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Rjasan:
Anyone can say this was forged into that. Hope you don't expect me to believe that.
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I think Adam is in heaven.

I know you have a serious problem answering that question . But I will give a clue

God said Adam will " RETURN to where he was taken" ! Gen 3:19 .... So where was Adam taken ?? Was he taken from heaven ??

REASON 5: " God WILL NOT preserve the wicked alive" JOB 36:6 !!

Am laughing at this scripture in chinese ........ What does it mean ! Wait , but religion says eternity is for all , everyone is immortal and will always be alive .

At this point , I need to remove this religious spectacle , it says " God will not preserve the wicked alive" !!! Wow! They are not immortals ...... Of course somtin immortal will always be alive , but the reverse is happening here ..... God will not preserve the wicked alive !!!! for holdin the immortal notion , there is a serious problem with religion .

Rjasan:
It's not just by telling me to be quiet, how can you disprove it. Since the bible say there's hell and you say there's no hell. Give me tangible reasons, or proofs to show that there's no hell?

Hell was FORGED into the bible , orginally written in greek .

Where is Adam ??

OLAADEGBU:
When did Jesus begin to exist?

This doctrine falsely accuse that Jesus was an hypocrite and pretender ... Who pretends to address God in prayer, whereas he was that same God !!! . A great display of hypocrisy .

This doctrine falsely accuse Jesus as liar who came to do the will of himself yet always claim its the will of his father ! . And claim someone sent him, whereas he sent himself !!!

God is imortal and could not die ..... This doctrine shows that the apostles are all fake for declarin the death and ressurection of someone who cant die.

This doctrine gave Mary the status of the " Mother of God"
!!! Whereas she was mother of the "son of the Most High" Luk 1:35, NOT the most high himself

Contrary to public opinion:

CREATION gave birth to Jesus as its firstborn - Col 1:15 ! And this was done by the God and Father of Jesus christ ! Rev 3:14 !!!
....... Whom Jesus will obey and be subjected under FOREVER ( 1 COR 15:24-28)

REASON 4: " NO MAN has ascended into heaven" - joh 3:13 !!!

Billions of mankind have died before Jesus came to earth ..... Yet from the statement above he says None of those men have been to heaven !!!! This scripture doesnt make sense , this statement doesnt work if humans are immortals , the good ones should have went to heaven ?? But He said NONE !!! NONE ! ... Why ?

Actually those men were not immortals or else they wuld av gone to heaven but Jesus make it plain that they were not there, heaven is not a mortuary for dead bodies !!! The angels living in heaven are not people who have died on earth !! .... Its clear Those men of old simply return to the same destination of Adam !!! ( Gen 3:19)

REASON 3: " At this the serpent told the woman: 'You certainly will not die"Gen 3:4 !!

"God cant die" is a statement sayin God cant cease to exist ! But the Devil's statement shows that Adam&Eve wont die .... An offer to be like God ! What a trick by the devil .

Actually most people still belive this devil's imortality lie .... Such ones will even tell you " of course, Adam&Eve are still ALIVE in heaven enjoying" ! What a crock , so the guy called devil introduced mankind to heavely bliss , !!! Adam and Eve are still alive since they are immortal , oh! The devil was right aftrall ..... At this point : ask urself ..Can the Devil say truth ?? The devil anchor mankind to blessings??!!! Its time we start thinkin&stop followin the Devil in spreadin his immortality lies ! .

Adam simply " return to the ground" Gen 3:19 !!! ... Its not funny dat religion is actually spreadin a statement by the Devil. " Ye shall surely not die" !!! Dat statement of immortality Is a devil trick

Reason 2 : " For the wages sin pays is Death, But the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our lord " !! Rom 6:23

Pls, open your eyes to the scripture above ...... The wages sin pays is death ? But an immortal being cant die , oh u find another definition for death ..... It doesnt work ! I do hear some pple Ignorantly say " God is Dead" what this people are actually saying is that God doesnt exist ! how hard is that for theologians to understand .....

Again it says "Gift" of everlasting life , this doesnt make any sense if humans are immortal !!! Everyone is immortal and will live forever till eternity , so why call it a " GIFT" look up the meaning of gift " to give willingly without askin for payment, a gesture of assistance , show FAVOUR to somone, "!! , somethin is wrong with religion and Not this scripture ..... Its clear enough

Where are you, some 500years ago ?? Most christians cant answer BUT MANY AGREE that they simply dont exist . # truth#

But yet most humans find it hard to believe death can return them to these non-existent state , so they respond " ehm , u see ... Though we dont exist som 500 years ago , but once we are born we remain immortals" !!! These answer remains Invalid ..... WHY ??

REASON 1 : " For God love the world so much , that he gave his only begotten son , so that whosoever believe in him might NOT Perish but have everlasting life" - Joh 3:16 !!!

This scripture makes no sense if humans are immortal .... Look up the meaning of " PERISH" "to destroy, to suffer death, to Ruin" !! Can somethin immortal suffer death or be brought to ruin ?? BIG Nooo .... Again why promise everlasting or never ending life to something thats already immortal !!! It surely doesnt make sense to promise an immortal being everlasting life . ...... What a crock for religion .

