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Eruditor:
So football club Celtic are tier 1? They won the UCL years ago and are still "competitive" till date.

They are not competitive financially. United Chelsea and say Barcelona are still competitive both on the pitch and financially

Eruditor:
But they have 3 Europa "Major trophy" cups, no? 3 of the last 4 if I can count too.

You dont understand my point. The major trophy means they are competitive, they have secured their tier 1 status long ago

ctuagent007:
Hahaha....I understand sha which means should either of PSG or City win the ucl, they automatically enter the Tier 1 level.
Just imagining utd, Shekpe & the likes going trophyless for 10-20 years esp EPL & ucl trophies & then they become Tier 2 clubs abi @CapC

If they win UCL they join.
Once those clubs are still competitive, they are tier 1

Eruditor:
So Sevilla are greater than City and are tier 1?

You know it in your heart that the FA Cup, Carling and Europa cup are not major trophies (I can let the last one pass but it is not as important as it used to be). Only league titles in respected leagues and the champions league make up the major trophies. If you argue against this, then you cannot justify why Arsenal FC should not be tier 1. In the last 4 seasons they have been hugely more successful than United (winning 3 "major" trophies, 3 "minor" trophies) and finishing higher than United in the league in all 4 seasons.

Do you see how it works? Oya, change the argument back to pedigree and how many titles United have won in their history.

Sevilla doeant have UCL just like city. Both are tier 2.

Eruditor:
So Sevilla are greater than City and are tier 1?

You know it in your heart that the FA Cup, Carling and Europa cup are not major trophies (I can let the last one pass but it is not as important as it used to be). Only league titles in respected leagues and the champions league make up the major trophies. If you argue against this, then you cannot justify why Arsenal FC should not be tier 1. In the last 4 seasons they have been hugely more successful than United (winning 3 "major" trophies, 3 "minor" trophies) and finishing higher than United in the league in all 4 seasons.

Do you see how it works? Oya, change the argument back to pedigree and how many titles United have won in their history.

Sevilla doeant have UCL

ctuagent007:
Therefore according to u, Tier 1 like Utd, Shekpe & Liverpool should have been picked ahead of PSG since they are former champs of the ucl.

So according to ur analogy, England wey no sabi ball na Tier 1 as them don win the WC before unlike Belgium wet be Tier 2 or Tier 3.


U still haven't answered by Tier 2s are rated highly than some Tier 1 to win the ucl or the WC?

That not what i mean, My point is psg being the bookies favourites doesnt put them above the above clubs.

Yes England is a big footballing nation far bigger than Belgium. Belgium have not won the world cup and have not won anything of note in their history. And dont always qualify for international tournaments. England have qualified for almost all the world cups and won one. Placing Belgium ahead of England by the bookies doesnt mean Belgium is a bigger footballing nation than England.

Eruditor:
LOL. So Arsenal with 3 of the last 4 FA Cups are what? Is the argument now between City and United? Who in their right senses will argue City over United?

As you can see, you are changing the argument. Carling Cup, FA Cup and Europa together are not equal to or better than 1 EPL. If that was not the case, nobody would troll Liverpool because Gerard Houllier won all such trophies in one season (2001) and everyone keeps asking them for their EPL.

United are a massive club via trophy hauls and financial power as well. If the argument was about recency, then United would be minnows. Hope you see my point.

The financial power of United is one of the reasons they are tier 1 now not about their history. Same as City.

League cup, FA cup and europa league are major trophies so is League title. United are not minnows recently, they have won 3 major trophies in 18 months, so what are you saying? I am not talking about history recently united have won more trophies than city.
Its not only Financial power that is making united great they have won things to go alongside.

hinohsend:
Is Aston Villa a Tier 1 club?

No. That was why i did not bother mentioning then, together with Nothingham forest, they are no longer competitive in the highest level. Liverpool United Chelsea Milan Bayern are still competitive even till date.

For City and PSg case, they do not have enough league titles and UCL to elevate them even based on their recent performances despite the money push in there

ctuagent007:
CapC,
I understand the logic of Tier 1 & 2 but why was PSG the 4th bookmakers favorite to win last yr & this yr UCL since they are according to u a Tier 2?

Belgium is not a tier 1 footballing nation, but they are among bookmakers favourites to win the world cup. You cant. Even Belgium is not more of a bigger footballing nation than Nigeria. A lot of situations warrant bookmakers prediction which doesn't ussually happen.
PSG might be the bookies favourites but are not at par with Madird, Bayern, Barca, United, Milan and arguably Chelsea.

Eruditor:
I hope you can see how you shifted timeline to 5 years to accommodate United and went back to pedigree to rescue Liverpool from your own argument o.

3 major trophies? Any of them bigger than the EPL in the same 3 year time span you were just pointing at me o? Leicester won the EPL once in the last 2 seasons.

