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JasonSleek:
NO SINGLE NATION IN THE WORLD CAN INVADE CHINA.

Now don't go there . The last time Us Navy entered the Chinese border, what did they do ?

US and RUSSIA have what it takes to invade china

Peacefullove:
Second ressurection - John 5:28,29 some who experience this ressurection will face second death. This doesnt happen in first ressurection.


You agree 1Thess is first ressurection . it follows that anyone who will rule with Jesus will have to die. Which bring about the DELAY for the living

Your Bible said Its anyone experiencing first ressurection that get to rule with Jesus.



Answered.

Have followed your posts on NL. Like the way you do handle points . let me add that 1Corinthians 15 describe first ressurection as ressurection as a Spirit being and a ressurection to immortality , for anyone to claim A ressurection involving unrighteous people is a first ressurection is delusion of the highest order . so unrighteous people will be raised to immortality or what ?

OLAADEGBU:
Straw Man fallacy.

Respond nah
Are the 144,000 natural isrealites ?

OLAADEGBU:
Twisting the scriptures is the JWs fort. I knew you wouldn't be able to see the correlation with communion because you are as blind as a bat.

What our Lord Jesus meant that without the washing of their feet there can be no fellowship with Him. This was the Passover Feast which speaks of His resurrection and ascension to heaven. The Passover is now known as the Lord's Supper and If you don't partake in the Lord's Supper as He has commanded His followers to do you have no part with Christ.

That very much applies to you, check below to see proof

The thief on His right did partake of Christ spiritually and if he would have taken part of the Lord's Supper in obedience if he had the opportunity to but JWs do not partake in this ordinance because you have no part with Christ.

So do you know you just proved that someone can actually partake of Christ spiritually WITHOUT physical partaking? That's one.

You said earlier " What I said was that the spiritual partaking leads to the physical partaking "

If it leads to physical partaking and the man didn't do that, that NULLIFY your claim that the man partake of Christ spiritually, , he didn't complete the process of partaking Christ spiritually according to Olaadegbu !!! When Jesus said " UNLESS you eat " so don't bring that no opportunity excuse, the word " unless" at John 6:53,54 gives no room for excuses

Except you are ready to agree that partaking spiritually has nothing to do with physical partaking.?

Lying is your fortress but the truth will find you out. You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

Just as your lies on this thread

Jewessgratitude:
Are you sure you truly love this guy? I don't think so otherwise this shouldn't be a problem or bother u.

Now, there are different reasons people marry for.

Some marry for wealth
Some marry due to societal pressure
Some marry for procreation
Some marry for true love
Some marry for sex.
Now from the way you're sounding, it obvious its because of sex you're going into this marriage, reason he's 2mins sex is giving you so much concern.
I dont see anything wrong here as long as he can impregnate you with it and if you really love and feel something for him, you won't want to let go just because of sex.

Sex doesn't define true love. It is your ability or willingness to stay with him even in his challenges that spells true love.
So what if he was 3hrs man and after marriage something happens and he can't even achieve an erection, youll leave him right? Of course you would because that is the only thing you like about him which doesn't connote true love.

Let me tell you something, before I became celibate, my ex suffered such then but I didnt bother cos all I wanted was to be around him, look at his face, Play with him, laugh and see him happy. Even though he was afraid I would leave him because of that but it never crossed my mind to do so even one day. I loved him to scatter. And I still love him till tomorrow. Yes!

If its sex that is taking you into that marriage, please look for someone who can give it to you as you want now o cos you don't love this guy enough to condone that aspect of him. Dont go and start committing adultery.

True love covers all.

This is why premarital sex is never a yardstick for sexual compatibility.

OLAADEGBU:
"Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with Me"◄ John 13:8 ►

Stop twisting the scriptures , it leads to destruction ... It says nothing about communion, Jesus was washing their feet

Not so fast. I did not say it has nothing to do with literal partaking if you understand English. What I said was that the spiritual partaking leads to the physical partaking and since you and your JWs gang do not partake in Christ spiritually you have no reason to partake of the physical Lord's Supper because you have no part with Christ.

So why didn't that Thief on Jesus side partake before Jesus Promise him Paradise ? That means the man didn't partake of Christ spiritually and yet gain everlasting life ?

