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PoliticsRe: Israelis Admit To Sterilizing African Women In Israel by cfours(op): 7:51am On Jan 29, 2013
Austine.E:
...racism is a global thing and nt just particular with Isreal,in many countries is carried out quietly,some systematically and in some others is a little more pronounced!Even the Arabs see black Africans as slaves,in Sudan conflict,the supporter of APC arab militias will cross over to sudan to assist their brothers in ethnicly cleansing the black muslims of Darfur!they believe that black muslims do nt have the right to a ascend to certain level of authority in life,that blacks are meant to remain in perpetual servitude!
yea true. but jews have an air of self-righteousness about them. Anyone who who disagrees with them is automatically labelled as a nazi or anti-jew etc.
the hypocrisy stinks to heaven *pinches nose*.


"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
CelebritiesRe: Peter Okoye Shows-Off His Louis Vuitton Sneakers by cfours: 4:57am On Jan 29, 2013
he is almost 35 and acting a fool.
PoliticsRe: Israelis Admit To Sterilizing African Women In Israel by cfours(op): 4:40am On Jan 29, 2013
braine: I'm surprised coz I believed the teachings of Christianity evolved from there and the fact that it has been going on for decades.
Yea Christianity began among the jews and the Jews killed Jesus for calling himself son of God.
Jews are not very fond of christians. In fact, they have a derogatory word for chistians even till today.
don't know why we christians are obsessed with them. How are they still supposed to be "God's Chosen" if they don't even believe in Christ!
PoliticsRe: Israelis Admit To Sterilizing African Women In Israel by cfours(op): 4:34am On Jan 29, 2013
Lots of church pastors like to bring up Israel in their preaching and talk about how they are supporting the Jews in the Palestinian conflict.
uurghhh...
I think both sides need to chill out. I will not support Israel over Palestine. and trust the Israelis to call you a Nazi or anti-semitic if you do or say anything that they disagree with.
PoliticsRe: Israelis Admit To Sterilizing African Women In Israel by cfours(op): 4:27am On Jan 29, 2013
braine: Wtf? This is the height of racism and human rights belittling.
and you are surprised because...?
we all know how they treat their Arab neighbors (with the help of almighty USA) talkless of black Africans.
PoliticsRe: Israelis Admit To Sterilizing African Women In Israel by cfours(op): 4:21am On Jan 29, 2013
in other words, only white jews are allowed in israel.
igbo "jews", sorry, I think you are out of luck tongue
PoliticsRe: Correction To Dede: Biafra War Was 2 Year 6 Months And 9 Days NOT 3 YEARS! by cfours: 4:18am On Jan 29, 2013
who cares.
why are you giving these biafra apologists lolipops to suck on.
Foreign AffairsRe: North Korean Parents 'Eat Their Children' In Famine-hit State by cfours: 4:16am On Jan 29, 2013
LOL why would anyone even believe this cooked up trash
PoliticsIsraelis Admit To Sterilizing African Women In Israel by cfours(op): 4:09am On Jan 29, 2013
NAZARETH, Israel // Health officials in Israel are subjecting many female Ethiopian immigrants to a controversial long-term birth control drug in what Israeli women's groups allege is a racist policy to reduce the number of black babies. The contraceptive, known as Depo Provera, which is given by injection every three months, is considered by many doctors as a birth control method of last resort because of problems treating its side effects.

However, according to a report published last week, use of the contraceptive by Israeli doctors has risen threefold over the past few years. Figures show that 57 per cent of Depo Provera users in Israel are Ethiopian, even though the community accounts for less than two per cent of the total population. About 90,000 Ethiopians have been brought to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has subsequently been questioned by some rabbis and is doubted by many ordinary Israelis.

Ethiopians are reported to face widespread discrimination in jobs, housing and education and it recently emerged that their blood donations were routinely discarded. "This is about reducing the number of births in a community that is black and mostly poor," said Hedva Eyal, the author of the report by Woman to Woman, a feminist organisation based in Haifa, in northern Israel. "The unspoken policy is that only children who are white and Ashkenazi are wanted in Israel," she said, referring to the term for European Jews who founded Israel and continue to dominate its institutions.

