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manmustwac: Am not sure if i can make it now. As i write am on my way to North london to buy stuff to sell at this weekends carnival

Not being nosey but what stuff are you selling at the carnical

Mr anony: It seems it is only me and you here. once again, regretfully, I don't think our meet will hold anymore.

@Mr anony

You chose today of all the sunny days for the meet, tsk-tsk-tsk.

MMW can turn up as he lives just round the corner, if he hasn't yet moved outskirts,

If the numbers are encouraging, am watching this space and in

shdemidemi: ^^ IN^^

@shdemidemi

If for certain and numbers are right, for Potters, am in too

but concerning your invite, hope its not African time like the last event,

we had to pack our bibles and leave after three hours waiting, last month when the breakfast event didn't kick off as scheduled.

"Praise the Lord, it's four yes' . . . " - Simon Cowell

cj1080: There is a new product in the market called car cams.

it is set just above the drives sit and it gives a view of the passenger.

E.g a police,lastma office and you giving bribe to them. Say cheese for the camera everyone. "Cheese".

Car Cam. for those inappropriate moments.

https://www.nairaland.com/1228624/portable-car-camcorder-dvr-video

bolaino: I was watching TV recently, and I saw the leader of the RCCG, pa adeboye, preaching and he said something, he said "and The lord said to me son, ......."

And it struck me, we always hear pastors and different christian brethren claiming to hear the voice of God regularly, and I would like to ask, what does the voice of God sound like?

Is it really the voice of God these people hear?

Or it's just plain old intuition that they construe as the voice of the lord, your opinions please.

[size=16pt]4 Keys to Hearing God - You Can Hear God's Voice[/size]

Christianity is unique among religions, for it alone offers a personal relationship with the Creator beginning here and now, and lasting throughout eternity. Jesus declared, "This is eternal life that they may know [God]" (Jn. 17:2).

Unfortunately, many in the Church miss the great blessing of fellowship with our Lord because we have lost the ability to recognize His voice within us.

Though we have the promise that "My sheep hear My voice," too many believers are starved for that intimate relationship that alone can satisfy the desire of their hearts.

I was one of those sheep who was deaf to his Shepherd until the Lord revealed four very simple keys (found in Habakkuk 2:1, 2) that unlocked the treasure of His voice

[size=15pt]Key #1 [/size]God's voice in your heart often sounds like a flow of spontaneous thoughts.

Habakkuk knew the sound of God speaking to him (Hab. 2:2). Elijah described it as a still, small voice (I Kings 19:12). I had always listened for an inner audible voice, and God does speak that way at times. However, I have found that usually, God's voice comes as spontaneous thoughts, visions, feelings, or impressions.

For example, haven't you been driving down the road and had a thought come to you to pray for a certain person? Didn't you believe it was God telling you to pray? What did God's voice sound like? Was it an audible voice, or was it a spontaneous thought that lit upon your mind?

Experience indicates that we perceive spirit-level communication as spontaneous thoughts, impressions and visions, and Scripture confirms this in many ways. For example, one definition of paga, a Hebrew word for intercession, is "a chance encounter or an accidental intersecting." When God lays people on our hearts, He does it through paga, a chance-encounter thought "accidentally" intersecting our minds.

Therefore, when you want to hear from God, tune to chance-encounter or spontaneous thoughts.

[size=15pt] Key #2[/size] Become still so you can sense God's flow of thoughts and emotions within.

Habakkuk said, "I will stand on my guard post..." (Hab. 2:1). Habakkuk knew that to hear God's quiet, inner, spontaneous thoughts, he had to first go to a quiet place and still his own thoughts and emotions. Psalm 46:10 encourages us to be still, and know that He is God. There is a deep inner knowing (spontaneous flow) in our spirits that each of us can experience when we quiet our flesh and our minds. If we are not still, we will sense only our own thoughts.

Loving God through a quiet worship song is one very effective way to become still. (Note II Kings 3:15.) After I worship and become silent within, I open myself for that spontaneous flow. If thoughts come of things I have forgotten to do, I write them down and dismiss them. If thoughts of guilt or unworthiness come, I repent thoroughly, receive the washing of the blood of the Lamb, putting on His robe of righteousness, seeing myself spotless before God (Is. 61:10; Col. 1:22).

