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Hiswordxray:Dats what u are sayin ..... NOT what the bible teach Our lord Jesus didnt say everyone will resurect ! " he that exercise faith in me , even though he dies, will come to life" john 11:25 " God love the world so much , that he gave his only begotten son that whoseoever believe in him MIGHT NOT BE DESTROYED But have everlasting life " - john 3:16 Example of somone that will be destroyed withou an hope of ressurection is Judas Iscariot, " Son of destruction" John 17:12 This doesnt mean billions of humans wont be shown mercy : " there is going to be a resurection of the righteous and the unrighteous" Act 24:15 |
Hiswordxray:If Jesus didnt come , what will happen .... We will all be dead ! Just like animals When he came , show me where he says people wont die anymore since av died for you ?? This is what Jesus death makes possible for hopeless mankind: " for death came thru a man ( Adam) and Ressurection of the dead through another man(Jesus) " |
ROSSIKE:The word " hell" is never used in the original scriptures ! It was a tactic to control and loot the masses God himself banned dis doctrine in Jeremiah 7:31, And Jeremiah 19:5 Just like science belief that the brain is dead at death and all consciousness is lost Bible agrees saying " as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all" - Ecclesistes 9:5,10 |
ROSSIKE:The word " hell" is never used in the original scriptures ! It was a tactic to control and loot the masses God himself banned dis doctrine in Jeremiah 7:31, And Jeremiah 19:5 |
@ hiswordxray Jesus knows d present world is "ruled by Satan " John 14:30, John 16:11 . So he knows people will still continue to get sick, old and die (Rom 5:12) .... His promise is : " I am the ressurection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me , Even though he dies will come to life" Joh 11:25 |
Hiswordxray:" And he died for all (everyone), so that those who live should live No Longer For Themselves, BUT FOR HIM WHO DIED FOR THEM AND WAS RAISED UP " - 2 COR 5:15 |
Hiswordxray:" And he died for all (everyone), so that those who live should live No Longer For Themselves, BUT FOR HIM WHO DIED FOR THEM AND WAS RAISED UP " - 1 COR 5:15 |
Hiswordxray:Heb 10:18 " Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer an offering for sin" ! Thats it , though he died once .. Jesus settled it for all time ! No need for continuous offerin of sin as done in the mosaic law from year to year But concerning all humans " if we practice sin willfully after receivin the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin left" heb 10:26 !! Dats it, all humans should obey their Creator and forsake d devil who own sin , .... This accurate text shows dat Christ sacrifice wont cover anyone who practice sin !! For Such Ones " Has trampled on the Son of God and has regarded as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified " heb 10: 29 " And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, BUT for him who died for them and was raised up" 2 corinthians 5:15 |
Hiswordxray:Jesus didnt waste his time .... He achieved the followin: 1) Forgiveness Of Sin: we are prone to err as human, through Jesus ransom sacrifice, a sincere person can receive " forgiveness of sin" Col 1:13,14 without havin to slaughter rams and cow as sacrifice . 2) Serving God with a clean conscience: .... The blood or ransom sacrifice of Christ " cleanse our consciences from Dead works, so that we may render sacred service to the Living God" - Heb 9:14 3) HOPE of everlasting life on earth : "let Ur Kingdom Come ,.... And YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH as it is in heaven" - matt 6:9,10 " the gift God gives is everlasting life through Christ Jesus" Rom 6:23 " the righteous shall possess the Earth and they shall live forever on it" - psalm 37:29 !!! |
Hiswordxray:God shows his undeserved kindness by sendin Christ for the world " What are we to say then? Should we continue in sin so that undeserved kindness may increase? Certainly NOT" ! - ROM 6:1,2 |
Hiswordxray:YES correct .... Jesus takes away the sin of the world , and thus we all now have hope ! But before any son of Adam can benefit from what Jesus has done And be resurected to live forever, this are the criteria : " For God love the world so much that he gave his only begotten son, So that #everyone Exercisin Faith In Him# might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" ! -john 3:16 Those who use faith in this provision and obey Gods law are d ones who will have the hope of been resurected to everlastin life , while others will be destroyed - john 3:16 " Exercise faith in God (JEHOVAH) , also exercise faith in me ( Jesus)" - john 14:1 " this means everlastin life, THEIR COMING to know you, the Only True God ( JEHOVAH), and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ" - Joh 17:3 ! |
