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Cire80:
I don't know how this means arguing on emotions? You're a very strange being. You sense of understanding is very shallow or maybe you deliberately twist talks?

Why'd I twist when all I've to do is present them as they're
Ikas are a proud nation...they just the Bulgarians and Serbians who resisted Ottoman aggression have resisted Benin aggression for 400years. So for me as a fellow Anioma to see some Ika pandering to Benin makes me sick and I wonder how our fathers who resisted Idu would feel in the netherworld they're now
Am not strange bro...just being real

Cire80:
This your comment corroborate my point. Bini people sent to Ika areas were Killed, British administrators were killed too. That's just a little about the Bini/Owa/Agbor politics I was talking about.

I never said Bini sent reinforcement for Anioma but the British sent reinforcement from Bini against Anioma. Bini wasn't directly involved. There's no where I said that. I wouldn't have involved Bini in Ekumeku war if not you that was trying to link Nri which didn't know there was an Ekumeku war going on. My point in mentioning Bini was to tell you if there is any outsiders that were involved in the Ekumeku war, it's the Binis and the Esan. Do you know that as mighty as Agbor Kingdom was that time, there were not much involved in the war? I'm sure you know why.

So you've been arguing based instead of on facts/reality but on emotions Too bad...how am I even sure you're Ika Kos no proud Ika panders to the whims and caprices of Benin

ianSweet:
I am igala by tribe and the truth is that most southern igalas may prefer to go with igbos while most northern igalas will prefer a yoruba or hausa union. So to avoid things like this, we may have to stay neutral.

Yes oo my sister
We the Great Igbo Nation has and would always support an independent,unaligned Igala country. This Igala neutrality is what I argued sometimes ago with someone who was busy talking rubbish about being in an Izoduwa commonwealth

gerg:
Asaba Division was under Bini province.

Seems you no sabi difference btwn division and province

What's the difference btwn Benin division and Benin province?

blues20:
Can you recommend a book on this subject...?

Look for that one written by Chief Iduuwe...its on the history of Agbor

This islamization is getting real

Cire80:
you people are mistaking the Ekumeku movement as a single movement. Bini and Esan didn't play any direct role on it but do you know we were under Bini province ? And reinforcement were being sent from Bini. That's the mistake you're making. I'm not going to waste my time in this. If you're interested in the subject, go and make a research on it with an open mind. There is no connection between Ekumeku and Nri.

Idu didn't send any reinforcements biko...even if we were allies, how'd Idu send reinforcement when they were under effective British occupation This is similar to the Axis powers after may 1945..how can imperial Japan expect aid from Nazi Germany when we all know the Nazis surrendered to the Allies on may 11,1945 and maybe like in June 1945 Japan would now be expecting help from the Nazis... That's a no brainer
Moreover, when Anioma resistance collapsed, the British divided up Anioma and placed Ika under direct Idu overlordship to placate the Bini on account of 1897. All the Bini men sent as satraps/administrators to the various Ika princely states were murdered one after the other except in few places. This event is what pushed the Brits to leave ika in asaba division instead of the planned move to Benin division.

Cire80:
Bini and Ishan didn't participate in the war but some Bini/Agbor /Owa politics of that era influenced the war. If you know about Anioma history you would understand what I mean. It's obvious you don't know about it so I'll ignore you

Ohooo
Now they didn't participate again
Broz...I think you need to leave that Bini delirium you're presently under and face reality no matter how much you fall and dance for them,when push comes to shove they'd always see you for who you're..an Igboman!!
Here's a map of the colonial Midwest... You can see that only asaba and abō were the only Igbo divisions in the Midwest and when you look very well,the combined area corresponds to our envisioned Anioma state.
So how does what is happening mainly in asaba division affect the Ishan Mind you the Ishan had already surrendered like a decade earlier to the Brits.

Afriifa:
see paining. Largest Tribe in the south-South Ijaw. 4th largest in the whole country u dare call it a Minority tribe? I pity you. Keep deluding yourself that you have Igbos in South-south.

In the sixties the Igbo population was roughly 12M while that of the Rukwo(that's what we call Ijo in Igbo) was a paltry 700000...mind you the Ibibio country was 3.2M then.
So how did the 4th largest shit come about?

Afriifa:
"tebe tekpe-sin". Ooh that hurt right?


I hate to argue with geopolical slaves.

You want my support yet you ridicule me because, I don't support your ideology.

[s]Honestly I love Ibos, i just hate Biafrans becuase only ignorant folks like u r there[/s].

This is similar to what my friend said when we were in year one..

I love Chelsea but I don't like football
And we had to ask him, "guy na handball Chelsea dey play?"

Cire80:
Yes, all you people do is propound theories that doesn't have any evidence to be up. Ekumeku Movement wasn't a single movement. The only p
[s]Outsiders that played any roles were the Esans and Binis that we shared same division with[/s]. Please stop rewriting people's history but cry foul when someone else write about your Igbo history. Isn't that hypocrisy?

