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bingbagbo:
Jesus the Way to the Father

Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." 8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." 9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?


this settles the matter. JESUS actually said HE WAS THE FATHER

MODALISM preacher .... Fake trinitarian , are you saying Jesus is the Father ??

Stop livin in fear ...... Serve God out of love NOT fear of torture ,


There is no HELLFIRE!

"everyone will huzzle and eat in the sweat of his face, until they return to the Dust from which they are taken."! Gen 3:19

When you are alive , you become a " livin soul" Gen 2:7 AND WHEN u lose consciousness and fall asleep in death , you become a " dead soul" Numbers 6:6 !

NOTE:

God is not Wicked Nebuchadnezzar who torture people in fire bcoz they refuse to serve him ( Dan 3:10,11)

Emusan:
Are you OK?
If my post is too comprehensive for you to decipher, why can't you ask a simple question? So that someone who knows the road can lead you?

.... # smiles# am very okay bro

Is it ahead/towards? You can't use both.
I'm very sure you don't even understand yourself

Eeyah ... so your problem is with ahead/towards .Let me write in a language dat u will understand

Emusan went ahead to display his hypocrisy and inconsistency when he said: " I agreed that Jesus has a superior God" but YET went ahead to say Jesus is that same superior God

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It's even good as you quickly twisted that verse by agreeing that Jehovah only applied it to his Son,

ONCE AGAIN:Why is Isaiah 40:3 that refers to clearing the way for the Father,APPLIED to his son Jesus in Joh 1:23 ?, Simply Bcoz Jesus "is a REPRESENTATIVE from the Father,and the Father {Jehovah} sent Jesus"Joh 7:29

leke12:
Hmm! . If someone been chase by a masqurade doesn't generally mean u ar been chase by ur presumed enemy. It can mean diff tins like ur mind play, memory from a movie, health prob or fear control .

I agree with you 100% on the above , ........ Ignorance of this fact and This same superstition attached to everything makes our forefathers believe witches are killin their childs even when its clear that the children are SICKLE CELL Childs

@Rikoduosennin ....... You have spoken well , but you didnt realise what Emusan is up to, he is tryin to tell you that Jehovah of old testament is the Jesus of new testament THEREBY Destroyin is own trinity that said Father and Son are distinct persons AND UNKNOWN TO HIM HE has adopted Modalism, an error Which states that Jehovah of old testament is d same Jesus of new testament !

Emusan went ahead to display his hypocrisy and inconsistency when he said : " He agreed that Jesus has a superior God " but went ahead to Say, Jesus is that same superior God !!!

THE REAL TRUTH

Why is Isaiah 40:3 that refers to clearing the way for The Father, Jehovah APPLIED to his son Jesus in John 1:23 ? ...... Simply Because Jesus is a " REPRESENTATIVE from the Father, and the Father sent Jesus" John 7:29

Numbers 6:6

nice write - up, but concerning the question I asked, you said

eternalifee
On Jesus' appearing before God in heaven, it is because the work of salvation, atonement, redemption, propitiation of mankind before God still continues ...... so he still stands before God as the atonement for all who accept him

So, its clear Jesus stand before God NOT Himself , my question is : whom is that God before whom Jesus stands ??

The hebrew word rendered "soul" in d scriptures is {ne'phesh} .

What do you think about Numbers 6:6 ?

NUMBERS 6:6

" All the days of his keeping separate to Yahweh he may not come toward any dead soul (ne'phesh) " !!

The above is a deadly blow to the doctrine of immortal soul , DEAD SOUL (DEAD NEPHE'SH)many translators decode this and thus render /nephe'sh/ as " body" or " person" to preserve the big lie ! So it sounds " dead body" or " dead person" ......... THE TRUTH will always prevail even after many years of lies,

When will christendom wake up from this tactic of preservin doctrines instead of rendering pure undiluted word of God .

vooks:
who said Jesus is the Father? Puny brains

#smiles#

paulGrundy:
He is not a muslim, he is a jehovahs witness. He also operates these monikers- BIBLESPEAKS, CANTICLES, BERNIMORE, truthislight, loveroftruth.

Cheers.

IMPERSONATOR ! Good morning
A typical confused religious folk ! Ur lies have grown wings ...

Please explain dat scripture for the Op ??

vooks:
Except Christ did not appear to Christ but to God (the Father), they are different persons

Good !! Clap for urself , uv now corrected ur error

Puny brains,

But why call d guy puny brain , pls dont insult anyone on this thread

PastorAIO:
Maybe the word translated into Soul in hebrew (nephesh) is not the same word as that translated into soul in Plato's greek. Maybe they mean different things and it is just a coincidence that they are both translated as soul.

Good insight ! ... They are not the same .

Greek /physke/ and hebrew /nephe'sh/ translated soul refers to a creature that breathes .

In Gen 2:7 ... Scripture says " the man became a livin /nephe'sh/ soul" ..... It refers directly to d creature Adam. 1 Cor 15:45 also agrees with this in the use of /psykhe/

It also refers to animals ;Lev 24:17,18 "the fatal striker of the soul /nephesh/of an animal should make compensation for it" .

