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maclatunji: Awwwww relax sweetheart, I was joking too. The minimum I can ban you for is 1 hour that will let you know that 'banning you for 30 minutes' is a joke. You cracked a joke and I returned with a joke- now you are angry.

Don't fret, you will find me easy to relate with soon enough. We are cool now, abi?

Stop pandering and do your job!

Answer my question in the complaints section! Where is my thread?

tbaba1234: First of all, evolution as a theory does not preclude the need for a God. The One who started everything. You see, the need for the first cause is essential and it is in line with everything we see around us. You do not look at your laptop and say it had no maker, even if the production was fully automated. Someone put the process in place. That indicates a will and a personality.

The fact that we have everything around us balanced and following certain rules is evidence for the existence of a creator with a will. The Quran itself is evidence for God because there is no naturalistic explanation for it. It is beyond what the human mind can produce.

True hermaphroditism is extremely rare and undocumented. XXY males, XYY males, XO females, and Bleep females are not hermaphrodites, they may develop unusual features but they are not hermaphrodites. They are completely male/female.

Now the existence of these people does not pose a problem for the muslim, because we realise that everything we have is a gift. We own nothing. We are grateful for everything, we are given and we do not despair over what has not been given to us. We do not despair over what we do not have because it truly isn't ours. The purpose of life isn't fun and enjoyment, we are going through a test,... everything we face is part of that test. What happens in this life dictates what will happen in the next.

The fact that some people are born blind makes you realise the gift of vision, that people are born with these kinds of conditions helps you appreciate the gift of what you have.

Tbaba, if you consider the big band and evolution, God looks a bit insane and slow. A guy that can snap everything into existence, will create a big bang which creates stars and planets over a billion years then waits for another billion years for humans to evolve. It would be like filling a well drop by drop that would take months instead of using a pipe/irrigation that will fill it inless than 5 hours.

maclatunji: Awwwww relax sweetheart, I was joking too. The minimum I can ban you for is 1 hour that will let you know that 'banning you for 30 minutes' is a joke. You cracked a joke and I returned with a joke- now you are angry.

Don't fret, you will find me easy to relate with soon enough. We are cool now, abi?

Are you talking to your girlfriend? See this funky dude. This is shameless pandering!

tbaba1234: Visible light is just one type of electromagnetic waves.... Can you perceive radio waves with your senses? they are electromagnetic waves as well. The eyes of humans only sense a small range of frequencies of electromagnetic waves..

No, Love as a name is the abstract thing... people do feel attraction to each other... The name love is the abstraction, not the feeling of love because it exists.

Same with the word 'God'. The name could be said to be an abstract for the cause/creator of the universe. The universe having a creator is not abstract.

There is no evidence for God. We keep going round in circles. No evidence. You want to claim that we are creations of Allah as evidence. This creation argument fails when you consider evolution. Even if you dont want to accept evolution, there is still the problem of hermaphrodites? Does the creator make mistakes?

maclatunji: Now, you I am not joking with. I guess there has to be someone like you here. I will let my mind work on the best way to relate with you and come up with quite an appropriate course of action.

Just keep your campaign to yourself and you will be okay most of the time.

Yes sir


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tbaba1234: An abstract thing is something we can't perceive directly with our senses..... We use electromagnetic waves but they could be said to be 'abstract'.. We can't perceive them with our senses. If by abstract you mean something that can only be perceived by thought.

Then id say to you, that by looking at what we have in the universe, and relating it to the physical laws of the universe. We can comfortably come up with the fact of a creator. The name you attribute to this creator is what is abstract not the creator himself.

Also, If a creator reveals himself via revelation that is beyond what the human mind can reproduce and a revelation that defies a naturalistic explanation. We can examine the evidence and come to a definite conclusion on His existence and his name.

Electromagnetic waves are not abstract. Visible light waves are electromagnetic waves.

An absract is just something we use to describe the phyical.

love is an abstract used to define sets of actions between to or more poeple.