Come and tell another lie . Waiting for you

OLAADEGBU:
If you have everlasting life you will obey the Lord's command to partake in the physical communion. What Jesus was referring to in the verse you quoted there was about partaking of Him spiritually which is more real than a physical partaking. The physical partaking is a sign that you have partaken of the Lord spiritually.

Good, you agree it has nothing to do with literal partaking, Like your silly copy and paste claims . Everything else you wrote is nonsense

Barristter07:

Not everyone is silly okay.

Eccl 12:7 says this spirit is present in every one. And it returns to God. So everyone has holy spirit ?


I wonder how you claim to be able to instruct when your own knowledge is still far below

Punch

OLAADEGBU:
Can you point out what is false about the expose on JW theology?

I think I did that

1. Prove that Jesus statement at John 6:53,54 is a reference to communion

2. That the 144,000 are natural isreals .

Those two claims are false .

MightySparrow:
You are still what I call you, forget about self defense, buy three or four versions of the Bible, don't use a concordance,. be honest, Eccl. 12: 7 is just one
of the scriptures about spirit / The Holy Spirit. You mentioned pastorpreneur, that is the way you see it. You are a follower of a pastor an interpreter as any of the scriptures. You may want to deny it, but you are. If others can be wrong, so are your leaders. But the scriptures are open to anyone to read and understand. If the current church I attend is not making sense to me by my own search and research of over 30 years I will quit. Although, knowledge starts with indoctrination, then, personal findings. I am not a member of Deeper Life, my denomination not necessary. I read anything to stay in the middle of the road, I read the Bible more . I am currently studying two books written by C. T. Russell himself and have been doing that for over 30 years. He is just another interpreter like any other. In my search, the idea of 1914 celebrated by JW was not originally his. He too was a repeater of other people's ideas. Bro. get down to work! Shalom.

What !!! everyone has holy spirit then ? See them oooo ,

Did I just read that ?

alBHAGDADI:
You people are heretics damning people to hell

Which hell? The same one Jesus said people go with their body ?

alBHAGDADI:
Exodus 1 (KJV)
1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.
2 Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah,
3 Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin,
4 Dan, and Naphtali, Gad, and Asher.
5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.

Revelations 7:4-8
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand

First, it’s important to note that there are 13 named tribes in Israel, not twelve. Jacob bore twelve sons, but later Jacob adopted Joseph’s two sons in place of Joseph after moving to Egypt. Thereafter, the sons of Jacob were:

Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Ephraim, Manasseh, and Benjamin

Secondly, there are at least 19 lists of Jacob's sons given in the Old Testament: Gen. 35:22-26; 46:8-25; 49:3-27; Exod. 1:2-5; Num. 1:5-15; 2:3-31; 13:4-15; 26:4-51; 34:19-28; Deut. 27:12-13; 33:6-25; Josh. 13:7-22; Judg. 5:12-18; 1 Chron. 2:1-8:40; 12:24-37; 27:16-22; Ezek. 48:1-7, 23-28, 31-34

Reviewing these lists, we usually find all thirteen tribes included though sometimes a tribe is left out (usually Levi). For example, in Numbers 1, 2, 13, and 26, the tribe of Levi is left out. In other cases, Joseph’s two sons, Ephraim, and Manasseh are combined under just the name Joseph.

Are you saying the 144,000 are natural isrealites ?

alBHAGDADI:
Before I answer your question, first of all tell me if your JW fakers claiming to be among the 144,000 today are virgins.

answer him, Are the apostles first fruits or not ? Let's see if they are not part of the 144,000 . U see your life

Barristter07:
Emphasis on " First fruits "

Are the apostles First fruits of God ?

OLAADEGBU:
What does the Bible say?

The Communion supper is for the body of Christ--for the believers. The bread and the wine represent the body and the blood of Christ that was sacrificed for the believer so the believer could have redemption of his sins. Therefore, Communion is only for those people who have trusted in Christ's sacrifice. Communion is not for those who are not covered by Christ's sacrifice. This is significant since the great majority of the Witnesses do not take communion.

Paul the apostle said that the bread is a sharing in the body of Christ--that there is only one body of Christ (the church) of which we all partake. Within the Christian Church, there is no limitation on the who takes the Lord's supper.

• "Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? 17Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread. 18Look at the nation Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers in the altar?" (1 Cor. 10:16-18, NASB).
• And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight." (Acts 20:7, NASB).

