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Emusan:
It's so shameful how you people rely on external reference to counter scripture..

Or support scriptures ?

Pagans alone was reported by Scriptures to have celebrated birthdays

This is the same way your demonic organization keep referencing Atheists materials in other to proof a point.

And I asked the other time will you have agreed with the author of that encyclopedia if it was against JWs?

Now read this article from that same encyclopedia and tell me if you agree....

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Jehovahs-Witnesses

Lemme see your hypocrisy level.

Tell me your problem with the link, have no issues with it.

Even for you to agree with a quote from something you haven't verified yourself shows how dishonesty your are.

Just give me one evident that the quote exists from WB encyclopedia, all I'm asking is, the link to where you got the quote from....

Or you want to tell us that, at this age of information such quote from them can't be found on their website

Okay, provide their website ? Silly

Quote the passage from the scripture where God told the Israelites not to copy birthday practice of Egyptians and Canaanites....or God mentioned birthday as what they should do when they enter the land

I'm waiting...

Emphasis on " practices " . Egyptian celebrate birthday's, But you would never found Jews copy such pagan custom . Check that screenshot I gave you from a Jewish website quoting Josephus. Man just go and found somewhere to sit . U lack substance to discuss this topic

Emusan:
For the last time, where did Christ command you to GATHER ON SUNDAY?

I even made this point earlier but you stylishly boycotted it....





Delusions.....



My point remains, how will you take a quote you yourself haven't verified as truth just because it dances to your tune?

Just like I said earlier, your demonic organization knows exactly how to manipulate you people because they know none of you will bother to verify.

They did same thing in their publication Titled "Should you believe in Trinity?" and many others.

People who refute claim will take pictures, provide link and even original direct writing to support their claims.

What if I have done the same thing about JWs will you have swallowed it or asked me to provide the link?

You ain't wise, a wise person should have verified the quote then come back to refute. Till now, YoU can't refute. Shame

From a Jewish website, the same book was referenced again. So na watchtower write this screenshot below ?

http://www.hope-of-israel.org.nz/paganbirthdays.html

Emusan:
Just listen to your deluded self...so you don't know anything about the book yet you hold it as truth simply because the internet is full of such quote....

That's why your demonic organization will continue to play fast one you because they know you guys lack the capacity to carry out research on your own.



Are you saying internet isn't full of your demonic doctrines? Did you agree with them?


Just like I said, provide the link here and let's see if such actually exist or not that your demonic organization cherry-picked the quote as they like just as they usually do to any work.

I even gave you another Encyclopedia which is available online saying there was Strong opposition to Birthdays celebration in the first two centuries of Christianity due to it's pagan origin. You are still ranting, The burden of proof is on you to prove it that the quote from world book encyclopedia is wrong .

Still from your deluded brain...



Another baseless claim, adding to the scripture what scripture didn't say.

When God told the Israelites not to copy their practice, didn't God list ALL WHAT they need not to do?

Why birthday was not mentioned? You know more than God....

Who told you Birthday wasnt mentioned, You think mentioning two Birthdays celebration strictly from pagans is just a joke ?

Emusan:
The problem you're having is lack of assimilation....

Where did Christ COMMAND you to gather on Sunday....is the question you're still perambulating with since.

Are you saying what Paul teaches is not part of Christ command ?

Where exactly did they condemn Jesus birthday celebration?

2Corinthians 6:14-17 . A believer has no business cherishing the religious practices of pagans

I'm still waiting for your support data on this. Till then it's just your delusional idea.

The onus is on you to prove the quote isn't real . Until then you are the delusional one

Emusan:
Now it's from Jesus to Paul...but you're bragging quoting what Christ only COMMANDED before....mtcheeeee

Also, what Apostle Paul wrote isn't on Sunday but just "....not forsaken assembly together"

Well established enough, Sunday was chosen by the early Christians because it was the day Christ resurrected which is known as "The first day of the week" later "The Lord's Day"

But you and your demonic organization wants to push Christ resurrection to the bin.

Easter cover the period of Christ death to Christ resurrection.....What is your problem with that?

Na only Sunday we dey assembly together . U miss road Bro , see Act 2:42 Christians " continued devoting themselves to the TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLE "

So Heb 10:24,25 is one of those teachings

Where exactly did they teach Jesus birthday celebration or death day celebration?

