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Christianity Etc › Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CAPTIVATOR: 4:10pm On Apr 22, 2016

goodnews201668:
Stop shouting like a mad man here, if you cant make any input keep quiet.
It's not by force.

dont take that woman serious , see her comment below .

analice107

eternal life in hell

according to her , those in hell will also have eternal life . when Scripture say otherwise . john 3:16

as in ya thread eh , na case study

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CAPTIVATOR: 4:05pm On Apr 22, 2016

analice107:
The problem you JW have is the doctrine of Materialism. Eternal life is there all ready, but were man will spend it is the reason Christ came.

YOU are a LIAR , capital letter.

John 3:16 , Jesus came to give us eternal live not that we already have it. nd if anyon doesnt want eternal life, they are Destroyed .

When we shed off the flesh, there's a life to live.

shed off flesh ? you be SNAKE

Apst Paul talks about it as Mortality put on immortality.
This flesh is mortality, we right now in this flesh are not yet living the life of immortality because, we are still in the Material, physical realm, but when we die, we shall move to the realm of immortality. There no one dies. That's when or Immortal souls will start it's eternal living. Where is the bone of contention.

if you are not yet living the life of immortality, u just confess YOU are not immortal .

exposed @ bold .

What is the eternal life which Christ came to give? It's eternal life in heaven with God in his Kingdom.

eternal life means everlasting life , simple and plain .

there is temporary life , which all man all have inherit, Christ came so we by putting faith in him might have everlasting life

not in hellfire with Satan and his Angels. Christ came to save us from the eternal life in hell.
Kapish?

so those in hell will have eternal life , the gift of God through Jesus Rom 6:23,. cover your eyes in shame .

Christ save man from sin and death . thats what the bible said . Romans 5: 12, 21

Luke 20:, 34-36
... And Jesus said to them, The people of this world and present age marry and are given in marriage; But those who are considered worthy to gain that other world and that future age and to attain to the resurrection from the dead
neither marry nor are given in marriage; For they cannot die again, but they are angel-like and equal to angels. And being like Angel sharers in the resurrection, they are sons of God
.

cant you see he is talking about the Ressurection ?

he even said that FUTUre age . how come urs is immediately they die , not even waiting till ressurection ?

Christianity Etc › Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CAPTIVATOR: 3:49pm On Apr 22, 2016

Scholar8200:
What I did was to quote Strong's which clearly states the nature of Sheoul and also shows that apart from the Grave, the word is sometimes used to denote the Pit. And this pit is described as a bottomless (abyss) one! Simple!
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-1.htm

mr man , enough is enough

you don claim soul are resurected which means they die , so I dont expect anyone on this thread to take you serious anymore . grin

the pit that was described as bottomless is not sheol . unless u could show me that sheol is the same word translated pit .

Christianity Etc › Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CAPTIVATOR: 3:42pm On Apr 22, 2016

dolphinheart:
replay! God was already talking to cain about sin before died na!

so literally, souls are under the alter and not in paradise, or is paradise at the foot of the alter?

Lev 1: 14?

dolphinheart he yaff kill me with laugh here, no be paradise again na under altar .

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Fair That A Mere 70 Years Of ‪‎Sin‬ Be Punished By An Eternity In ‪‎Hell? by CAPTIVATOR: 11:55am On Apr 22, 2016

dorox:
Adam did die on that very day in the sense that he got disconnected from the source of life which meant that his eventual return to dust was guaranteed. Just like when a spinning fan is switched off it doesn'come to a complete stop the moment you flick the switch that diconnects it from power. It continues spinning with no dicernible change of speed in the first few moments after switching it off. But given enough time, the reduction of speed becomes obvious as the blades slowly grinds to a halt.
Adam died on that day as his vitality slowly drained from him till he he became dust.

Beautiful

Christianity Etc › Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CAPTIVATOR: 11:51am On Apr 22, 2016

DoctorAlien:
LOL. This is getting very funny. He was the same person that said the soul cannot die.

Can you resurrect something that is alive?

kikikikiki this thread should be closed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Jehovah Witness Not Given Attention by CAPTIVATOR: 7:18pm On Apr 07, 2016

Emusan:
The one you believed in.

kikikikiki grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by CAPTIVATOR: 7:02pm On Apr 07, 2016

Emusan:
So where did you read it from my post you quoted that JW should idolize any man before you spew this thrash?

Even the devil himself uses scripture to dialogue with Jesus.

Emusan , see your life ... not even one you could point

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Believe That Each Of Us Has His/her Own Predestined Mate? by CAPTIVATOR: 4:52pm On Apr 07, 2016

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Jehovah Witness Not Given Attention by CAPTIVATOR: 4:14pm On Apr 07, 2016

Emusan:
because their teachings are from the pit of hell, so anyone who seeks heavenly home must quickly reject them.

which teaching exactly ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by CAPTIVATOR: 3:55pm On Apr 07, 2016

Emusan:
Let's see who have comprehensive issue here

Then where did you read in my post that JW should be following or idolizing Russell?

