DictatorZAR1:

No just an advocate for a little bit of transparency.

Nah let it go. We all know how such comments always lead to endless fights.

DictatorZAR1:


Ooooops.....!!!! JF-17 block 1 spotted.

Shame what happened to the lies of the JF block 3 that's still under development and will not see the light before 2019.

Another inferior system that will be punted as SSA's best fighter jet.

Sorry for the inconvenient truth Oooops...wrong thread

You're asking for trouble bro!!!!

MikeCZA:
You enjoy putting these rubb..ish here.
What are "contemporary African threats"?
Africa is not a country.

Let it go, Just ignore him, all he has are words. That's all he'll ever have.
Let's not repeat what happened earlier this week.

Algerian1:
paratroopers public show 5 july , Algeria

Holy Cr*p the Guy in the Second Pic is holding fire in his hand that looks awesome.

jl115:

Not long....when I started following about a week and a half ago it only had about 40 followers .....today I saw over a 150 followers, so I'm guessing the page can't be over 2 months old

Please share a link to the page

Henry240:


No, it does not.

Don't you have some bush meat to be eating in the Sambisa forest with your soldiers?

Besides that was MY opinion, it answered questioned that I had!

It wasn't a collective opinion Hendry240, unless you've come to the point where you're so dumb I need to think for you because you can't do that yourself, and that every statement I make is also a representation of your views.

Algerian1:
SAAF PILOTS TRAINING

Pupil pilots will be stationed at the Central Flying School at Air Force Base Langebaanweg for the Basic Flying Phase (ab initio phase).

The following subjects will be presented:

Ground phase:
-Aerodynamics
-Navigation
-Electronic warefare

Flying Phase:
Pupil pilots will be required to master the Astra, including:
-Simulation exercises
-General flying
-Formations
-Instrument flying
-Navigational flying
-Night flying


Ground School and Flying Phase
It is during this stage that the pupil pilot is introduced to the Pilatus PC-7 Mk II Astra, 60 of which were delivered between October 1994 and the end of 1996. Ground training includes every aspect of flight instruction and makes extensive use of computer based training. A Cockpit Procedural Trainer (CPT) is also used in conjunction with the Astra. Although some 'pupes' may already have a private pilot's license, all are treated as if they have had no previous experience.

The course has been based upon that conducted by the RAF with the Shorts Tucano, adjusted to suite South African conditions. Pupil pilots will be required to master the , Pilatus PC7 MkII Astra trainer. The student pilot will undertake their first solo flight after about 16 hours and during the course of the year will have flown 185 hours in the Astra and spent 40 hours in the CPT.

The course is designed to lead the student through all aspects of flight operations, with ten sections to be mastered. These include formation, high, low level and night flying. The student/instructor ratio is 2:1 during the flying phase. In spite of the demanding syllabus, approximately 75% of the students selected graduate.

Pupil pilots qualify after a period of approximately 2 years and 7 months training and more or less 210 flying hours. Both pilot and navigator courses are completed at the same time when the pupils receive their wings with due pomp and ceremony.

On completion of the flying phase, a selection board will be convened to determine in which line function a pilot will be utilised, namely: Fighter line, Helicopter line (including maritime) or Transport line (including maritime).

Criteria used for the allocation of pilots to various line functions:
Need of the Air Force
Results and achievements on course
Own preference
Recommendation by flying instructor
Pilots will be transferred to one of the following Air Force institutions for further training in their line function, before being utilised at the various squadrons of the SA Air Force:
Fighter line - 85 Combat Flying School
Transport line - 41 Sqn
Helicopter line - Private contractor and 87 Helicopter Flying School.

Advanced Flying Training
After graduation, pilots selected for fighter training are assigned to 85 Combat Flying School, AFB Hoedspruit, for the basic jet conversion course.

Pilots destined to fly helicopters or transports receive instruction with 87 Helicopter Flying School at AFB Bloemspruit (with basic helicopter training performed at Starlight Aviation in Durban) and 41 Squadron at AFB Waterkloof respectively.

The Fighter Orientation Course (FOC) lasts seven months during which the two-seat Hawk is used. Phase One and Two involves conversion to the Hawk, general, instrument, close formation, night flying and medium and low level navigation (three months and 38 hours).

Phase Three is the introduction to basic fighter flying and includes a tactical phase (battle formation, low and medium level tactical flying, pre-planned strike and photo reconnaissance), a weapons phase (bombs, 30mm cannon) and an air warfare phase (fighter manoeuvres and air-to-air firing) (three months and 35 hours).

