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PabloAfricanus:
Sorry but do you ever have an opinion of your own?
I appreciate your wanting to contribute but do so intelligently.
I could be completely wrong in all the points I raised and I am very aware of that.
But I notice you are either cheer leading or side quoting and never for ONCE contributing any original thought, opinion, narrative or perspective to any Igbo themed thread.
Can we hear your own narrative? We are all here to learn you know.

Cire80:
Name of God in Ika is Oselobue but some people say chuku. Chuku from all indication is more recent and mostly used by the younger generation. But there is no Chi at all. Ika believe in Ehi as a personal God. and there's a history surrounding it.

PabloAfricanus:
Actually its the other way round.
You Ika/Anioma folks are sooooo persistent in your ignorance.
Its like a grand display of selective amnesia carried to ridiculous heights.
On one hand, you are descended from Bini "princes" and the "Bini empire", never mind that Bini just being a next door neighbour
should historically have made Ikas a colony, settlement or vassal of Bini but that was never historically the case.
On the other hand you have nothing in common with the people you love to call call Igbos or is it Igbon...
But the reality on ground presents undeniable facts that you guys persist to ignore or outrightly deny!
Is it a case of self hatred or inferiority complex? Have you forgotten public records of precolonial history by the British still exist?
Lemme give you examples of how Ikas/Aniomas persist in their ignorance.

For one, the Eze Chima story and lineages...
How some people's imagination came up with the attribution of a Bini prince who have no contact or nothing in common with kingless
and leaderless Igbos bearing an undiluted Igbo name...is simply amazing.
How you completely disregard his obvious Igbo name and the fact that the lineages attributed to him are ALL Igbo speaking communities and call each other "umu eze chima" is also amazing!
What happened to princely Bini names? Mind you by your own admission, the "Igbos" only started immigrating into Ika lands recently.
Even more telling is your admission that all your Ika clans were directly founded and peopled by "Bini princes".
So by your own admission, Igbos if at all found anywhere near Ika lands have always been an inconsequential minority.
So who were the powerful Igbos that changed Eze Chima's name from whatever Bini name he was bearing?
Do not bother with the Khime line cos even you guys know it is a fabrication.
And not only that, completely wiped out Bini language, tradition and culture from your midst...leaving you with clearly Bini styled monarchies?
Even then, not all Ika clans had kings, most of them were formed quite recently as records show.
So then, where did these conquering Igbos come from? And why are you guys speaking an Igbo dialect?

Next, are you not aware the most of all the paraphernalia of monarchy in ALL Anioma clans is borrowed from Bini?
Meaning, it was not native to the Anioma clans?
Keep in mind that Bini is just next door, you do not have to cross any foreign land or territory to enter Bini proper.
All clans, communities and parts of the Bini empire were appointed Enogies by the Oba and are ALL BINI speaking.
Your Onishes, Ologbosheres, Iyasheres etc are all corrupted version of the Bini originals...right next door to you.
From Oguta to Onicha to Agbor...these titles have no meanings in the Ika/Enuani,Ukwuani language you speak.
The only meaning is in the Edo tongue and we all know that.
So a corruption could not have happened if Ika was a part and parcel of the Bini empire.
The Ishans and all Edo dukedoms retained the original names, meanwhile a few miles down south, an Igbo speaking
peoples with Igbo days, practicing Igbo traditions adopted these Bini trappings of monarchy.
If it was not adopted, how do you explain a so called king bearing an Igbo name Nduka Ezeagwuna going to seek relevance or is it
permission to ascend the throne of his fathers? What happened to his Edo lineage or proper Edo name?
Are you not aware of the forceful imposition of Bini tongue on Ika speaking Igbanke people carved into Edo state?
How they are told to drop their...wait for it...Igbo names and language and speak Edo as they are in Edo state?
Are you not aware the Agbor and other Ika clans resisted Bini imperialism and fought wars to block Bini incursion into Ika lands?
If that is not enough evidence to show you that Ika was just influenced socio-culturally and politically by her more powerful neighbor,
then I guess you have a problem with facts.

Finally, the reoccurring decimal in all these claims and counter claims is deliberate display of ignorance on how language and kinship works.
Igbos till date have no kingdoms, armies or royal courts. It was purely made up of autonomous communities run on republican principles.
How did they penetrate and change your language and culture?
And no, your culture is majorly Igbo not Bini as some of you love to claim.
Whatever Bini festival or culture practiced in Ika can be shown to borrowed or adopted.
On one hand, Igbos were nonexistent in Ika lands and were recent migrants...on the other hand Ika language and traditions gave way
to a dominant Igbo presence/culture in Ika land! Make up your minds already!
The persistent confusion is so hilarious!

Summary, you have a SERIOUS IDENTITY CRISIS.From all indications, it is self imposed.
I wont even bother to remind you what transpired 1966-1970. How your Bini kith and kin connived with the Nigerian government to shield and protect you from the greedy and invading Igbo Biafrans. Or how Igbo army officers from the SE like Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna carried out a coup and roped in Anioma Bini people with Igbo sounding names like Onwuatuegwu, Anuforo etc.
For some reason, the Nigerian Army could not differentiate between the SE Igbos and descendants of Bini "princes" in Anioma.
Never mind that over 80% of your surnames are Edo...or is it Igbo?
Even with all your Ologbosheres, Onishes, Iyases and your adas and Bini beads and crowns...they just matched into Asaba after getting directions
from the Oba and invited grown men from Asaba and environs for a grand Nigerian rescue party.
Or was it genocide now? Remind me please? Did the Oba protest the killing of his kith and kin? Or his Enogies?
Na wa for the Nigerian Army, they must be so persistent in their ignorance. Right?

