₦airaland Forum

Cire80:
All Anioma dialects are understood by Anioma. It's funny you're asking someone who doesn't know shit about Anioma to explain this to you. Igbanke is not the only Ika speaking community in Edo. There are lots of Anioma communities in Edo but some of them are bilingual. From Ekpon to Ughomose, Igbogiri, Abudu, Owa RI Uzor, ogan, Iru speak Ika language. Even farther Down deep inside Edo, Ika is spoken as a second language. If you include Ika speakers in Edo State, Enuani speakers are not more than us.

Guy...is that not the HQ of orhiomwon LG Or are you now trying to claim orhiomwon as Ali Ika?

Ngozi123:
Where is Ikechu1 when you need him? If that is the case then why is Enuani the dominant dialect in the region?

He's correct on that premise...we're all called ika Igbos before and during the war. After the war,the name gradually came to be used on the clans inhabiting the Western parts of Anioma. Here's a 1931 map of the tribes in Igboland backing that up....thats why we laugh to scorn those of them who woke up after the war to claim they're now Bini

lollypeezle:
STATE OF THE NATION*

I have been following closely the activities of this government and whenever I have the opportunity, I try to find out the opinions of people as regards the performance of this government.

 

I just realized that the hardship faced by many Nigerians is simply as a result of the fact that almost everyone of us benefited from the cycle of corruption.

 

The bricklayer, plumber, laborers, tiler are all complaining because building construction has slowed down massively cause the thieves no longer have money to spend on real estate.

 

The car dealers are grumbling because their cars are begging for buyers. Thieves can no longer spend wastefully.

 

The private school owners are shouting because parents can no longer pay outrageous sums and are withdrawing their wards.

 

I was shocked when I learn that in a popular private University in Abuja, parents are writing undertaking at the account section for their children to be allowed to write exams... and it goes on and on.

 

The fact is, a lot of people are returning to what someone referred to as ''default mode''.

We mostly have been living above our REAL MEANS.

We have been staying in houses that ordinarily our incomes can't afford.

Our children going to schools we can't afford. Driving cars we ordinarily can't maintain.

We have been living a FAKE LIFE all along. Now the reality is before us and we don't want to accept it.

This shows how morally bankrupt we are.

 

You can't eat your Cake and have it. Take Note..."GOD HELP AND BLESS NIGERIA"

You got billions from bank without collateral using your political influence. You put half into your business and spent the other half on exotic cars, jeweleries, etc.

 

Your business employs 100 people normally. You get illegal waivers and concessions to import raw materials at rock bottom prices, you get over-inflated contract to supply government some goods your company produce....in short your company is kept afloat by corruption.

 

Now the new SHERIFF in town says:

no more ridiculous waivers, 
no more inflated contracts, no more bank loans without collateral, in fact its time you or your company pay off the billions of debt owed.....

 

AMCON takes over your company, staff are laid off......And you go on air and say the new sheriff is killing business and causing unemployment..

 

The truth is....you and your company were never in business, you were only feeding off the system.

Too many companies and banks are funded by corruption. Remove corruption from the system and they collapse.......and we end up blaming the person that removes corruption for the collapse of the corruptly run fake company.

 

Its like our system and corruption are so interwoven and inseparable that removing one will kill the other.

Maybe we should tolerate and learn to live with corruption so that Nigeria can survive?

 

Recession: What recession? If you think Nigeria is broke, then you are living in another planet. Now, please read the information below and tell me why Nigerians crying of hardship are comfortable with the bold looting of their collective wealth by the politicians.

 

A SELF DECEIVING COUNTRY CALLED NIGERIA

Twenty-one senators currently receiving pensions from government as ex-governors and deputy governors.

 

The current senators who once served as governors are Bukola Saraki of Kwara, Rabiu Musa Kwankwaso of Kano, Kabiru Gaya of Kano, Godswill Akpabio of Akwa Ibom, Theodore Orji of Abia, Abdullahi Adamu of Nasarawa, Sam Egwu of Ebonyi, Shaaba Lafiagi of Kwara, Joshua Dariye of Plateau Jonah Jang of Plateau, Aliyu Magatakarda Wamakko of Sokoto, Ahmed Sani Yarima of Zamfara, Danjuma Goje of Gombe, Bukar Abba Ibrahim of Yobe, Adamu Aliero of Kebbi, George Akume of Benue and Isiaka Adeleke of Osun.

 

The former deputy governors in the Senate are Ms Biodun Olujimi of Ekiti and Enyinaya Harcourt Abaribe of Abia. Danladi Abubakar Sani served as the acting governor of Taraba state.