Hiswordxray:Jesus told Martha " Your brother will rise." ..Martha Replied " I know he will rise in the Ressurection at the Last Day"- John 11:23,24 Martha has such a strong hope because she has heard Jesus say: ' Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the Grave will hear the Voice of the Son of God and come out' - John 5:28,29 ! But before makin dis statement , Jesus has already make a powerful statement, which is: " Most truly i say to You, The hour is comin and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the son of God and those who have given heed will live" - joh 5:25 ! Those who had not given heed will neva come to life An example of someone who wont be resurected is found in John 17:12 " When I was with them I used to watch over them... And i have kept them, and not one of them is destroyed EXCEPT the son of destruction" ! By callin him ( Judas) the son of destruction .... It means Judas is destroyed and has no hope of a resurection This makes us remember proverb 11:7 that says: " when a wicken man dies, his hope perish" " when a wicked man dies, his hope perish" So also Job 36:6 dat says " God WILL NOT preserve anyone wicked alive" BUT SOME PEOPLE DIED IN IGNORANCE ? Yes , God remembers them ..... We are talkin about people who live without the knowledge of God and His son christ e.g those Nigerian forefathers dat lived and died before the advent of christianity in Africa ! Just an example The bible says : " there is going to be a ressurection of the righteous and the Unrighteous" - Act 24:15 The unrighteous here are dose who lived in " ignorance " - Act 17:30 Act 24:15 says this unrighteous ones will be resurected ! They only benefit from the ransom that God provide through Christ Regarding Ressurection " it is unthinkable that God would put to death the righteous man with the wicked one so that it has to occur with the righteous man as it does the wicked! It is unthinkable of God. Is the Judge of the of all the earth not going to do what is right? " |
Hiswordxray post= 28752232:" In the sweat of YOUR face you will eat bread until YOU return to the GROUND, for out of it YOU were taken. For dust YOU are and to dust YOU will RETURN" - GEN 3:19 Eternal life does not mean continue to exist , it does not mean living forever" the righteous themselves shall possess the earth and they shall LIVE FOREVER On it" - psalm 37:29 Explain this bible verse ephesian 2: 1 -5Eph 2:1 said "they are dead in their sins and trespasses" !!! Fine This make us remember the parable of the prodigal son ! " this your brother was dead and came to life" Luke 15:32 !!! It doesnt mean the prodigal son was packaged inside the CASKET , or he was thrown into earth ... It simply means he has genuinely repented from sin .... So also the people of Ephesus has repented from sinful works !! |
Hiswordxray:The whole writings is explained in rom 8:6 "for to be carnally minded is death" !!! Lols .... Jesus was carnally minded ! Abeg shift .. Dis is spiritual death ! The question canticles is askin u deals with the real death ! When the brain is switched off |
Hiswordxray:Go and burn the book of enoch to ashes ......... Its not part of d scriptures ! This greatest mistake you guys are making in christianity is that you dont know something about Jesus " All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds by ILLUSTRATIONS. Indeed without an ILLUSTRATION he would not speak to them" - Matt 13:34 Thats it, Jesus dont speak without an ILLUSTRATION Lazarus and the richman is an ILLUSTRATION as the prodigal son ( matt 13:34,35) God is not mentioned, immortal soul is not mentioned , heaven is not mentioned ! ......somone is in torment yet is speaking , is dat real to you , put your private organ in fire and see if u will be able to converse ! U will only scream l Take it literal , and uv contradict the whole scriptures 1) it means ABRAHAM is the judge , infact what is d rich man sin ? He has money right ...... " the blessin of God make a man rich" prov 10:22 2) Why is lazarus begging for food if he is righteous ? WHY ....... Psalm 37:25 says the righteous will not be a beggar , talkless of beggin for food !!! 3) did Jesus have to die before anyone have everlasting life ? " God sent his only begotten son ..... In other that anyone exercising faith him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life " John 3:16 Here u are Sayin some people make everlasting life without Jesus dying and taking away the sin of the world ! By takin it literal .....John 3:16 shows uv render Jesus Death Useless 4) Did Lazarus and Abraham In Heaven as som people also conclude from this ILLUSTRATION Here is ur answer straight from the scriptures " NO MAN has ever been to heaven " - john 3;13 " NO MAN has ever been to heaven" - joh 3:13 " NO MAN has ever been to heaven" |