In some context .. It denotes " life as a creature" An angel of God appeared to joseph in matt 2:20 saying "for those . Seekin the /psykhe/ life of the young child are dead"

When God said "my soul"Isa 42:1,He was actually sayin "myself" or "my person" NOT som platonic myth

vooks:
Yes, why not?

Explain to us how Christ appear to another Christ, since I know there is only 1 Christ ??

vooks:
Yes he did

This is serious .... Christ appear before Christ ?

elipheleh:
Another Islamic goat who doesn't understand the scriptures

Pls, Explain that scripture for us

DEagle1:
Please i want you to also consider this : Genesis 3 vs 4-5 reads "you shall not surely die, for God knows that the day thou shalt eat thereof thine eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil."

Dont get it wrong my brother

Someone said an hairdresser can make hair! Thats a known fact , infact the work of an hairdresser .

Name of tree = TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL

As d above indicates , the product of that tree is to let anyone that eats it KNOW and have the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL , Infact God himself know this truth, ( Gen 3:5) ..... But the vocal point of detectin who is lyin between God and Satan is their words .

God : " If u eat the tree of good and evil ( as the name indicates, you will know good and evil of course,) But You Will Surely Die ." Gen 2:17

Satan: " If you eat the tree of good and evil ( as d name indicates, you will know good and evil) But You surely will NOT Die" Gen 3:4

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Welcome ... Can u try to explain this :

" For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands .... But he entered into heavens itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf ." !! Heb 9:24

Pls, Did christ appear before himself ??

Let God explain what he meant by death

" And to Adam he said : " In the sweat of your face you will eat bread Until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For Dust you are and to dust you { Adam} Shall Return"" Gen 3:17- 19 !!

But Did Adam died the day he ate the fruit ... YES !! A day with God is 1000years , Adam spent a lifetime of 930 years , from Gods sight he didnt use a day , thus he died within a day and the curse of death overtake him and he finally returned to dust . Gen 3:19,

NOTE : durin that 930 years he fulfilled what God has foretold that he will bcom many ! Thus gave birth to sons and daughters before death finally snatch him away .

Its true some parts of the new testament have been tampered with . # dont be a religious fanatic# ! God wants us to be wise !

EXAMPLE !

The most original gospel of mark ends at Mark 16:8 ( Canon BSy Arm) !!

Certain manuscript such as ( ACD) includes verse 9 - 20 and some latest manuscripts even add more .

Lets take a look at this additions.

Mark 16:14 ... " He ( Jesus) appeared to the eleven and REPROACHED thier lack of faith and hardheartedness" !!! Imagine d same Jesus thats compasionate in Gethsemane now rebuking the apostles and accusin them of hardheartedness ! ... This is suprising . Once again those verses ar not verified !

Mark 16:17,18 " These signs shall accompany those that bliv ... With their hands They will pick up serpents, AND IF they drink anythin deadly it wont hurt them at all " !! Did Jesus say this ? Why are so called christians not picking up serpent since its a sign of blivers ?? Why do they run when they see snakes ?? Una no dey drink Poison?

frosbel:
Let me try to answer you at a kindergarten level since that is within the realm in which you operate.

Jesus is first born from the dead because he is alive forver more, i.e death has no longer any hold on him, whereas the others were liable to die at a later date.

Correct !

TunjiMsp:
I think street preaching should banned outright, most times they enter my street as early as 5am and start their noise pollution, I wonder who is their audience at that Wee hours

Am not against preaching BUT

As early as 5am .... For what ? Who will listen at such hours ?? Ar they shy ??

italo:
What exactly is your rage about?

What am saying is not meant to offend anyone , except the teachers and preachers of lies, fabrication and myths

italo:
Who did God burn?

Nobody .... " the soul that sin - shall die" ! Eze 18:4 ,20 ! So dont be suprised that Adam died and return to dust ( Gen 3:19) !!

paulGrundy:
So the billions of innocent muslims, innocent buddhist, 7 yrs olds and upward...ur grandfathers who haven't heard about Jehovah's witnesses Will be killed at armaggedon.

A typical confused religious folk !

What does Jehovah's witness got to do with my sincere discussion of the Bible ??

So na grandfathers and greatgrandfathers that are dead that will be re-killed in Armageddon ?

GO AND START USING YOUR BRAIN

italo:
No.

This shows the fabricated idea of an hell myth where God roast his own earthly sons and daughters in fire .... His own creatures, is disgusting to God himself !!! Of course, NO Human will burn his son or daughter in fire ... Infact a person can go to jail for such ! It repels God ( ponder over jeremiah 7:31, 19:5, 32:35)

Do you think God burnt his son in hell?

The whole religion fiction make me laugh ..... Imagine God sent his son to die for our sin ? Which sin ? .. Dont forget u religious folks already said people go to heaven when they die even before Jesus come ! So noah, abraham, david are in heaven already , why did Jesus Die ?? Which Sin Again ??

