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dolphinheart:
At bold, Is there any religious practise or rites or observance that comes from the things you mentioned above.?

KingEbukasBlog:
This statement you made killed the argument especially @ bold

malvisguy212:
its seems like you find delight in argument, read the op very well one more time. The disciples did not celebrate Christmas , but there were Great rejoicing in heaven when the announcement came. The point is , those who chose to celebrate it do it in perfect way to Honor Jesus,

we celebrate Jesus. And those who chose not to celebrate are not disobeying God, because no command was given to celebrate. If you insist in arguing, I will not reply you. Thank you.

falopey
Brother, let us stop being hypocritical here. The bible
has made it clear in Rm 14:5-6 when new christian
converts among the jews and the gentiles were arguing
on what celebration to observe and what not to observe.
Some converts that were of jewish origin were still
attached to some jewish celebrations like the feast of
Unleaven bread and so on while those of greek origin or
gentiles did not know anything about such celebrations.
Some thought they should not celebrate while some
thought maybe they should celebrate something else.
The jewish christians among them still held fast to
sabath while some of the gentile christians never even
practised sabath before because they were not of jewish
tradition or origin. They were idolaters before their
conversion.
the argumentbof whether to observe some celebrations
or discard some celebrations ensued between them. That
why paul told them that whether the scripture say you
should observe some days or notis not the question.
Hence the Romans 14:5-6
One man regards one day above
another, another regards every day
alike. LET EACH MAN BE FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS
OWN MIND . HE WHO OBSERVES THE DAY
OBSERVES IT FOR THE LORD , and he who eats, does
so for the Lord, FOR HE GIVES THANKS TO GOD ;
and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and
GIVES THANKS TO GOD .

A lot of things we do are not ordered by the bible, but we alow the holy spirit to guide us to know if we are committing sin doing it or not. For example: we build places of whorship today when Jesus did not even build one or order his deciples to do the same. christians in those days were found of whorshipping in brethren house.

We celebrate naming ceremony today. we eat and merry with neighbours and loved ones. does the bible order that kind of celebration? None of the biblical christians did the same.

Celebrating this anniversary and that anniversary in the church. where do christian celebrate whatever anniversary in the bible? And to you all these are not sins. But celebrating the birth of Jesus.

Everybody celebrate the transition unto glory of their aged. please give me an example of a place where funneral ceremony is celebrated in the bible. And to you its worth it . Except celebrating the birth of the lord.

Jesus told the desciples that the holy spirit would teach them in many things. in that case Jesus directly or indirectly admit to them that he could not teach them everything they had to know until he would be received into heaven.

While we should be giving God thanks everyday, in churches today, we dedicate a special sunday as thanks giving sunday. please where was that practiced in the bible? But we know what is right and that is unto the glory of god and we do it. but to appreciate the birth of Jesus christ by celebrating it is a sin to you because bible does not say so.

we go to church on sunday. Where is that written in the bible. even that same Romans 14:5-6 has settle the issue of Sabbath worship.

Why do you celebrate new year celebration? Is it because the bible tells you to do it or any of the apostles celebrated it?

I can go on and on but I will leave the rest to you to think on so many things you do that bible does not order to do. And that are not sins anyway.

malvisguy212:
falopey God bless you.. The apostles do not celebrate the birthday of Jesus, but the Heavenly HOST rejoice when the announcement
Of Jesus birth is known.
Luke 2:8-14
In the same region there were some
shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. But the angel said to
them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a
manger." And suddenly there appeared with the angel A MULTITUDE OF HEAVENLY HOST PRAISING GOD and saying, "Glory to God in the highest,

hahn:
So, where will people who don't believe in Jesus Christ go to?

Heaven?

karleone:
Who told you? @bolded

Richirich713:
I said the New testament not old testament.

You believe the new testament nd old testament came from the same God.

But since u said God must say " I am God ", hw can did u come to believe the Father is God?

U can't just assume the NT and OT goes together, prove that both teach Yahweh is God.

Prove that the NT father claimed to be God , exact words " I am God "



If u can't do that, then any1 using ur logic can never believe in the NT for they don't no if the father claimed to be God.

whocanbewho:
let's use simple english here. Can you create something that doesn't exist. He was creates because he wanted him to exist.

Kreysik:
what's this one saying

Kreysik:
I assume it will also be greed for a student to prepare for his exams before the day of the exam..it will actually be stupid to wait till a day before the exam or till the day of the exam .this is the logic of one who yearns for the after life and this is want I mean by a sense of responsibility
why are humans created with the sense of thirst if this was not suppose to b a proof of its existence for behind every cause there is an effect..and mind you the yearning for eternity is innate in man.... who told the first man that there is something called eternity?

CAPTIVATOR:
What do you think ?

paulGrundy:
Of course another lie will be told, that's why the watchtower does not have one opinion on a simple issue as this!

Those using being born again as the only criteria to make heaven (before Jesus).
Have forgotten Enoch abi?? Who walked with God and God took him away, did he give his life to Jesus? (Jesus hadn't yet come in flesh).

And to even tell lies on Jesus' head, disgusts me!! ):<


Jesus never called the event at the transfiguration a parable or vision! He was visited live by moses and Elijah![/b]

Luke 9:28-36King James Version (KJV)

28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

Off course am not suprised you don't know this! Instead of studying your bible, you are quoting gibberish from watchtowers studies in the scriptures

Yomieluv:
Didn't go out with car yesterday.