But they are major trophies. City did not even have those "trophies not bigger" than EPL. United won 3 major trophies in one and half year. City has just 1 in 3 years. Liecester has 1 major trophy in 2 years, United has 3. Thats the point. United are a massive club and are still winning till this moment. City are not.

Eruditor:
So Liverpool is worse off than Porto and Celtics based on recent form?

So Brendan Rodgers actually got a better job than the one he was sacked from?

So Leicester City is a bigger club than United?

Recent form agrees with the analogies.

Liverpool has massive massive pedigree to show, just like Ac milan and inter. Unlike city. So Brendan Rodgers got a lower job.

Man United have won the league at least in the last 5 years and most importantly have won the UCL which Leicester have not, while still amassing 3 major trophies in the last 18 months liecester did not. That most recent trophy haul elevated then above Liverpool as the most successful club in Britain. Massive club.

Eruditor:
Why 3 years that is my argument?

recent form. Even if you take it to 10 years or 7 years to exactly capture the best possible City trophy haul period, they still did not best Porto or Celtic.

Eruditor:
You are adjusting the timeline dishonestly that is my point. If any player leaves PSG today to go to Porto it will be seen as a relegation. The reason being PSG are a financially tier 1 football club at the moment.

Same for City. Rumors filtered earlier in the season that Messi's clause could be triggered by City and Barca did not treat it with levity. This could not have happened 50 years ago.

It is beyond winning continental titles per se because Aston Villa has won more than Chelsea FC yet John Terry moving there was seen as a decline.

Not everything should be argued to a halt because Dayo is involved. That is what is happening now.

Dayo is a known master dribbler.

Eruditor:
Are they tier 1 clubs that is the issue? Abi don't they have more titles than Chelsea?

Porto and City Crashed out of the champions league the same stage last season. And City have not won the league or any trophy of note in the last 3 years so is porto. Celtic have won their league last year. and just like city have not won UCL of recent

Eruditor:
Pelle's first league cup was in 2014. His 2nd in 2016.

The last 3 league cup winners.
2015 Chelsea.

2016. Man city.

2017. Man United

1 league cup in 3 is correct.

elrony:
Doesn't still make em a tier 1 club in the scheme of things

They should take several seats back when chairmen are discussing

Dont mind them, a club with 2 league titles in half a century and no continental title is not a big Club. Just because Ifeanyi Uba pushed his oil money into Ifeanyi Uba FC of Nnewi and Ikechukwu Ezenwa the super Eagles GK is there doesnt make it on par with AlAhly, Esperance and Enyimba.

Eruditor:
Why is City's own 2 league titles in 50 years but Chelsea's since the turn of the premier league as we know it? Chelsea should have 4 EPL titles in 50 years too.

And Aston Villa, FC Porto, Celtics are the big clubs?

They have more league titles and Champions league than city.

Eruditor:
City? Mancini had 1 FA Cup. Pellegrini had 2 League Cups. To add to their 2 titles in 7 years of tier 1 money investments.

I said in 3 years. For 3 years now City have won just 1 league cup.

Eruditor:
Why is City's own 2 league titles in 50 years but Chelsea's since the turn of the premier league as we know it? Chelsea should have 4 EPL titles in 50 years too.

Its 5 actually, but with further numerous FA Cup and league cups, 2 Europa league and the big one in 2012. Chelsea has 2 league titles and a league cup in 3 years. City has 1 league cup in 3 year. Both history and recently.

raumdeuter:
Maybe Ruduger is young and moving up in his career, Now bugger than Roma compared to the chumps who cant cut it at big clubs and went to Roma to retire

Man city is not yet a big club, Only clubs that has won Champions league are eligible to be a big club. Man city is on par with Monaco, Arsenal, PSG, Sevilla, Roma, Spurs, Athletico Bilbao etc. Rudiger went from a tier 2 club Roma to a tier one club Chelsea with 3 league titles , Champions league and Europa league in the last ten years. Kolarov and Dzeko move from Tier 2 to Tier 2. Man city has won 2 league titles in 50 years and no champions league Roma has also won 2 in 50 years. They are mates. So no shame for Dzeko and Kolarov. Rudiger is in a more bigger club than City both in history and recently

raumdeuter:
You are allowed to insinuate anything you want. Real Madrid is 2nd so they are par with Ukrainian league Shaktar Donetsk

Capitalcee Real Madrid = Shaktar

No, real Madrid is in Laliga and laliga has sevilla and madrid well placed in second and Barcelona on top of their grooup also from Laliga, it cannot be compared with burndisleaguedown that has bayern as the only club representing the league in R 16.
EPL has 5, Laliga 3, Seria A 2 maybe 3, Ukraine 1, Turkey 1 portugal 1 Russia 1 Burnthisleaguedown 1. So Stop dragging your superiors laliga down the drain with you.

