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One of my objections to Trinitarianism is that it depends on a distinction between “person” and “being” that is not articulated in Scripture.

also i believe that one of the biggest problems with the orthodox doctrine of Christ is that it is unintelligible and results in a person who is both A and non-A at the same time. We are told that the incarnate Christ was/is both “fully God” and “fully man”. As one who is “fully God” he is said to be omniscient, all-powerful, and omnipresent, yet as one who is “fully man” he would have to be limited in knowledge, power, and location. To say that a person can have all of these attributes at the same time is not just to utter something unintelligible, it is to affirm that which would normally be considered impossible. [size=28] The sentence “Jesus is all-knowing yet limited in knowledge” appears to have the same logical content as the sentence “Bob is a murderer who’s never killed anyone” or “Joe is a football player who’s never played football.”
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Non-Trinitarians such as myself and others don’t necessarily reject the idea of believing in something that one might call “mysterious” but we have a problem believing in that which is logically impossible.

Well, reason is part of the image of God that he stamped upon us to enable us to determine what is true and what is not true, and I can’t imagine why we’d discard that attribute when asking the most important question of all: Who/what is God?

exactly ! the moment I knew this doctrine is made up by all means to make Mary a God mother, is when someone claimed to be Almighty is also agreed to be limited in power at the same time . just as you state at bold they are forced to appeal to an unscriptural God - man concept . yet the same being claimed to be Almighty , CANNOT BE AN ALMIGHTY WHILE AS A MAN, HE HAS TO BE LIMITED IN POWER ... FOR WHAT ? why cant He still be all powerful even as a man?


Trinity is pure heresy .

solite3:
captivator can you answer this question

" God is a spirit "

dolphinheart:
READERS SHOULD PLS NOTE THAT HE HAS ADJUSTED THE ALLEGATIONS!
what he stated I said before is different from what he stated I said now!

lol, forget that guy . do u notice he has changed his status quo from " God and the Word are one God " TO " God and the Word are God " . since he realize he couldn't prove his former statement biblically.

dolphinheart:
sir can you tell us about the history of your church or organization?

gud question, solite3 ur answer pls

[quote author=solite3 post=46020752][/quote]jessicha , iron Lady is enough for u. go back and read her posts on this verses

solite3:
can you imagine yourself. go and hiden in shame. a proud liar

what is he saying ?

solite3:
you are the one who has comprehension problem, a person's personal belief is different from the belief of an organisation which claimed to be directed by Jehovah. You got that?

haba! am surprised u still find it hard to comprehend.

I belief my Christmas beliefs is from God , then. and am sure this same guy i cite as an example also belief once saved always saved is the true teaching from God.

can u see ? but it takes a humble and Spirit directed heart to change his understanding if he discovers its not fully scriptural

[quote author=solite3 post=46018040][/quote]nothing is wrong with debate except u fear ur belives been crushed. " So Paul and Barnabas engaged these men in sharp debate " Act 15:2
tell me paul and Barnabas are not Christian ?

[quote author=solite3 post=46017721][/quote]trashed concerning trinity.. how exactly ? wait , are u not the same man vomitting during ur chats with barrister about the most High Jehovah.


I read everything, u are a wounded lion. dolphinheart asks if u admit Jesus have a God , u cant answer , answering that question alone always send shivers into ur spine

shior

solite3:
[/quote]even if they were not in quote but it is misleading

what are you saying

scripture is not for private interpretation

sorry bro, comprehension is still your problem

truth doesnt change, but a persons understanding of truth can change . for example, there is a certain guy on this forum ( name withheld) who formerly believes in once saved,always saved. but later he changed his understanding on that subject. thats my point. he is humble enough to adjust. which is Commendable.

they were asking Jesus not making false statement

out of the abundance of the heart , the mouth speaks . they meant isreal

really?

Yes, u can create a thread on any of the aforementioned doctrine and invite me. lets examine them Scripturally

Trust me, u guys are kids ... None of u can debate the bible with a Jehovah Witness, cos witnesses are trained by Jehovah God himself.

the worst u can do is dig up events that happen before u are formed in the womb, at a period clearly different from now. even with thag Jehovahs Witnesses are progressing.

let me introduce you to the Live Jw Broadcasting channel TV.Jw.org and the best website ever Jw.org , accessible in over 500 languages of the world.

solite3:
already non of them claimed to be directed by Jehovah nor do they say they are the one true church.if they claim so, they become falseno Jehovah witness are not the only cult they are many. You are like a theif claming he is not the only one who steals no body hate you
you never admit to your lies thats the worse not just that, what about those Masonic symbols,what about Taze Russell's involvement in occult too many to list. A bad tree cannot produce good fruits. should they blame others for your owno faults
[size=27] says who[right]do you now agree that watch tower is guilty of telling lies in the name of Jehovah?