Its obvious this Bini bias of yours won't allow you to be objective
I've read like three to four sources from different parts of Anioma concerning the Ekumeku war and none of them I mean NONE mentioned any Ishan or Idu town as participant to the war of resistance. The westernmost town of the alliance was Agbor while Onicha Ado was the easternmost town of the ekumeku military alliance. During the war, two British commanders Crewe and Chapman lost their lives at Owa and Ogwanshi Ukwu respectively.
I think you're the one trying to rewrite our history to fit with your Benin bias but thank God the records are there for everyone to see

blues20:
You guys should keep up the debate. Its interesting.....@ehikwe22: Why not tell us your own version of the Ekumekwu war? Why do you think Cheruv's version is not correct.

I've noticed that what these Idu people do is claim that i propagate propaganda... Now give us your own version they're all mum
Anyway am tired of discussing Ika history with people who claim to know but they don't...my interest is the Ika wordlist they talked about, if only they can compile it let's see how Ika is been Igbonized

gregyboy:
or u just formulating this story bcus oba ovoramwen died in1914 and now u saying the igbo and british war ended that year and why that year u story looks sucipious and is it benin u regard as idu

Ovoramwe Nogbaiši was deposed in 1897...that's the year British attacked and destroyed Idu, and yes Idu is what we call Benin in Igbo. Before then the Western Igbos had already been engaged in a war against the British. Ovoramwe was exiled Calabar(Atakpa in Igbo) and he died there, though I don't remember sha the year he died

ehikwe22:
I would advise everybody to ignore these people. He doesn't know history. So it's you and your brothers that PROPAGATE (in your own words) history that know history?

As for Ekumeku war of the Anioma I have read a lot about it, I've been told a lot about it by people that witnessed it and I personally know the family of some of the commanders of that war and no where have I ever heard of any Nri influence on the war. I'm sure you just propounded this theory from the figment of your imagination. Or did another of your propagators help in propagating this?

Enyi am tired of discussing Ika history with him...he doesn't know anything in that regard
My interest is in the Ika word list he talked about... Do you know any old ika terms that might have been Igbonized??
There some terms I'd want to check up on

hammerF:
PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME ON THE BOLDED.

After the Berlin conference of 1884 in which the Brits were awarded the Niger area.... They moved in to consolidate their gains. The Igbo country was of course under their purview so they sent in troops to invade and conquer our country. The first Igbo state to fall casualty was Opobo in 1887...its King was tricked and forced into exile. By 1900 almost all of the princely states in the Igbo country(onicha, abō, oguta) had accepted British suzerainty. The gerontocracies were the next and these were very difficult because unlike the princely states, decision here was made by the oha. Some gerontocracies like Ndoki, Oroata surrendered without a fight, others especially the Eastern Igbos decided to rather die in battle than surrender to the British.
It was in this chaotic state that the princely states of Western Igboland formed an alliance somewhere in present day aniocha in the 1890s and declared war on the British. This war was called "Agha Ekwumekwu" translated literally as the don't talk war or the silent war. They attacked British outposts and assassinated collaborators among themselves. It was during this ekwumekwu war that the British attacked and conquered Idu, exiling its emperor in 1897...when the ishans that were marching out to aid Idu against the British heard the Brits had sacked Benin, they quickly surrendered to the British but the Ikas and the Oru that were allied to them in the Ekwumekwu alliance kept up the war.
The British, thinking that Arochukwu was the capital of the Igbo country attacked the city in 1900. After a series of battles lasting for almost a year and captured the city in 1902. Still the destruction of Arochukwu didn't pacify the Igbo country.... The Brits noticed that they needed to conquer a place like three or four times before they stopped rebelling, moreover the acephalous nature of the Igbo country made things more complicated.
So I don't know how the Brits got to know of the spiritual power of the Eze Nri and then sent soldiers to capture him. As you know,Nri for a thousand years never had an army so they couldn't resist British aggression militarily. Moreover, after his coronation the Eze Nri goes into seclusion and is not seen till he dies and reincarnates in another being. This added an air of mystery around him coupled with the fact he was the one that handled the spirituality of the whole Igbo, Idu and Igala/Idoma countries.
So when the British came to Nri, they forced the Eze Nri to handover his "ofo" and renounce his powers to the British. He refused initially so they brought him out for the people to see.It was said that the people fled when they heard the Eze Nri was coming out bkos he doesn't come out to start with. The Brits then humiliated him and seized the ofo from him..I heard the ofo is still in Britain till now.
After the humiliation of 1911, the Brits noticed that the reoccurring rebellions stopped while the Ezaa of present day Ebonyi who gathered to do battle with the British were so decisively beaten that no two Ezaa warriors could be found together. Sequel to the humiliation of 1911,the Brits started making progress in the silent war, capturing or killing its leaders. By 1914, Anioma resistance had collapsed and the British were then able to amalgamate Nigeria.
So you can see that the conquest lasted from 1887 to 1914 and after the conquest, the British seized all the guns in the Igbo country and burned them all,prohibiting them from carrying arms[I heard that's why till now in Nigeria the govt no matter what doesn't permit citizens to carry guns unlike in other places].
Bro...that's what happened

Cire80:
Nri has nothing to do with our Ekumeku war. What concerns Nri and Ekumeku?