To receive the pure word of God, it is very important that my heart be properly focused as I become still because my focus is the source of the intuitive flow. If I fix my eyes upon Jesus, the intuitive flow comes from Jesus. But if I fix my gaze upon some desire of my heart, the intuitive flow comes out of that desire. To have a pure flow I must become still and carefully fix my eyes upon Jesus. Again, quietly worshiping the King, and receiving out of the stillness that follows quite easily accomplishes this.

Fix your gaze upon Jesus (Heb. 12:2), becoming quiet in His presence and sharing with Him what is on your heart. Spontaneous thoughts will begin to flow from the throne of God to you, and you will actually be conversing with the King of Kings!

[size=15pt] Key #3[/size] As you pray, fix the eyes of your heart upon Jesus, seeing in the Spirit the dreams and visions of Almighty God.

Habakkuk said, "I will keep watch to see," and God said, "Record the vision" (Hab. 2:1,2). Habakkuk was actually looking for vision as he prayed. He opened the eyes of his heart, and looked into the spirit world to see what God wanted to show him. This is an intriguing idea.

God has always spoken through dreams and visions, and He specifically said that they would come to those upon whom the Holy Spirit is poured out (Acts 2:1-4, 17).

I had never thought of opening the eyes of my heart and looking for vision. However, I have come to believe that this is exactly what God wants me to do. He gave me eyes in my heart to see in the spirit the vision and movement of Almighty God. There is an active spirit world all around us, full of angels, demons, the Holy Spirit, the omnipresent Father, and His omnipresent Son, Jesus. The only reasons for me not to see this reality are unbelief or lack of knowledge.

In order to see, we must look. Daniel saw a vision in his mind and said, "I was looking...I kept looking...I kept looking" (Dan. 7:2,9,13). As I pray, I look for Jesus, and I watch as He speaks to me, doing and saying the things that are on His heart. Many Christians will find that if they will only look, they will see, in the same way they receive spontaneous thoughts. Jesus is Emmanuel, God with us (Matt. 1:23). It is as simple as that. You can see Christ present with you because Christ is present with you. In fact, the vision may come so easily that you will be tempted to reject it, thinking that it is just you. But if you persist in recording these visions, your doubt will soon be overcome by faith as you recognize that the content of them could only be birthed in Almighty God.

Jesus demonstrated the ability of living out of constant contact with God, declaring that He did nothing on His own initiative, but only what He saw the Father doing, and heard the Father saying (Jn. 5:19,20,30). What an incredible way to live!

Is it possible for you to live out of divine initiative as Jesus did? Yes! Fix your eyes upon Jesus. The veil has been torn, giving access into the immediate presence of God, and He calls you to draw near (Lk. 23:45; Heb. 10: 19-22). I pray that the eyes of your heart will be enlightened.

[size=15pt]Key #4[/size] Journaling, the writing out of your prayers and God's answers, brings great freedom in hearing God's voice.

God told Habakkuk to record the vision (Hab. 2:2). This was not an isolated command. The Scriptures record many examples of individuals' prayers and God's replies (e.g. the Psalms, many of the prophets, Revelation).

I call the process "two-way journaling," and I have found it to be a fabulous catalyst for clearly discerning God's inner, spontaneous flow, because as I journal I am able to write in faith for long periods of time, simply believing it is God. I know that what I believe I have received from God must be tested. However, testing involves doubt and doubt blocks divine communication, so I do not want to test while I am trying to receive. With journaling, I can receive in faith, knowing that when the flow has ended I can test and examine it carefully, making sure that it lines up with Scripture.

You will be amazed when you journal. Doubt may hinder you at first, but throw it off, reminding yourself that it is a biblical concept, and that God is present, speaking to His children. Relax. When we cease our labors and enter His rest, God is free to flow (Heb. 4:10). Sit back comfortably, take out your pen and paper, smile, and turn your attention toward the Lord in praise and worship, seeking His face. After you write your question to Him, become still, fixing your gaze on Jesus You will suddenly have a very good thought. Don't doubt it; simply write it down. Later, as you read your journaling, you, too, will be blessed to discover that you are indeed dialoguing with God.