Why was birthday a pagan custom to this early Christians ?

I don't need to because scripture silent on it so I don't need to say what scripture didn't say but for you, you turned youraelf to God to declare what God didn't say.

Are u sure u devote yourself to the teachings of Jesus and his apostles ?

Emusan:
Typical JWs....

How did you get the book That's the question....

imagine, telling me to do research on a book that even you yourself didn't know anything about or having it in possession.

I'm very sure, you haven't even seen the cover of the book talkless of laying your hands on it but just because your evil organisation made a quote from it, you must agree with it without verification.

You want to tell me every book you referenced in your Final Project Bibliography , was seen by you ? You are making a silly ASSERTION here man


The point here is: Did anyone said the book didn't state so ? Have you verified that the quote isn't true ? Funny enough it's quoted all over internet pages talking about birthdays


Facts laid bare . Birthday celebration is pagan religious custom

I assume Scripture is the Constitution here....so where was it written?

Jesus doesn't need to condemn but you and your demonic organization are in the right position to condemn...delusions!

It means you know more than Jesus....

So you didn't read where God specifically told the Isrealites not to copy the ways of the pagan nation's around them ? .. Birthdays is one of those practices in pagan religion, case study of the Egyptian Pharaoh in Genesis.

Emusan:
Where exactly did Jesus command you to go to your Hall on Sunday?

That's the question, since you're emphasizing on WHAT CHRIST COMMANDED....

But see your life, you have to quote another scripture to support your claim.

Unless it is not that same Jesus that inspired PAUL to be his apostle . So am still obeying Jesus .


Which one have you quote to support your claim of birthday and Easter celebration command ? None . Just some man made rules .

Emusan:
So how did you get the book?

Smile...everyone knows! Yet you can't provide support for your claim.

Will you agree with the author of that article had it been it was against JWs? Don't boycott my question again...

The Facts are there man, don't drag it ... Unless you are able to prove the book never said so . I challenge you to that.

Eh....eh...

But why Jesus didn't allude to this to warm His disciples as even a great event that taken the live of the only FORERUNNER of Christ?
No! it should be the best time for Christ to OPENLY CODEMN IT if the event can even take the live of the ONLY FORERUNNER of Christ.

Jesus doesn't have to condemn what his faithful followers already condemn .
It's like asking Buhari to condemn something the Constitution already condemn.

Isrealites we're told not to imitate the pagan practices of the nation's around them . Let it sink

Emusan:
Where exactly did Jesus command you to go to Hall on Sunday?

So you're acting out of Christ command....continue

Going to kingdom Hall is an Obedience to Hebrews 10:24,25 .

Show us where any apostle or followers of Christ encourage such pagan practice ?

Emusan:
I asked you to provide a link to your World Book encyclopedia you couldn't but you have to come up with another delusional article.

This was written by someone, do you agree with the person just because it's against Christmas?

Then will you agree with the author if he's article was against JWs?

He's not the first person to write against Christmas...

So I'm still waiting for the WB encyclopedia LINK

Mr, it's a Book ... Not website , I already gave you the reference and for the one I posted which was available online, Encyclopedia Brittanica , The facts are laid bare . Everyone knows it has pagan source. Google is your friend to read more

Olodo....Wasn't John the Baptist killed during the time of Jesus on birthday? The person who killed him, which tribe he is and his position?

Tribe ? Herod origin is from Edom. He didn't practice the Jewish religion either

Isn't the best time for Christ to condemn the practice?

We have many references in the scripture where Christ warned His disciples not to do things the way other do it.

Can you imagine, isn't the Fact that someone who doesn't have a good standing with God does it yet none of faithful ones does same, should ring a bell .

Emusan:
We can as well say you're celebrating the Christ death, right?



Where does Jesus command you to celebrate your Graduation?

Besides, You can use the word REMEMBRANCE in place of CELEBRATION so that your confusion can be cured.

Also, Christ resurrection established the Lord's Day which is the same Sunday you gather in your Hall to preach lies and deceits to your members.

Where exactly did Jesus command Easter ?

" teach them to observe the things I COMMANDED YOU " .

Emusan:
Provide the link here....Hypocrite!

Why do u love ignorance like these ...

I gave u the reference .

Here is another


Encyclopedia Brittanica

" In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus. Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays "

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas

So Jews are now our standard to know what is right. Continue.....

