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IslamRe: An Atheist's Attempt to Classify Muslim Women! by Cheers01(op): 3:36pm On Jul 16, 2012
-Also have clean floors for prayers in case she stays over at your place.
IslamAn Atheist's Attempt to Classify Muslim Women! by Cheers01(op): 12:42am On Jul 16, 2012
A kaffir's guide to muslim women (non-hijab)


Okay, since I have been rebuked here by many because of my relentless criticizing of things I dont agree with in Islam, I have decided to write a funny thread (Maclajunji willing) that all can enjoy! grin grin grin. Remember, this is for laughs.



So, I have dated 2 muslim girls and I am friends with many of them. These are muslim girls from Nigeria, UK Pakistan, UAE and other parts of Africa. I am going to explain the issues with dating muslim girls from a non-muslim perspective.

Firstly, there are two ground rules;

Rule 1;
First of all, hijab/burkah girls are off limit for Kaffir. I talk to them but I never, ever flirt with them. It takes a lot of guts to wear hijab in the UK and so, many of the hijab girls are actually devout. You cant get away with flirting with them. When I was in university, we had this marketing class we did where we discussed marketing in Islamic countries. You can not just go and ask muslim women in islamic countries "what type of underwear do you like" when doing a marketing survey unlike in the West where you will get both laughs and answers. So, my friends and I did this marketing test survey where we would ask student girls (face to face with clipboards to look as if we were seriousy working for a lingerie company) their favorite type of underwear. The hijab/niqaab/burkah girls were the ones who were more likely to ignore us. However, some of them answered, surprisingly!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/756280_Kaffir_pngb1e260d9a0eb5c1c2754c06f9d5dfa03


Rule 2;
Secondly, you must never say that you're an atheist and you must know something about islam. There is nothing more turning off for a religious lady from a guy than being an atheist. First, your stance is already an insult to Allah (denying) him and secondly, you will seem more like a capitalist infidel because atheism is the new "religion" of the West. It is easier to say that you're a christian (good, people of the book!) or you're an agnostic that is drawn to islam. You must make sure that you imprint it in her mind that you are drawn to certain islamic principles. The muslim girl will probably believe that you have a chance of converting grin.



Okay, so after the rules, here are some tips I learnt;

-Generally, find out how much "Westernized" or "devout" she is and act accordingly. Different girls have different levels. Use a scale from 1-5.

5 is the highest which means she likes to talk non-stop about the suffering of the Palestine a lot, she praises Allah every second and she is anti-capitalist.
4 is the next level which means she is still a bit devout but she uses the internet to watch islamic videos (She's a fan of Tariq Ramadan and Hamza Tzortis)
3 is the middle level which means she mixes capitalism with islam sometimes. She watches fashion shows but still prays five times a day.
2 is the lower level which means she mixes capitalism with islam always. She knows how to gyrate to hip ho music but is at the mosque on friday.
1 is the best level which means that she is a rebel, she dislikes the burkah, she is down for anything haraam but not in front of her family.

-Have some muslim friends. This will show her that you can relate to muslims and she will be able to introduce you to her "cool" muslim friends as well. In my case I was friends with a popular muslim student. Some even thought that I was muslim. Call me halal boy grin

-Find halal common ground. There will be islamic things that she likes that you will like as well. Use it to your advantage. For instance, when I was getting to know my girlfriend, we used to look at islamic fashion and also talk about Eid food. We both loved halal chicken. Also, we used to bash American imperialism together. We tag teamed and destroyed a british lawyer at a dinner discussion who was supporting the Iraq war and saying that Islam is evil. She probably fell in love with my debunking ability. grin


-Watch out for the muslim male relatives (aka the guardians). If they catch you, it is gameover. End of story. Some douchebags who are not relatives also appoint themselves as "the guardian" of the girl. You will know them by their actions- they are older guys who will tell the girl to be serious in her faith and give her islamic advice. In short, I dont know who appointed them as the girl's muezzin. angry


-Shave only a little. I got this advice from a muslim prince (not really, but a rich guy). If you leave too much beard, you will look like a radical and if you shave everything off, you're an infidel. Leave a little hair so that you will look muslim but not too much that you will look like someone that needs 4 wives and has a sword under his cloak. grin
IslamRe: Who Is Marmaduke Pickthall? by Cheers01: 11:04pm On Jul 15, 2012
Good info. The main question is that do you agree with his English translation of the Quran?
IslamRe: Is Islam A Religion Of Peace Or Violence? by Cheers01: 10:59pm On Jul 15, 2012
Even their debaters cant win on this topic. They lost the debate "is islam a religion of peace?"




