lionel4power:
i get your point bro but you seems to think that all iowa is armoured, the superstructure is relatively lighter and thats where the kirov's p700 will strike. Damaging all the fancy equipments on the mast and bridge. Though i agree the iowa and kirov are different class of ships. Iowa (battleship) while kirov (battlecruiser)

Nah bruh I think you've got it all mixed up Iowa Class battle Ship is Armoured way better then the Kirov's and if it comes down to a head to head battle the Kirov would lose because of its weak Armour and it would be no match for a direct hit from an Iowa's cannon.

The kirovs are only Armed with Missiles and the Iowa is armed with both Cannons and long range missiles. Iowa ships have superior Armour.

The kirov's are designed to conduct long range strikes using Missile but with the heavy Armour a battle ship has I'm sure they'd be able to take multiple hits from the Kirovs then. They retaliate with extremely heavy Gunfire.

Henry120:


Why is that, is it because South-Africa is always at the receiving end of my comments?

I agree with you, the JF-17 is a pretty impressive fighter for it's conservative price, it meets and exceeds all expectations of the Nigerian Airforce. If the JF-17 were western it would cost as much as the Gripen.


All though the SU-30 is class, I do not believe Nigeria needs the SU-30. It is a heavy high maintenance fighter, that very well meets our requirement but I don't believe we can afford it now. Probably in the future, but not now.


The block 3 looks fantastic. Here is another conceptual JF-17, let's call it the Super- JF-17. This upgrade could be a true rival to the Gripen NG.


The JF-17 provides the "bang-for-the-buck"!

I wouldn't worry too much about comparing the JF-17 with the Gripen NG because the Countries that are most likely to buy the JF-17 don't have enemies that use the Gripen. I'm more concerned about how the Jf-17 would perform against something a Su-30mk, Rafale, Mirage 2000, Mig29, F-22, F-35 etc...

With a GDP as large as yours I don't think money is the problem is Nigeria. It's how it's managed and distributed (like most African Countries).

The problem I have is that Buying the Jf-17 will be a temporal solution that will end up being a permanent solution once the war is over. I think its just better to go all out right now and just buy what Nigeria needs and wants, Which is the Su-30 for the Migs.

frumentius:
Talk about balls of steel. Someone give Lt Phiri a Bell's!
http://www.africandefence.net/sandf-unamid-troops-in-rebel-standoff/

Three days ago the SANDF’s UNAMID contingent in Darfur were involved in a high-risk exchange with a number of unknown rebels in Mellit. The details below were provided by the SANDF and make for some gripping reading. Considering previous instances where rebels have opened fire on SANDF patrols, the commander’s refusal to surrender his group’s weapons showed a remarkable level of discipline.

On 18 August 2015 a team of 37 South African National Defence Force (SANDF) members were escorting an United Nations team on a long range patrol to north of the South African Company Operating Base (COB), Mellit in the Darfur Region of Sudan. The patrol was made up of four Mamba Armed Personnel Carriers (APCs), one Recovery Vehicle and two Land Cruisers. The patrol was to a small village, called Selibilo, 51km north of the base. The team was led by Lieutenant (Lt) Phiri, a Platoon Commander from 8 South African Infantry Battalion.

On the way back to the COB the team was ambushed by an unknown Armed Group (AG) and a stand-off ensued between the Peacekeepers and the armed militia. The protection element of the patrol had passed the ambush point when the second group was stopped by three heavily armed soldiers of the militia. SANDF members observed that the some of the AG were armed with an anti-tank weapon (mounted on land cruiser) and 12,7mm machine guns. To the west of the point where the convoy was intercepted, other members of the AG were deployed on a small hillside.

They ordered the section commander to leave the vehicle while pointing weapons at him. At this point, two members of the AG climbed atop one of the APCs – one pointing a weapon at the SANDF light machine gun (LMG) gunner whilst a second armed man removed him from the APC. They reiterated their demand to see the platoon commander and when he arrived they ordered him to surrender and turn over all of his troops’ weapons, or else they indicated that they would kill everyone in the convoy. The platoon commander, Lt Phiri refused.
[the armed group] ordered him to surrender and turn over all of his troops’ weapons, or else they indicated that they would kill everyone in the convoy. The platoon commander, Lt Phiri refused.