Women's groups were alerted to the widespread use of Depo Provera in the Ethiopian community in 2008 when Rachel Mangoli, who runs a day care centre for 120 Ethiopian children in Bnei Braq, a suburb of Tel Aviv, observed that she had received only one new child in the previous three years. "I started to think about how strange the situation was after I had to send back donated baby clothes because there was no one in the community to give them to," she said.

She approached a local health clinic serving the 55 Ethiopian families in Bnei Braq and was told by the clinic manager that they had been instructed to administer Depo Provera injections to the women of child-bearing age, though he refused to say who had issued the order. Ms Mangoli, who interviewed the women, said: "They had not been told about alternative forms of contraception or about the side effects or given medical follow-ups." The women complained of a wide range of side effects associated with the drug, including headaches, abdominal pain, fatigue, nausea, loss of libido and general burning sensations.

Depo Provera is also known to decrease bone density, especially among dark-skinned women, which can lead to osteoporosis in later life. Doctors are concerned that it is difficult or impossible to help women who experience severe side effects because the drug is in their system for months after it is injected. The contraceptive's reputation has also been tarnished by its association with South Africa, where the apartheid government had used it, often coercively, to limit the fertility of black women.

Traditionally, its main uses have been for women who are regarded as incapable of controlling their own reproduction or monitor other forms of birth control, and for women who suffer severe problems during menstruation. Ms Eyal said she had been denied co-operation from government ministries, doctors and most of the health insurance companies while conducting her research. Clalit, the largest health company, however, did provide figures showing that 57 per cent of its Depo Provera users were Ethiopian compared with a handful of women in other ethnic groups.

The health ministry was unavailable for comment. When first questioned about Depo Provera in June 2008, the health minister of the time, Yaacov Ben Yezri, said the high number of Ethiopians in Israel using the drug reflected a "cultural preference" for injections among Ethiopians. In fact, according to figures of the World Health Organisation, three-quarters of women in Ethiopia using birth control take the oral pill.

"The answers we received from officials demonstrated overt racism," Ms Eyal said. "They suggested that Ethiopian women should be treated not as individuals but as a collective group whose reproduction needs controlling." When Woman to Woman conducted an experiment by sending five non-Ethiopian women to doctors to ask for Depo Provera, all were told that it was prescribed only in highly unusual cases.

Ms Mangoli said it was extremely difficult to get immigrant Ethiopian families to speak out because they were afraid that their Jewishness was under suspicion and that they might be deported if they caused trouble. However, women interviewed anonymously for the report stated that officials at absorption centres in Ethiopia advised them to take Depo Provera because there would be no funds to support their children if they got pregnant in Israel.

This policy appears to conflict with the stated goals of the country's Demography Council, a group of experts charged with devising ways to persuade Jewish women to have more babies. The council was established in response to what is widely seen in Israel as a "demographic war" with Palestinians, or the need to maintain a Jewish majority in the region despite high Palestinian birth rates. In a speech marking the council's reconvening in 2002, the then social welfare minister, Shlomo Benizri, referred to "the beauty of the Jewish family that is blessed with many children".

Yali Hashash, a researcher at Haifa University, said attempts to restrict Ethiopian women's fertility echoed practices used against Jewish women who immigrated to Israel from such Arab countries as Iraq, Yemen and Morocco in the state's early years, in the 1950s and 1960s. Many, she said, had been encouraged to fit IUDs when the device was still experimental because Israel's leading gynecologists regarded Arab Jews as "primitive" and incapable of acting "responsibly".

Allegations of official racism towards Ethiopians gained prominence in 2006 when it was admitted that for many years all their blood donations had been discarded for fear that they might be contaminated with diseases. There have also been regular reports of Ethiopian children being denied places in schools or being forced to attend separate classes. In November a survey of employers in the main professions showed that 53 per cent preferred not to hire an Ethiopian.