Some final notes: Knowing God through the Bible is a vital foundation to hearing His voice in your heart, so you must have a solid commitment to knowing and obeying the Scriptures. It is also very important for your growth and safety that you be related to solid, spiritual counselors All major directional moves that come through journaling should be confirmed by your counselors before you act upon them

http://www.cwgministries.org/Four-Keys-to-Hearing-Gods-Voice

reganvida: . . . A spokesperson of the charity commission told the Guardian newspapers that investigations “regarding the charity’s management and policies” are on-going. “We have considered documents and information shared by the trustees and our case is continuing,” she said.

The congregants of the U.K. branch of the church are allegedly given credit cards forms to make donations as they arrive for service. The forms are inscribed with a verse from the Bible’s Book of Corinthians which reads, “God loveth a cheerful giver.”

Documents submitted to the Charity Commission show the parent organisation of the church, £8 million rich World Mission Agency, makes paltry donations to charity causes

. . . The Nigerian headquarters of the church prides itself as having the biggest church auditorium in the world. The auditorium sits over 50,000 congregants.

“All of us have a growing concern about any kind of mercenary response that puts cash at the centre of Christian faith.

I challenge any movement, including Winners, to be open and account for its money wherever it goes because it comes originally from hard working faithful people,” said Joel Edwards, a senior figure in the British evangelical movement and director of the Micah Challenge which is running Exposed, a global anti-corruption campaign directed at churches, business and government . . .

https://www.micahchallenge.org.uk/images/stories/photos/joel-edwards.jpg
^{Joel Edwards}

Joel Edwards was the General Director of the Evangelical Alliance until the end of 2008.

He is now International Director for Micah Challenge, a global Christian response to extreme poverty.

Joel was also co-Chair of Micah Challenge from 2004-2007.

Prior to his role within Micah Challenge, Joel was General Director of the Evangelical Alliance UK, a post he held for over 10 years.

Joel is committed to harmonise matters of faith in the public square, and to advocate on behalf of the world’s poor.

Joel continues to hold a number of other roles, including serving as an Advisory Member of Tony Blair’s Faith Foundation, and was formerly a Commissioner on the Equality and Human Rights Commission for the UK.

A regular broadcaster with the BBC and other UK and international media channels, Joel is often asked to bring a Christian perspective to current issues.

He also serves as a member of the Advisory Board on Human Rights & Religious Freedom with the British Foreign & Commonwealth Office

Born: Jamaica

shdemidemi: shdemidemi is not Kunle, they are two separate people.

You are right, the show was 'questions in the heart' with Esher Funmi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pakqhGqCBN4

Yeah, that's the one I watched.

You're right, yeah again shdemidemi and Kunle are two separate people

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shdemidemi: I don't mind atall ....you can share the link

shdemidemi: Great, I will be right at the reception welcoming guests.

I've watched Pastor Kunle Surakatu before on this christian channel programme I can't recall the name, it's anchored by a lady
Are you him?

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lagerwhenindoubt: This is just to say. This shall be my very last post on Nairaland. Apparently you cannot unregister your account. I want to say 5000+ posts later, it has been worth the experience. I will miss a lot of you who have made this journey a cracker of sorts. I no longer find the passion to post or read off NL anymore.

I have my reasons and I would rather keep them off NL. Take care all.

Yours Truly

@lagerwhenindoubt

The chips are down but hey it was good while it lasted ...
Sayonara amigo

SimonAndal:

I'm Buddhist, bro. None of the Christian guilt.

@SimonAndal
OK noted then and post's edited however what does your "the awakened one" have to say about mastur.bation?

SimonAndal:
I'm not gonna tell you mast*rbation is not a sin as sin is relative.

I mast*rbate, and I don't feel guilty, neither do I feel ashamed .