After two hours of negotiations to return the 7.62mm LMG, the AG told Lt Phiri that his members were currently surrounded by eight vehicles from a southerly direction and six others from the north. Lt Phiri continued to refuse to hand over any of his group’s equipment, which would have included two UN peacekeeping vehicles. A stalemate was reached and the AG informed Lt Phiri that he left them no choice, at which point they assumed firing positions. Lt Phiri deployed his troops on the ground in a battle formation and informed his troops that they would move out of the area with all vehicles, walking alongside them irrespective of the obstruction of the AG.
Lt Phiri and his troops began moving forward, with his troops and the AG directing weapons at each other continuously. As the patrol started moving out of the confrontation on foot, one of the AG members punctured the rear tyre of one of the UN Land Cruisers with a sharp object. An SANDF member observed this and pushed the individual away from the vehicle, whilst being threatened by automatic weapons from the remaining AG members. Lt Phiri instructed the recovery vehicle to come forward and tow the UN vehicle forward along with the rest of the vehicles. As the SANDF APCs moved forward with the peacekeepers alongside, the belligerents ultimately declined to open fire. The peacekeepers managed to move safely out of the danger area and proceed back to the base after returning to their vehicles one kilometer on from the point of interception.

The SANDF has confirmed that the troops who stood their ground during the ambush will be cited for bravery.

Lt Phiri has some Brass Balls. You don't mess with a man like that.

The only way for such things to exist means that there has to be a demand for them.

The increase in prostitution means that Catholics themselves are using prostitutes, and there is a high demand for them within Rome.

This is not surprising because we all know how Catholics and their leaders are well known for taking part in extremely immoral behaviour.

frumentius:


I would if I wasn't stuck behind monitors and screens!
Waiting to hear if I can get transferred to a tactical mobile command for the weekend assault.

I don't wana sound dumb, but what's the purpose of all those laptops? What are you guys using them for?

Henry120:


I at-least have seen them used in battle, hence i have drawn my conclusion.



LOL! However it doesn't mean i'm ignorant on the matter.

Which battle was that?

Hahahahahaaa being well informed about special forces doesn't mean you know exactly how they work and what the need.

If am a president of country and a very experienced General who has about 15+ years of being a special forces operative tell me that in his experience he believes that his forces would perform better with tricycles or Golf Carts why would I argue with that?

*Random stuff*
This dude took the first pic thn turned it to what looks like a futuristic Sandf Soldier with an Exo Skeleton and some awesome looking gear.

Henry120:

Wrong.
Tell us the benefits of having the Supacat Jackal?

"Wrong"
You're not an operative and you don't have any military experience bruh!
Lmao

Henry120:


Wrong.

Tell us the benefits of having the Supacat Jackal?

Dude I can't tell you the full benefits of the thing because both of our opinions or soley based on nothing more than just a spectators opinion. Neither you or I are operatives or have used the things in combat or training.

Henry120:


A single Dshk Round into that vehicle......... And it's "bye bye black bird"!

Those vehicles(Special forces Vehicles) do not provide any real advantage to the Soldier, especially the average soldier from a developing country. I do not have an idea how much the South-African vehicle costs, but the Panhard SPV, Supacat Jackal SPV, Dutch AATV costs up-wards of €800,000 a unit.

€800,000 for a vehicle that seats only 3-4 men, has virtually no protection, and is armed with only a 50 Cal. Man gun and a secondary GPMG is a waste of money. The sort of comms equipment they carry isn't enough reason to cost that high, neither is there AAT capability.

The only reason i like these vehicles (SPVs) is because of aesthetics, they make the SOF/SF look cool, asides this no actual practical use for them.

First world armies usually have dedicated attack and utility helicopters attached to their SF units, hence firepower isn't much of an issue.

I think the reason you don't understand the need for such vehicles and equipment is because like many of us you're not an S.F operative and you've never been in any of the situations those people find themselves in during their operations.

frumentius:


Stop press!!! Due to their extensive Special Forces experience, Henry and a few others have come up with a new doctrine that nullifies the need for a Rapid Deployment Reconnaissance Vehicle for Special Forces! Everyone has been wasting time! SF forces all over the world should ditch RDR Vehicles and ONLY use MRAPS for ALL their missions!
For they are now conventional infantry! Stirling and everyone else were wrong!