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh34Xsq7D_A
IslamRe: Is Islam A Religion Of Peace Or Violence? by Cheers01: 1:23pm On Jul 15, 2012
There is very little evidence to show that Islam is a religion of peace. All monotheistic religions have had bloody and peaceful periods.



Lets look at current information from studies on peace;

According to the global peace index, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index#Global_Peace_Index_rankings)
-No muslim or sharia or islamic country in the top 10 peaceful countries in the world
-5 out of the 10 least peaceful countries in the world are islamic/muslim/sharia following.



I have more but I am willing to challenge any muslim who can show practical evidence that islam is a religion of peace
IslamRe: Is Islam Really For Poor People? by Cheers01(op): 10:38pm On Jul 14, 2012
justaqad: hehehehehehehehhehehehehehe.
Keep deluding urself.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe, i laugh at you
Cheers bro, you laugh like a drunkard

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31yBpWEdRDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
IslamRe: Crippled Man Crawls Daily To The Mosque For Past 65 Years by Cheers01: 10:22am On Jul 03, 2012
tbaba1234: When did being patient and steadfast become a bad trait? Any situation you find yourself, be patient and steadfast... I think that is the moral of the story here.
Nope. There is no moral to this story other than focusing on your life rather than having faith.
IslamRe: Crippled Man Crawls Daily To The Mosque For Past 65 Years by Cheers01: 3:43am On Jul 03, 2012
tbaba1234: I do not own my family nor my health; If Allah takes it away, I am thankful. Those who complain are those who are not grateful enough.

Allah promises in the Quran that He does not test us beyond our capacity... If Allah tests you, it is because you can handle it...

God does not burden any soul with more than it can bear: each gains whatever good it has done, and suffers its bad–...... ' (Surah 2:286)

We do not burden any soul with more than it can bear– We have a Record that tells the truth– they will not be wronged. (Surah 23:62)
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If God gives me a difficulty or a burden, then i can bear it... I just have to be patient and seek His help to remain steady.
And you would say that atheists have no morals. How can you just say that? Were the black slaves who were our forefathers that were sold and made eunuchs only a test for God? God was testing their wills to be slaves?

This is sad
IslamRe: Crippled Man Crawls Daily To The Mosque For Past 65 Years by Cheers01: 3:26am On Jul 03, 2012
tbaba1234: ^lol, you need to get out of a christian mindset when talking to muslims...

Life is not for fun and enjoyment. Everything we go through in life is a test, Everything we have is a gift, We own nothing not even our legs... We are thankful for what we have, we do not despair over what has not been given to us. How you deal with life's challenges determines where and how you will spend your afterlife..

Do people think they will be left alone after saying ‘We believe’ without being put to the test? 3We tested those who went before them: God will certainly mark out which ones are truthful and which are lying. (surah 29:2-3)


We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast, those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’These will be given blessings and mercy from their Lord, and it is they who are rightly guided. (Surah 2:155-157)


There are also some who serve God with unsteady faith: if something good comes their way, they are satisfied, but if they are tested, they revert to their old ways, losing both this world and the next– that is the clearest loss (Surah 22:11)

Abu Hurayrah (RA) reported that the Prophet (SAW) said: ” Whenever a Muslim is afflicted by harm from sickness or other matters, Allah will drop his sins because of that, like a tree drops its leaves.” [Bukharee and Muslim]
Following your logic, it wouldnt be too much for Allah to test you like he tested Job. Lose your family and get diseases all over your body. Just a test. grin
IslamRe: Boonaa Mohammed - Jesus Talks by Cheers01: 3:24am On Jul 03, 2012
tbaba1234: Lupe fiasco has retired from singing;