There is no mention of limiting communion to anyone except that they examine themselves and rightly discern that the elements represent Christ's sacrifice and not a mere meal to satisfy hunger.

• "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself, if he does not judge the body rightly." (1 Cor. 11:28-29, NASB).

No place in the Bible is communion restricted to only the 144,000--as the Witnesses teach. This is a fabrication of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. The fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses do not take communion is a demonstration that they are not in the body of Christ and do not have a covenant relationship with Christ. The Lord's Supper is meant for the body of believers in the true and living God who have been redeemed by the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord's Supper is not for those who are outside the camp of Christ. Since the great majority of the Jehovah's Witnesses do not take communion, this is a testimony against them.

According to your ideology, John 6:53,54 is a reference to communion, let me test your IQ

Can someone have everlasting life if they do not eat the communion ?

Joagbaje:
@OP
The 144,000 are the individuals sealed from the natural 12 tribes of isarel. 12,000 from each if the tribes. It's different from those  from the church and those saved from other nations.

They are not from natural isreal. The context doesn't support that.

If a born again man leaves the earth , he goes to heaven immediately .

What goes to heaven straight ?

Only 144,000 are bought from among men.

capitalzero:
no. billions will live forever on Earth because Earth not heaven has been given to sons of men.

Thank you o

Ndipe:
144,000 thousand people referred to (and falsely taught by Jehovah's witness as only those who would go to heaven) are actually drawn from the tribes of Israel.

http://www.wake-up.org/Revelation/Rev144.htm

Natural isrealites ?
Biggest delusion ever .

kieryn:
I don't get it. If you lower than the lowest person in school, that lower than those in nursery, than you not in school. .....I don't get it.

U have sense

mygirrl:
There are more than 144,000 peoplle in heaven. John the baptiste made heaven but because he started to doubt that Jesus was the messaih Jesus said he will be the least in heaven

Jesus didn't say he will be the least but the least will be greater than him . Meaning He won't be there

Remove all your other assumptions

rottennaija:
Really?

Stop spreading fake news

rottennaija:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ek8tt5/breaking_news_from_japan/?

captivator, Barristter07 , Maximus69, niaralandtopuser, joyandfaith, Janosky, TATIME

You really need to be ashamed of yourself.

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Jozzy4:
Diversion? Are you okay?

Am showing you proves that you teach two destinations .


My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH.


The bold says what ?

So much for Mr show me where . Stating where already. Two destinations

Cc: captivator, Barristter07 , maximus69

Nailed.

achorladey:
I know that you are a BRAIN doctor you should know If I had sense or not.

Now look at the materials you cited..... Carries John 3:16. I believe you know what is RECORDED in there. the only THING needed is to tell us, where it is written that the EVERLASTING LIFE will be spent by SOME in HEAVEN and many OTHERS on EARTH. Hahahahaha.

The title of the article you cited is interesting. Here it is..

EVERLASTING LIFE ON EARTH - A CHRISTIAN HOPE.

and in the course of the whole article we have

EVERLASTING LIFE IN HEAVEN - A CHRISTIAN HOPE.

You see YOUR TWO HOPES CONCEPT?

The watchtower I quoted earlier is it EXPIRED TRUTH or latest production? Hahahahahahaaha.

You have decided to close your eyes to the words in uppercase to see the TWO HOPES concept. You want to use the material you cited to cover it. Your palaver.

All boils down to WHETHER WHETHER WHETHER.

Jozzy4 already pointed out that everlasting life means to Live forever. " Live " in English means to remain alive and to make ones home in a particular place
According to the Bible, where will humans live forever ?

So to have any point, you must tell us where or which place the living forever will take place .

Why you are so desperately running from this question is what I don't phantom , scared of been exposed ?

achorladey:
I know that you are a BRAIN doctor you should know If I had sense or not.

Now look at the materials you cited..... Carries John 3:16. I believe you know what is RECORDED in there. the only THING needed is to tell us, where it is written that the EVERLASTING LIFE will be spent by SOME in HEAVEN and many OTHERS on EARTH. Hahahahaha.

The title of the article you cited is interesting. Here it is..