OLAADEGBU:
The probability that those born 200 years ago are all dead would be 100%, so the living definitely know that they will die, except the living caught up in the rapture.

The verse goes on to say that the "dead know not" and this does not mean that there is no consciousness after death, it only means that nothing more can be done to earn heavenly rewards. The greatest men are forgotten after they die, don't they?

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From ur explanation .. U said " this doesnt mean there is no consciousness after death" !!

Back to the text !

THE LIVING = Know that they will die ( this clearly shows they are conscious coz dey know) !

THE DEAD = Know NOTHING at all ( this clearly shows they are conscious of Nothing at all ) !! .

Consider solomon : 1 king 11:43 says

" then Solomon was laid to REST with his forefathers and was buried in the city of David" !! NO ADDITIONAL HERESY OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN HEAVEN!

OLAADEGBU:
That is a fact to the natural man. A fact is different from the truth. The spiritual man is not limited to facts, he knows the truth of the whole matter.

Anyway, am not askin for the definition of truth and fact !!

,if a statement of d context is found as truth , it clearly shows others are also truth ! Once Again .... " the living know that they will die ... " Truth Or False ?

OLAADEGBU:
That is a fact to the natural man. A fact is different from the truth. The spiritual man is not limited to facts, he knows the truth of the whole matter.

Anyway, am not askin for the definition of truth and fact !!

,if a statement of d context is truth, others are truth too ! Once Again .... " the living know that they will die ... " Truth Or False ?

OLAADEGBU:
You have to read it in it's context. Solomon was speaking from the perspective of a natural man using his natural senses. You don't just take one verse of the Scripture and make a doctrine out of it. You have to compare Scripture with Scriptures as it gives you the big picture.

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Did God inpsire the book of Ecclesiastes ?? YES !

Now lets read in its context !! " the living know that they will die" !!! TRUE OR FALSE ?? If this is True , it automatically prove the concluding statement as a fact !!

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is the Almighty God our Saviour!

This doctrine let us realize that Jesus Christ was an hypocrite and a mere pretender .... Who pretends to pray to God, whereas he was that same God !!!

We understand that the Father has always been immortal ( hab 12:2) and hence could not die ....... Hence Jesus a part of him accordin to this doctrine could not Die , This let us realize that the apostles ar all false witnesses by declaring the death and ressurection of somone who cannot die !!!

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is the Almighty God our Saviour!

This doctrine let us realize that Jesus Christ while on earth was an hypocrite and a mere pretender .... Who pretends to pray to God, whereas he as that God !!!

We understand that the Father has always immortal ( hab 12:2) and hence could not die ....... Hence Jesus a part of him accordin to this doctrine could not Die ! How then could Jesus av die ?? This let us realize that the apostles ar all false witnesses by declaring the death and ressurection of somone who cannot die !!!

uchkochi:
WHAT SHALL IT PROFIT A MAN IF HE GAINS THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL.

The greatest profit, you and I can make is to get to heaven. Death is a transition program to eternity. There are two places for eternity; heaven or hell. How you live your life on earth determines where you will end. The greatest mistake is to doubt the existence of heaven and hell. If you cannot doubt the existence of the earth, why doubt the reality of the heaven.
. You have just one life to live, there is no second chance after death. You either report in heaven or hell. If you have not repented, now is the time to do so. The only thing that matters to God is how you live your life.

STOP Givin God a bad name !!

Adam and eve didnt went to your fabricated hell ...... Dont u read that They "return to the ground " Gen 3:19 !! .

2. If everyone go to heaven ..... What will happen to God own prophecy in psalm 37:29, Prov 2:21 ,Isaiah 65:17 and matthew 5:5 ??

Image123:
Yes.

Okay ........... What do u tink about Ecclesiastes 9:5 ?

Image123:
Yes, i hope so. Also, i think he wrote ecclesiastics after repenting from his backsliding.

Was the book of Ecclesiastes Inspired by God ?

Image123:
Yes, i hope so. Also, i think he wrote ecclesiastics after repenting from his backsliding.

Was the book of Ecclesiastes Inpired by God ??

johnydon22:
a woman bathing her husband is a sin? a little boy dragged to hell?... shit is this the type of inhumane thought u christians wish for even tho its pure delusion still to even think and pour out such thing is pure evil... cruelty of the highest order... oh my people when are we going to open our eyes and see all this lies?

So u also notice the woman aspect ? Ehn .... Lols , bathing for HUSBAND not boyfriend !!!

It was a movie specially prepared for gullible Nigerians ....... The op sees only Nigerians ?? HOP u got the trick !!!

There are doors in heaven ..... Which means Carpenters live there too !!! Imagine

Funny enuf , Angels also appear to people in form of a boy and abuse pple saying: " see ur head?" !!

Everything he saw is pure heresy !! Scripture warns "Do not go beyond what is written" - 1 cor 4:6

Scripture NEVER said David and Solomon go to heaven when they die !!! Many years after they have been buried , Christ Came And Said :

" NO MAN has ever been to heaven " joh 3:13 !!!