Ruth Sinai, an Israeli social affairs reporter for Haaretz newspaper, wrote recently that the discrimination faced by the country's 120,000 Ethiopians reflected in particular "doubts on the part of the country's religious establishment about their Jewishness". @Email:foreign.desk@thenational.ae

Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/israels-treatment-of-ethiopians-racist#ixzz2JKXDPUqq
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PoliticsRe: Concede Presidency To South-East In 2015 — Ohanaeze by cfours: 3:33am On Jan 28, 2013
aribisala0: Continue playing victim .
Next we will have an Urhobo,Tiv, Itsekiri ,and then Edo President while you sit there idly and arrogantly talking crap.
Nobody owes you anything. You want to get on with people be nice to them and be humble.
Stop telling people how 5tupid they are and how you are the best at everything.It will produce consistently the same results it always has. The lazy approach is staying in PDP and hoping YOUR TURN will come while others are patiently working toward an alternative over many years and several failures are you a part of that? No rather you sneer and dismiss it as a Yoruba this and Aboki that. PDP cannot rule for ever and when the change occurs it will be too obvious who the opportunists are
gbam grin grin
this post is too perfect.
PoliticsRe: Concede Presidency To South-East In 2015 — Ohanaeze by cfours: 3:31am On Jan 28, 2013
yup. if Mr Jonathan can do it, anybody can do it.
enough of the whining. you're just lazy.
no such thing a free gifts in this world. you work for what you want.
PoliticsRe: Obasanjo Cautions Achebe & Awolowo’s Loyalists Against Civil War Comments by cfours: 3:27am On Jan 28, 2013
Andre Uweh: Forget the moaning, Ndigbo in Nigeria only wants equity, justice fairness etc. If any administration can provide Ndigbo with their wishes, that administration will be supported any time any day. Having an Igbo man as president may even benefit other ethnic groups more than Ndigbo. So what's the point.
I can remember clearly that when Chukwuma Soludo was gov of central bank, all his appointments were to Yorubas, Hausas etc to the detriment of his people.
Even after the overthrow of the civilian regime in 1966. Two Igbo leaders emerged. One in the north led by Nzeogwu. The other in the south led by Ironsi. But guess what, they both sorrounded themselves with non Igbo people. My point here is that if we have an Igbo president today, he will tend to placate Hausas and Yorubas.
What I personally want is someone who will benefit Ndigbo irrespective of ethnicity.
That's what you call a PUPPET leader.
and that's why you need to work hard for your title and earn it. don't wait or whine for others to give or concede it to you. because if they give it to you, you are only going to serve as their puppet.

Soludo was probably only returning the favor to his puppet masters.
PoliticsRe: Concede Presidency To South-East In 2015 — Ohanaeze by cfours: 3:05am On Jan 28, 2013
this topic is as foolish as it sounds.

if you want presidency so bad, go and plot a coup
otherwise, learn politics and play the game like others are doing.
there is no such thing as "conceding power" in politics esp. if there is nothing to gain for the people conceding the power.
what am i going to gain for conceding power to you? what will you give me in return?
are igbo leaders conceding power to each other in SE?

nonsense and ingredient.
PoliticsRe: Obasanjo Cautions Achebe & Awolowo’s Loyalists Against Civil War Comments by cfours: 2:53am On Jan 28, 2013
speedyboi: please, what will you say if after 30years later; northern nigeria claims injustice and unfairness during boko haram menace? Or they start saying that they suffered the most during boko haram bombings and the aftermath(which its true)?
How does that sound to you? And what will be your reaction?