On completion of this FOC, students will be re-assessed and then either be recommended for instructors course or to gain further experience and return for flight leaders course after 3 years as an instructor or to continue on the consolidation phase prior to the flight leaders course. After a period of 9 months, the selected candidates should be ready to start the next level of training.

Operational Training Course
The phase consists of a further 117 hours over a period of six months.

Consolidation Phase
The phase consists of a further 200 hours over a period of twelve months.

Flight Leaders Course
During the three month (40 hour) flight leader's course, very little theory training is done and it is expected of the student to give lectures and briefings, on which leadership, squadron operation and management is assessed.

During the Tactical Phase, all aspects of tactical flying and weapons delivery are covered, concentrating on leadership aspects. All aspects of single and multiple air combat and leadership aspects are specifically emphasised and assessed during the Air Warfare Phase.

After this course, pilots are once again assessed for maturity and suitability and after another consolidation phase will be routed to a high speed fighter unit for further training or instructors course at the flying school.

Strike Leaders Course
This course consists of 20 hours over one month.

Instructor Qualified Pilots
These candidates follow the same route as above to the Flight Leaders consolidation phase. On completion of this phase, these candidates will do a basic fighter instructor course. This course runs in conjunction with an FOC on which these candidates will give instruction and lectures. The Instructos conversion course lasts 3 months and covers 38 hours.

After completion of this phase, the pilot will serve an instructional tour at 85 CFS of between 2 and 5 years.

Pilot Attack Instructors Course
This course consists of 25 hours over one month.


source : http://www.saairforce.co.za/recruitment/pilot-or-navigator/pilots

Wow that explains a lot of unanswered Questions.

Thanks Man.

Lmao it's very funny how all the South Africans went back to posting immediately after the SU-30 story was said to be an error.

It's like everyone was holding their breath hoping that's it's not true.

It would've been great though if the story were true, I've always been hoping that Nigeria would go for Something like the Su-30 or J-10

GreenandGold:
Can everybody take a break before this goes out-of-hand.

Lol sorry bro, I couldn't resist.. I Had to Troll a bit. I missed causing trouble on this Thread. I have an exam tomorrow, I needed a pick me up.

tdayof:


600M USD for a prop plane deal. Source :An online platform. No confirmation from either US OR Nigeria on the price and package.


Back to the JF17 thunder. You seem to be good at debate. I'm offering you a chance to argue reasonably with facts. Tell me how the JF17 is a junk and I'll be ready to counter you with facts.

I haven't seen the aircraft before but I have seen videos of it in test flight from someone who worked on the aircraft. An Engineer with AVIC. In his words the JF17 is an excellent aircraft.

I have had some discussion with him on the aircraft. He was plain as he discussed both good and bad. He couldn't say much tho I guess due to personal reasons.


Now I want you Mr ITK, google is my best friend to tell me how the aircraft is a junk.

I'm being like Hendry120 I don't care about facts and sources, I'll just Troll and say the same thing over and over again.

*Your jet is junk fighter* because I say so

tdayof:
What is a J-17? All these internet readers.

LOL!! Bro we both know that I'm talking about the *JF-17*

I didn't notice that I was leaving out the F.

frumentius:


My man! Haven't seen you in a minute!

I've been really busy juggling School and a blood sucking Apprenticeship.. I follow the Thread as a guest Sometimes, to avoid being caught in its deadly grip.

But after reading about the potential $600million Prop plane deal, I had to logon and Troll on those Junk Fighter supporters.

GreenandGold:
I honestly wonder why Nigeria and Kenya had to suckup to the US just to buy the Air Tractor and Tucano. Couldn't you have gone East for something better like attack helis or combat trainer jets.

Why beg so much to pay so much. It's rather humiliating.

That's because Nigerian Officials don't want the Junk Fighter :"

This is the greatest Punchline in this Threads history.. The Jet that people defended so passionately is being pushed aside buy a Prop Plane :''''''D

LMFAO Is the Nigerian Air Force considering to spend 600mil on Prop Planes over buying a larger Number of J-17s is an indirect way of telling the world that the J-17 really is a junk fighter *which is something we've all known*.

They would rather go for prop planes over that Jet :''''''D bwhahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!

I'm Dead!!!!!!

Wow 12 Prop Planes for 50 Million each, while you guys are only buying 3 J-17/Block 2 Jets that cost less that 30 Million each damn!!! What the Bleep?

The worst part is that Hendry120 is out here calling South Africa foolish for paying 70million for a MULTI ROLE JET.