My point is, why Jesus didn't condemn it when He knows about it? Since He is aware of it before He died because [b]your point was, Jesus can't condemn what the apostles or early Christians didn't do.

Na was for you, in the society Jesus grew up in , they don't celebrate birthdays , so. Nothing to condemn in this regard . It's already societally frowned at , And interestingly his first set of disciples came from the same society , and they all also refrain from birthday celebration

Emusan:
Provide the link...Hypocrite!

Check Wikipedia and Brittanica too

For reference of the world book encyclopedia

WB Encyclopedia (volume 3, page 416) . That's the reference page . Go and do your assignment and get it.


Encyclopedia Brittanica

" In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus. Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays "

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas

So Jesus never heard of Birthday celebration before He died...Yet He condemned many Pharisees and Sadducees attitudes or are they not celebrating birthday

Are they not Jews ? Jews refrain from such practices due to their pagan sources .

Emusan:
What is memorial?

Luke 22:19,20 Lord's evening meal . As commanded : Do this in remembrance of me .

What is easter?

A teaching not commanded by Jesus , celebration of his ressurection .

Have you forgotten Matt 28:19,20 Teach them to observe what ? All the things Jesus command.


Where did Jesus command Easter ?

Emusan:
Can you provide a proved data for this?

World book Encyclopedia state " The early Christians did not celebrate His [Christ's] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone's birth to be a pagan custom."

There are many things you're doing today and weren't recorded in the Bible....so spare us that!

If Jesus didn't...
Did Jesus say you shouldn't do it or where did Jesus condemn it?

How can Jesus condemn in the Bible something none of his apostles or early followers never attempted ?

Emusan:
Did Jesus ask you NOT to celebrate His resurrection?



No be only Nissan na Toyota....

And who says He resurrected on Nisan 14




Easter is the celebration of the RISEN LORD JESUS, how is that your headache?

So he wasn't ressurected on Nisan 14, why are you now trying to weave Easter with Memorial ?

Men gave the command of Easter not GOD!

seanwilliam:
you've been scammed bros.. it takes a genius to understand the bolded

jcross19:
funny some people because they think they are wise then they begin to sound stupid.

Your question lacks substance, because the pagan origin is still there , to apply your illustration to Xmas.

If the shrine was claimed to be converted to church but a certain idol still stand in the door way, would you agree it's a Church ?

Likewise, Read up on how Early Christians view the celebration of anyone's birthday, it's idolatry . As long as you are celebrating birthdays , it's idolatry practices hence u didn't convert anything, do you even know that no servant of God celebrated their birthday in the Bible? Do you know that the only two birthday celebration recorded were done by pagans?

Keep your illustration in your pocket

Emusan:
The root of Christmas is the birth of Christ and the most important event that brings hope for everyone "The death & resurrection of Christ"

How does these pagan?

Which one do you have problem with....
1. The day The Birth of Christ is being celebrated or The actual Birthday of Christ itself?
2. The day Resurrection of Christ is being celebrated or the Death & Resurrection itself?

The early Christians view the celebration of anyone's birthday as a pagan custom . Many encyclopedias testify to this.

Even in the Bible, No servant of God celebrated their birthday . Even Jesus himself didn't , so where do you get your idea from ?

Emusan:
Yet you claim He died on Nisan 14....

So to you what is easter?

Did Jesus ask you to celebrate his ressurection ? Or was he ressurected on Nissan 14 too ? U wonder how Easter even came about for people who don't believe Jesus died talkless of been ressurected. Na im flesh die, not him.

joyandfaith:
Jesus celebrated passover in nissan 14, after passover he introduced lord super. passover used to be marked on nissan 14 .
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at dusk is the LORD's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD; seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work. And ye shall bring an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days; in the seventh day is a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work. ( Leviticus 23:5–8

Thank you o, scripture said Christ is our PASSOVER .

Emusan:
Your eternity doesn't come from Christ death rather from Christ resurrection....

Resurrection is the basis of Christianity....

What was ressurected , Jesus or ordinary body ?

Dem dey ressurect soul wey no die ?

paulGrundy:
@Hairyrapunzel , stop replying these guys they are derailing the thread.

Impersonator, explain Rev 21:3,4 because according to your Master , One hope means ressurection as spiritual beings in heaven. ??