Sorry to bust your ass, Russell claimed to be very mouthpiece of God, Watchtower publication was directed by God and he holds the truth.

If the goal of Russell is to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian, that means first century Christian worshipped Jesus Christ.

Besides, you said and I quote "was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation."

Please, does Russell abandon some of their teachings and why today's JW didn't follow Russell's teachings? One thing is sure if Russell can see someone to follow their practice and his follower find it difficult to follow him, it means Russell actually misrepresented the teaching of the first century Christian and Jesus Christ or today's JW are the one who actually misrepresented their teaching.

Does your own reasoning faculty tell you that I'm not saying you people should idolize Russell? As you just busy writing long epistle.

Who asked you all these? when you couldn't fathom simple statement you choose to divert from the main point.

I didn't forget it's you who have short memory because I've repeated it many times on this thread that they have their weaknesses but none of them died as an idolater like Russell.

God will never allow His anointed to die out of His own will it's only Devil who can do that which is what we saw in the life of Russell.

good you finally understand my earlier statement that Jehovah's witnesses are not following/idolizing any man .

now, show me one belief of Jehovah's witnesses that's not scriptural ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by CAPTIVATOR: 8:13pm On Apr 06, 2016*

Emusan:
@bold-At least a robot still has default reset but this your own get as in be.

Paul himself said we (believers) should FOLLOW his example and do other disciples but you JW said you don't follow them simply because you don't want to rope your idolatry founder in.

its clear you have comprehension issues , here is my statement

" Jehovah's witnesses are not following or idolizing any man "

but anger clearly takes away a man's thinking cap , is Following a persons example which you wrote above the same thing with following/idolizing a man ?

Apostle Paul urged Christians to follow his example but with a limit " As I am of the Christ " 1 Corinthians 11:1 ! which means if Brother Paul exhibit a Behaviour not in line with Christ , that's imperfection in action thus such example should not be followed . THATS DIFFERENT FROM FOLLOWING/IDOLIZING A MAN . which will be explained below .

Did you idolize people like Paul, Peter, John e.t.c by following their teaching? If your founder had truly called by God I know you won't hesitate in using him as an example.

@ italics ... called by God , what do you mean ? hope u dont mean the callings of the local pastor grin

. God appeared to them in visions or in dreams .

While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower , he was not the founder of a new religion. [b] The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20 . NOR claim any special vision or dreams

@bold , i don't cos my leader is one, the Christ . but is it possible to idolize people like Paul, Peter , John e.t.c by following their teaching ? YES

"
When one of you says, [b] “I am a follower of Paul,” and another says, “I follow Apollos,” aren’t you acting just like people of the world?
After all, who is Apollos? Who is Paul? We are only God’s servants through whom you believed the Good News. Each of us did the work the Lord gave us. I planted the seed in your hearts, and Apollos watered it, but it was God who made it grow.

It’s not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What’s important is that God makes the seed grow. The one who plants and the one who waters work together with the same purpose. And both will be rewarded for their own hard work. For we are both God’s workers. And you are God’s field. You are God’s building.
Because of God’s grace to me, I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Christ. " 1 Corinthians 3: 4-11

can you now see the difference between following/idolizing a man and following a mans example/character ? this form of following exhibited in corinth and CONDEMNED BY paul is what I had in mind in my post which you couldn't comprehend until u shift it to example .

In fact your organization has wrongly place him in the category of the disciples who will rule with Jesus in heaven.

How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. (Romans 14:12 ) However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special “insights,” beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation. They humbly remember that some anointed men in the first century did not qualify to serve as elders or ministerial servants. (
1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1: 5-9, James 3:1) Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak. ( 1 Thessalonians 5:14) And sisters, although anointed, did not teach in the congregation.

1 Timothy 2: 11,12.

like I said, had it been the Apostles behaved the way Russell & Rutherford behaved. Which scriptures you and your organization would've been examine DAILY?

and you forget that the apostles also have their own weaknesses , when it comes to scripture . its INSPIRED BY GOD , they wrote not their thought but Gods . at least we have a letter of the apostle Paul that's not part of the bible . its not inspired !!!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by CAPTIVATOR: 1:33pm On Apr 06, 2016

Emusan:
Olodo...you crawled out of somewhere and jump into what doesn't concern you.

Russell and Rutherford worshipped Jesus till they died, did any JW do that today? NO!

Most teachings of Russell and Rutherford are considered WRONG by today's JW, true or false? TRUE!