Boonaa does poetry not rap. He is immensely talented alhamdulilah.. check his youtube channel to see what i am talking about...
Lupe Fiasco still goes on tours
http://www.songkick.com/artists/268664-lupe-fiasco



Anyways thanks for the correction on Boonaa. I see no problem it is poetry he is doing. Not easy to sing/rap poetry. Kudos to him
IslamRe: Boonaa Mohammed - Jesus Talks by Cheers01: 2:53am On Jul 03, 2012
If you listen to rap, you'd realize that

1) This guy is doing nothing original (cough; Lupe Fiasco, Kanye West)
2) This guy's flows are not hard. Not the most lyrically blessed rapper.


Listen to Lupe Fiasco (a muslim US rapper) on Muhammad Walks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCEKFLSLyI4




Kanye West (A christian) Jesus Walks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8AyHupByuU
IslamRe: Quranic Miracle: Imamate And Numerology by Cheers01: 2:48am On Jul 03, 2012
LagosShia: how do you a fallible man know that?and why should i believe you if you're fallible?or are you claiming infallibility or in fact acting infallible? you're contradicting yourself when you try to impose your own personal/individual view not supported by any sort of divine revelation or religion on matters of belief.


this is based on Shia belief (and not based on your own religion,atheism) that 12 Imams and Sayyida Fatima (as) are infallible in addition to Prophet Muhammad (sa0 who is mentioned by name in the Holy Quran.



it is special because in one of the most important hadiths of the Shia Muslims,and also recorded in Sunni sources,the "people of the cloak" refer to 5 individuals.and the word "cloak" appears five times in the Quran.
Stop arguing for arguing sake. If you want to spread islam, spread it with what is in the quran. I dont remember Muhammad usingumerology to explain the word of Allah. Numerology does not sell with unbelievers (especially those who studied statistics or maths)


grin I should be an imam. grin grin
IslamRe: A Sticker For Every Muslim by Cheers01: 2:43am On Jul 03, 2012
deols: why do u care about what a xtian wants? if he's talkn of d sticker, I'd like to know more about it. What problem might u av wv dat, Cheers.
The logic behind my comment is veiled but should be understood by rational minds
IslamRe: Crippled Man Crawls Daily To The Mosque For Past 65 Years by Cheers01: 2:42am On Jul 03, 2012
Yet, Allah did not cure him.


Food for thought
IslamRe: Islam And Marketing by Cheers01(op): 2:41am On Jul 03, 2012
Van persie has never been a muslim. His wife is muslim.


As for you backpedaling on your own words. please explain how Huma Abedin should repent, divorce? Is hat your solution?
IslamRe: Quranic Miracle: Imamate And Numerology by Cheers01: 8:31pm On Jul 02, 2012
LagosShia: when i opened this thread i presented the chapters and verses where certain words can be found for all to verify.

if you have doubt,it is your duty to clear your doubt.go ahead and research.and if you find any inconsistency,you can present it against me.
What?

You only provided proof for Imam, Kisa and Infallible.

1) 12 imams are not infallible- no human is infallible. Christians tried that with the pope and failed
2) 13 times infallible mention but only 12 imams mentioned. Adding Fatima is just stretching the truth to meet a miracle
3) Nothing special about a cloak
IslamRe: Islam And Marketing by Cheers01(op): 8:24pm On Jul 02, 2012
LagosShia: so because whoever this lady is has gone against the norm and teachings of Islam,you want the religion to adopt her own personal views? Islamic teachings are not based on what we desire,do or say.they are based on what Allah (swt) revealed in the Holy Quran.if you do contrary to those teachings,you can still be a Muslim,but it doesn't make what you have done the right thing.you are on your own and should seek forgiveness and repent and keep begging God to have mercy on you.that by no means would make the religion and the entire body of Muslims adapt to those views.
There are many muslims women int the westthat get married to non-muslims. Who are you to say that someone is not muslim because of marriage? Do you think that she is the only one? Ignorance.


Who are you to decide who is muslim or not? Are there not people that would claim that you as a Shia muslim are a heretic? If that is not enough, I havent met one muslim that would say that Osama is not a muslim. Osama is a muslim but a bad one. So who are you to judge millions of Western muslims who choose not to be held back some rules?