There.....you got it now
Interesting point.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Have No Leaders – Ben Obi by cfours: 2:47am On Jan 28, 2013
asha 80: that was 'manufactured' in the 70s by some scholars of igbo descent when the teaching of igbo was thought of.
ROTFLMAO I never knew this.
for a central igbo language to be manufactured as late as the 70s. this was after the civil war for christ sake!!


the ben obi guy looks handsome and sophisticated sha. like a version of wole soyinka but without the crazy hair and beard.
PoliticsRe: Obasanjo Cautions Achebe & Awolowo’s Loyalists Against Civil War Comments by cfours: 2:17am On Jan 28, 2013
icon aus: What happened when Ekwueme was at the verge of clinching PDP ticket and OBJ was released from prison to stop him with the support of the ruling class Abubakar, Babangida and the likes? Just tell yourself the truth
blame yourselves for being politically maladroit.
no one is going to hand over presidency to you. you are not a child. you are a major ethnic group in Nigeria for christ sake. if you want presidency so bad, you will work for it and achieve it. if presidency is handed over to you, you are only going to end up being a PUPPET rather than if you had earned it by yourself.
last time I checked, PDP chairmen were igbo. but again, being a chairman or president does not make you leader if the position was handed to you by someone else. all it does is make you a PUPPET for those people.

there is a difference between having a title and actually having the power. a title is just a title. I can call myself President and still have a group of men controlling my every move. having power on the other hand is something you have to earn or win. no one will just hand it to you.

Everyone is out for himself and you can't blame anyone for succeeding above you. in fact you should respect them and try harder.

look at yorubas they didn't like PDP so they formed their own ACN which now today almost rivals PDP.
did they go around whining and waiting for hausas or igbos to hand over leadership and positions to them? NO
they worked hard and built things up.
no one hands over things to you. you have to fight for it if you want it.
soon you will have igbos whining about representation in ACN once it has become very powerful. all their myopic eyes can see are titles and posts. they don't seem to understand what real power is. and real power doesn't come by whining.

if you are a loser, you have yourself to blame for that. real power NEVER comes through whining.
PoliticsRe: Obasanjo Cautions Achebe & Awolowo’s Loyalists Against Civil War Comments by cfours:
texazzpete: Such an old bitter man you are, yet your ignorance is so nauseating.
In WWII, as a result of the German invasion of the Soviet Union, over 10 million Russians died...and many atrocities were committed. The Russians visited similar atrocities on the german population (albeit on a much smaller scale) and the hatred for the Germans was palpable. The whole of Eastern Europe was brought under the communist jackboot, Germany was partitioned, once-proud old nations like Poland were rendered mere vassals of the Soviet Union...and you say people just went back to 'rebuild and re-establish as they wished'?

Go find out what the Gestapo did to many frenchmen. Find out the numerous atrocities the Japanese forces carried out in China during WWII. Find out the horrific death toll the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki took...or the firebombing of Dresden that killed nearly 100000 people.

All these people have moved on. Israeli jews move and live freely in Germany. There are US bases in Japan and the US and Japan share close ties. German tourist walk the streets of Moscow. Japanese cars are more popular in the US than most American car brands.

people move on.
You demons want to keep sowing the seeds of hatred...shame on you!
don't mind them.
PoliticsRe: The Permanent Post Biafra Trauma Blackmail By Kayode Ogundamisi by cfours: 1:04am On Jan 26, 2013
Noiseless2: Why didn't we retaliate and murder millions of women and children, is that all you got mr sky high IQ? Huuhuu!
One can clearly see how your mountain high or sky high IQ has led you to afghanistan in west africa.
hahaha I see you can't answer the question.

When Trouble sleep yanga go wake am
Wetin e they find

Chorus
Palava he go find
(Palava he go get eh ohh)
Palava he go find
(palava)

When cat sleep, rat go bite him tail
Weh ti they find
Palava he dey find
(Palava he go get eh ohhh)
Palava he go get
(palava)
PoliticsRe: The Permanent Post Biafra Trauma Blackmail By Kayode Ogundamisi by cfours:
Noiseless2: Since the mention of Biafra republic and the millions of innocent women and children who were murdered by your evil proud and war criminal OBAFEMI AWHORE-LOWO and his northern niGGArian cohorts is what gives you lots sleepless night, you ain't seen nothing yet.
shut up loser. why didn't you retaliate and murder millions of nigerians by starvation? you are too saintly for that right? hahahah
like the saying goes: Never put your finger in a lion's mouth. another one is: cut your coat according to your coat.
clearly you folks had IQ lower than a goats. since you didn't understand such simple concepts. you don't deserve any sympathy. and you don't deserve any now. since you prove yourselves to be perpetual loud mouths.