So, who is spewing nonsense here? CAPITAL YOU!

its interesting that your frustration above proves Jehovahs witnesses are not following or idolizing any man .

we rather "examine the Scriptures DAILY " { Act 17:11} to discern true teachings from wrong teachings.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by CAPTIVATOR: 9:47pm On Apr 05, 2016

Emusan:
Lol...how does JW exempt from these?

Imaging you're closed to Apostles practice & belief which is over 1000years older than your founder Russell yet you couldn't close to your own founder's practice and belief.

Please, will you have closed to the Apostles practice and belief had it been they behaved like Russell?

Listen to the nonsense you wrote above , Russell is their founder yet they didn't come close to his teachings and practice , how can Russell be their founder if they didn't accept all his teachings ?

you need to be educated here :

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Went To Heaven And Took Pics To Prove It by CAPTIVATOR: 7:20pm On Apr 02, 2016

and some people will still fall for this scam #sighs#

Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Trinity by CAPTIVATOR: 2:24pm On Mar 10, 2016

Aristo3146:
you talked about d father and d son...What about d holy spirit...

He is confused ... What else do u expect from a lecturer who doesnt understand the subject he is teaching ?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CAPTIVATOR(op): 4:05pm On Feb 29, 2016

Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Teaching does not make sense- A look at Rev King Burning Sinners! by CAPTIVATOR: 4:02pm On Feb 29, 2016

Muafrika2:
He became sin, and died, so that by breaking through that power of sin, He received the same power that translates us from similar death in the spirit and later, life after death.

The death was already upon the earth, still is, but the torment - that great torment is not yet here. That is why the earth is still full of evil, because the devil is yet to taste the full wrath of God.

Its a personal choice to go/or not into that eternal torment.

Who ask u this grammatical riddles..., answer the question I asked you pls.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Devil Wants Us To Sin So That God Will Smoke Our A.ss!! by CAPTIVATOR: 3:57pm On Feb 29, 2016

gabinogem:
Why will a Loving God who created an imperfect man in his own image want to smoke his creature just because of mere sin?

Very illogical.

Sooo illogical.... Where is true justice if a man will be punished for trillions of years for a sin committed withing a short lifespan of 60-70 years?,

This doctrine have one source, it's surely from the wicked one the devil. Not from a Loving God who despise burning his creations with fire - -, Jeremiah 7:31

Christianity Etc › Re: Shocking Revelations About Nollywood, Catholic, Music Etc by CAPTIVATOR: 3:35pm On Feb 29, 2016

thonyokun:
Wether you like it or not your time will be up here on earth. Come to think of it, after spending 120years on earth you still end up in hell. The Bible says what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and looses his soul, what shall he use in exchange? Beloved, take it or leave it you will die someday. I know you don't want to risk going to hell. Why not change your ways now. Repentance is for the living and not for the dead. Worldliness can't take you to heaven. Friendship with this world makes you an enemy of God. I have given you two options life and death, but I implore you to choose life. Please don't go to hell, it's not meant for you and I, hell was designed for the devil and his angels. Amend your ways please, Jesus loves you, he's knocking the door of your
heart. If you read this today do not wait till tomorrow because today might be your last day and your last opportunity, do not harden your heart. Jesus died for the whole world and not for some set of people. Don't be deceived hell is real and heaven is real. No matter what happens please don't go to hell. Am praying for you.

You see this tactic of using fear to convert people just doesn't work - - - see 1john 4:18.,instead u are likening God to someone who point a gun at his friend saying " give me what I request from you " : of cos the friend will do it not because he want to but due to FEAR

Same tactic used by King Nebuchadnezzar, serve me or I burn you with fire..... Gosh!, stop likening our heavenly Father to this wicked king

Man dies an return to the ground from which he was taken.... (, Gen 3:19 cos death, the opposite of the gift of life remains the penalty for sin (romantic 6:23), thank God for ressurection through Christ Jesus... The gift of life will be restored to the obedient ones (john 3:16*)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Teaching does not make sense- A look at Rev King Burning Sinners! by CAPTIVATOR: 3:30pm On Feb 29, 2016

Muafrika2:
If God would let his own people suffer, cry and die for thousands of years, Let his own son die, how much more his enemies?

If the penalty for sin is eternal torment, why was Jesus who paid the penalty for our sin not burned with fire to balance the scale of justice huh

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Christianity Etc › Re: Shocking Revelations About Nollywood, Catholic, Music Etc by CAPTIVATOR: 11:51pm On Feb 28, 2016

Murder department and Idol department....... Sometimes you begin to wonder if there is a relation BTW religion and stupidity

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Do Little Children Go After Death; Heaven Or Hell? by CAPTIVATOR: 11:41pm On Feb 26, 2016

Excelsior12:
When little children dies,

KING Herod order his soldiers to slain little kids , so also Pharaoh of egypt order his men to slain young boys ... But in none of these instances do we read such absurd thing as herod killed them and send them to heaven or Pharaoh killed them and send them to Hellfire ... Do you read such ? NO , why ?because "the living (those that are alive) know that they will die but as for the dead (those that have died) they know nothing at all " Ecc 9:5

where do their soul goes to?

