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ayoku777:
First the argument was that "everlasting fire" doesn't mean anyone will burn there forever.

Then it became 'only Satan and the beast will be tormented forever' not humans.

Now, it is Satan, the beast and "the beast fellowship".

How many different categories of people, with separate hell fire fate and experience do we have now?

Do you just make up stuff as you go? Don't do that, don't make up doctrine as you go. It will not lead you to the truth.

There is nowhere in scripture that the cessation of existence in the lake of fire is implied or portrayed.

And that passage said

shdemidemi:
Yes they do have a spirit if interpreted as the element of life but they were not created in the image of God.

They are not a living soul(inner man and outer man) like man and that is why they are referred to as beast.

shdemidemi:
My friend, no one is in heaven as we speak..If you must know heaven will be on earth i.e the new earth.

2) Dust you shall return.

Man was made from dust, however, his spirit was not made from dust. His spirit will surely face the righteous judgement of God. Some will have a new glorified body while some will be subjected to eternal damnation.

shdemidemi:
The idea of preaching hell and heaven cannot bring anyone to salvation. There is no power of God unto salvation behind such teaching. But, does that stop hell from being real? Never.

A parable depicted what hell will be like and a certain man requested to go tell the world about it... God discontinued such idea.

The only gospel that has the inherent power to save remains the news of Christ

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. [size=28pt]It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes[/size]—the Jew first and also the Gentile.

asalimpo:
a threat or a warning which?
You can freely leave God just as u can freely leave a secure zone but if ur warned tht danger awaits outside ,is tht a threat?
Stop gettg it twisted.
You cant freely leave satan or one of his phony hell-traps (false religions.) the devil aint no diplomat.

Try leavg islam.
Try leavg JW.
Try leavg the mafia.
Try leavg this eck thing.

bsjay:
Are you just knowing that all so-called jehova's witnesses are antichrist? The word "antichrist" simply means anti-spiritual. Those who refuse to believe in anything spiritual and therefore fight against it. They are earthly and therefore imagine that everything has its origin from the gross material earth and must end on gross material earth. They are all spiritually dead and their final destination is that same hell whose existence they try to extinguish out of shear stupidity and spiritual indolence.
By them not believing in the Holy Trinity, they already mark Christ Jesus as a blasphemer and liar. They are victims of one man's ignorance and evil mission, Mr Russell, founder of watch tower and a member of Freemasonry in New York. Am so surprised cos freemasons are known to be enlightened ones.
Am talking not as a Christian but as an enlightened person!

lastmessenger:
Yes but the truth remains the truth. Why am I interested in this discussion? Is it because I am going to hell? Or because I am afraid of eternal torture? The answer is capital NO.
I will inherit eternal life and I work out my salvation through dear and trembling but I am doing what I am doing because
1. I understand the need to release people from unnecessary fear. Here people are told to pay tithe, pay first fruit and all other dubious money making schemes with the threat of eternal torture in hell if they fail. To obey. You see people living in fear and doing things because they just want to avoid the torture of hell. Even if na you, you will do anything foolish to avoid the place of torture.
2. I also understand the need for people to love God not because they are threatened but because they want to love God.

paulGrundy:
Everybody knows that you Promote watchtower theology in this forum.

The bible never said anything about where Adam went to when he died. I think that the Bible shows that there is a good possibility he went to heaven.

Image123:
Errr, when a serpent is bruised, it can heal, or be treated, or lose a contest but live to fight another day, or something
.

Interesting this.
Jesus died to destroy the devil,

Watch and see na. What did the grave present when it gave up the dead in it?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus, the Son, is the Creator of all things. If He created all things what else didn't He create?

