₦airaland Forum

moyomystique:
Hi! Well I'm the person who tweeted it and I have my reasons for doing so. I told my followers I was going to prove a point and I just did. I'm not looking for a husband. Thanks for all the nice and not so nice words. God bless you all

So what point were you trying to prove

Refiner may I meet you?

dollyjoy:
Revelation 3:5


on the last day,five women will hold unto one man and................



What was the verse again?i have forgotton

Chaii... na wao, it's like you didn't attend Sunday school at all, it's in Ezekiel chapter... something verses something.. me sef no remember

emmanuelatas:
Thanks to everybody for your immediate replies. I have been able to resolve the issue. thanks alot and God bless you all in your endeavors.

Stop storing images inside the db next time, just save the image part in the db and move the image to a separate folder on the server

*yawns * money answereth all things

eniorisha:
rip to our departed king! proudly full-blooded ipetuite! Adeleye str, grammar sch road ipetu ijesa!

Thats my surname Adeleye. Our family name is Oriowo. My granma is from the Arubuola family. I hope o got it right

engrhorla:
Yea and to think Ipetu Ijesha is d 2nd largest Ijesha town

Are you from there?

Demm...so the king is gone, so many kings dying in yorubalnd these days. Thats my dad's home town. Ipetu ijesha

AreaFada2:
Several reasons. Benin also has one of the few national museums in Nigeria. So logical that most Benin arts should be in National Museum in Benin.

The major reason for being in Museums abroad is because when British Forces invaded Benin, razed the palace and burned most of the city in 1897, apart from deporting Oba Ovonramwen to Calabar, they also carted away thousands of Benin arts to Europe. From Europe, some found their way to USA.

About 2,400 pieces are in foreign museums: British Museum (700 pieces), Berlin Museum (580), Oxford Museum (327), Hamburg/Germany Museum(196) , Leiden/Holland Museum (98), Dresden/Germany Museum (182), New York Museum (163), Philadelphia/USA Museum (100), Leipzig/Germany Museum(87), Cologne/Germany Museum (73), Boston/USA Museum (28). And many but unknown number in private collections across the globe. Meanwhile Britain have only returned just a single item since 1897.

They were sold by the British to cover the cost of the war against Benin.

Meanwhile, only about 50 original pieces like the looted ones are in Nigeria as a whole. Most in Benin Museum are just replicas.

Many other museums/collections worldwide have replicas. Of course these replicas are NOT counted among the looted pieces.

Then if that's the case, can't we get our thing back ni, afteral the war is over. Let the government do everything in it's powers to bring it back and the British should be sued for war crimes

AreaFada2:
Lol. Thanks.

I began listening to elders at a very young age. Early interest. I was lucky to have a close relative who wrote & taught the history.
I also have relatives who are palace chiefs, and some dukes of the Kingdom.

Any country I visit or live in, I go to their museums and try familiarising myself with their history. Funny enough, I find Benin arts and history taking a prominent place in these foreign museums. Aside Egyptian history, no other African arts draws more people than Benin one. Not even Nubian or Ethiopian sections.

But crucially, it's also part of my ancient family history.

Now I see. Its very good to have elders that know history live around you. Have been to the national museum onikan some many years back am not sure if I remember seeing any benjn arts there how come we have it in foreign museums instead of here

AreaFada2:
I guess many Benin people would have witnessed or heard of this ceremony. Certainly, the battles between Ogiamien & Oba Ewedo, and between subsequent Obas & Uzama/ancient senior nobles for supremacy from an Oba that was simply a primus inter pares to a sovereign ruling over a centralised kingdom/later empire are stuff of history & folklore.

But it was the Uzama chiefs led by Oliha who went to get Prince Ekaladerhan from Ife in the first place and not actually his son Oranmiyan, but had to accept Oranmiyan just to ensure Ogiso bloodline continue to rule.