It would make more sense if you bought 12 j-17 Block 2 jets and only 3 Tucano Planes.

ActivateKruger:


Developing an engine for it locally would have been great BUT considering that Denel doesn't have the budget of the Boeings of these world then they're forced to source something that's already available on the international markets.

When will our Government realise that the initial Development cost will be expensive but the benefits would be greater. Production wouldn't of the Aircraft would be limitless and not suffer the same fate as the Rooivalk. The Production factories would hire local Engineers and workers which would boost the economy.

ActivateKruger:
*Excited*
Full scale mockup of the Denel SARA... Exciting aviation times in Africa

Locally made engines? Please tell me it uses locally made engines.

Man you guys a petty little Bi+ches!
Please just let it go.

nemesis2u:


you are a piece of crap , every time you post it feels like u r the biggest ignoramus in this world , if half the Chinese people r like u , that we have nothing to worry.

insurgents ? u fuuking piece of shiit
these r the Indian para military forces THE ASSAM RIFLES one of the worlds oldest para military forces,
and these will be the same guys who will be fuuking ur Chinese ass if ever the time comes to do it.

india spreading insurgent ?
u fuuk the only time it was in sri lanka due to the miscalculations of the intels, when they realized they made a mistake they sent IPKF to kill the same insurgents. thousands of Indian soldiers died to finish off the LTTE who later killed the indian prime minister rajiv gandhi for going against them .

as for the Chinese supporting terrorism/insurgents on a world wide scale is not a new case

Pakistan based terror organizations JEM (AZHAR MAHMMOD), LET , HM etc who r designated as terrorists / terrorist organizations by UN are been protected by the Chinese government by using their veto power in security council.


terrorists from northeast India are provided safe haven in Yunnan province of china by the Chinese government .


Chinese government provide support and equipment especially money in excess of 100 millions to the dreaded TALIBAN organization in exchange of downed American tomahawk cruise missiles.


Chinese government directly/indirectly fueled conflicts/insurgents in many poor under developed nations in ASIA/AFRICA by supplying small arms especially used/discarded weapons / ammo in a massive scale. millions of people died .


Chinese government supports and funds insurgents in Myanmar in-spite of having good relations with Myanmar to keep the country in its control.
Chinese intelligence is involved in supporting the largest drug cartel the united WA state army UWSA the largest and deadliest narcotics terror group in Asia. Chinese government has supplied SAMs and even tanks to these insurgents/narco-terrorists in Myanmar including kachin independence organization KIO.


Chinese government supported and funded insurgents / terrorists in Philippines . when Chinese premier chao tzu yang was visiting manila in 1972 the Philippines security forces discovered thousands of arms supplied to communist insurgents by the the Chinese government.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Thailand which led to much blood shed from 1965 to 1983.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Malaysia.


Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist insurgent in Laos


in Cambodia Chinese government supported/funded/trained communist Khmer rouge insurgents which led to a genocide millions of people killed .
special mention must be made of how the Chinese built a huge air base in Kampong Chhang province in central Cambodia with Khmer slave labour, of whom an estimated 50,000 died.


Chinese communist party committed large scale terrorism in its own country , in the period between 1927 and 1949 more than 3.5 million Chinese died .

Chinese communist party under Mao committed terrorism in industrial scale after 1949, The first large-scale killings under Mao took place during land reform and the counterrevolutionary campaign. In official study materials published in 1948, Mao envisaged that "one-tenth of the peasants" (or about 50,000,000) "would have to be destroyed" to facilitate agrarian reform.Actual numbers killed in land reform are believed to have been lower, but at least one million.


additionally Chinese government brutally targeted mainly former Kuomintang officials and intellectuals suspected of disloyalty. At least 712,000 people were executed, 1,290,000 were imprisoned in labor camps and 1,200,000 were "subject to control at various times."


Chinese government in the 1958-61 period implemented the The Great Leap Forward which bettered its genocide record . the Great Leap Forward was a cause of the Great Chinese Famine and that the worst effects of the famine were steered towards the regime's enemies. the death toll was at least 45 million, and that In most cases the Chinese government knew very well that it was starving its own people to death.
"coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history"


Chinese government invades Tibet which was never a part of china and commits large scale genocide.most brutal forms of torture and inhuman treatment given out to Tibetans. the Chinese government wrongly imprisoned political prisoners and prisoners of conscience, ill-treatment of detainees, including torture, the use of the death penalty, extrajudicial executions, forced abortions, sterilisation and infanticide etc.
more than 1.2 million Tibetans were killed under Chinese rule and still continuing.



