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LagosShia: ^oppression is condemned in islam.

maclatunji: Hmmm... I find it a not very worthwhile venture to make people's graves so elaborate that they are called shrines in English irrespective of your attempt at putting up a linguistic defence.

maclatunji: ^Do you know what a shrine is?

tbaba1234: ^Most of the debates are about basic things and Hamza hardly says anything remarkable about the Quran, He simply states the obvious... yet debate after debate... you guys lose...

The truth is clear from falsehood. Street debates are ineffective, people dig in and defend their points of view no matter how irrational. They have no clearly defined area and could be all over the place. Choose a topic and debate in a formal setting, the viewers would develop their opinions.

Like i said earlier, i am not a fan of debates; I have the truth and i have the proof. We can always review the truth in a dispassionate way and arrive at conclusions, Debates generally serve little purpose. People use it to massage their egos and feel good about themselves instead of finding truth.

tbaba1234: Everything is propaganda but you will come to know... that is a promise....

IERA has had numerous formal debates with all groups; Many of which are online... Atheists always lose to muslims in those debates anyway. The aim is not to debate, it is to pass on the message. In debates, no one is willing to reason, they just build up their defenses...

These videos are just daily summary updates of what transpired; The full videos would be uploaded at a later date....

What are they asking about? The momentous announcement about which they differ. They will find out. In the end they will
find out.(Surah 78:1-5)

tbaba1234: Norwegians embrace Islam on mass in Tromso! | Mission Dawah: Norway - Day 11 - iERA

22 people embraced Islam in 11 days, SubhanAllah!! People do the dawah!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_YX7lXUThU&sns=tw

LagosShia: i dont think you know it from heart.i watched those lectures years back.and i would prefer you do likewise and watch them.

you spend many hours on nairaland.so why do you hesitate to spend little time to understand what others say? besides,i am not a scholar.if you watch those lectures,you hear from the mouth of our scholar-a Shia scholar and university of Columbia professor and a new york based enterpreneur.

LagosShia: he congratulates you because the Muslim starts his belief by reciting LA ILAHA (there is no god ).and then the Muslim goes on to say ILALLAH.(except Allah).that forms the shahada (testimony of faith for Muslims).

now when you compare the story of Adam and Eve in the Holy Quran and that in the bible,your brains would open up by force even if you dont want them to open.if you do not mind,i can present to you lectures on Adam and Eve.you just need to spare about 3 hours.if you want them,i'd present them to you.

LagosShia: you're free.but just don't harm anyone.

this is a gift to you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaQGsZ78HYk

emöfine2: Lol was this before or after she met you? ...(just kidding )

LagosShia: i dont want you to do anything.and i dont ask you to do anything.

LagosShia: na wa for you o.

you asked a question and when you got the reply you talk as if you're invited as peace mediator.

maclatunji: LOL, Ladies here are much more circumspect and don't go spewing hate (ok, most of them). So you guys can continue to create your confrontational threads. They will be treated as they ought to be.

LagosShia: salafists are called "wahhabis" when they are from saudi arabia.but outside saudi,they are salafists.it is a movement within sunnism.

if they say the same about us,then they should be ready to present evidence.

as for me,i do not just say.even in this forum we have much evidence (both from their texts/words and actions) to make our case:

ACTIONS:
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia

WORDS:
https://www.nairaland.com/954767/honour-muslims-lost-lives-dana/4#11105070

https://www.nairaland.com/659269/thoughts-death-osama-bin-laden#8259061

tpia@:
boss of fellis, no doubt.

maclatunji: ^A trend is emerging with the two of you.

Cheers01: What do you think about this?
LagosShia: It is only Wahabis/Salafists that do this.

Funny but seriously the two of you you need to "move ahead".

maclatunji: ^A trend is emerging with the two of you.

Cheers01: What do you think about this?
LagosShia: It is only Wahabis/Salafists that do this.

Funny but seriously the two of you you need to "move ahead".

LagosShia: i am for freedom of speech within the limit of respect.

also,who determines what is offensive to Islam? is eating tomatoes and art offensive?i think the line separating stupidity and reasoning is very clear for everyone to see.


there are many reasons their voice is loud.i can think of the following:

1.) they blend themselves as Sunnis.and Sunnis after centuries of oppression and persecution of Shia Muslims by their caliphates in the middle east,are the majority.those belonging to the salafist movement itself within sunni islam are not up to 5%.

2.) violence.when lives and property are destroyed the effect is felt.

3.) saudi arabia.salafism known as wahhabism in saudi arabia,where the most holiest sites of Islam are.many people especially ignorant of Islam and political Islam see saudi arabia as the center of Islam.wahhabism,is the prevailing sect there and the about 25% Shia Muslims (found mainly in the holy city of Madinah and the eastern region) are oppressed.so they use this to abuse Islam and present themselves as the face of Islam.

4.) saudi money.alot of money is spent to propagate wahhabism in the guise of sunnism.they easily fool people with that in particular unsuspecting sunnis.their books are full of lies and hatred against Shia Muslims and non-muslims.they also spread violent ideas.idle sunni youths and poverty stricken fall prey for the deceitful wahhabi ideology which is extremist in nature and presents itself as "puritanical".in fact upon reasoning you see that they are extremists and what they preach has nothing to do with Islam and the Quran.such ideology appeals to youths with high adrenaline level.

Cheers01: Where is LagosShia on this topic? Maybe there is a differing opinion on this?

LagosShia: you have a problem Mr.logicboy.or rather you lack common sense.

how did you conclude that myself and tbaba represent or are represented by those going against art? and how do you conclude those muslims against art are the ones representing islam and those muslims who are for art and themselves artists are against islam? how do you even associate blashphemy and art?

it is the normal "every bad muslim represents islam" syndrome while good muslims do not,that you are displaying here.and that is wrong.

this fight against art by the salafists aka wahhabis in tunisia is no different from the other ridiculous actions taken by their salafi brothers in egypt.i myself have opened threads to oppose and expose them.take for instance "tomatoes are christian and muslims should not eat them":

https://www.nairaland.com/976055/tomatoes-christian-egyptian-salafist-group

it is sad that the majority of tunisians and egyptians being mainstream sunnis did not know the bad side of salafism aka wahhabism.they will get to know during their tenure in power after they won large in elections after the revolutions in those two countries.

tpia@:
Go easy on the frenzy abi ki lo le to yen.

fellis: Yay, the Oga hinsef is hia. Haha.
Welcome, Egbon Maclatunji.
Have a seat over there and relax while I fetch the orange juice.

Egbon Maclatunji, no mind that logicboy.
You know that if he is not busy trying to convert everybody to atheism, him body no go settle.

Martian: Hey Jesoul and Masmustquench,

Do you think it's time to change this section to [b]Religion/Philosophy[/b]Section? I say this because, the discussions are mostly philosophical even though most of the discussions revolve around two major ones and other personal ones. Even the two major ones are deeply influenced by personal philosophies.

Regular posters like Plaetton, Deepsight, Purist, Muskeeto, myself etc are not religious but have unique philosophies that tend to evolve or devolve over time.

What does thou saith?

Kay 17: ^^^
On the contrary, its the lack/absence of fairness/equity that triggers off dissatisfaction, rebellion, violence, conflicts etc. We as humans see ourselves as the same with superficial differences like skin colour.

Its a fatal error of Islam to assign social roles on the basis of biological reproductive duties, its a sign of an outdated, ancient mode of thought. Its equal to the basis for racism: skin colour.

Women think, conceived goals and ideas as much as men do, its imperfect to place them below men.

Love is universal, but its love that makes us treat our neighbours as ourselves.