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@SimonAndal
Masturba.ting without lust however seems to be the biggest area of conflict for Christians most

kendraloops: edit
When I posted dis topic, all I was xpctin by way of comments was pple tellin wen to pay n all.

I must confess dat av bin sooo surprised (in a gud way though) by d kinda comments pouring in.

Neva in my life did I knw dat pple held dis type of view.

Tot tithing was as natural to a xtian as callin on Jesus.

@kendraloops

You thought wrong ...

In the bible, tithing, offerings and the temple tax is mentioned.

But, the church teaches it today in a way that is non-biblical.

The temple tax was what was used to support the temple.

It was a set amount, like a shekel per person, about 25 cents each.

With several million people giving a shekel, this was adequate

Today, the tithe is used instead of the temple tax.

Originally, only the men came 3 times a year to bring an offering . . . not the women or children…. . . especially not single mothers, widows, cripples, sick people, poor people.

When tithing was done, only landowners did it, because the tithe came from their harvest of land that was completely paid for. People who did not own property could not do this. They were only servants. When the tithe was brought, as well as offerings, the giver ate the tithe before the Lord, and shared some with the priest. This was a time of fellowship with God, like having an intimate dinner with the Lord.

The tithe was not used to support the priest’s salary, or buy him a car, or build him a house. In fact, the priest was not allowed to own any property.

Today, pastors use the tithe to pay themselves, build additions on to the church, and pay administrative costs. The poor usually get nothing, and “eating the tithe” is considered robbing God.

The church frowns on the giver keeping some of the tithe for one’s own use, like buying food to eat, because the tithe belongs to God, not the giver, according to the church view.


This is not what scripture says. Scripture says the purpose of the tithe is for the giver to eat it (actually physically benefiting from it), and do so before the Lord, sharing with others who have need.

Today, the giver is denied any benefit from the tithe, thus denying him his fellowship dinner with the Lord.

Instead, it is removed from him under a message of guilt and obligation, and the pastor and elders pull a salary from his gift.

In the bible, the pastors and elders did not get paid. The bible said they all worked for a living, and anyone who did not work, did not eat. No one, especially the leaders, expected others to work while they sat around on their holy behinds, and waited for a free handout. All the believers studied the scriptures, not just the pastors.

And all the believers were ministers to others. No one had a paid position. This is an artificial system created by so called leaders who did not want to work for a living.


To make it worse, instead of just demanding tithes from the men who owned property and had a harvest, the church now shamelessly demands tithes out of widows, students, single moms, and sick people on disability.

Instead of feeding the poor, the church is taxing the poor.

If one is not a tither in the church, then they cannot have membership. If one then is not a member, then they deserve no benefits from the church, especially financial help, which is the main need of the poor.

[b]People who are still trying to buy their first property, and are in debt, are required to give, even though this is against scripture.

Some ministers actually have the nerve to tell people who do not have any money (the poor), to put large donations on their credit cards, going into debt, and just believe God will bring money to them so they can pay the credit card bill. People are threatened with the curses of God if they do not tithe.

In the Bible, God wanted 10% of what the property owner had produced on his land as a profit, not 10% before expenses.

In the church today, members are required to give 10% of their gross, before expenses, not their “profit” after expenses.

In the bible days, there were no federal taxes, state taxes, social security deductions, parking fees, gasoline expenses, auto insurance, electricity bills, property taxes, IRS, and babysitting fees.

All there was – was the temple tax of one shekel (25 cents).

The church has no mercy on people who actually work for a living, and demands 10% of the gross. This is really sick.

The average church does not preach the gospel to the unsaved. The average church supports its own “me first ” programs.

Church programs may be fine in concept, but the meaning of the offerings and tithes is lost in a new social hall, and a pay raise for the pastor, who will not work for a living as the bible requires.

The bible never told any pastor to quit working and hang around full time as a pastor. What do these pastors do all week? Are they reaching the lost as they claim? Answer . . . No[/b].

kendraloops The sheep need to get smart. They are ministers too.

Pastors are only for the newly saved, because once they are taught, they should be out helping others, bringing new converts into the church.