 

Many former governors are also in Buhari's Cabinet as Ministers. This includes: Ngige, Fayemi, Amaechi and Fashola (SAN).).

 

In Akwa Ibom State, the law provides that ex governors and deputy governors receive pension equivalent to the salaries of the incumbent. The package also includes a new official car and a utility vehicle every four years; one personal aide; a cook, chauffeurs and security guards for the governor at a sum not exceeding N5 million per month and N2.5 million for his deputy governor.

 

In Rivers, the law provides 100 percent of annual basic salaries for the ex-governor and deputy, one residential house for the former governor “anywhere of his choice in Nigeria”; one residential house anywhere in Rivers for the deputy, three cars for the ex-governor every four years and two cars for the deputy every four years.

 

It is alledged that in Lagos, a former governor will get two houses, one in Lagos and another in Abuja, estimated at N500 million in Lagos and N700 million in Abuja. He also receives six new cars to be replaced every three years; a furniture allowance of 300 percent of annual salary to be paid every two years, and a N30 million pension annually for life.

 

This is the reality for all the 21 ex govenors and deputy governors who are currently serving as senators. This same is also true of ex governors who are now serving as Ministers.

 

NOW I ASK: 
How many years did these guys serve their states as governors and deputy governors? Is it more than 8years? Is that a reason to be entitled to pensions for life? Even if they are entitled to pension for life, must it be so outrageous?

 

As if that is not enough: HOW on earth can any public servant with conscience collect salaries and allowances as a senator or minister, and still have the audacity to claim pensions equivalent to the salaries of a serving governor in Nigeria?

 

IT ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE......

Once you are elected a senator or appointed a minister, you must forfeit any pension accruing to you from government at any level until you vacate office. This should also apply to senators collecting military pensions like former Senate President David Mark.

 

Yet these senators are in the Senate that is inviting the current finance minister to discuss the recession of Nigeria's economy. A senator pockets approximately 30 million naira monthly as salary and allowances. Our "honourables" are not interested to make laws that could restructure our country into economically autonomous federating States/Regions to save the country from sectional agitations that is threatening to destroy Nigeria. The sad and hopeless situation is that the rest of Nigerians are busy arguing based on party, ethnic and affiliations while these enemies of state continue to rape us.

 

Do you know that it costs tax payers 290m Naira yearly to maintain each member of our National Assembly in a country where nothing works & 80% of population earn below 300 Naira a day ? A working day earning of a senator is more than a yearly income of a doctor; it's more than the salary of 42 Army generals or 48 professors or 70 commissioners of police or more than twice the pay of the US President or 9 times the salary of US congressmen.

 

It's high time the country had a referendum on those outrageous salaries of Senators, House of Representative members and other political office holder.

How much is your pay per post?

Ngozi123:
I see that our resident Igbo stalker has appeared... I was wondering what took him so long .

Ohhh
I no nātu anya ya Nwoko ahu anaghi edisappointi ma oli

Omoluabi16:
If you can't comprehend my response then that's unfortunate,On your part of course. Peace.

instead of replying him,you're beating about the bush
The way you Yoruba pokenose into Igbo affairs is nauseating

shizzy7:
They will forever be your obsession ....

My obsession or your obsession
That's why I say Yoruba people should remove their eyes from Igbo affairs... The pokenosing is becoming very nauseating

catal:
Asking for a separate existence now means hateful according to the op. Maybe igbos are beginning to match the resentment shown towards them, and now pple like the op are complaning.

I ji ya

My happiness is that our people have woken up to reality and that reality is that no ethnicity in Nigeria wishes the Igbo well. They hate us from the very depths of our soul and won't hesitate to severely deal with us in whatever way they can as can be seen from the pogroms in the North against Igbos that has been going on since 1945 and the economic sabotage being carried out on us by the West.
Like Rabbi Hillel asked,"o buru nam nonyeghuru onwem,onye gānonyerem? "

But I know this rubbish would end someday

martha89:
We too don't give a damn about those who don't give damn about us.

Correct babe

martha89:
Ekpon is mixed with Esan and there is nothing like igbonization maybe in Delta.