God is an abstract from imagination from thought processes of the brain

fellis: I had never heard of anything regarding FGM in Islam, whether it is good or bad.
The conversation those boys in my original post were having, coupled with the fact that a pamphlet was shared to the Muslim females in my school, that pamphlet contained a Hadith about FGM, it said something about FGM brightening the face of the woman or something like that. These things made me unsure and I had to ask again to confirm. That is also true, walahi.

I could have googled the question to find out the answer but there are so many anti-Islamic sites run by enemies of Islam so I came here to ask instead because I was sure to get answers from Muslims here.
But what I got was to be accused of being an actress and to be threatened with a ban.

Lol. What is the difference between you and christian sheep that run to their pastors for answers instead of finding out for themselves?

Sorry, I dont believe you.


But you now believe me when I say that Maclatunji is quite strict and on a power trip

vedaxcool: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran's_Family_Protection_Law while some one has been shouting horse heretic khomini immediately after the revolution reverted the age of marriage to 9 years, maybe him an the entire clerical establishment of Iran were just some people claiming to be muslims! Lols and lmaos seems right here

How did my topic on logicalist islam disappear?

maclatunji: If not that I know you are clean (at heart), I would have banned you for 30 minutes for that question. I am a Muslim and don't do sects. The Islam the Prophet (SAW) brought and taught is still here and I follow that. I respect his companions and learn from them across board.

What is with your sadistic humor? Is this a power trip?

How can you seriously joke about banning someone for 30 mins for just asking a question? I fear you.


As for fellis being clean at heart, do you believe that she doesnt know that female circumcision is not mainstream islam? Even I know that as a non-muslim. Fellis is just acting innocent.

LagosShia: you are the one not being honest here by failing to reason and also check all the available facts presented in the other thread on Aisha's age.you're only paying attention to what suits you to spread false propaganda against Islam.unfortunately there are also those who call themselves Muslims agreeing that the Prophet (sa) married a child.

lololol.

Please, dont give Shia a bad name. Most muslims will not agree with your theory on Aisha's age.

maclatunji: @bolded, call me resourceful. #Hehehe

I guess.

tbaba1234: Exactly, for realities that are unseen/intangible, we reach conclusions based on rational and intellectual deductions not physical evidence. There might be hope for you yet...

The brain is not the mind... The brain can be removed from the head and dissected but we still can not know what goes on in the mind... However, through a psychological evaluation, we can figure out a person mental health by making rational deductions.

So for an unseen creator, the way to reach a conclusion on his existence is via rational/intellectual deductions.

The only way to jump towards God from my comment is to reduce god to an abstract.

Everything we know is physical. The abstract is what we use to describe the physical.

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vedaxcool: @ rafidi

While u are free to live in your dreams and follow conjectures, we the real muslims do not insult the prophet's wives, for any reason whatsoever!




Let cut our loses and do the following trade, whether she was 6 or 9 or not, can be seen in a historical context, those days people did marry early, even the jews married at such early age, this days we hear of tales where. A "child" of. 9 gave birth to her own child, so we can say even at ages of 9 a girl can be actually matured, hence my take on this issue is that then people had a different standard for judging the readiness/maturity of a girl for marriage hence putting our 21st centuary criteria that is fraught with hypocrisy as a standard to judge the marriage of Aisha ra at 9 is not sound logic at all! To compound the matter this days we see the stranges things like en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe the consensual age at england in one point was as low as 10 years, now it is 16, why the changing standards? In any case spain has an age of consent of 13 for both hetero and homo relations, in the link provided above you will see how most changed their age from one point to another, so the real question remains what criteria do they use? Hence it males little sense to judge the issue of aisha age labeling pedophilia when we see this people dilly dallying on age of consent on the terms of who? The west? The issue of Aisha age to me remain a non issue!

Well, this is something we can agree on. LagosShia wasnt being honest Aisha.

maclatunji: This is more than enough reason to ban you under the 'mocking the moderator ' category. Seriously, the internet is a secondary source of information about Islam, you have to go to the source to get primary information. Whether you realise it or not, you are very likely to get a ban with your mindset.