In the bible, the pastors were only for the untaught gentiles. The Jews did not need pastors since they already knew the scriptures.

It is a modern day DISGRACE that pastors have convinced members that they are to stay forever in the church, once they are taught, and just stay to pay tithes to support the pastor’s salary.

After 20-30 years, these members should be doing more than sitting there. They should be out preaching the gospel to the unsaved. They do not “need” their pastor anymore because they are not newly saved and in need of teaching.

If kendraloops the sheep just realized the power they had, they would bust loose from this bondage and turn the world upside down. I hope and pray they get the point soon.

Buy the truth, and sell it not Prov 23:23.

"Buy the truth and do not sell it - wisdom, instruction and insight as well" - Prov 23:23 NIV

"Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding" - Prov 23:23 KJV

Do not sell the gospel !!

http://heavenawaits./108/

Pastor Olu T: @Pastor Olu T

Am i missing something, then what exactly is the church for?

Yes, you are missing something, what exactly is the church for, is to build a new camp auditorium in their redemption camp along Lagos - Ibadan expression way.

The new auditorium will measure 3km by 3km and will be completed before their next convention.

No doubt it will be first of its kind in the world and this arose because their old camp auditorium can no longer contain their ever increasing members during their national programmes

https://www.nairaland.com/1392020/rccg-build-new-camp-auditorium

# Dramatic irony

turnstoner: CYOA my asss

@turnstoner

When you've have decided to start and set up your own internet forum, we will watch to see how you CYOA then.

Henceforward I am defollowing your comment(s)

Yes, maclatunji is now a Religion moderator albeit he might merely be temping

turnstoner: carcam my asss

@turnstoner

Which part are you disagreeing with turnstoner.

You don't understand.

MMW should have got Seun in his corner and have him hold his back before lashing out to Maclatunji.

MMW didn't and so got unceremoniously suspended by Seun.

MMW knows about "CYA" or "CMA" not your type of asss turnstoner and you better "CYOA" pronto now!

MMW is my homie, he works professionally and knows about "CYA" or "CMA" practices in organizations that serve to protect oneself from penalties, criticism or other punitive measures.

He let me down on this one, (i.e. not doing the "CYA" or "CMA" practice by directly pm'ing Seun)

Uyi Iredia: ^^^

I've been in leadership positions and so do know leaders have the benefit of foresight which followers don't.

Despite that, I disagree with the the mmw case. I do think as far as I see that it was rash.

I QUITE agree with the Deep Sight ish though. Though he might actually keep to his decision to leave.

@Uyi Iredia

Then you haven't read Ayatullah's yet and/or similar in the past like it:

by Ayatullah(m)

Gender: m

Location: Abuja-Nigeria

Time registered: April 14, 2009

Time spent online: 11 days & 19 hours

Signature: May God's mercy be on Nigeria

Last seen: 5:05pm

Re: I Dare You To Change Your Religion Or Denomination For At Least A Month by Ayatullah(m): 1:41pm

@OLUWASEUN OSEWA, I reported the abusive dialogue rigormortis' dirty and satanic mind created between a 'Muslim' and 'Muhamed', but no action was taken to sanction him.

If people like rigormortis are bereft of idea and cannot be able to withstand healthy and intellectual debate but chose to insult a noble prophet then you OLUWASEUN OSEWA who owns Nairaland should be prepared to face the anger of the Muslims, because your silence at a clear abuse of the rules you set and above all an abuse on the Noble Prophet of Islam should be borne by you.

Perhaps you think only Nigerians are visiting your Forum.

There is still time to make the necessary correction or face the anger of Muslims all over the world in a way that will surprise you.

https://www.nairaland.com/1380683/dare-change-religion-denomination-least/27#17341681

Enigma: ^^^ It is bad manners to edit my post the way you have done.

I wrote what I wrote and meant what I wrote.

Enigma: ^^^ OK, sorry I get you now.

The way it looked was that my opinion was being modified!

When quoting others I cut out what is not closely connected or appropriate to the matter that caught my eye.