EVERLASTING LIFE ON EARTH - A CHRISTIAN HOPE.

and in the course of the whole article we have

EVERLASTING LIFE IN HEAVEN - A CHRISTIAN HOPE.

You see YOUR TWO HOPES CONCEPT?

The watchtower I quoted earlier is it EXPIRED TRUTH or latest production? Hahahahahahaaha.

You have decided to close your eyes to the words in uppercase to see the TWO HOPES concept. You want to use the material you cited to cover it. Your palaver.

All boils down to WHETHER WHETHER WHETHER.

The promise to become born again and have the hope of becoming a SPIRIT like God as taught by Jesus at John 3:6 is for whom ? And where do spirits live ?

achorladey:
I know that God is NOT senseless neither did the WRITER of Titus 1:2.

In your quest to TEACH TWO HOPES you have to add RAISED a QUESTION of "LIVE FOREVER AT WHERE". Yet a clear READING of the SCRIPTURES Titus 1:2 didn't raise any. last last it's to TEACH the TWO HOPES CONCEPT.



Pick out the ONE HOPE in Revelation 21:3,4 none. Pick it out in John 3 verse what again. None. It's a CONCEPT you want to DEFEND with whatever means available.

Does Revelation 21:3,4 teaches everlasting life on Earth ?

BiggyB242:
Reason why "wise" a man stick to the woman who was with him when he had nothing. Most women love you for your money but thank God not all, that's why I impress a woman with my personality rather than the comfort she thinks I can afford her.

Las las Na woman when go give us peace of mind naim we need, is neither beauty nor profession, but there are some ladies who come with the whole package though.

The bold says it all. #thumbs up

BiggyB242:
I pity your BF, that's if you have one for having such a mentality. You think those wealthy men today are wealthy because they hustle more. Life has its way, there are many contributed factors. Some acquire their wealth through illegal/dubious means, others came from a rich homes with connect, some the course they read isn't a favourable, others work their way to the top. etc.

This is the reason we have so many yahoo boys, ritualist etc just to prove to their women that they are "hustler".

Money changes men and women but that doesn't make what she's does right. Is like saying a lot of men cheat so you should a get a pass for cheating on an innocent man.

Deep words there.

Kholiwe:
it is supposed that God knows everything back or forward in time. From the very beginning of a human life, He knows if a person is gonna sin. If I know my little brother is going to take a bad way, I won't tell him: "The choice is yours"; I will take him off from that way,that's a love action not given him a choice.
The kind of love that forces a person to choose you every time is not love... that's a terrible perversion of love. Imagine a father who forced his young child to hug him, or a husband who forced his wife to be intimate with him... what a terrible picture that would be!

Now that is where u get it wrong.

I will give you two instances in the Bible that reveal the bolded is wrong

1. Genesis 22:12 , if God already knows Abraham will be faithful , why did he say after Abraham passed that ' NOW I KNOW you are Good fearing? '

2. Jeremiah 26:2,3 he sent Jeremiah to people of isreal but addss ' PERHAPS/MAYBE they will listen ' ? What does that indicate ?

The point is clear, God doesn't choose to foreknow our choices when it comes to right and wrong

funbat:
I thought God is Omni present, he knows every thing, and should know that Adam will disobey and prevent it.

God doesn't use his power to know to override our freewill , Read Genesis 22:12 , God said ' NOW I KNOW Abraham is God fearing ' meaning he didn't choose to foreknow Abraham's choices.

2

I thought Adam was a perfect human, does a perfect human still fall under temptation??...

Yes, cos perfect person has freewill. The difference is theirs is deliberate , they are not prone to sinful thoughts like imperfect human , see Luke 22:42 where a perfect man excercised his freewill

cc: Kholiwe

Kholiwe:
If the 'Forbidden Fruit' was 'forbidden', why did God keep it in Eden?


If God had the intention of keeping Adam in Eden, why did he keep that stupid fruit there?


Why was a test necessary that was bound to be failed by Adam?


Who is the best one, other than God, to know that Adam is going to fail the test?


If God wanted Adam to be fallen, why didn't He drop Adam on the face of the earth in the first place? Why did He apply the trick? Why was that trick necessary?

They are not robots, the tree represent God's rule over mankind. And their freewill can only be exercised where there are multiple choices .

Remove the tree and they are programmed robots that have no choices.

Men should have respect the boundaries the creator has set.