I give up.

How you manufacture ways to legally ban me is mind boggling. However, that's what makes you the Big boss MACdaddy!

LagosShia: and in that thread on Aisha's age i presented the reason why those Muslims insist Aisha was a baby when she was betrothed and married is there.

Whatever, you can try and remix the age but we all know the truth. I dont want to continue this any further before Maclatunji bans me for "being insulting to Islam" the guy is seriously looking for an excuse.

tbaba1234: What you have given me is a rational deduction not physical evidence... Please note the difference

Again provide physical evidence for the mind...

the mind is an absract word to describe the unique thought processes. It is not a spiritual part outside the body. It is just a process of the brain. The brain is the mind.

It is like asking to provide phyical evidence for sight (an abstract). the eye enables us to see

It is like asking to provide physical evidence for thought.the brain enables us to think


The brain is the mind

tbaba1234: A mind ( /ˈmaɪnd/) is the complex of cognitive faculties that enables consciousness, thinking, reasoning, perception, and judgement —a characteristic of human beings, but which also may apply to other life forms.

That is your definition,

The brain is the center of the nervous system in all vertebrate and most invertebrate animals—only a few invertebrates such as sponges, jellyfish, adult sea squirts and starfish do not have one, even if diffuse neural tissue is present. It is located in the head, usually close to the primary sensory organs for such senses as vision, hearing, balance, taste, and smell. (wikipedia)

How is the brain physical evidence for the mind Brain and mind are NOT the same thing...

.... Show me physical evidence that i think or even have a mind and please think hard....

Most scientific theories are based of laws that can't be proven... Example the newton law of gravity can't be proven...

Lol, you dont drink alcohol and that is why you probably dont understand the fact that the mind is a function of the brain. Why is your mind clouded the very moment your brain is under the influence?

Does your mind work outside of your brain? No.

Why would you say that there is no proof of Newtons gravitational law? It is based on empirical evidence in the first place and that is why it is a law.

LagosShia: 15,16 and even 19 years old are recorded in Sunni books.so you should ask the Sunni scholars (the likes of al-tabari or whoever relayed those hadiths) about if that is taqiyyah.it is so obvious,the age of Aisha is one based on controversy and too many contradictory account to reach a conclusion she was an infant when the marriage took place.

Wait, you honestly want me to believe that the 6-9 year old figures were made up by non-muslims or what?

A basic internet search shows that the 6-9 figure is the more common figure .


Even your 15-19 year old figure is deemed not to be true by some muslims

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?182048-How-old-was-Aisha

vedaxcool: In 10 seconds the man would have left on his own accord rather than waiting for security to throw him out, unfortunately I have not watch the video but whatever the "harsh truths" was not worth the outburst, I mean what will be ridiculous is for the man tomorrow to claim like someone in this thread that he would excuse himself, when in fact he shows his crude"ility" in related issues and still wants to pretend he excuses himself decieving himself only as we see the apparent contradiction and obvious lie in such position , I think the man was just being human (he might have jumped like a "monkey" accrd.to u but he remains human), the woman might be no different than some so called muslim who insults Aisha and call her "treacherous". The issue of Aisha's age remains a non issue to most muslims. Our faith does not depend on it neither is it built around it!

I 100% agree with you. However, how do I know that you are as rational as this in real life. If we met face to face and I was bashing Aisha and Muhammed, could you remain civil?

LagosShia: you want to say that our Prophet (sa) was a paedophille as the woman in the video kept shouting thinking she found a pot of gold.

i have earlier presented a thread in which it is proven that Aisha's age was not of a child when the Prophet (sa) married her.i even pointed out in that paedophillia is in fact in christianity and not in Islam.now you can do us a favor and also yourself by reviewing that thread and exmaining the facts presented.and if you keep repeating the same thing,then you are not here to learn or seek knowledge but rather to spread your ignorance.here is the thread again on Aisha's age:

https://www.nairaland.com/846958/tell-me-why-mohammed-married


there is no beef.