Burnthisleaguedown is on par with Ukranian league Russian league, Turkish league and Portuguese league.

raumdeuter:
Someone won the trophy, Monaco didnt. Someone reached the final Monaco didnt.

That doesn't masked the fact that bundesliga has only won 2 UCL since the turn of the century. EPL has 4 and 9 finals. This season Burnthisleaguedown is rivaling Ukranian league for knockout stage spots.

raumdeuter:
And does it mean they will win? Surely EPL is having a better season since Bundesliga teams are having a stinker currently.

Its a good indication that Burnthisleaguedown is at par with Ukranian league, shakter donesk is 2nd so is bayern.

raumdeuter:
Monaco didnt reach a CL final, they didnt won a CL like either Bayern or Dortmund

Bad logic. You mentioned reaching a stage. I knocked it down with monaco you swirled away.

raumdeuter:
WHat is the end result of this 2017/18 campaign? Is it that the EPL has won the CL or what exactly are you celebrating?

The fact that bundesliga will produce just one R16 representative and EPL is on the verge of boasting 5 with Four winning their groups.

raumdeuter:
Dortmund reached the final in 2013

Bayern won in 2013

Tell me any EPL club that has won or reached the final more recently than those 2 above

EPL has been more successful than bundesliga recently. But going by your logic League one is better than bundesliga(although appears to be true) since Monaco reached semi-finals more recently than bundesliga thrashing Dortmund home abd away in the process.

raumdeuter:
Basically Roma has been to the CL quarters a decade ago. while Man City still made the CL quarters 2yrs ago

A move from man City to Roma is a huge step down because City as it is is one of the biggest clubs in Europe financially and Roma still is the place where expired old players go to get their last paycheck like Dzeko Kolarov Cashley Cole, Maicon, Vermalean and Seydou Keita or mediocre players go to get games like Gervinho Sczezny, Mohd Sallah El Sharawy

All these players I mentioned played for Roma at some time in the last 3 seasons

But Rudiger plays for a bigger club that man city

raumdeuter:
Makes no sense try harder

Bundesliga still won the CL more recently than your league, Dortmund still made the CL final more recently than any team in your league

Its not true. In the past 20 years bundesliga has won just 2 CL. Making just 5 finals combined. But EPL has won 4 and reached 9 finals. The best of the lot Bayern has won it twice and reached the final 4 times exactly same with Man United. Even in Europa league that Chelsea 2x, United and Liverpool has won it with Middlesbrough, Fulham and Liverpool again reaching the finals.

raumdeuter:
What has Roma done this season? They are still a tier 2 club.. They have never(not sure) made a CL quarter and won their league once in the past 30yrs

So someone playing for Roma now means what? few seasons ago Yanga-Mbiwa was their starting defender and Rudiger too

Roma has been to quater finals 2 consecutive times 2007-2008. That been said, Man city is still not more successful than Roma in Europe and they both occupy top spots in their respective groups. A move from man city to Roma is not necessarily a move down.
Rudiger is getting games in a team that is currently Man citys home Champions with bigger pedigree and far better recent and past success. Rudiger is playing at a bigger club than City.

With Farmers like Dortmund who could not be Apollo FC over 2 legs and FC lipstick who are crawling in one of the easiest group in the champions league together with Part-timers like Cologne abi na Perfume,Hertha berlin etc loosing upandan in Europa. I think its safe to say that burndisleaguedown is at par with Scottish premier league. My great grandmother will wrap up the league with Bayern by February. ONE TEAM LEAGUE.

Cc. Raumdueter

raumdeuter:
Roma is just a tier 2 club. Like Sevilla It shows that when Dzeko and Kolarov were beyond their useful ages they cant cope with top level football and dropped from a tier 1 to a tier 2 club

Just like Rooney

Roma is not at the same level with Everton. Even Man City is not yet more successful than Roma this season as they both Top their respective champions league groups so give them a break

lordfalcao:
i disagree. How will Alonso mark sharawey when elshareway didn't hold or move the ball.? That ball was dropped ahead of Alonso and el sharawey. He ran fastest and took a one time shot! There is nothing Alonso could do there. You don't mark shots, you mark when a player moves with the ball. The only thing that showed there is Alonso's lack of pace.

Look at that gif again its not lack of pace, its simply lack of awareness and lazy attitude. Elsharawy saw the ball lumped into Chelsea's near post, so do Alonso( watch closely his eyes are clearly on the ball) Elsharawy RAN PAST him, to meet the lose ball close to him, Alonso did not even run a yard, he was just jogging. its clearly poor awareness and lazy attitude. If i am his manager, i will not be happy with him. And even where was the 3rd central defender? or the defensive midfieder to clean up?