Falun Gong is a qigong discipline combining slow-moving exercises and meditation with a moral philosophy centered on the tenets of truthfulness, compassion and tolerance. It was founded by Li Hongzhi, who introduced it to the public in May 1992 in Changchun, Jilin. Following a period of rapid growth in the 1990s, the Communist Party launched a campaign to "eradicate" Falun Gong on 20 July 1999.The persecution of Falun Gong refers to the campaign initiated in 1999 by the Chinese Communist Party to eliminate the spiritual practice of Falun Gong in China.

An extra-constitutional body called the 6-10 Office was created to lead the persecution of Falun Gong.The campaign was driven by large-scale propaganda through television, newspaper, radio and internet. large scale use of systematic torture, illegal imprisonment, forced labor, organ harvesting and abusive psychiatric measures, with the apparent aim of forcing practitioners to recant their belief in Falun Gong.



WELCOME to the modern worlds government sponsored SLAVE LABOR SYSTEM : Laogai the abbreviation for Láodòng Gǎizào which means "reform through labor", is a slogan of the Chinese criminal justice system and has been used to refer to the use of penal labour and prison farms in the People's Republic of China (PRC), which once took up more than half of the world's slaves.Laogai is different from laojiao, or re-education through labor, which was an administrative detention for a person who was not a criminal but had committed minor offenses, and was intended to reform offenders into law-abiding citizens. Persons detained under laojiao were detained in facilities that were separate from the general prison system of laogai. Both systems, however, involved penal labor.

more than eight million people suffer inside these camps. They are forced to labor. If they do not, they will starve. If they do not produce their quota, they will be fed less food, and often are beaten. If the quality of their work is not up to what the guards demand, they will be punished. Made In China — But Was It Made In A Prison? .Publication of information about China's prison system by Al Jazeera English resulted in its expulsion from China on May 7, 2012.



large scale organ harvesting from political prisoners has no parrallels in the world .organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners and other political prisoners in China r practiced in industrial scale. According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients. The organ harvesting is said to be taking place both as a result of the Chinese Communist Party's persecution of Falun Gong and because of the financial incentives available to the institutions and individuals involved in the trade.


etc

etc

i left out Chinese involvement in Africa / south America / middle east / narco trade / nuclear black marketing / fake goods including medicines etc etc if u want i will supply them.

in short ur Chinese government is responsible close to 80-100 million people dead including ur own citizens directly or indirectly and continuing.

chinese government broke the NAZI records on every inhuman parameter .

its high time u learnt that if u point a finger at others 3 of ur own fingers point back at u.
so next time keep ur shiit comments to ur self

Damn this is the worst internet beating I've ever seen.. Talk about a serious beat down!

This thread should've been left to die to in peace.

MikeCZA:
You can wear any pattern besides the soldier 2000. Like many associations and rangers do.


No civilians wear uniform.

Don't involve politics.

Uhm yes they do!

When I was in Matric I saw a guy at West Gate Mall walking past 3 police officers while he was wearing a Soldier 2000 Jacket.. Officers didn't do anything, they just looked at him.

andrewza:


witch civilians? It is a criminal offence in SA for a civilian to wear SANDF uniform.

He is right Bro.

The enforcement of those laws are very weak, because today I saw a woman wearing a Soldier 2000 Cap... On Campus I've seen a guy wearing his uncles Military pants, jacket and sun hat... Every couple of months I see a civilian wearing SANDF uniform.

14:


South Arica regained its 2nd spot in July after Egypt devalued their currency. Even Egypt is doing the very same ting that Nigeria is doing, capping their Egyptian pound, its 8.88 to the dollar in the official market while in the black market is 12.25 pound. Currently they are going around shutting all the black market traders in a bid to have a pegged pound to be effective. You cannot manufacture the rate of your currency, once you do that, no potential investor will ever set foot in your country. Now Egypt wants help from IMF, and IMF has given them conditions to give them that Loan, one of it is to devalue their currency once again to reflect reality on the ground.

What I am trying to show you is that in reality, Egyptian and Nigerian economies are very small compare to the South African one. Example, lets take Nigeria total GDP of N94trillion and divide it by the black market rate which is currently at N405 to the dollar, N94000/405= $232BN, and take Egyptian pound 2400/12.25 = $196BN and the South African one R4000/13.28 = $301BN. You see South Africa is the largest economy in Africa by far in reality. But if you consider the partially floated Nigerian naira at 94000/320 = $294BN, smaller than that of SA and the Egyptian one will be 2400/8.88 = $270BN.