Here is another muslim woman that married a non-muslim;


Van persie and his wife;

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/13/article-2143713-1310E0A4000005DC-148_468x286.jpg
IslamRe: Islam And Marketing by Cheers01(op): 12:57pm On Jul 02, 2012
IslamRe: How Do You React When A Non-muslim Criticizes Muhammad? by Cheers01(op): 12:49pm On Jul 02, 2012
vedaxcool: Wow! You can't blame me if heretic khomini reverted the age of marriage to 9 years for girls:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%27s_Family_Protection_Law

The truth is always bitter most especially if one finds his master like heretic khomini doing what he seriously revulsed lols and lmaos seems appropriate here grin grin grin grin grin
Vedaxcool the Shia tormonetor!
IslamRe: Quranic Miracle: Imamate And Numerology by Cheers01: 12:48pm On Jul 02, 2012
LagosShia: regardless of what a word means in any context,it appearance as a word is what counts in this our own context (numerology).we are not looking into meanings but count.it would do you better to take in regard the context when you talk about "wife beating" and when your likes attempt to twist Quranic words and their meanings.
Look, at the end of the day, these Quranic miracles remain unproven, unless the verses that these words are mentioned are cite for everyone to count. Basic commonsense
IslamIslam And Marketing by Cheers01(op): 12:16pm On Jul 02, 2012
So, I created a thread for talking about a reformed Islam which I called "logicalist Islam". This reformed islam was a bout a very liberal islam. However, that thread was swiftly deleted without notification by Maclatunji (AKA BIG MAC). This is the reason he gave;


maclatunji: ^By the hands of this moderator. This is a place for Islam and Muslims not your personally contrived religion. Do not try to argue because this thread is not meant for that.
However, Maclatunji seems to be quite misunderstanding something. It doesnt matter whether I call it "logicalist islam" the fact remains that millions of muslims in the west follow this kind of liberal islam that I was talking about. I was only giving the liberal islam a name.





It seems Maclatunji is indirectly saying that Huma Abedin (Muslim woman married to a Jewish American Senator) is not muslim or Lupe Fiasco (American rapper) is not a muslim. Does he define who is muslim or not?



Lupe Fiasco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSIkgRLdWYQ

https://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/lupefiasco083111.jpg



Huma Abedin (Wife of Senator Weiner and ex-worker for Hilary Clinton)
[img]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.466360!/img/httpImage/image.jpg[/img]
https://www.shoebat.com/documents/secretConnections_files/Huma-Abedin.jpg

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Maybe the marketing of the thread did not pander enough. Would the thread have been banned if I titled it "the liberal views of Western Muslims"?[/size]
IslamRe: Lodge Your Complaints Here by Cheers01: 11:52am On Jul 02, 2012
maclatunji: You are free to hold your thoughts, I moderate posts here. So, you and your "millions" are on your own.
Thoughts or Facts? Fact that millions of muslims in the UK and America are liberal is now only a "thought"?

This is good. Thanks for showing your true colours. You live in fear that some criticism of Islam would stick. However, I was not criticizing islam.


You lose. grin grin
IslamRe: Lodge Your Complaints Here by Cheers01: 11:33am On Jul 02, 2012
maclatunji: ^By the hands of this moderator. This is a place for Islam and Muslims not your personally contrived religion. Do not try to argue because this thread is not meant for that.
Wow, if only you knew the consequence of what you are saying.

The "contrived religion" that you banned is the type of islam that millions of muslims in the West follow. I even gave an example of an American senator's wife; Huma Abedin.


Millions of American muslims are liberal and pro-gay rights. Just because I call it "logicalist Islam" does not change the fact that millions of muslims agree and follow the same views that I have for a reformed Islam.