Image123:
. Genesis 3 says nothing like annihilation,

Hebrews 2 talks about what Jesus did to the devil on the cross(when He died)

Revelations CLEARly tells us devil will be punished forever,

Image123:
Sincere questions to frosb, lastmessenger, CAPTIVATOR,Do you believe that God will send devil(s) to hell, do you believe it will be forever?

bsjay:
My dear, you are in a sorry state. You gratefully embrace the doctrine of Russell without examining it with ur spirit nor ever seeking to know who Mr Russell was. Have you ever thought of why Mr Russell's grave, the founder of watch tower(jehova's witnesses) was made in a pyramid shape? I will tell u the lodge he was connected to in New York as a freemason before he protester of all Truths. His aims and mission ot watch tower. You are only victims of the most poisonous doctrines without first making findings before accepting it. Am happy that I've been able to impart on the life of so many of your members who are still spiritually alive. As for you, I suggest you don't wait for the too late.

PastorAIO:
Nope, that's not what I said. I said total annihilation would be a better solution than eternal torture. The sinner did not beg God to create him. So why after creating him must he now suffer eternally? God bears all the responsibility here. If God can't achieve his purpose with man then he should just return man back to the nonexistence where he brought man from.

honourhim:
Young man you are lying as usual. There are many places in the scripture where God sent people to go and destroy the lives of people and even animal.
And of course I know about accidental killing in the bible.

honourhim:
I throw back your question to you- is God a hypocrite? He banned killing yet supported it at some point.

As for the one of Adam,

honourhim:
False prophet you want us to go round this argument again? I dont have such silly time to waste on you. This fear you are constantly exhibiting here is not the way out. Repent and embrace Jesus. He is the only way out.

honourhim:
False prophet you want us to go round this argument again? I dont have such silly time to waste on you. This fear you are constantly exhibiting here is not the way out. Repent and embrace Jesus. He is the only way out.

honourhim:
false prophet you want to twist that scripture in your usual style?

Romans 8:1 "there is therefore now no condemnation for them which are in Christ Jesus."

Hebrews 12:2 "looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith".

By God's grace i ve escaped hell fire so i dont need to fear it like you. Repent and stop deceiving yourself and the innocent souls here.

frosbel:
^^

Thank you, if my life is in shambles because I have rejected your foolishness and worship of a pagan god, then super duper , no qualms pal.

Your Baba says that you will be overtaken by a surprise in 2015, haha.

Enjoy your holiday.

Image123:
1. Are you a christian?

2. Does the scripture tell where Solomon went when he died?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus Christ was not created but is the Creator (Colossians 1:16; John 1:3). If you really read and understood my post you would have realised that the term firstborn, when defined biblically, actually means that Jesus Christ is "first in rank" and "preeminent" over the creation that He brought into being.

Image123:
Funny fellow, you asked me if Ecclesiastes was inspired by God and clarification on a verse there. What do i have to do with you, if you wanna ask questions, ask properly na.
Of course, every BODY goes to the grave as it were, but your inside man goes some other place. BTW, i don't think i said that Solomon went anywhere so I'm not getting into the argument.

bsjay:
Yes, it does make them become good depending on their inner attitude towards the torments they face. It's same with those on earth going through difficulties, suffering and hardship. If they accept the fact that they themselves decided the fate and that they duly deserve it, truly, their past guilts are taken from them. But those who say why me?directly affirm that God is unjust by allowing them suffer an evil fate they don't deserve, in this way they incur more and more new evil fates. God alone is holy and just!

Image123:
i think it is the inspired Word of God.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The context of Ecclesiastes is UNDER THE SUN. Under the Sun referring to this earth.

Saqqi01:
Almost every religion there is a faith that before the creation human God Almighty created the souls and God also took an Oath from all the souls that they will be obedient to their God. This happened millions of years ago and then those souls were put into the sculpture made with clay by God himself. So the death is actually for that sculpture of clay our souls remains immortal.

Feel free to Pass your comments

dorox:
Number 3 is the most profound reason why it doesn't make sense to believe in the immortalility of the soul, it makes God a liar which we all know to be impossible. Therefore, it must be fase.

OLAADEGBU:
If you had read my post earlier you wouldn't be using this old and tired argument.

OLAADEGBU:
Let me reiterate my question. When did Jesus come into existence?