Once again .... If the penalty for sin is hell, then we expect Jesus to pay the ransom by tastin hell for everyone ! Did he burn in such fire to pay for sin ? BIG NO .Inequality at its highest

Since d penalty for sin is simply death .. Jesus simply taste death for everyone

italo:
This thread and its contents so far dont require you to get agitated, aggressive and bitter. There is no need to start cursing God. It doesnt make him cease to exist or add meaningfully to the thread. It only gives you away as insecure in your belief. Why would anyone be so filled with rage against one who doesnt exist?

... Let us reason , so that you would know God

1) do u feel any compassion towards people who are suffering ? U do , i bliv God do too, aftrall we ar created in his image .. Or is he so rigid dat he cant have compassion ?? Not rigid as uv painted him ... Uhm !

2) do u feel sorry for innocent people dat are been maltreated by the rich ? I know u do ... U did bcoz its a nature of God himself

So , answer this .... Cos i bliv anything that repel an human being is disgusting to God : CAN YOU BURN UR SON ALIVE IN THE FIRE ??

starlingleanets:
Do all good works u can in life without salvation u will still go to Hell why? Because all ur righteousness are filthy rags. They are doing what they are sent to do preach salvation in Jesus Christ. True Love cannot come unless u r in Christ.

1) So the billions of innocent muslims, innocent buddhist, 7 yrs olds and upward .... Ur grandfathers who lived in the pre- colonial era, ur great grandfathers , will all be condemned by ur wicked christendom god ??

2) why would a righteous God promise to " ressurect the unrighteous " Act 24:15 , if they are presently in ur fabricated hell ??

3) Show Me the scripture where the bible add such heresy that Goliath, or Judas Iscariot go to ur fabricated hell myth ??

4) where is Adam ??

5) Did scripture tell u such heresy about the people of Noah's day ??

I can see that those who serve a cruel and wicked god ( satan) become just like him .

vooks:
Man,Satan and demons are immortal. Eternal life is life with God, Eternal punishment is life without God.

You are assuming that eternal life is immortality,it is not.

Why dis lie bro ..... Man, Demons, Satan are not immortal !!!! ONLY Jesus is given " immortality" 1 tim 6:16 ONLY JESUS ! All others can be destroyed , u dont exist before God create u and he can return U to that dead non existent state.

Look at your confusion highlighted in blue. Is God punishing Sodom TODAY? Sodom in Jude and 2 Peter is an antitype, Sodom destruction is as literal as Incense in Revelation 5:8

2 Peter 2:6 (KJV)
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha [b]into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

"Turning the cities ( Sodom and Gomorah) into ashes" .... AnythIN turned to ashes is permanently destroyed ( 2pet 2:6)

vooks:
Since this is a parable full of symbols, what does the Son of Man represent?
Secondly, is it possible that everlasting life is equally finite?

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

SO WHO told u the purnishment is not everlasting ........ Sodom and Gomorah will remain desolate till eternity .

What is the everlasting purniment ?? Hellfire , u miss it, for someone to be tormented forver in fabricated hell myth ( go and reasearch on hade's, sheo'l, gehenna), such a person must be granted everlasting life .... Which is a "GIFT" and not a purnishment ( Rom 6:23) !!

This text contrast everlastin life WITH everlasting purnishment [greek /kolasin/] ! Destruction , cut- off from life !

" Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more ..... They will VANISH like smoke" Psalm 37:7,10,20, 34

vooks:
Matthew 25:41King James Version (KJV)
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

God condemns the idea of a burning Nebuchadnezzar's Hell ...... Jer 7:31

Its clear Jesus was not tryin to contradict the scripture where God describe the dead as a person "who knows nothing" Ecc 9:5,10.

In Matt 25:41-46 you quoted above ..... The parable deals with SHEEP and GOATS ( MATT 25:33) , this are representing a certain group of people !!! .... What does the everlastin fire represent ? Remember Sodom and Gomorah and some cities suffer this same purnishment of everlastin fire ! It doesnt mean fire is still burning there .. But dey are completely destroyed and cease existing , the scripture then warns "they are placed before us as a warning example" Jude 7 ... " They were reduced to ashes" Settin a pattern for d ungodly(2pet2:6

ayoku777:
"Revelation is a symbolic book, it is a mystery, it doesn't mean exactly what it said," etc

Signs
Lamb of God is not a literal lamb but refers to Jesus !

Seven stars means seven angels ( Rev 1:20)
Seven Lampstand Means Seven congregations
Lake of fire means second death ( Rev 21:4, 21: !!
Lake of fire is a symbol ! Further bible proof

1) Devil a spirit creature is thrown into it, spirit creatures cant be harmed by fire - exodus 3:2, judges 13:20 !!!

2) death, which means a state of dyin ... An unconscious state ( Ecc 9:10) is thrown into it ! Death cant be tortured. Rev 20:14,21:8

3) "wild beast" and "false prophet" which are symbols were thrown into it, isnt it reasonable dat the lake of fire itself is a symbol?
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CONSIDER THIS:
Devil must live forever to be tortured forever, WHEREAS everlastin life is a gift (rom6:23) !! Haba

2) scripture foretold dat both death and the devil will be brought to Non existent,( Heb 2:14, 1cor 15:26)