"All have sinned " Rom 5:12

"the soul that sinneth shall Die " eze 18:4

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus (PBUH ) Celebrate Xmas by CAPTIVATOR: 2:32pm On Feb 22, 2016

facheux:
Maybe I have a bad Bible version and it ommitted how Xmas was celebrated ?!?

Jesus did not celebrate his birthday talkless of the. so-called xmas , that stuff has pagan origin

Music/Radio › Re: What Are Those Cool Songs You Listen To At Night After A Hectic Day? by CAPTIVATOR: 1:02am On Jan 24, 2016

Phil Collins - TESTIFY

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Celebrating Christmas Wrong ? by CAPTIVATOR: 4:13pm On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
You are really a m0ron.

Ur speech above show me the type of person you are ; by their fruits you shall know them ... smiles

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Celebrating Christmas Wrong ? by CAPTIVATOR: 4:10pm On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
So,
Why did ~~Paul~~ Holy Spirit leave it to the Romans to decide on whether to esteem some days or not?

The reason is simple; days are trivial matters but Watchtower would have you imagine that keeping Christmas earns your next four generations wrath of YHWH

Keep observing pagan days , someone like you will still use romans 14:5,6 to support Eid-el-fitri festival of the muslims , aftrall each one should be fully convinced in his own mind .... Whereas neither paul nor the roman congregation KNEW anything called christmas .

Just continue , no wonder this fits many perfectly .

" you are scruplously OBSERVING DAYS and months and SEASONS nd years , I fear for you , that somhow I have wasted my efforts on you" Gal 4:10:11

Dining with the sun god on Dec . 25 , when the scripture itself warns against mixing with pagans ( 2 corinthians 6:17 )

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Celebrating Christmas Wrong ? by CAPTIVATOR: 3:56pm On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
what stops you from proselyting so you may eat of Passover and celebrate 'd Jewish festivals commanded by God'?

Man, " Christ OUR PASSOVER has been sacrificed" 1 cor 5:7 cheesy

The Gentiles thought to return to Torah to earn righteousness just as the Circumcision DEMANDED Gentiles circumcise upon conversion.
[b]Galatians 5:2-6 (ESV)
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working

Idiot,where were synagogues before captivity?

Not needed,since there is a temple

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Celebrating Christmas Wrong ? by CAPTIVATOR: 3:47pm On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
Man is FREE to celebrate just as you are free to log in here and log off.

Listen to Holy Spirit
Romans 14:5-6 (ESV)
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Can you imagine God telling you that you should be 'fully convinced in your own mind' on whether to sodomlze your 18 month old or not

" fully convinced in your own mind" regarding a day commanded by Jehovah God himself !!! Col 2:16 proves the day here is a reference to sabath

Unlike your pagan festival used as a period of greedy commercial activities which was commanded by Men . Dont worry , u will be dining with the sun god on Dec 25

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Celebrating Christmas Wrong ? by CAPTIVATOR: 3:11pm On Dec 22, 2015

dolphinheart:
Nice adjustment from the reasons giving by those who founded christmass. Never knew it has changed from the commemoration of jesus birth to celebrating "incarnation".
So what date did you now choose for this incarnation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Celebrating Christmas Wrong ? by CAPTIVATOR: 3:07pm On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
No, the subject is celebrating INCARNATION you Arian heretic

WHO gave the command to celebrate that ? God Or MAN .

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Celebrating Christmas Wrong ? by CAPTIVATOR: 3:05pm On Dec 22, 2015

vooks:
Do you keep Passover, Weeks and all the rest because they are 'commanded by God'?
The point of that verse is esteeming a day to the Lord is as good as esteeming none. The Christian who observes Christmas is no better than one who doesn't. This is regardless of the origins of the day.

Christmas is commanded by MEN ,but d jewish festivals are commanded by God ;I dont do jewish passover because
" The passover : no foreigner may eat of it " - Exo 12:43

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"you are scruplously observing days and months and SEASONS and years, I fear for you ,that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you" Gal 4:10,11

For your information,the concept of synagogues was developed during captivity so it is entirely pagan.This was borrowed by Christians in establishing church structures.Do we lose sleep over trivialities such as origin or do we not focus on the purpose/intent?

Is there anything wrong with building a place to worship God ? 2Chronicles 6:8 .

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