" NO MAN has ever been to heaven" Joh 3:13 !

that debunks any notion of them been in heaven b4 christ !

shortly after Christ has went back to heaven .... We are informed that King David is still in the Grave ( Act 2:29,34) !!!

" for There is no work nor knowledge nor wisdon in the GRAVE .... WHERE you are going" Ecc 9:5,10 !!

vooks:
Is Jesus God?

Dont derail the thread ..... Stop solvin surd in a trigonometry class

honourhim:
Cheap liars. Paul addressed two different issues and here you people have turned to his spokes person to relate what he said in Philippians 3 as what he meant in chapter 1.

Paul said that to die is gain for him because he will go and be with Christ but that remain alive will be good for the people. Very clear statement. How does this relate with what he said in Philipians 3? saian is greatly using you people.

True repentance is what you people need. I pity those you people are deceiving.

"to see if I ( Paul) may attain the first resurection from the dead" phil 3:11

" if we have been united with him in the likeness of his Death , We will also be united With Him (Christ) in the LIKENESS of his RESSURECTION" ROMANS 6:5

CANTICLES:
This apostle paul has a firm believe in ressurection ..... He has resurection in mind when sayin this things !!!

" to see if at all possible I may attain to the earlier RESURECTION FROM THE DEAD" - PHIlipian 3:11) .... A type of resurection to heaven LIKE Jesus Christ.

" If we have become united with him in he likeness of his death, We will certainly also be united with him IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESSURECTION" ! (ROMANS 6:5)

Fact

frosbel:
You are arguing with somebody who is 'brain dead'.

Hmm My Bro ...... How I wish he could answer the question canticles gave him : DID JESUS DIE ( OR) its Only his flesh dat dies ??

vooks:
You will never enjoy eternity. Does that surprise you?
The difference between you and the sinner is God will recreate your clone and load it with your mind and pretend that it is you
He won't waste time with the sinner's clone

Meditate over that

1) What does the bible refer to as spirit in man and animals ?

2) Is it the same as the breath of life ??

3) do animals av the breath of life ??

4) when Jesus commend his spirit to God in luke 23:46 before his death , was he in heaven ??

vooks:
That is because the spirit of lazarus returned to him.
If you can't see the absurdity of your position you need prayers

We are gradually gettin there : thanks to JEHOVAH God and my master Jesus Christ!

What is this spirit in man? Because animals also have this "same spirit " in them - ecc 3 : 19-21 !!

honourhim:
Same crap. Soul has suddenly become life now and not blood anymore?
May God deliver you from this fear-induced deceit.

Contrary to ur nollywood movies and pagan greek thinking ..... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN HE DIES , He was in d grave for three days and three nights until his Ressurection ! Matt 12:40

honourhim:
Same crap. Soul has suddenly become life now and not blood anymore?
May God deliver you from this fear-induced deceit.

Contrary to ur nollywood movies and greek thinking ..... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN HE DIES , He was in d grave for three days and three nights until his Ressurection ! Matt 12:40

honourhim:
Same crap. Soul has suddenly become life now and not blood anymore?
May God deliver you from this fear-induced deceit.

Contrary to ur nollywood movies ..... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN HE DIES , He was in d grave for three days and three nights until his Ressurection ! Matt 12:40

vooks:
CAPTIVATOR and frosbel,
How comes you shy away from my question?
Both of you are dying.
Assume you are to resurrect.
What will inherit eternal life is not frosbel nor CAPTIVATOR since you ceased to exist the moment you died
God creates your lookalikes, fills them with your memory,character and personality he had stashed somewhere and enjoys eternity with them on account of what you did on earth
Those lookalikes/fakes are not you. They were never on earth, they never persevered nothing, they never resisted temptation

the only difference being that you believe in 'resurrection' while Sadducees never believed in tha

cc
mbaemeka
Nlmediator

Jesus Ressurect A Decomposed Lazarus of bethany .. Already smellin dead man.... WITH A FRESH BODY,( JOH11: 11 - 30) yet he still RECOGNIZE Martha and Mary as his sisters !!

The resurected dead daughter of Jairus also recognize his parents

GO and read more about what Jesus will accomplish at resurection of the dead

vooks:
Reductio ad absurdum
Their soul-sleep heresy leads them to very absurd conclusion; that the dead will NEVER reap everlasting life. God will recreate dummies in their stead. He will recreate Abraham,Isaac,Moses and so forth

" There is going to be a ressurection" Act 24:15
" Ressurection of the dead" heb 6:2 NOT ressurection of d livin

honourhim:
Your explanation here is a crap. Total misinterpretation of the scripture to suit your false teaching.

Matthew 26:38.

38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with
And in mark 8:36
36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
You mean that what Jesus said here is -
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own blood"?
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U got me laughing .... Once again ! , matt 26:38 and mark 8:36 never mentions "ALTAR" on wich blood is sprinkled! Soul dat Jesus pour to death ,in that context refer to the life of Jesus himself, which he gave in a ransom for many people !!

Contrary to your nollywood movies ............. NOTHING LEAVE JESUS BODY WHEN HE DIES , He was in d grave for 3 days and three nights till he was Ressurected !Matt 12:40