the vitamin and nutrient deficiency has definitely messed with your brains. no be small thing!!
PoliticsRe: The Permanent Post Biafra Trauma Blackmail By Kayode Ogundamisi by cfours: 6:16am On Jan 24, 2013
lakhadimar: [size=14pt] cursed be ojukwu who also contested to be the president of this same Nigeria he fought against during the 2003 general elections, cursed be senator chukwumerije a one time biafra propagandist who is now in the national assembly at abuja sitting, eating, drinking and looting with the same northerners he spoke against during the civil war. [/size]
grin grin hahah
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours: 6:08am On Jan 24, 2013
the biggest irony of all is that igbos actually living in SE are just as ok as other tribes. It is mostly the implants i.e igbos squatting on yoruba or hausa land that are most bitter and angry about nigeria. Even Ojukwu himself never really lived in his region. was born and raised outside of it. Maybe that is the problem. insecurity issues? When you have kids, maybe you can try to raise them in their native land so they don't grow up to be as bitter? because of course when you spend you entire life living on another man's land, you will grow up to have an insecure, marginalized mentality. If you think your tribe is marginalized, then maybe it seems that way because you are living in another tribe's region? go to a public secondary school in ogun or oyo state and tons of 12-13 yr old ibo kids there who are going to grow up marred and insecure. and lagos is NOT igboland (yea despite many igbo men's fantasies). I probably would be bitter too if I grew up in Kano or onitsha.I would probably feel marginalized too(rotfl) Thank God i'm yoruba through and through. born and bred. proud yoruba and nigerian. most hausas also live in the north and are not as migratory.
as a young child,I actually thought igbos, hausas etc were foreigners from ghana. honest truth. I knew they didn't belong the the area. their names were different etc. of course the only hausas I met were adults who were traders or gatemen but the igbos were children they actually were born and grew up in yorubaland. and when you are a child, your vicinity is your entire world. so maybe this is what influence igbo mentality to feel like foreigners because they grew up not "belonging" from living among other tribes? I'm sure if I had grown up in a village in Enugu or Maiduguri, the kids will see me as "foreign" and I will grow up with that mentality of "marginalization" as well due to not fitting in.

try raising your kids in their native land. it will do much good for your sense of self, worth and pride. those qualities shouldcome from thee inside and not be defined by political borders. you don't need secession to feel "self determination" LOL your pride in your heritage should come from the inside and shouldn't be defined by some unknown mythological borders from kingdoms past. rotfl why the attempt to recreate the past when you shld be moving forward.

https://www.nairaland.com/1172862/permanent-post-biafra-trauma-blackmail
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours:
@ezeagu,
If you believe that britain is under an "absolute monarchy" I won't argue with you on that one. hahaha

.
By law everybody in Nigeria has equal stake, but in Benin and every other empire every non-member of the ruling ethnic group, in this case non-Bini, did not. What you are saying is that in practice, not by law, there is a ruling class or there is bias to a particular group, whether racial or otherwise, in all these countries presently which isn't really countering any arguments I've made.
I'm sorry but Nigeria ain't a communist country. there is no clause in our constitution that states that tribe "equality" (whatever that means) must be enforced by law. Even majority of the so called communist countries turned out to be scams of the highest order and much worse, dictatorial and brutal than the alternatives. all they did was use human lives as tools.

besides as far as i'm concerned, our current president is Goodluck Ebele Azikwe Jonathan. I'm satisfied with my president and i'm yoruba. You keep repeating the phrase "ruling ethnic group" and that makes no sense to me. of course if you have given up hope in nigeria and not interested in contributing to its civil life then you can't complain about not being represented. You chose to be a non- participant. In fact, you choose to be a enemy of progress. Even ojukwu came back from exile and couldn't carry simple votes in his town talkless of whole SE region! of course after he dies they all pretend to revere him. can i say irony?