But Rev 21:3,4 says Humans will live forever and death will be no more, human beings, earthly men not spiritual beings . Are you not in trouble ?

���� So funny i keep hearing the mantra" na love we go chop, abeg na guy that has money I dey find " ... Yet Ladies who marry rich men still go ahead and find that Love by complaining the business man doesn't have her time or doesn't make her feel like a woman , they keep crying on social media " There's no emotional closeness, am a woman, I need to feel loved " ... Gradually they go back to search that so called love and once a man give this *married women small attention which the Rich man couldn't give,They fell into adultery with the mantra " I don't know what came over me, it's devil " . I thought love and attention isn't important ?? Lol


That's one of the reasons Cheating in MARRIAGE keep rising, No thanks to IG and entire social media. That's where many married people both men and women , *KEEP SEEKING FOR THe LOVE AND ATTENTION they once sacrificed to get married ...*


Not saying it's wrong to go for financially capable man ... Not at all, but I only notice from things happening EVERYDAY that *Sacrificing* , take note of the word " Sacrificing " genuine affection for such shining offers usually backfires as one would STiLL seek that love and attention elsewhere if care is not taken .when Reality sets in.

achorladey:
I told you last last last last last last last last last we got to WHERE WE ARE HEADED for the PAST four to five pages.


Twoooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooooooooopes.


You can't EVEN write DESTINATION but HOPE. Just wasting your time on what is OPEN enough to see and I showed you EQUALLY that you believed in TWO HOPES.

I can hereby CONCLUDE that all YOUR MERRY-GO-ROUND only lead us to TWO HOPES through CORNER CORNER means we safely arrived at the DESTINATION.

Hahahahahaha.

Have a good night rest and enjoy the rest of your day.

I ask which hope is this, All you need to do is tell if it's not everlasting life
You can Remove Revelation 21:3,4 from your Bible. Intellectually lazy fellow.

achorladey:
Ask Paul grundy, how many times will I repeat this Oga the intelligent, WISE and MENTALLY STABLE CAPTIVATOR.

I therefore conclude you agree with him . Hence why you can't Wrong his quote .

Since you agree with him it means they will be ressurected to heaven as Spiritual beings .

I present to you Revelation 21:3,4 that says MEN, HUMANS, MANKIND, Earthly man ( not spiritual beings ) will die no more , Live forever on earth , Which Hope is this ?

achorladey:
You have no issues with the HOPE Hahahahahaha why are WE DISCUSSING DESTINATION then oooooo?

Where will You spend your everlasting life ?

achorladey:
Hahahahaha now I love to see how you keep Jumping from one POINT to another.

See what you typed EXPLAINING THIS ONE HOPE. Paul Grundy says.........hahahahahaha

When we go back to the THREAD it's sure my take on Titus 1:2 has been repeated times OVER.

It's now PAUL GRUNDY says.......

Is Paulgrundy submission In agreement with your take or against it ?

achorladey:
You go jump tire. Now it's Jesus give DESTINATION to 11 disciples. You want to ABANDON hope ooooo.

⚠ DIVERSION not allowed.

I have no issues with the Hope, I already tell you none of the destination change the Fact that it's the same single hope been enjoyed .

So everlasting life has no destination ?

Paulgrundy is wrong ?

achorladey:
State my view on the new Titus 1:2? Hahahahahaha. I didn't cite Paul Grundy oooooo. Na Titus 1:2 I cite. I told you DIVERSION no dey this EXPRESSWAY.

Ephesians 4:4 mention on hope .

Explaining this one hope , Paulgrundy says


This "one hope" is consistently stated to be a resurrection as spiritual beings to heaven.


Do you agree with him ?

achorladey:
Show us the TWO DESTINATION in Titus 1:2 and how it evolve into TWO HOPES.

Actually, it's you who need to tell where everlasting life will be spent ?

According to Paulgrundy it's heaven


This "one hope" is consistently stated to be a resurrection as spiritual beings to heaven.

Your inability to say it's wrong means You agree with him, accepted ?

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR has time tonight. Only that this expressway where we dey NO DIVERSION. Captivator must show is the DESTINATION in Titus 1:2. The two DESTINATION that evolved into TWO HOPES.

Was Jesus wrong to give destination to his 11 disciples ?