I saw hell,left surulere exactly 4pm,didn't get to agbara till 10:20pm.

I just couldn't walk,and okada were asking for exhorbitant fee.

paulGrundy:
So now you now choose what you want to take literal and symbolic.
Is the false prophet symbolic also??

It didn't say it SYMBOLIZES the 2nd death, it said IT IS the 2nd death. Hence this event of a burning hell is the 2nd death.

Good explanation provided for death and hell, but your argument is weak @ demising the existence of a literal lake of fire. Check out this scripture:

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Those characters listed @ the bolded are they symbolic?

paulGrundy:
Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Luke 17:28-30 ...'Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and [size=25] destroyed them all [/size] . Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed'

These two scriptures have a strong connection- brimstone, fire, torment. The answer is clear, Jesus was clear you just aren't the one seeing it.

paulGrundy:
I believe this scripture will provide you an alternative view on your interpretation.

Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

“False prophet“, “devil“, “cast in fire“, “torment“. Those are powerful words you can't overlook. The only information the bible provided to us about death is that he is an enemy that would be destroyed last. Is he a person? I don't know, is it inanimate? I don't know. Problem occurs when we try to provide a reasoning our biblical exegenisis or dismiss scriptural texts because we feel they sound illogical. that probably explains the several back and forth contradictions of the watchtower surrounding this subject.

Jeromejnr:
You dodged my questions. So I don't know what you are saying here. You were the one that said Adam could kill animals to eat in the garden so why not prove to us.

Secondly, a beast means a large four footed creature (Encarta). Not a carnivore.

Thirdly, Your questions have been rightly answered. Go back and study. And also show us where animals killed each other in the garden? when they were busy eating herbs.

Yea! and also tell us when animals changed their minds and started attacking humans?

Jeromejnr:
To show that man never knew how to eat meat before Noah's time,in Gen 9:4. God teaches his family how to eat animal meat as he instructs them not to eat the blood that comes with it. If they ate meat before, would they have needed that instruction.

Now read this:
"Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

4“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."

take note of that bolded.

Read this article also on the issue: Take note of bolded.

"In Genesis 9 Noah receives a covenant from the Lord. Part of the covenant removed the prior restrictions against eating meat, allowing Noah and his family to kill animals for food. However, the allowance came with this proviso: “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it” (verse 4)." http://www.gotquestions.org/eating-meat-with-blood.html

Don't use modern day English to define the word beast in the Hebrew language.

This is the meaning of the word beast used in that scripture:

beast
chay (khah'-ee)
age, alive, appetite, beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

BTW,not all translations use the word "wild beast". So yes a translator can be wrong in presenting the message as it is. There are many proofs online do a research.

Now read this to show shedding of blood was never allowed among beasts in the garden.

Genesis 9: But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.

5And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being"

God said He will demand an account of all blood shed including from animals. Well, lets rethink. Why will he demand an account from animals if to shed blood in the garden was His original purpose?

I think I have made much of my point.

Jeromejnr:
No 1. God says what He meant and meant what He says. Don't twist the scripture. He said all should eat herbs it was later after the fall He gave the permission to Noah and his family to eat meat.

No 2. You mention wild beast. Why don't you do a research yourself on google and see that wild beasts was never mentioned in the original Hebrew text.

That was added by the translator to point to the animals we know of today.

Let me help you with one link.
http://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/1-24.htm

Jeromejnr:
Caught by humans not diseases.

BTW, animals before the fall were herbivorous not one was carnivorous. Gen 1:30.

So that should tell you something.

starlingslimnet:
The Sons of God will be ressurected and the whole creation restored to their Glory.

Jeromejnr:
In fact let me help you more with your explanation.

Gen 4: Cain brings an offering up to the Lord from the fruit of the ground and God rejects it because He had caused the ground.

Abel brings a sheep and God respects it.

Now, according to the topic: why do animals die if they didn't eat the fruit.

Firstly, we know diseases didn't occur until after man's sin. Now animals today die naturally because of diseases. Well, did they eat of the fruit? Why are they partaking in diseases?

Secondly, Animals yes could be killed by man as one was even killed by God to provide clothing.

The same way Adam could also strangle Eve or stab her with a knife and then she would die. Or bleed to death.

But He couldn't do that because even though that was possible he had not yet known the knowledge of evil.

Or before the fall, would have man's flesh be impenetrable from a knife attack?

Point: Animals can also die of diseases naturally because of Man's sin. Or you want to tell me they could have died of diseases there in the garden.

If you do so, bring forth your strong reasons.

starlingslimnet:
A full Yes.

Not only animals the whole creation will be redeemed

ATMC:
Haha!

@captivator pls come that op question begs for an answer. Give if you know the answer.

when God create the animals he saw that its good , infact evidence reveal that he care so much for his animal creations , so I dont know where people got the notion that all animals are cursed for a sin they know nothing about ! WHY DO ANIMALS DIE ? the truth is that animals are programmed to act on instinct and they are not created to live forever , " unreasoning ANIMALS , [size=25] born naturally to be caught and destroyed " [/size] 2 Pet 2:12 can you see ? They are born NATURALLY to be caught , that is killed by humans for food or clothing ; and if not killed , they will eventually be destroyed , that is their lifetime will end . Thats the only 2 options for animals

Jeromejnr:
Yes! before man fell.

The same way the earth didnt eat of the fruit. But yet is in bondage to earthquakes

And atmospheric disasters.