No, we won't mind if you leave nigeria. seriously. just pack your load and leave the country or change nationalities. the country will stay intact n we won't miss you.
CelebritiesRe: Agbani Derago VS Leila Lopes; Who's More Beautiful? by cfours: 9:30pm On Jan 21, 2013
Foxyhoxy: hmmmm, my question is wots d diff btw WORLD n UNIVERSE?
Miss World is London based while Miss Universe is an American enterprise by Donald Trump.
it's just all show business with different white businessmen running it.

google is your friend.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2003/11/is_miss_universe_miss_worlds_boss.html
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours: 9:16pm On Jan 21, 2013
pazienza: during the 1966 counter coup by the north,and the riot of northern citizens that resulted to the massacre of thousands of easterners,the shout by the north was 'araba', the wanted out of nigeria,they felt they don't belong together with the east,we in the east felt so too, the massacre was supposed to be their parting gift to us. But then,the british came in,and the north became their mercenaries to help them secure the oil in the east,and the north mantra changed to: "one nigeria". So, you are right,to the yorubas and the north,one nigeria must be preserved because of oil,but you are wrong on igbos,for us,nigeria must die,not because of oil,but because we share different different ideology with you lots.
again you are proving my point!!
of course it makes you feel civilized to believe that you are fighting for "ideology"
whatever makes you sleep well at night cool
yet i wonder why biafra wanted to take all of the oil rich south south regions with it.
and also why Ojukwu immediately began making plans to work with the french oil company, Elf. this is while the war was still going on!! he didn't even wait for biafra to materialize before he started looking for ways to make oil money.
admit it that the folks were just pawns.
but ego and pride is too great even for LOGIC. grin

this confederate lady is your friend. hahaha 200 yrs later
[img]http://3.bp..com/-G9dBZigNGu0/Tm2RjnrP9VI/AAAAAAAAALk/L5EmkXGNWQk/s1600/confederate+flag+tea+party.JPG[/img]
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours:
pazienza: self determination is human nature,no one should be forced to be in the same country with people they don't want. On,american war was ideological war,once it was over,they got over it,it had no tribal undertones,non of the actors are indigenous to america. On the indian issue,the sikhs are a progressive group,their region have the highest GDP in india,yea,the current prime minister is a sikh,and for a small group,they control upto 20percent of the indian army,but make no mistake about it,the hindi are still the lords of india,they have the population.
do you live in the US? well, I do. the war was fought almost 200 yrs ago and if you go to the south today, they are still waving their "confederate flags" and chanting "the south will rise again" just the same way biafrans are still dreamy about so called biafra. hahaha the southerners are the butt of jokes for us american northerners. they lost the war and up to this day, they're still bitter about it. after almost 200 yrs!!
sometimes, ego triumphs over logic
but the south are not interested in fighting a civil war anymore even though they still have a separate ideology (ex. southerners are predominantly republican vs democrats up north). so ideology is not enough to "self determine"

Look at the war of lebanon. their situation was similar to india. a small christian minority controlled a large share of the political and economic power while majority of the country was muslim. this led to a brutal civil war!! why didn't India degenerate into the same?
the way each country handles and manages its problems determines the outcome IMO

and you also need to define what you mean by ideology because there are people in every nation with different ideology yet they don't fight wars or want to secceed. yet in some other countries, they do. ex. atheists make up a substantial population in USA yet you don't see christian and atheists at war. and who knows, 100 yrs from now they might be. it all depends on a few people at the top who manipulate previously innocuous differences between people to gain support for their cause. all of a sudden, the differences that didn't use to be a big deal become something people start laying their lives for huh

the american civil war was in reality a war over economic power. the industrial revolution was taking over the traditional manual agricultural economy that the south dominated. the south had plenty of slaves for manual agricultural labor yet industrialism was taking hold with its iron, steel and engines and threatening the southern economy. these are people who are similar in every way same language, same heritage same everything. yet all of a sudden they are at war. of course humans will always try to rationalize their motives and claim they were all about ideology but we all know the real reason behind the war was competition for power. it is no surprise that industrialism sped up after the civil war. the northerners had won!!!
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/186089