[quote author=Hiswordxray post=28740752]2). Gehenna: this is different from hade ...Verses are - Matt 5:22,29&30. Matt 10:28. Matt 18:9. Matt 23:15,33. Mar 9:43,45&47. Luk 12:5. and Jam 3:6. [/quote ] Gehenna is the greek word for hebrew Gehinnom ( valley of hinnom) ..... In the greek septuagint translation gehenna was used in Joshua 15:8 where valley of hinnom appears For a time .... It served as a mass disposal of rubbish for the inhabitants of Jerusalem #a matter of historical fact# , Gehenna ( valley of hinnom) is not an unseen place of torment , its a geographical location that exist till today Joshua 15:8 God prophesied that gehenna will turn to a "MASS GRAVEYARD" Jer 7:32 This Is What Jesus is usin Gehenna to symbolize " Most truly i say to you, The hour is comin, and it is now when the Dead will hear the voice of the son of God , and those who give heed will live" - joh 5:25 What happen to those who dont give heed ? FOREVER DEAD ,never coming to live |
Hiswordxray:Am Happy you finally hit the nail on the head that the word "hell" is not an hebrew or greek word and never appeared in the original scriptures ! Sheo'l" and Hades Ecc 9:10 says all humans will go to " Sheo'l" ( GRAVE english) Psalm 16:10 prophetically says Jesus was not left in " Sheo'l" ( GRAVE english) ... Act 2:31 states that Jesus was not left in " Hade's" ( GRAVE) REV 20:13,14, rev 21:4 states clearly that death and the Grave ( Hades) will be no more |
honourhim:Listen ! 1.) it make God worst Than PAGANS " they do for their gods every Detestable thing that Jehovah hates, EVEN BURNING THEIR SONS AND THEIR DAUGHTERS in the FIRE to their gods" - deu 12:31 2) IT MAKE GOD WORST THAN THIS MAN "then Nebuchadnezzar became so furious with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego that the expression of his face changed towards them, and he gave orders to HEAT THE FURNACE 7 times Hotter than usual ... And bind shadrach, meshach and Abednego and to throw them into the burning fiery furnace" - Dan 3: 19,20 3) IT STAINS GOD'S PERSONALTY " they built the high places of Ba'al in other to Burn their sons in the fire as a whole burnt offering to Baal. Something that I had not commanded or Spoken of and that had never even come into my heart " Jer 19:5 |
Hiswordxray:Stop dis noise ..... Dont try to control an adult child with " ojuju calabar" ! No wonder u cant answer dat simple question canticles gave u, WHAT IS HELL ? Hell is d english word used to translate hebrew " sheo'l" and greek "hade's " ... Which means " GRAVE" ! REV 20:14 King james Bible "and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire" REV 20:14 New international version " then death and hade's were thrown into the lake of fire" REV 20:14 NEW living translation " then death and the GRAVE were thrown into the lake of fire" Rev 20:14 Aramaic Bible in plain english "and death and sheo'l were cast into the lake of fire" ! Death here was personified , it cant be tortured, Lake of fire itself symbolize second " DEATH " rev 21:8! Anythin dat goes into d symbolic lake of fire cease to exist Explained: it simply means " death will cease to exist" Rev 21:4 ! |
Syncan:c'mon .... This scripture has first been applied to someone before Christ!! Did Jesus marry the daughter of tyre ?? Obviously not ! But the psalmist said d person did (psa 45:9) infact the song is about a beloved women whom a king admires(prologue to psalm 45) !! First He calls His son God, then He Identifies His person as God (father), who Jesus has humbled himself to obey even unto death. Phil 2:8there is one God the father .... And our lord Jesus will obey him till eternity !! 1cor 15:24-28 !! The son himself will also subject himself to THE ONE WHO subject all things to him !! Wow ... |
menix:hmm ..... okay |
Now to your 1cor15:24-28, Note that from the time "the word" took flesh (Jn1:14), Jesus became of two natures (God and man) united in Jesus Christ. Humanity is lower than divinity(phil2:7-8.), such that the father, now have to elevate this new humanity that has been glorified in Christ, after the victory on the cross. It is this new humanity of Christ, which was resurrected, that all will be subject to. Note that as "the word" all things were already subject to him from beginning, for all things were made by him (Col1:16), but as human, he merited the subjection of all things because of his redeeming of mankind.You must be kidding !!! ....... Is dis the verse by verse explanation of 1cor 15:24-28 , c'mon be serious !!! Pls explain 1 cor 15:24-28 for this thread |