Therefor:

1. South Africa = $301BN

2. Nigeria = $294BN on official rate and $232BN for black market rate

3. Egypt = $270BN on official rate and $196BN for black market calculated rate

Hopefully it makes sense, but its a simple maths

Hmmm thank you for that explanation I never really understood all the deals behind it.

It's interesting how a few months ago Egypt had knocked S.A down to the number three spot and now we're back up again.

Swords are still in use in the Military they are just not the kinda swords we're use to. Some Special Forces Guys do carry short Swords that are usually less than 100cm long. They come in really handy during situation where you want to engage multiple targets at close range without making noise.

Plus they "Never jam, and they never run out of bullets"

Interesting Article about the so called "Benefits" of South Africa Teaming up with Pakistan to supply the J-17 with Modern Weapons and other systems.

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quwa.org/2016/02/01/could-the-jf-17-thunder-help-south-africa/

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quwa.org/2016/02/03/could-the-jf-17-thunder-help-south-africa-part-2/


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Sure the benefits are great, but.. I'm still very sceptical about it.

Henry240:


Again you clearly misinterpreted my original post on this matter.


The Turks are not poorly trained, they have a rich modern military history, I believe you've heard of the battle of "Gilapoli".


let me try to rephrase Turkey has 240 F-16 Block 52+ fighter jets in service. They have the PGMs, I'm asking you why does Southern-Turkey despite all the PGMs look like Aleppo. You claimed PGMs are the "all and be all"?


Are you serious

The P in PGM means Precision, you use PGM in urban areas so you can reduce civilian casualties and increase the probability of hitting the enemy, you don't use PGMs in wide open spaces when you can simply obliterate the enemy to submission with an array of cost effective rockets and unguided bombs.

Dude look main point from the start is that if a target is worth getting Hit with a $25,000 Bomb then it should be done, even if it's a man travelling in a $3,000 car.

The Video @africaken254 posted was a single car getting blown up with a PGM, I see nothing wrong with him using that Kenya could do that too..
It may look inefficient but fact is who ever was in that car was planning on doing damage worth more than $25,000.

If you're facing a war at home you can't afford to be cheap, you make sure your citizens have what they need to survive, then the rest of the money goes to the war effort.

Henry240:


Anyway, for reference purposes, this is Turkey, a country which has over 240 F-16 Block 52+, 54 upgraded F-4 phantoms, can you please explain despite been able to deliver PGMs, Southern Turkey looks like Aleepo in Syria.

If you have very poor training and doctrine the weapons you have become useless. But I would expect Nigeria to do better than the Turks.

Plus posting random urban pictures out of context doesn't mean anything, because we've all seen that least 80% of the engagements with Boko-haram happened in open and rural areas where it would've been much easier to deliver precision munitions.

Henry240:


Rubbish!!


There are cost effective ways to doing things, and this is what I'm saying. $25,000/bomb x 1000 targets = $25 million, which African Air Force can afford that amount on bombs alone per month?

Flight cost and maintenance cost not included.

Practicality.

" $25,000/bomb x 1000 targets"?? What are you talking about?

Stop making it look like we're saying that every target needs to be hit with an expensive Bomb, we're not stupid.. What we're saying is that if a target is worth getting hit with a $25,000 bomb then it must me done. It has been discussed many times before, that if Countries like Nigeria had invested in quality weapons long before Boko-haram became a threat, this war wouldn't have lasted so long, Nigeria suffered unnecessary losses and set back because you didn't have the proper equipment to support your troops.
We use to see videos of large Boko-Haram convoys moving in the open which could've been torn apart by two J-17's armed with targeting pods and Precision Munitions.

After the Chibok kidnappings the Airforce could've dispatched air craft with night vision capabilities to track the girls and made it easier to find them.

Off Topic:
Guys where is @Agaugust??
Lol @patches did you finally decide to get rid of the Guy?

Henry240:


Only thing is, i don't see the economic value of blowing up a $3,000 car with a 25,000 bomb.

That kind of thinking is what's killing us as Africans, believe me killing a Terrorist with a $25,000 or $100,000 Bomb is a very small price to pay.. Terrorists are capable of causing millions of Dollars in damage..whether it's blowing up a $3,000 car or $100 Tent, the fact is you are stopping someone who might kill your people... It's worth it.

Remember "What is save in cash will be paid for in blood"

upko1:
Your insensitivity is ruining this thread.

Whatever bruh.