Nne I know you're Ishan and to be frank...the Great Igbo Nation doesn't give a damn about your lots!
Lemme ask you... Do you know what "Igbonization" is

This is what happens when a people subconsciously change their language and mannerisms to an Igbo one. From what I read somewhere like three to four months ago, I read that Ekpon used to be an Ishan language area but have now switched to the ika Igbo dialect. And now the phenomena is slowly spreading across Ishanland. I don't know how long it'd take...maybe a century or half a century, but we'd get there definitely

chrisooblog:
I will say what I want to say about anyone or any group of people I don't need your permission if it's a lie or not that is your business

Yoruba as always
Lying about others to look good

chrisooblog:
Mr defender of Igbo story land iPod is progressing is not progressing that is your business face your front

Thanks
So keep to your lane and stop mentioning Igbo here and telling lies on our heads just to look good before these East Africans

chrisooblog:
Which hole do you guys crawl out of for the last time spare me all your political bull crap tell your leaders to do the Constitutional needful instead of wasting your lives as internet trolls

We've told you... Leave the Igbo to tell their stories themselves, no wonder IPOB is gaining ground in Igboland bkos foreigners like you can't give it a rest...always trying to show Igbo in bad light to the world.
You're not our spokesperson, if we need your services, we know where to find you

chrisooblog:
Listen spare me all this your bs I have no interest in your Biafra political talk face your lane don't ever mention me again

Also face your lane and stop discussing about Igbos here kos all you're doing is just tell lies!!

ianSweet:
You are not the elected speaker of igbo land nor are you a sole custodian of igbo affairs nor a member of representative of any part of igbo land.
Speak for Ipob alone if u must. Jeeez. No wonder the Ipobs are never taken serious.

We don't remember making you a non Igbo as our spokesperson just like he said stay off Igbo affairs!!!

vicenzo:
You are not serious. Just stay off Igbo issues.
Focus on your failed nation. Leave Ndiigbo alone.

Stop mis representing us before the world.

Ndiigbo of this century will not allow such mis representations go uncorrected and the carrier of such mis representations and image assassination put in an uncomfortable situation.

She looks like these girls that talk a lot
And from my experience such girls are bloody liars

Ihuruoha is the real name of the ikwerre...I think we should stop calling them ikwerre and start calling them IHURUOHA or even shorten it to IhuOha
Dee Hopeathand what do you think?

vicenzo:
Nawao!
Nnaa, take it easy o! There is no need for these acts of provocation towards Binis/ Ishans.

These Yoruba guys are setting you up against the Edos, puting you up on collision course with them, and you are buying it hook, line and sinker.
All this type your post would elicit from the Edos towards the Igbo is more Igbophobia, and that's what these Yorubas are counting on.

You don't build bridges with such posts as yours.
in as much as Ndiigbo want to rid western Igboland of all Edo influence that was planted there centuries ago, we have no interest in Igbonizing the Edos, as the Edos have an ancestral obligation to preserve their own heritage.

Yes I believe in live and let live and that's has been our motto for thousands of years but these Bini guys do piss me off at times bkos they got guns from the Portuguese(Potoki in Igbo), they used that in terrorizing our fathers. Go all over Anioma, each clan has tales of atrocities committed by Idu. Things later evened out after we defeated them in the Ubulu war and since then things have been balanced out. Now they're back trying to claim Anioma as Bini land bkos it was part of their infamous empire
Anyway am cool with them for now...but I'd greatly appreciate it if they don't bring their Bini ish near any part of Anioma.

Cire80:
This has been the mission of the Igbos and they're already succeeding in Anioma and other minority groups around them. You people use your population to achieve this evil. Sometimes I wonder if what is happening to the Igbos is as a result of how they treat the minority groups around them. This may be karma catching up with you people.

Anioma has always been Igbo so I don't see that as an achievement
We used population during the slave trade era but now,we'd use it in combination with another method that ensures that your Edo people adopt Igbo mannerisms,culture and language subconsciously. Maybe the only place that may still be speaking Bini in Idu would be the palace. It has already happened in Ekpon and is spreading across the rest of ishanland.

YourNemesis:
Chaaaiii..... Where are my Benin and Edo people? See una lives outside..
I agree with you ultimately.
The Benins shot themselves in the foot.

Initially they wanted to have the midwest to themselves and rule over it as supremes, and having some sort of pseudo empire, where Benin city would be Alpha, thinking that we were still in the age of empires.
By the time everyone is done. Benin might end up being just Oredo, Egor and Ikpoba Okha.
And god help them by then.

Moreover I've a very bold plan that I want to set in motion by 2020. This plan would see the complete Igbonization of Idu by 2100. Moreover the Igbo I'd use isn't that spoken by the Ika but the one spoken by the Isiama people. Just like the khitan, Bini people would only exist in folklore

YourNemesis:
The binis were mumus for allowing Igbos claim a huge chunk of their territory.
They said they wanted to leave western region to leave Yoruba domination only to loose a huge chunk of their birthright to Igbos.
Even the Urhobos and Isokos are gone... so funny.