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Syncan:eeyah! Na wa for your "thou" "thyest" version o ...... So paul was askin us to consider it not robery to be equal with God ? If u forget i will remind u ; phi 9:5 says " HAVE THIS MIND AMONG YOURSELVES" !! Wich sud hav d mind that we are equal with God .. Uhm ? That Jesus was a liar when he said " father is greater than I" whereas they are equal .... Uhm , dis trinitarian stuff is blasphemy RSV (REVISED STANDARD VERSION) Phil 9:5,6 reads " Have This Mind Among Yourselves , which is yours in Christ Jesus " 6 "who though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped" ....... Cleared !!! This renderin agreed with Jesus own word in joh 14:28 #cheeers# mr , i told u ur bliv is of the church and not the BIBLE , or else explain 1cor 15:24-28 verse by verse for this thread !!! Dont avoid it #winks# |
Syncan:DEBUNKED " For us there is one God, The Father" 1cor 8:5,6 ! How many God ? One !! Whom is dat God composed of ? The scripture says " Only The Father" ! " Only The Father" U ar defendin a bliv founded by the church and not the Bible .... " Jehovah" is the only true God john 17:3! Trinitarians are cowards who search d scripture for selfish ambition, ....... So explain 1 cor 15:24-28 verse by verse for this thread !! |
Syncan:I can see u dont understand what u are sayin at all ..... Funny enough, the scripture u just quoted to refute d scripture quoted by canticles said " Jesus thought it as robbery to be equal with God" !!! Wich means Jesus neva think about equating with God ....... GBAM! Trinitarians Are Cowards who search d scripture to defend a bliv founded by the church and not the Bible ! Dats why am asking u to explain 1cor 15:24-28 verse by verse for this thread !!! |
Syncan:the passage of Psalm 45 first apply to an ancient human King a thousand years before Jesus was born .... He is marryin the princess of Tyre ( Psalm 45: 9 - 13) !!! Now it should rather be obvious to most people that God would not be reffering to the Davidic king as " God" !! THE RSV translates the passage as " Your divine throne endures forever and ever"- psalm 45:6 this captures the sense of the passage. We can see from a review of the original passage that God is NOT identifying the Ancient Davidic King Getting Married to the princess of tyre as "God" , BUT is refferin to the fac that he sits upon a divinely established throne (1 chro 29:23) , NW reads in hebrew 1:8 " God is your throne forever and ever" The fact that verse 9 says : thats why God, YOUR God annoints you !!! God cannot have a God or someone to annoint him, God's God or what ? Shows that there is a serious problem with the trinitarian translation |
Syncan:I so much like you for the fact that u deal with evidence ... Thats very cool !!! I later realise that Heb 1:7-9 is quoted from psalm 45: 6,7 wich originally was addressed to a human king in isreal , the writer doesnt have it in mind that the Isrealite King is Almighty God ! But that God is his throne . ..... No wonder the New English Bible says " Your throne is like God's throne" psalm 45:6 ! And God is their throne in isreal simply beacause all the Kings in isreal sits " upon Jehovah's Throne" 1 Chronicles 29:23 NW With that knowledge, Note also that in Heb 1:7-9 !! Verse 7 says God is speakin ........ While verse 9 shows that the person (Jesus) been addressed is a worshipper , 9 "That is why God, YOUR God, annointed you ..... More than your partners " ! The person been addressed has a God who annoints him as a King |
anthoniaz:I Grab Ur Point .... U Are Correct |
queensley55:I Really Feel for ur cousin sister who lost her mum , thats very painful ..... But my sister, while her mum is alive , they do things together and she will neva see her daughter and dissapear ! But how can a loving mum dissapears from the sight of her daughter and mother ?? She is not the one, her image was just been used !!! If she is , she wuld ask about her daughter's welfare and they will cry in each others arm , thats true Ressurection !! This Version is demonic and fake NOT OF LOVE IMAGINE some situations when, a father died and his family maltreat his wife and children, even sending them to forced labour ....... As a lovin parent, the father will neva allow such, but can he do anything ?? Nope, He Is Dead!! "and As for the dead, they know nothing at all" Ecc 9:5 So Also, " They Are Dead, they will not live .... Impotent in death, they will not rise up" Isa 26:14 |
anthoniaz:Nice one ..... U also said u hate people who always want to play smart , is it just those who behave as parasites dat play smart ?? |
Dahjhi:hmm .... Friend save and kills !! |