They were much more concerned about influence of people who came from Ife with Oranmiyan. Like the Oloton, who's the keeper of royal ancestral shrine till tomorrow. They feared those people might bring Ife system to Benin, against the established Igodo/Benin system of the Ogisos.
It was also about maintaining own personal influence.

Remember that the Uzama defied Ogiamien, ruler of Igodo that time & son of usurping ruler, Evian, who took power after Ogiso Owodo, the last Ogiso/Obagodo died without an heir. His only heir having been maliciously banished, presumed dead until discovered in Ife.

Ugie Erhoba honours all royal ancestors. But Ododuwa is not in the roll call of Benin Obas because he never was Oba of Benin. Even Oranmiyan did not stay long enough for Ododuwa to have used him to Influence Benin. In fact, Oranmiyan never even set foot in Oredo/Benin proper.

His palace was in village outskirt of Benin. He was in Egor area, though now grown to meet Benin but many kilometres away from Benin then. Evian/Ogiamien prevented him. It took Oba Ewedo, great, great grandson of Oba Eweka I, several battles to enter Benin proper and build a palace. About 100 years after Oranmiyan left Benin.

About 530 years after Oranmiyan, in 1714, Anne, the Queen of England died heirless despite having conceived 18 times and had some kids that all died, the royal descendant of English royal family, George the Elector of Hannover became King of England. British parliament had passed the Act of Settlement in 1701 that forbade Catholics becoming King/Queen of England. Till today. The mother of George, the Princess Sofia of Hannover was made crown princess. With her descendants as heirs after her. So far not Catholic. But Sofia died three months before Anne. So George became King.

George who was raised German and barely spoke English did not feel comfortable in England. So he appointed Robert Walpole, an English man to rule as Chief minister on his behalf while George mostly lived in Germany. That position became Prime minister of England.

Even in 1066, William of Normandy wage war on England successfully to claim the crown of his dead relative, King of England. Anecdotally, the position of modern prime minister began earlier in 1624 when French King Louis XIII made Cardinal Richelieu his chief minister.
So bringing a royal descendant back to be King is something quite normal. Even in Europe. For various reason.

The reason for this epistle is to illustrate that ceremonies in Benin not only have a meaning but also a detailed and logical history behind it. Sometimes also reflected in the history of other distant countries.

Bro I dey feel you gan, you know alot of history, but how did you know all these

9jacrip:
LOL, stay having our back bro - we're starting to have land issues with non-Ife and we may go to war soon. So y'all need to prepare for our call any moment from now.

There's an Epe in Ondo, any connection with the one in Lagos?

Hopefully, the Ooni won't put us and the throne in bad light soon.

Na w aoo.. na so una lazy ni? Cant you guys raise your own armies ni? This is one of the reasons I will always and forever adore the throne of the Alafin over the Ooni

AreaFada2:
Well, any Itsekiri who speaks it fluently should understand a good amount of Yoruba. It is a Yoruboid language.

Itsekiri were mostly Ijebu and some other Yoruba groups who settled there.

The Royal family & some other noble families came from Benin.

As usual, over the years, the nobles/royalty also adopted the Yoruboid ways/language.

The Royal family of Sweden is French, but the Swedes are not French.

Awo was said to have been surprised just how close to Yoruba the Itsekiri culturally were.

Thanks bro, now I get the whole gist we all need to know history of our selves because if you look at it critically there is no cause for any supremacy and us fighting ourselves over nothing

AreaFada2:
Well, Prince Ginuwa, the first Ogiame was the son of Oba Olua of Benin. No member of Ogiame royal family has ever disputed that.

The title Ogiame only has a meaning in Benin language.

Do you tell your father who his ancestor was or your father tells you?

Olu of Warri has every reason to be grateful to Yoruba, because Awolowo raised the stool from of Olu of Itsekhiri to Olu of Warri. Something the Edoid tribes of Urhobo & Isoko protested seriously. Even Izons did. Awo only pacified them by agreeing to change Warri province to Delta Province. Basically Awo sought to raise Yoruba/Yoruboid people. The seed of discord was sowed partly through that. This is still recent history.

