away passes sometimes. Even yesterday he delivered a lot of dangerous searching passes, his touches were crisp and work rate was superb, but one unsuccessful pass, Whap!!!!! """he gives away passes"""

I was watching Real Madrid versus Valladolid last week and Modric misplaced quite a few passes, the commentator mentioned that if you want to create chances to devastating effect you have to sacrifice some accuracy and risk some and many will be intercepted. The commentator went ahead to mention " Bruno Fernandes of Manchester United" thats to tell you how Bruno is reverred in the world football. If one low budget hater place cant understand this that's their own cup of tea.

Almajirihunter:
You’re trying so hard to paint that KDB isn’t a good player which to anyone is absurd.
Let me put it this way
Who’s the better player this season- Bruno
Who’s the better player generally- KDB.
Asides the goal Bruno scored overall yesterday KDB was better especially in the second half if you watched the game, Yes he scored a goal but tbh there were about 8-9 United players who played better

How is KDB better overall? You have not presented to me any argument to that effect. You are talking trash, every credible site, stated that Bruno was far better yesterday, but if in your biased view you think otherwise i cant help you.

KDB’S team were losing right from the first minute, what did he do? He set out losing possession in dangerous areas, cant deliver any reasonable pass good pass, breaksdown attack with wayward passes and keep pumping aimless crosses into the box like low budget Ashley Young.
You should have kukuma said Bruno is the worst player on the pitch why say man united 9 to 8 player?
If I ask you a simple pertinent question on what has KDB achieved in his career now at 29, you will run away.

Almajirihunter:
KDB collect your babe??

Tell me one single point i made there that is not true

patrickmuf:
Nobody will say it but bar the miss, I thought Martial played his role to perfection...

This is not me trying to big up Martial though but then, somebody has got to praise him when he does well...

As for those slandering De Bruyne, you guys should know Jesus 8s one of the most useless CF around...

Sterling? That guy must have Wan-Bissaka...

Yeah martial did well

patrickmuf:
Liverpool? Baba no be you suppose dey yarn this kind yarn...

The Liverpool that knocked out City scrapped top 4, they were at that time still not the winning machine they turned out to be.