kinda like how the war in Iraq was a war for "freedom and democracy" grin yet every person with a brain knows it's really just a war over OIL and resources. freedom and democracy are just the "feel good" reasons that people can be proud to say they are fighting for. ideology is also a way for the few leaders at the top to garner support from the dumb mass for a cause that doesn't benefit them in any way. you started seeing americans going to iraq to die foolishly for "freedom"

imagine if wars were fought just because of ideology there will be a gazzilion wars being fought on the planet today. people inherently have different believes and ideas. it's what makes us human. it is when these differences are either being taken advantage of by the elite or the differences lead to a chance for economic or political gain that you see people start fighting or claiming "self determination."

About congo,i dont know where you got the idea that congo has only one ethnic group,to the best of my knowledge ,they have four major ethnic groups,with the kongo ethnic group making up about 48percent of the population.
re-read my post again. it says "one single MAJORITY ethnic group" if the next biggest ethnic group makes up only 15% while the biggest makes up 50%. which is the majority?
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours:
ezeagu: Yeah, but in the context of politics and ethnocentrism (which you were comparing Nigeria and empires of past with), the empires would have to have equal stake, or potential equal stake in the state. But that isn't apparent in older kingdoms like Benin where it was only ethnic Bini that ruled. So therefore, no, empires of past were not-multiethnic although the society may have been.
I don't know where your so called "equal stake" idea is coming from. do you even know what the definition of an empire or kingdom is? "equal stake" is a foreign concept to the inherent idea and meaning of what an empire is. which is all about conquests and expansion. what counts as modern day "empires" are really just relics and remnants of what used to exist in the past. their relevance is largely gone. in fact,the decline of the british empire is what led to the wave of independence of many of its dependent states in the mid 20th century. The last real modern empire to exist was the USSR and it fell in 1989.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Empire
and there is NO such thing as "ethnic" equal stake even in modern nation states. that's all idealism for the dreamy idlers. I wish you would give a few examples of the kind of countries or empires with "equal stake" that you are talking about. why do you think people fight wars/ or form allies. it's all about getting as much power as possible for oneself! and at the end of the day, it's all about winners and losers. we are talking about politics here not church sermon.
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours:
ezeagu: Queen Elizabeth II is actually the Head of State of the United Kingdom, meaning she can declare war on another country without anyones consesnt (well, you know what I mean).

"The Queen is Head of State of the UK and 15 other Commonwealth realms. The elder daughter of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, she was born in 1926 and became Queen at the age of 25, and has reigned through more than five decades of enormous social change and development. The Queen is married to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh and has four children and eight grandchildren.

In this section packed full of images and videos, you can find out more about Her Majesty's early life and reign, public life, marriage and family and personal interests."