Pic 1: the early SAS - wrong!;

Pic 2: Delta, stop trialling your new RDRV - wrong!;

Pic 3: you Spetsgruppa "A" - wrong!;

Pic 4: Grom, you just want to look cool -wrong!.

LOL!!!

jteku:
united states will now sell Apache to Nigeria

www.persecondnews.com/index.php/psn-news/item/4087-washington-u-s-to-sell-apache-attack-helicopters-to-nigeria

Really Great news, Its good to see that Nigeria is going for good qualify helicopters instead of those sh*tty Russian choppers.

This just shows that the U.S was just waiting for Mr Goodluck to leave.

If you are rich and in need of international property. Buying a holiday home in Greece right now would be perfect, property prices that side will definitely drop even lower than they are right now. When they finally recover you'll have large pieces of expensive land in Greece.

Henry240:
DSS Agents ( Nigeria's secret Police) taking Terrorism suspects to and from courts.

Man!, when I saw these pictures last year I assumed those were high Ranking Government officials being escorted around by the Secret Services.

jln115:

Actually i think @africaken quite correctly pointed out that its a Beretta ARX 160!!

Yeah it's a sick gun, I hope there are actual units using it.

africaken:
FN F2000 ,can you observe the trigger discipline of those DSS agents

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5L1d_oD0VU

Nice!!!!... Well no surprise there, he did get special forces training.

jln115:

What Rifle is that mate?

I don't know ey, I've been asking around, and most people keep confusing it with the M4

frumentius:




In this case not in service only means not available to every infanteer. Infantrymen showing promise can play with the CR-21, and upon earning the badge "Marksman" in a section can play with everything from pistol to anti-personnel rifle.

So yes, some units within the SANDF use whatever weapons they deem fit.

This finally answers my question about why the guy in this pic has this Rifle.

jln115:

My white arm in front of a computer screen opened on NL and an AFRIKAANS group statements book...is that enough proof for your tiny Igbo brain that I'm not a Zulu?

Lmfao!!!

africaken:
i have seen alshabaab attacks supported with landcruiser technicals mounted with ZU-23-2,ZPU-4 anti-aircraft gun,dSHk and even a truck mounted with dual 30mm anti-aircraft .now imagined being told to face such an attack composed of even suicide bombers and an enemy that out number you.

Very true some thing like that is very hard to defend against, that's why I believe that heavily armoured Personnel Carriers and IFVs are needed against insurgents.

Use the turret to take out the Technicals and those AA Guns or they can be used to provide sufficient cover for ground soldiers while they take out enemy troops.

africaken:
why dont South africa offer air support to somalia ?

You raise a very interesting question.

craziebone:
buhari is travelling out again. What do you guys think of his so many trips? Sorry for derailing a bit.

And pls, do you guys know how to make meme? This Buhari government go suffer for my hand as Jonathan suffer for their hand. @sagamite , i am asking you too.

He has to build new relationships, mend old ones. Attract investors, negotiate deals ect...

frumentius:
Boa Sorte to the guys flying off next week to CIGS on their jungle warfare training. 12 weeks of pain for the bastards, 3 weeks of leave for me!

Which Battle-Jacket is the guy wearing, on the second pic?

Nutuk:


I already said I don't know for sure, there is no need for rude language.

I cannot tell from which countries they are as currently there are many military cadets from many African countries in Turkey: Gambiya, Senegal, Burkina Faso, Mali, Nigeria, Algeria, Gana, Ethiyopia, Chad, Zimbabwe, Morroco and Somali are the main countries having cadets in Turkey. The guys from the pictures IMO are not the same persons, although there are indeed also many Somalians in Turkey getting scolarships and admitted to military academies.

For the last 7-8 years Turkey placed a special attention to Africa, opening many embassies making diplomatic relations and the Turkish airlines has probably become the major airline that is flying to most of the African countries now.

I apologise for being Rude, but I'm sure the link posted will now clear things out because those people are identified as Somali Cadets, many of those pages are about the Somali Military so I doubt that they are wrong about those being Somali Airforce cadets.

agaugust:


Not the same cadets exactly, where is the tall huge guy that does not look Somali, the big man with the West African stature?

Do you have all their names and I.D.s ?

E-fool

Those are the same Uniforms you fvcking block-head, you are a complete slowpoke.