This is good. I keep pwning MACdaddy everytime.
IslamRe: Lodge Your Complaints Here by Cheers01: 10:15am On Jul 02, 2012
Cheers01: How did my topic on logicalist islam disappear?
smiley
IslamRe: Islam In Pictures by Cheers01: 10:14am On Jul 02, 2012
While I applaud your efforts in putting islam in pictures, there remains a problem;

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Where are the pictures of Lagos/Nigeria? Do yo remember the punishment for treason that you told me?[/size]
IslamRe: Quranic Miracle: Imamate And Numerology by Cheers01: 10:10am On Jul 02, 2012
LagosShia: my friend,this thread was created with the obvious reason to engage Sunnis especially the ones who have being talking numerology.



the "satanic verses" is put to rest and a myth.

differnt numbering,like arranging the Quran chapters in the order of revelation and not recitation does not at all affect numerology and the number of times words are repeated and their significance.
Satanic verses is not a myth.


The Satanic Verses incident is reported in the tafsir and the sira-maghazi literature dating from the first two centuries of Islam, and is reported in the respective tafsīr corpuses transmitted from almost every Qur'anic commentator of note in the first two centuries of the hijra. It seems to have constituted a standard element in the memory of the early Muslim community about the life of Muhammad.[2] The earliest biography of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq (761-767) is lost but his collection of traditions survives mainly in two sources: Ibn Hisham (833) and al-Tabari (915). The story appears in al-Tabari, who includes Ibn Ishaq in the chain of transmission, but not in Ibn Hisham. Ibn Sa'd and Al-Waqidi, two other early biographers of Muhammad relate the story.[5] Scholars such as Uri Rubin and Shahab Ahmed and Guillaume hold that the report was in Ibn Ishaq, while Alford T. Welch holds the report has not been presumably present in the Ibn Ishaq.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses#In_early_Islam
Different numberings and different translations render yor numerology invalid. The number of times a word appears can also be irrelevant as in Arabic, words can mean different things in different situations. Thanks to Hamza Tzortis and the wife beating quote in the Quran, I lerntthat.
IslamRe: Lodge Your Complaints Here by Cheers01: 10:16am On Jul 01, 2012
Cheers01: How did my topic on logicalist islam disappear?
IslamRe: Quranic Miracle: Imamate And Numerology by Cheers01: 10:15am On Jul 01, 2012
LagosShia: how many "versions" have you heard of and seen? ive told you there are no versions as there are bible versions.there are Quran translations and not versions.



you can do that yourself.no one is stopping you.and please do not derail my thread.from the beginning this thread isn't meant for non-muslims.so appreciate the tolerance shown to you.
I am not derailing the thread if I am talking about the subject matter- Quran and numerology. Furthermore, dont you feel ashamed when you can out-rightly say that tolerance is something I should "appreciate" as if tolerance is special and should not be a normal thing in life. You never indicated that the thread was for muslims alone. Furthermore, in the original post you even talked about hyporcites (doubters). I am a doubter.




Quranic versions;
-Quran without satanic verses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
-Quran with different numbering http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/numbers.html
IslamRe: Norwegians Embrace Islam On Mass In Tromso! Mission Dawah: Norway - Day 11-iera by Cheers01: 12:59am On Jul 01, 2012
Cheers01: Tbaba, if you consider the big band and evolution, God looks a bit insane and slow. A guy that can snap everything into existence, will create a big bang which creates stars and planets over a billion years then waits for another billion years for humans to evolve. It would be like filling a well drop by drop that would take months instead of using a pipe/irrigation that will fill it inless than 5 hours.
Any rational person can see what I clearly said. I did not insult God, I explained the consequences of saying that God did the big bang.


This is how they falsely accuse innocent people of blasphemy and then banishment and execution come after
IslamRe: Quranic Miracle: Imamate And Numerology by Cheers01: 12:55am On Jul 01, 2012
LagosShia: please see picture attached below.
Lol.....which version of the Quran did they use?

Also, unless the put the verses in which the words are mentioned so that we can check and count, I remain skeptical of these claims. Christianity has tried numerology years before islam.
IslamRe: Norwegians Embrace Islam On Mass In Tromso! Mission Dawah: Norway - Day 11-iera by Cheers01: 12:50am On Jul 01, 2012
tbaba1234: When you talk to me, do not insult God... discussion over!
You insulted you own God, not me. I was just explaining what you said. If God created the world through big bang,.....................a lot of time was wasted- billions of years before humans/earth showed up.

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