http://www.royal.gov.uk/hmthequeen/hmthequeen.aspx

Apart from all this Elizabeth II and probably all those monarch are looked after by Tax payers money. The United Kingdom isn't called "United Kingdom" for no reason. All those kingdoms I listed are the official long name of the state, meaning they recognise themselves as a kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy
don't make me laugh in gangnam style abeg
I love how you are talking more about the monarchy's past and history rather than about its present relevance to UK political life.
it's very obvious that the monarchy is in decline and only still exists in UK to keep tourism going. it has no other function. it's just a cultural symbol nothing else. just like things like Ooni of ife or oba of benin in nigeria. these posts are more ceremonial than anything. their real power is largely gone and its not coming back!
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours:
pazienza: How did this discussion turn to preaching for forced nigerian unity? For those of you mentioning India, india once covered pakistan and banglandesh,but it is no longer the same today. The majority muslim pakistanis got their own country, the majority hindi india got theirs,and banglandesh got theirs too. You can't have three majority groups with different life ideologies in the same country,especally when such a unity is built on a forced unity. The ideal condition is one dominant group,with a clear cut ideology,which other minorities rally around ,that is how a stable country is structured, in India they have a dominant majority Hindi culture,in USA it's anglo-saxon,Ghana is doing well because of this same reason.
so, how do you explain American Civil War of Secession?
or how do you explain the fact that Pakistanis are now killing each other over stupid things like Sunni vs Shiite islam? so should they divide further into two new countries?when will the cycle end?
muslims were never a majority group in india! they were always a minority group compared to the hindus. you can be a minority group and still gain independence for your own country. it doesn't make it a wise decision but it happens.
or how do you explain the fact that yorubas and hausas are not interested in secession like the igbos are?
how do you explain the fact that minority Sikhs NOT majority Hindus wield a disproportionate amount of power in Indian politics and economy?
how do you explain the fact that simple conflicts resort to war in countries like congo (single ethnic majority and religion!) yet in a country like USA, things are relatively stable?
Ghana has ethnic conflicts too. do your research. besides, it has a diversified economy for now. only time will tell what the "oil curse" will do to it.
Only a fool will not realize that the nigerian civil war is all about OIL. ideology or ethnic "differences" are just facades for the real purpose of the war. millions of foolish people were just used as tools for a few select greedy ambitious men.
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours: 8:41pm On Jan 20, 2013
ezeagu: 'Multi-ethnic' would mean that every one of those ethnicities had an equal share of the state, including cultural influence.
WRONG there is NO such thing as each ethnicities having equal share of the state.
that does not exist in reality. only fantasy.

India is a multi-ethnic nation. because it has a plethora of ethnicities within it's borders. but usually only the most poweful ethnic groups will get to rule it most of the time.
USA is also a multi-ethnic country. I'm sure you live in the USA so I won't say further than that.
what's left is for the ethnic groups to vie for power (if they are still stuck with tribalistic mindframes). if you sit back relax waiting for your share to come to you then you will siddon forever. while you are sitting idly, you can occupy yourselves with stupid stories of how you were "great kingdoms" in the past grin tales of the weak idlers who don't want to move forward with reality.

if you have problems with these definitions of "multi-ethnic", go and petition dictionaries and encyclopedias to include your crazy ideas in their books.
A multiethnic society is one with members belonging to more than one ethnic group, in contrast to societies which are ethnically homogeneous.

the key word here is "members" not "rulers" wink
and by that definition, all empires and kingdoms of the past (and *chuckle* present) have been multi-ethnic. in fact, the whole point of becoming an empire is to CONQUER other groups and have them absorbed into yours.
in that sense, nations are actually fairer politically since each member has a vote. but of course numbers matter.
CultureRe: The Conquest of Nigeria: What Went Wrong? by cfours: 8:31pm On Jan 20, 2013
ezeagu: United Kingdom
Kingdom of Norway
Kingdom of Bahrain
Kingdom of Denmark
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Kingdom of Swaziland
Kingdom of Tonga
Kingdom of the Netherlands
Kingdom of Sweden
United Arab Emirates
Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
And so on...

Other:
Japan (Emperor Akihito)
Brunei (Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah)
Commonwealth: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, and so on... (Queen Elizabeth II)
you must be out of your mind.
What about Ooni of Ife
Oba of Benin
Igwe of iboland
etc etc

these are all CEREMONIAL posts. They have absolutely no power over the direction of the country. When was the last time Queen Elizabeth had anything to do with British foreign and economic policy besides just providing fodder for celebrity tabloids. the only thing that makes "royalty" relevant today is the fairy tale idea of princes and princess ex weddings. kate middletown etc. they are just like entertainers rather than rulers.
they are no longer relevant in today's global political reality!!

you are only deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
when the so called "royalty" is being forced to pay rent by the president or prime minister. you know something is up. worst of all is when it's featured in a tabloid.ROTFL
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1077382/How-Princess-Pushy-pay-120-000-year-rent-Kensington-Palace-apartment.html

Who ever still calls Sweden, Denmark, Japan etc empires and kingdoms are just fools who need to be shipped back to the iceage. grin

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