Henry120:


Patches689, please educate your fellow soweto dullard, he is down too deep, i don't think i can help him. LOL!

Please define Vertical Takeoff for us.

jln115:

Turning into Chicago? We are spending more on infrastructure than any other country in Africa, we are ranked 32 in the world regarding infrastructure, which is higher than any of the other BRICS nations BTW.

And calling me a Zulu the whole time isn't going to change the fact that I'm a white Afrikaner!!

Lol I've realised that many of the people who are accused of being Zulu aren't even Zulu, these slowpoke tend to forget that we have level official languages in S.A and we have more than 15 different Cultures here.

Nutuk:
[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/data/P1120961.JPG[/img]

And to answer on the discussion whether these are Nigerian students I cannot really confirm but I know that Nigerian military students are trained in Turkey and the uniforms they are wearing are Turkish cadet uniforms. So it is impossibile to tell from uniform whether they are Nigerian of Somali, but they do not look like Ethiopians and Somalians to me (again I am not sure)

www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1505103&page=28

Those are definitely Somali Cadets. There's a source to prove it, it has multiple pictures of Somalis wearing that Uniform.

So you and @agaugust can just sit the f*ck down.

Nutuk:
[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/data/P1120961.JPG[/img]

And to answer on the discussion whether these are Nigerian students I cannot really confirm but I know that Nigerian military students are trained in Turkey and the uniforms they are wearing are Turkish cadet uniforms. So it is impossibile to tell from uniform whether they are Nigerian of Somali, but they do not look like Ethiopians and Somalians to me (again I am not sure)

No offence man but those are definitely Somali it was proven a long time ago. They aren't Nigerian. I'll post a link in a few minute.

lionel4power:
south africa should have nothing less than 25-60 units of attack helicopters to be taken seriously. Like come on you guys built this thing, whats so hard in ramping up the numbers.

Dude what part of the Defence Review Calls for more numbers don't you understand.

Judging by how paranoid our politicians are, I'm sure they'll support reopening the assembly line instead of going to another country.

Don't worry the numbers will increase in due time, things take time.

Nothing good comes easy or fast.

Henry120:


Patches689 you retarrd, it's in by the way, even the JF-17 can do a vertical take-off. I really don't get your obsession with the F-22. Infact the JF-17 can hover for a couple seconds.

JF-17 doing a vertical take off at the paris air show 15.

WooooooooooW!!!!! LMFAO That's your interpretation of a Vertical Takeoff

Now I realise that what Patches has been saying about you is true, you just claim sh*t and you expect people to believe you.

That's not a Vertical takeoff because the plane was already in the air, when it moved vertically.

We all know how you see the JF-17 as a Godly plane but the fact is it can't do what you're saying.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VTOL_aircraft

There's a list of a many of the known Aircraft capable of Vertical Takeoff.

lionel4power:
If south africa has only 10 or 12 units of rooivalk and deployed some for UN, how many do they have in-country? How do they cope with shortages?

Uhm Shortages for what?

We're not at war with anyone, plus its only three that are out of the Country, the rest are back here left for training.

Not forgetting that the Defence Review calls for more attack helicopters. So we'll definitely be seeing more choppers coming in, whether inside or outside the Country.

aldrick:
The creeks of Calabar were yesterday
bombed by the Nigerian Air Force for over
an hour following orders of the Chief of Air
Staff, Air Vice Marshall Adesola Amosu,
DailyTrust reports.

Commander of the 207 Special Mobility
Group based in Calabar, Air Commodore
Charles Ohwo said the air force was able to
bomb suspected targets in the entire creeks
of Calabar waterways up to Bakassi and
environs and that the raid would extend to creeks in Akwa Ibom State.

He said the exercise was planned in
conjunction with the Navy, Army and police,
but led by the Air Force “because of reach
and air advantage. Innocent lives were not
affected.”

Gunmen suspected to be pirates and
militants on the Calabar waterways carry
out frequent attacks on vessels, police
stations and seafarers including market
women on the Calabar waterways.

Source; http://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/nigeria-air-force-begins-war-on-south-south-militants.113337/

That Photo is of a Rooivalk prototype built in South Africa, it hasn't been export yet so its only the SAAF that uses them. Nigeria doesn't have the Rooivalk. NAF uses the Mi-24 & Mi-35