[why make the predictions even when Jesus warned you not to.
only a false prophet speak presumtiously, which Jehovah spoke against through his servant moses
-your organisation claim to know more than the master. Even Jesus when he was asked about his coming said he don't know even the angels don't know. How come your organisation now know more than Jesus. Regarding what Jesus said a servant cannot be greater than her master but your organisation has taken the role of God to be telling people when Jesus will come




"' Acts1:7 And he said unto them, it is not for you to know the times or the seasons which the Father hath put in his own power

comprehension is key

" All things are possible with God. But we are not saying . And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975.'"
-The Watchtower, 15 October 1966, page 631

[quote author=solite3 post=46014094][/quote]about christmas.. u dont make any sound point.

and for your information, back then... I firmly belive Christmas is from God , aftrall Dec 25 is Jesus date of birth, so u have no point. yet Am strongly convinced Only A FOOL WILL USE MY PAST TO JUDGE MY PRESENT.

Christian witnesses of Most High Jehovah (Isa 43:10) - are also witnesses of Jesus , every message of Jesus comes from Jehovah is Father .


you can create a thread about trinity, hellfire or immortal soul and invite me , lets see if they are scriptural or religious myths.

solite3:
[ quote author=CAPTIVATOR post=46004069]

[@bold where is this in the bible

thats the point of Daniel 12:4 . my words are not in quote remember ?

why am I even telling you, I sud have allow you run your mouth first.

can truth be adjusted

No, the Scripture is truth ! john 17:17, but my understanding of the truth can be adjusted if I see its not fully biblical.

God's word is always the same. only words of men evolves, so your organisation can't claim to be controls by Jehovah. which humility, by lying or by not following Christian teachings

you can as well say the apostles are not directed by God since their understanding of the truth was that Gods kingdom is only for isreal ?

look somebody talking about humility has turned away from biblical teachings. well did apostle Paul warned about you that in the last days many will rise who will not take his to sound fortune but instead will heap teachers for themselves. are you saying what the prophets, apostles and even Jesus taught were false teachings?

Gentleman, I personally studied those three doctrines I told u about and am telling you they are scripturally FALSE

brocab:
To clear this up, you need to watch this video, this will help you understand what your organization stands for.
I don't know about you, but for myself, I always need to know the truth about Christ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5JnngqQYvc

and you think shouting Jesus is God is what it means to know Christ , ur case is pathetic I tell you.

Many religious groups have made "prophecies"--actually, predictions--of things that would occur, some even giving specific dates. These include Lutherans, Baptists, Anabaptists, Presbyterians, Mormons, Assemblies of God, the Anglican Church, Catholics, and more. Jehovah's Witnesses are not the only group who have ever made predictions based on their understanding of Bible text that proved to be wrong. However, many lay more blame on Jehovah's Witnesses then any other religious group due to the fact that they hate us, thinking of us as a unorthodox.
Some argue that Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten too specific, choosing certain dates as the return of Christ. To them, this is what characterizes us as a cult? Well, look at three people who predicted times for the return of Christ who are well respected religious leaders.
"1836 [will be] the end of the non-chronos, and of the many kings; the fulfilling of the word, and of the mystery of God; the repentance of the survivors in the great city; the end of the 'little time,' and of the three times and a half; the destruction of the east; the imprisonment of Satan."
-John Wesley Wesley's Notes of the Bible , written throughout his life, 1703-1791
"I sincerely believe that the Lord draweth nigh. We may have another year, maybe two years, to work for Jesus Christ, and, Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe it is all going to be over ... two years and it’s all going to be over."
-Billy Graham, 1950 at a rally in Los Angeles, California
"Christ has given a sign by which one can know when the Judgment Day is near. When the Turk will have an end, we can certainly predict that the Judgment must be at the door."
-Martin Luther

[size=27] Martin Luther, Billy Graham, and John Wesley were not false prophets. They did make predictions based on their interpretation of the Bible that turned out to not be true but that does not make them guilty of false prophecy. They are guilty, though, of making these things seem as if they were without a doubt. [/size]


Jehovah's Witnesses, on the other hand have always told people that their interpretations of events could be wrong.
"We are not prophesying; we are merely giving our surmises . . . We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you, leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them."
-Regarding 1914: Zion's Watch Tower, January 1, 1908, page 4110

"The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year."
-Regarding 1925: The Watch Tower, January 1, 1925, page 3



"'What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' asked Brother Franz. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah’s witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. [size=28] But we are not saying. [/size] All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975.'"
-The Watchtower, 15 October 1966, page 631

johnw74:
Ha ha, Lie Lie captivator, all false jw can do is twist and Lie Lie

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

can you now see that u are just a pathetic liar ?

johnw74:
giving false prophecy and then changing it to another false prophecy when the event never happened is not adjusting understanding,
you do lie, the false jw's are false prophets, false everything.