You're one funny hell of a rascal
Anyway the Bini marginalized us in the then bendel state.. Forgetting that it was bkos of us that our kinsmen across the river initiated the process that led to the creation of Midwest from Western region in 1963. That's why when the opportunity came in 1991 to leave,we didn't bat an eyelid the next step is to ensure that all of Ali Ika still remaining in Edo state(ie Igbanke) is retrieved into Anioma.
We'd cut the Bini to their right size and consign them to the dustbin of history where they truly belong

Ngozi123:
No thank you. Btw, one of the people that keeps replying you is an avid Igbo hater. I advise all Igbo posters to ignore him, maybe he'll leave us alone.

Hammer
Ge nti ihnye ngozi nēkwu...
Concerning the bold,I don't think it'd be possible for him..any day he doesn't jump into an Igbo thread, I've this feeling that he feels empty
N'ezie,m nēmetere ya ebere

Cire80:
where did you get it that an Nri priest lived at Agbor? Even as biased as Iduwe's book is, there was no where he mentioned Nri when you was talking about Igweh. Same Iduwe wrote that Eken, Orie, Afor and Nkwor are of Agbor origin and not Nri. You see the kind of book you people advise someone that wants to learn correct history to read?

Shei its biased bkos it doesnt feed your "Bini" ego isn't it anyways I'd always go for something written by an Ika chief and endorsed by the Dein over whatever that comes outta your mouth

Cire80:
you are very contradictory. In one of your posts you said Agburu is the word for lineage in Igbo but Agbor in Anioma and the other post you said Agbo is lineage all over Igbo land as against the Binis Agbon. Do you even know what you're talking about?

Reread my post again....I said the terminology depends on your cultural zone in Igboland
The whole Western cultural zone of Igboland use Agbo for lineage

[quote author=YourNemesis post=52595452]1:

The so called 4 market days might have similar names, but no one has been exactly able to pinpoint its origin.

Quite a poor mischievious rebuttal ...Idu had it, Igala had it, Igboland had it, Idoma from what I've also read has it too. And only the Igbo has an account on how the stuffs came about, the others don't yet you say its not Igbo.
2:

Igue festival in Benin has a different purpose. It is to celebrate the 'head" and to revitalize the essence of the Oba and the Benin kingdom

Bro we're still saying the same thing...the obas were through izoduwa descendants of the ogisos(sky kings) so I wonder where you're perambulating again kwa
3:

New Yam festivals can be found in all communities that grow Yams substantially

You can do better than this submission na...are you saying that the northerners that grew groundnuts in excess had a groundnut festival Or the slaveholders in the Confederate states held a cotton festival bkos they grew cotton in excess?
4

Igalas and Binis had their OWN priestly castes (Do you even have any idea how organized and complex Western kingdoms were?). like I said, Nri priests only exerted influence over the northern portion of igboland, not even all of it.

Said who?? Its recorded that Nri priests did all stuff and you're here claiming their own priestly caste as if you were there. Nri influence ceased in 1911 when the Brits seized the ofo the Eze Nri used to exercise his authority

5:

ultimately even if some of your points are true, the relationship between Yoruboid-Edoid and Igboid is like 80% of the time coming from our direction into yours.
Not a bad thing though, it is only a sign of superior culture

Actually my points are all true....moreover there are no superior cultures,sometimes its the culture termed superior that usually collapses to barbarians the stuff is that every culture has its strong points and its weak points

YourNemesis:
More like that.

But we still have some communities in Delta state which were carved out by the makers of that map.
Even Enugu.

I saw the map on a Yoruba Facebook group and I was so impressed with it. A Union of Yoruboid and Edoid ethnicities under the house of Izoduwa.
The only issue I've with the map is that of the Igala...just as France fought the British in the American revolutionary war(1775-1783) on account of the US,that's how we'd fight you guys if you don't leave the Igala alone

YourNemesis:
I am laughing because no sane person here will take you serious.
I just decided to jump into the discourse to have fun.

I can even say the place called Ogdi in Anambra is of Yoruba origin, because there is a Yoruba town called Ogidi.
Or that the place called Oba near onitsha was founded by some Eribos of a Benin or Yoruba Oba.
EVeryone can cook up things, but that does not make them all correct.

Obviously you are pained that Benin and EVEN Yoruba influences can be found in Igboland, but Igbo influences are confined to just igbo communities.