If you look at the referendum to create Midwest region, more Itsekhiris voted to stay with Western Region than any other tribe.
Also, right now, it's more politically expedient to suck up to the larger, more influential Yorubas than Edos.
But still, Ogboju and intimidation based on numbers cannot change history.

You're right. Olu of Warri is not mentioned as Ododuwa descendant. He can only claim that through Oba Olua of Benin.

But soon we will see revisionists writing that the Olu of Warri was one hitherto undocumented son Oranmiyan sired after leaving Benin or Oyo.

Anyone can claim Ghengis Khan or Julius Caesar as ancestor.

I really loved the way you explained it all here, but one thing that gets me confused or shocked was when one of my itsekiri friend asked me to teach him how to speak Yoruba and simple Yoruba words I was trying to teach him are the things he already knew, and pronounced correctly even though the guy has never stepped foot in the west.

ifihearam:
I am a full blooded itsekiri man from the royal lineage but I beg to accept this assertion by his royal majesty because the only reason the late Olu's first son was not crowned is because his mother the queen was from the Yoruba royal house and the only condition to be crowned king is when your mother is from the Bini royal house hence the disqualification of the late Olu's first son and the immediate younger brother crowned. I know the itsekiris are direct descendants from the Yorubas but I know the binis also plays a pivotal role in the history of the great itsekiri kingdom.

Long live the Olu of warri

Ogiame suooooooo

It could be politics, or better still maybe there is or was a feud some where

pumpindkay:
There are some programming and technology books that takes 2years for one to read and understand and use in real life projects. Books like 'wrox professional asp.net'. Note the world professional which means you must have completed some other books or training before you can read and understand.

Someone that will design a good e-commerce website most be an experienced web programmer and experience as something to do with time. Except op needs a template installer.

A junior bricklayer may build a single shop, but shopping plazas are built by senior bricklayers.

If you look closely, the Op doesn't know jack about programming at all

What's the pay?

Whats the language used?

Why are you talking to your self

Rebsy:
Caro white? Dat mother must be very wicked! Can someone please caution dat woman, just in case she's ignorant? Thank you!

Pls what's this Carol white about, I don't know much about creams I just use any I see

Houseofglam7:
I'm not a church goer
Sorry dear

Oh..hmm

Houseofglam7:
Yeah, it makes me cry

Me too, have sung it in the choir a couple of times at burials, which church do you attend pls

mbhs139:
Well, I will suggest you keep this line open, I mean you should check here often, because I will be posting the project requirement on this forum, once it is completed. I'm presently rounding up on the project charter, and once it is adopted, we will move into the requirement analysis phase.
Goodluck to you all, and even to the pessimist.

Lol @pessimist

IYANGBALI:
i dont know for the guy o,he too dey ban me for nairaland. Before before now monthly?but now na daily i dey chop ban like shawarma

Lmao

paschu:
Anf you are speaking as who? The cheif youruba spokesman abi?

Flokii speaks the common truth, he doesn't have to be the Westerners spoke man

IYANGBALI:
i dey o,na lalasticlala hide me for their yeye nairaland guest house(prison)

Lol...wetin you do am,was he trying to toast you ni and you no gree

IYANGBALI:
abeg ignore dat fool,him Yoruba babes don give am red card after eating his retirement benefit

Ahhahaa... iyangbali long time o

free2blast:
Leave the IPAD alone, his little brain cant recognise that what he just typed is tribalism.

Lmao.. I tire o, as if it's all the ibos in Nigeria that are making use of the car

Keystonn:
Still waiting for the first Yoruba man that will patronize innosonmotors

But tribalism wouldn't let them

Must you always attack the yorubas ,are they the only tribe in the country that must use your inno? Why the hatred

billyG:
So igbo 2 dey do white garment thing like their SW brothers.

I didn't know o until I saw this pics l

Is this open to ASP programmers alone?

Houseofglam7:
.....Fading away like the stars of the morning..

Do you know that song?