@bold, yes we have seen the pharisee jw hypocrites all along

Are they interpreting Bible prophecy or claim to be an INSPIRED prophet ?

johnw74:
ha ha, false jw lies all over the place
Lie Lie barristter made reference to my post of bible verses, theres no other reason he would quote it
and then say Lie Lie john about my post

false jw loves to lie and support each other in their lies.

Lie Lie John. referenced to John NOT Bible, are u the bible ? or why cant u comprehend with your God given brain ?

solite3:
And you sheepishly follow not minding if they are wrong, why do you attack people who have held on to the unchangeable teachings of Christ but follow man made doctrine that changes like chameleon.
The watch tower has a very bad history,can you trust such? Remember what Jesus told you "A bad tree cannot bring forth a good fruit" if the tree ( watch tower ) was not bad it would not have produce a corrupt fruit ( history of lies )shalom

there was a time I celebrate Christmas because I never knew its wrong, infact I taught Jesus was born dec 25 . only a fool will use my former beliefs which have humbly changed from to judge my present , u agree ?

tell me the Present teaching of Jehovahs Witnesses thats wrong ?

zodiakzax:
go and make a research into it. Your founder believed in things that the WTS has changed over the years. If you want to know the truth then start questioning your very cult and their doctrines. John 20:28, Thomas here called Jesus my Lord and my God. Your blasphemous bible even translated it as such. Turn to God bfr it's too late for you.

Daniel 12:4 makes it clear that at the end of the days , the knowledge of truth will become many. increased knowledge often requires adjusted understanding. which is why I commend Jehovahs Witnesses for willing to change if they discover yheir understanding is not fully scriptural. thats Humility . an evidence of been guided by Gods spirit.


Hellfire , Immortal soul and Trinity has been shown to be scripturally false, yet ur churches find it hard to let go of this FALSE teachings received from The Catholic Church , can u now see the hypocrites ?

johnw74:
Lie Lie barristter you lie every time that you say I lied


again for the blinded, Lie Lie barrister posted my quote of Bible verses and then replied Lie Lie John to it
if he wasn't referring to my post then why did he quote it

Lie Lie barristter cannot help but Lie Lie
Truth couldn't be proved to Lie Lie barristter who has been blinded
you have proved that yourself in your inability to see the truth

Use your brain, he said Lie Lie John, NOT lie lie Bible . he made reference to you

can someone enlighten me, when did wet dream become a sin ?

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hmm nice

oluminnic:
@CAPTIVATOR, Jesus while on earth was the son of man Mark 10:35 and all men are subject to the Almighty God. The bible says the word becme flesh and dwell among us John 1:14. Flesh is different from the body, flesh is a component of the soul. The second person in trinity dwelling in the son of man; and that made him the son of God because the person of God is in him, and that made him one with God John 10:30.

Jesus refers to himself as the son of man not the son of Adam because Adam is not a name but a title and that is why Jesus is the second Adam. His Adamic spirit is just like that of the first Adam which is able to receive from God Luke 2:52 Bible says Jesus grew in wisdom. He became so engrossed with the law that the word of God could dwell in him in all its richness.

Jesus was the real son of the first couple Genesis 3:15 and God could see Jesus even before man fell, no wonder He died before the foundation of the world 1 Peter 1:18-20, Rev 13:8

you keep shouting the bold, Jesus while on earth, and I showed evidence that even while in HEAVEN, Jesus have a God

Rev 3:12.

oluminnic:
@CAPTIVATOR, Jesus while on earth was the son of man and all men are subject to the Almighty God. The bible says the word becme flesh and dwell among us. Flesh is different from the body, flesh is a component of the soul. The second person in trinity dwelling in the son of man; and that made him the son of God because the person of God is in him, and that made him one with God.

see what u have to go through to deny a simple truth . even in heaven, Jesus have a God (Revelation 3:12]

"
All who are victorious will become pillars in the Temple of my God , and they will never have to leave it. And I will write on them the name of my God , and they will be citizens in the city of my God--the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from my God. ..
"

if u critically examine the idea of trinity from the Angle of Jesus HAVING a God , u will realize this teaching is not scriptural and doesnt make any sense

so so sad , i think about the agonies of the families right now, only God can comfort them , well he is called " the God of ALL comfort" 2Cor 1:3


nevertheless, we have the promise of the ressurection.

" Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out " John 5:28,29

I support both teams, but something keep telling me that CR7 will just score .

i will rather call 180, I noticed nowadays reaching the customer care representative is VERY FAST