I also cut out because of the smartphone moaners that whinge due to their bandwidth use limits (i.e. they complain when you repeat the quotes)

Everyone's is seeing Seun as the perpetrator and the instigator of their quarrel

Assigning the responsibility for this to Seun only is not fair

Nairaland has been running close to 10 years, so by deduction Seun must be doing something right

- An achievement like this requires great courage, skill or strength
- Seun has displayed tenacity and grim persistence
- To date Seun's success' are marked with fierce and dogged determination
- Seun is a business survival strategist
- Check out Nairaland's programming section/forum, there are enough people there with the know how to create rivalry/competition for Nairaland but no undertaking/venture have stood the test of time
- Over the years, Nairaland has made steady progress but others have "been stopped in their tracks or failed to thrive"

I have read enough support for MMW and about reinstating him or whatnot and absolutely zilch about the real culprit

Seun does not need to explain the "civil war" inference - I understand!

This is about security requirement(s) to maintain the survival of the nairaland state

Successfully running and monitoring nairaland is no small feat.

This is not beans, some facet of nairaland are volatile and fickle.

They can change suddenly or are likely to change unexpectedly and suddenly become violent or angry over trivialities

With them, it is like walking on eggshells without cracking them

Seun's fears or actions taken for personal or family safety sake over warnings of probable trouble, the declarations of intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury etc in retaliation for real or imagined wrongs is understandable and forgivable.

Seun in the past, has taken similar measures considered to be draconian to guard against "perceived" stability/security threat(s) and to protect nairaland's whole and undivided social structure.

Seun is no saint but needs handed a break and stopped been criticised or behaved to in an unpleasant way(s)

# PS: Still don't know why MMW did not directly pm Seun as opposed using the moderator's forum

# PS: Arnold Schwarzenegger's "I'll be back" catchphrase is to be associated with DeepSight

# PS: FOMO will get the better of DeepSight. Watch this space

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amv-gVb-6Ws

The "doubtful" 3rd beat was the koko.

Even Dbanj failed to resist and quickly warmed to it

Dang duplicate

Argh! Flipping duplication

Alfa Seltzer: who is he?

rafhell: Is he a Muslim a Christian traditionalist or an atheist?

He was the former moderator that recommended JeSoul to Seun before taking leave of the position

tpia@:
Shouldnt you be banned for this crap?

Very rude and ill mannered too.

If they are at the lower end of whatever d.umb chart your d.umb self is quoting, how is that your business?

They cant afford to buy the junk you're selling or what? Is that your grouse?

Na oil I dey carry! Na oil I dey on top. Sand sand man, no come spoil my own!

Tell me, tell me, why not, tell me, if not . . .

I no be mugu, na mugu etc etc . . .

Carry go jor tpia@!

Thank you for pissing on the thread

kevoh: Relax man, tithing is an already over-flogged issue on Nairaland and other parts of the world.

Let sleeping dogs lie man. I don't know what you are trying to prove that people don't already know. Take a chill pill,bro.

NB: I'm not pentecostal by the way.

Not many people know that Pentecostals fall on the lower end of the income spectrum

They are at the bottom of those listed in the chart.

Highlighting the irony of the christian traditions that tend to emphasize tithing to the church and push it as a means to blessing

The gullibility of the sheeple.

toba: meanwhile, if you're appointing replacement(s) pls do so intelligently.

such could be a satanist, deist, atheist, devil, christian etc but must be unbiased and principled.

Never appoint any of the new comers but oldies from 2005-2008 just like MMWac

Some of your so called new comers aren't necessarily new as they've been guests following the trends since 2005 - 2008 without registering to post

- MMW should have pm'ed Seun about his concerns and what was worrying him.
(i.e. in the past I have pm'ed Seun via his e-mail address, and he had always promptly replied back)

- Seun should have pm'ed or directly informed MMW about his suspension and the reason for it
(i.e. MMW was not sacked but only suspended by Seun as in having MMW's moderator privileges revoked or withdrawn until further notice)

- MMW, basically, if still interested in the position, then it's time to do what needs to be done
(i.e. touch base Seun in camera and as Seun hinted grovel to get the position back)

- Deepsight can't take up jackbauersballs' advice because FOMO get's the best of him
(i.e. FOMO is the fear you feel, that you will miss out on something if you don't nairaland)

- Deepsight's huff and puffs, the torrent of snide remarks and insults at Seun are baffling
(i.e. they were raw & crude, lacked good manners, refinement, grace, sophistication or delicacy and brings his profession into disrepute)

- Debosky, I could be wrong but it seems he is seething from a grudge in the past over some real or imagined grievance

- MMW, his autobiography here as a moderator to some length is that he was firm but fair, don't know much about Maclatunji to comment . . .