You and your people will have to start with telling yourselves the FACTS you have buried under the persistent ignorant stories you have passed
on to your children.

My 2 cents.

kjhova:
Your points are reasonable but still no guarantees for superpowerhood. Turkey, Argentina & Mexico fit roughly with your points yet they are not even regional powers. While Singapore and New Zealand, who were mostly disadvantaged by your points, have faired better economically and have more influence in their region in comparison.

Secondly, you drew your conclusions on the Biafra of 1967-70 which is surely going to be different from the Biafra of the 2000s. We cannot sit comfortably by our keyboard and assume that a future Biafra will have Eket, Onne or Port Harcourt within ts borders. Without these, that nation will be landlocked, insufficient in energy/food and overpopulated.

If this is the case, the required part to greatness will be very different from the opportunities of the 70s. Not saying no chance, just saying different.

kjhova:
you are kuku right on that point. Many African nations were polyglots at independence with strange bedfellows.

However, a few countries were different in that they had same race, ethnicity and religion yet still fell apart. Somalia is the number one example. Followed by Lesotho, Swaziland, Gambia and a few who were essentially same stock or of very reasonable similarities.

Like I said before, Biafra may have potentials but that is never a guarantee. You never know your differences until you are rid of your common enemies.

victorvezx:
What do the south east and south south have in common? Even the Igbo are not even one, talk less of the hundreds of tribes in the south south. It will be another version of Nigeria, because there is no place in history where the 2 region have ever United or share the same ideology

vanbonattel:
Biafra

A country which promises to be a collection of progressive elites and where meritocracy rules. A country with a people who shares same ideals and aspirations.

divicode:
Come to think of it, if you are courageous as you claim, why must you change your name ? Why did you need to instruct the hoteliers you are not there when you ar busy banging an olosho?

omolami:
The bleeding by the north is for the north alone. To fiakwa

solbil:
my dear, the IPOB attitude is getting annoying already! Like i said: Benue like every other state in Nigeria is for all Nigerians to go and live and have families and even claim, have the right to vote elected officials of the state and LG and also have the right to be voted for. It is just the deliberate falsification of history and demographics that i just do not like, i mean, what is that for!

Igbos are welcome to come and live, work and do what ever they feel like, but why falsify history and original demographics?

The Idoma people are a distinct people, pure and simple! They have SOME similarities with Igbo, but that doesn't mean a thing further than the two people being neighbours! Igbos are not the only ones with whom the Idoma share words and names, are they? The Idoma also share words and names with the Hausa people too! If you people insist on claiming Idoma, what then do you want the Igala to do? I bet you don't know the two of them Idoma and Igala are almost like Brothers!

You guys should stop that attitude of yours, falsifying history everywhere. You tried it with the Yoruba, and now Idoma. Calm down!

And as for the class mates, that was way back in sec school.

iSlayer:


RABID

solbil:
[s]YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LIAR THERE IS!

all those LGs you mentioned are 100percent occupied by Idoma people of different accent! The only part you may talk about is Ado and those people are Utonkon, THEY ARE NOT IGBO GET IT!!!
When i was in school, i had some of them as friends and i would ask them: "are you igbo?" and they would tell you no! They would tell you they are Utonkon. If you, an Igbo man hears their language, you will not be able to understand a single word they speak, fact!

Before you claim Utonkon, pls claim Ezaa people in Ebonyi first, a people who would not even accept it that they are Igbo[/s]!

KidsNEXTdoor:
Very soon u go make sense
Till then

ariesbull:
But ala means land in Igbo and not what you said in igalla

Olumbanasa is purely an Igbo term meaning voice of the seven towns or villages


So how come the igalla tarred naming their towns Igbo name and forgetting igalla names


Was they bitten by Igbo bug

Ngozi123:


Lmao. Ikechu1 was right about you. Please, nobody take this poster seriously. LMAO.

blues20:
Some jacks, with hyper-maniac Igbophobic traits will be posting useless and stupid memes. See them.

onexile:
Okay! We have heard, but Buhari has an ear problem. He doesn't hear the sound of a bomb!

Ugomba:
u de fall hands o, dats an afonja hiding wit an igbo name. i can smell his ewedu body odour here.

Cire80:
You lack sense. The Obi of Ukwani from Anioma LGA was written by one of your Igbo concoctionists but we easily caught him because the so called interviewee doesn't exist.

Cire80:
You just don't know about the politics of Delta State. I can't explain this to you. If an Urhobo person is in charge of updating that website, then he didn't even write much. Urhobo wants to make us strangers in our own State by all means because we were not originally supposed to be part of Delta State but we ended up having the capital against Warri.

ariesbull:
The guy has lost it all

Cire80:
Onitsha just like all other Anioma Kingdoms use Dei. Dei is of Agbor origin and there is a history behind it. It means royal family and the Kings household/quarter. Just like Agbor has Mmudein and Owa has Omudein, Onitsha people have Omudei quarters. What does the Owerri/Aba dee or dee dee means. Or the other versions of di anyi

ariesbull:
Odiegwu really

ehikwe22:
of course the interview is as fake as fake could be. There are many fake interviews flying online including one that was granted by the OBI OF UKWANI IN ANIOMA LOCAL GOVERNMENT. According to the concocters. This interview spread like wild fire here on Nairaland and you people believed your lies

ehikwe22:
the interview was concocted from the bedroom of IPOB, The chief propaganda unit of NDIGBO