Don't be so fast bro
Most of the cultural practices in Edo and igala were initiated by Nri. Here are some examples
1]the four day week that corresponds to cardinality was initiated by Nri. These days afo, eke, orie, nkwo also exist in igala and Benin and are practiced by them till this day!
2]the Igue(Igwe in Igbo) festival that honors the sky was initiated by Nri priests who lived at agbor. Every dick and harry knows that the Igbo for sky is IGWĒ
3]the new yam festival is celebrated across Igboland, and other parts of the South originated in Nri
4]as a priestly caste Nri was responsible for the purging of abominations and taboos all across Igboland, Idu and Igalaland..I even heard their influence extended to the Ijo(rukwo in Igbo) people

So you can see it was both ways...Nri saw that no matter the political situation of the times, the spirituality of all the nations in the SE/SS never faltered

YourNemesis:
Dude, the great Yoruboid-Edoid alliance is here to stay.
You will have to fight hard, because all of Anioma, parts of Anambra and Enugu states are at risk.

Is this what you're talking of?

Cire80:
in your post you said Agburu is the Igbo word for lineage. In Ika lineage is Agbon and not Agburu

This submission of yours makes me understand you don't know the difference btwn language and dialect. See Igboland has five cultural zones and terminologies shared btwn members of a cultural zone are almost the same.
Using the term for lineage as example, there are at least three variations of it used across Igboland and they're Agbò, Agburu(Agbru) and Agbu. It all depends on what your cultural area uses.
Another is the term for house...the northerners and some westerners use "uno" to express their own, the central areas(isuama) use "ulo", the southerners especially the owerre, the ikwerre use "oro"(I also heard ikas use "olo" too) while the easterners use "uhu"(some southerners also use uhu too)
Another example is the term for thing...northerners and westerners use "ife" to express their own, the central areas use "ihe" which is the same as standard Igbo while the southerners especially the Ngwa and Ikwerre use "he" to express their own while the easterners use "ive" to express theirs.
I can go on and on but I want you to understand the drift..which is that Ika is a dialect of Igbo just as ikwerre is or Aro or Izi or Ubani. These are all dialects of Igbo so you can't expect their terminologies to be the same but every other marker used to mark a language shows that ika is Igbo.

hammerF:
On wikipedia, the first Oba name is registered as Eweka

Cant help but notice that the name is similar to the Igbo name called Emeka.

Wat does Eweka mean in Bini, does anybody know?

Could the name be a corrupt version for the igbo name Emeka?

Could igbos from Nri have founded the bini kingdom and due to mixing with yorubas created the bini dialect?

Guy...to get the Igbo variant of Bini names starting with E,just change it to I
For example eweka is iweka in Igbo, esama is isama though it doesn't apply in all cases.

ehikwe22:
Why can't you use your senses? Dein of Agbor said all that in an interview and you chose to believe that interview was real? Agbor was formerly called Agbon before it was anglicicized. Lineage is called Agbon in Edo and Anioma and There is no relationship between Agbon and Agburu. Look for another lie. Dein never said this. Paste the link to this your interview let's see.

Don't drag me into the gutter of ignorance you're currently residing in biko go and ask the dein why he said that don't ask me.
Now coming to Agbon...I don't speak Bini but am glad you said it yourself that Agbon is the Bini for lineage,and anyone who's a linguist who know that there's a relationship btwm Agbon and Agbo. All the Igbos from igbanke down to the whole Anioma even across the river to Anambra and parts of Imo and Rivers use Agbo as their term for lineage.
Igbo as a language unlike Bini and Yoruba doesn't have nasalized vowels.. They were removed in 1962 when written Igbo was standardized. That was the compromise southern and western Igbos gave in exchange of their dialects being adopted as the basis for standard Igbo.
If that nasalization was retained, Igbo would still be spelling lineage as Agbon instead of the Agbo we use now.
As further emphasis on my piece..
Comparing ika to onicha dialect one would see that the words are essentially the same except for the addition of "n" in ika variants. For eg Dei in onicha becomes Dein in ika, Agbò in onicha becomes agbon in ika, ebo in onicha becomes ebon in ika
Like I told gerg, you too need to expand your horizon and stop looking ignorant

vicenzo:
Second, y did Benin not expand into Anioma wen their were no natural barrier, but the Nri Kingdom was able to overcome the River Niger to settle in Anioma?


Rational question, especially when you consider the fact that there are non Igbo speaking community in Edo whose progenitors were Igbo speaking, Who migrated to Edo from western Igboland and as far as from present south East.

I even read up somewhere that the igueben people in ishanland are descendants of awka blacksmiths