- MMW, there is life after living it up as a moderator. Life continues . . .

# Seun, MMW etc were reading this posting at time of writing

superior1: It is true i use God of Abraham, Isaac etc in my worship (those names are revealed in the bible) but i only pray in Jesus Name.

I have problem with folks praying in the name of the god of my pastor, the name of baba ijesha, god of chosen, god of adeboye, there is none of these names in the Bible referring to God.

If folks will strictly without waivering stay only with the bible, Christianity will have no problem with heresy.

Joagbaje: Of course some members pray and call the God of their pastor or church. I don't subscribe to it.

But I understand the perspective. It's has nothing to do with another special God. There were issues like that in the bible which they misapplied .

For example God of Jacob, God of abraham ,God of jacob, God of isaac ,God of isreal ,fear of David were terms used to address God.

Many capitalise on Paul's prayer too in Philippians 4:19 . Saying "my God" Instead of our God or God rather.

Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Such use is not making reference to another special God,or idolizing the pastor. But it's still not proper anyway. God was clear on who he is based in covenant. He is God of Abraham,Jacob and Isaac


Exodus 3:6
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.


He didnt call himself God of Joseph , why because he made covenants with those three.
So apart from God being your God, if you must add any other name . It should be those three , nothing more

@superior1 @Joagbaje

The moment you've declared with your mouth,
“Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

For it is with the heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

This is an agreement or covenant between you and God.

It entitles you to personalise God similarly with Jesus when he said

"Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?"

which is translated, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’

There is no need to attach the Abraham, Jacob, Isaac or Pastor appendages.

It is when the sheeple don't understand or recognise the full worth of the personal connection

or relationship they have with God that they ignorantly give in to this lapse

They are unaware or uninformed

Ah. Amazingly good and fabulous

ATMC: when you start using your brain i'll know.

Puerile.
Didn't see the infantile joke coming.
Truth is stranger than fiction.

@frosbel

Sideline whatever baggages Myles Munroe might have

Sidestep any bias or prejudice, youtube Myles Munroe
- He has been explaining and teaching the Kingdom concept for years
- This also was Jesus' core objective or focus i.e. The Kingdom of God aka The Kingdom of Heaven


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KbneVcap5E
- Taster

# Chuddy Esenwa is bang on right, Jesus never publicly preached Born Again.

Born Again was taught to one individual in the middle of a stolen night

ATMC: there is all d explanation you need in dt my post. So if you didn't find d 'explanation' there, then i guess you're looking for something else.

Tsk, tsk,tsk . . . smh

You've either willfully missed a trick or got cold feet explaining how "God raised pharaoh up to destroy him"

God did not raise Pharaoh up for the/a specific purpose of getting/being destroyed.

Presumably Roman 9:17 is your linch pin scripture/text for "God raised pharaoh up to destroy him"

yet Exodus 9:15-17 has the meat, full gist, background and context

Re-read Rom 9:17, to see that God raised Pharaoh up to rule, "to harbor" the Israelite, to show God's power in Pharaoh God and later to officially or publicly have God's name declared or announced in all the earth.

Rom 9:17
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh,
"For this very purpose I have raised you up,
that I might show my power in you,
and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

God knows the thoughts that He had toward Pharaoh,
- thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give Pharaoh an expected end.

Pharaoh hardened his heart and deviated on to another path that led to his destruction.

- at this point, there's nothing that could be done, God's hands literally were tied

It is important to note the difference.

God is not a megalomaniac. He did not raise Pharaoh up to destroy him.