Erm, sorry but you lie. The age of Aisha has been remixed to 15 or 16 when it is not so.


Is this Taqiyya?

Would christians want a sticker saying;


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or

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deols: how do we get em

Really?

LagosShia: so what this the "harsh truth"?

I cant say the harsh truth or I will be banned. Let me say that I agree with the woman in the video concerning the 21st century view of the prophet. Even you ant dispute that.



As for Vedzxcool, I knew that the Sunni/Shia beef was coming up again as soon as he mentioned your name......

tbaba1234: Ok, provide physical evidence for the mind....

This old argument?

The "mind"

A mind ( /ˈmaɪnd/) is the complex of cognitive faculties that enables consciousness, thinking, reasoning, perception, and judgement —a characteristic of human beings, but which also may apply to other life forms.[3][4]

Clearly the mind relates to the brain. The mind is an abstract to describe a structure of though process and other cognitive abilites. No brain, no mind.

Mind and brain, same thing. Mind is just used to refer to the individual thoughts

vedaxcool: Mr. Cheers, I can't even guess why, so why?

Because, I was emotional after the video!

I couldnt stop laughing because she was saying a harsh truth that many people close their ears to. The other funny part was the other guy who jumped up like a monkey because he couldnt take it. In the UK or USA, the guy would have been thrown out by security within 10 seconds

tbaba1234: ^ Question? Are all facts based on physical evidence? think before you answer

There is evidence for Allah all around you...

All fact are based on physical evidence.

vedaxcool: I think people react differently generally, some will act the way the Qur'an says, I summarize as follows "when you see the signs of Allah being mock leave the place till they change their conversation . . ." Hence what I expected the man to do was simply walk away, no be by force!

I think the OP should actually review his rationale for starting the thread, cause even a child knows we humans are emotive, from the hilarious to the bizarre we have heard of how the on very trivial issues like football (arsenal vs man u) people get stab, and evem rioting. The issue stretch even to politics where political argument recently led a greek lawmaker assaulting another a female, so it is more of a person "failure", it is human people loose their cool (not watch the video but the guy really messed up attempting to hit a lady?) A lot even people you know normally would not behave angrily can atimes loose it and turn maniac on u, even lagosshia who apparently has "forgotten" his past display of crude"ility" like when he insult frosbel father and mother and even called him a bastar+d, in addition to calling platvlle (can recall her name) very ungodly names, all this happened when he was still a shia (don't know whether he had been a wahabi- to clarify wahabi is not synonimous to salafi, wahabi is a movement within salafi) I even have video of how a shia loose his temper to simple questions asked about his faith, to me this sort of behavior is comic indeed, which reminds me of how often lagosshia results to cursing and calling on Ali whenever the faulty logics of shias is exposed, and even on NL we witness how atheist all get emotive whenever questions like being an atheist out of furstration is asked, reminding me of the thread I started on the film the rite, no atheist in the thread could even provide a sensible response some response amounted to serious infringement on the laws of logic. Even our christians brothers and sisters go emotive over issues concerning their faith.

My point, people often react with emotions and this sometime can almost get ugly. It requires wisdom and common sense to communicate our points of view and off course one also too can present his points in any manner he deems fit, civility begets civility.

Mr Vedaxcool,

Yes, humans get emotive no doubt and people react differently. So, I 100% agree.



However, can you guess why I like this video? You were wondering why I made a thread about the video.

maclatunji: You are not a Muslim, hence you speak out of context. Kindly keep quiet.

LMAO. Please, and what wouldnt I know about the Kaaba as a non muslim? Or muslim burial rites?

This is the 21st century

-there is informantion on the internet
-muslims are now friends with kaffirs and so, kaffirs learn from them.


So please, either explain how I spoke out of context or follow your advice and keep quiet when you have been pwned.





Sorry MACdaddy, I didnt mean to give you a verbal smackdown, it was just inevitable