That'd lead us to another bout of history which you've shown not to be your forte...can you check up some words for me on that old Ika word list that you've?

Cire80:
I pity your teacher. You seem like a special needs student that requires special attention before you understand simple write up. Even after drawing your attention to 'some' and 'almost all' you still go back asking the same thing. do you think Ika is a single Kingdom that was founded the same time? I give up on you

Your Bini brethren gave up on you long time ago...so who am I to give a Bleep on someone who's deficient on a history he claims to know
Am no longer interested in the Ika history you claim to know but its clear you don't
Do you still have the old Ika word list??

gerg:
The problem with these Igbo people is that they formulate a theory without any evidence to back up their theory and stick to it. See Igbos that don't know their history trying to rewrite other people's history. it's quite funny.

Edo is from Igbo, original inhabitants of Ife were Igbos so Igbos were the aborigines of Ife. Igalla was founded by an Nri prince and Attah of Igalla still pay homage to Nri. These are the kind of theories I hear from Igbo people and it really sound funny. I'm not surprised when you people also write stuff about Anioma. This is what you people know how to do best

Yes igala came from Nri but Nri forbade igala from paying homage to it...Nri was a spiritual empire not a physical that's why lasted so long for almost a thousand years. It was the disgrace of 1911 on the Eze Nri that led to the collapse of the ekwumekwu war of Anioma which enabled the British to amalgamate Nigeria three years after.

Cire80:
I think you deliberately choose not to learn. Ika has never been suppressed by anyone. [s]Ika language being igbonize and you're twisting it.[/s] I don't have any business arguing someone that has let prejudice block his sense of reasoning. Good luck

What's there to learn if all you do is contradict yourself
Ika is a thousand years old...Bini started expanding from 1440 under Ewuare the Great and at his death in 1473 the expulsions happened. So how can Ika that's a thousand years old turn around and be established by Bini émigré royals in the 1500s
Broz...its clear you know nothing about Ika history or you're deliberately trying to sidestep any fact that doesn't match your Bini bias
Anyway, do you still have that list?

Cire80:
When I say Edoid I mean they used to have more Edo words and sentences than they do now. Years back, the Ika word for door was Ekue but now everyone is saying Uzor. Road used to be Uwaya, everyone is also saying Uzor. chair used to be Aga(rah), bench agbara and short stool was ekete now everyone use Oche generally for chair. I can give you hundred lists of Edo words that was in use in Ika area about 2 or 3 decades ago that have totally been replaced with Igbo words. It's only the elders that still use some of these words.

The Ika we speak today is not the Ika of 5 decades ago. The Ika spoken in those period are highly mixed with Edo and Igbo word but now all the Edo words are fast disappearing

Oops
Was this the angle you were coming from??
OK... What you're saying simply backed up the theory I propagated on my last response to you, which is that with the removal of Bini oppression from the daily lives of Ika people, their suppressed identity is gradually returning to the surface. That's why you see them changing names of things back to their pre Bini forms and being more freer to express their Igbo identity without the overbearing influence of Idu.
Moreover door in Igbo is Mgbō not Uzo...Uzo is for way or road.
Moreover do you still have that list?? Send it across to me there are some things I'd like to check up there

gerg:
[s]From all indications, Igbos don't know the meaning of the name or it's origin. There was nothing like Igbo just like Anioma. Can you tell me at what point in time Igbos recognized themselves as Igbos? or the meaning of the name? or origin? You can't answer this because nobody knows. everybody knows how the name Anoma came about and everybody knows we have collectively been called different names before this present names was coined[/s].

Broz!
Before the white came there was no tribe called "Igbo". Igbo was a term used by people to refer to people that either lived on dry land or people that spoke similar languages. Coming to Anioma, there were two groups of people then in Anioma viz the Ika and the Oru/Olu. The Oru lived along the banks(both sides) of the river Niger(Ohimiri in Igbo) while the Ika lived to the West of the Oru. The Olu/Oru called the Ika "Igbo" bkos they lived on dry land while the Ika called these guys "Oru" bkos they lived in a riverine environment.
To the East of the Oru we had tribes like the Ado, Adama, Isiama, Oroata, Ihuruoha, Echee, Ubani, UkwaNgwa, Aro, Abam, Ada, Agbaja, Ogu Ukwu. You see there was no tribe called Igbo
Igbo came about during slavery as a term for all these tribes bkos it was noticed they spoke similar languages. If the British didn't come again and arochukwu ended up uniting Igboland under its control, Igbos have been called Aro by now
Concerning Anioma, the name was coined by Osadebei in 1951 to represent the Ika and the Oru who were found in the Midwest. If they were Edo like Cire80 and even you has been claiming, Osadebei won't have included the Ika to start with.

Cire80:
Do you lack comprehensive ability? In my posts I've been making it clear my point is not if these communities are Ika or not. They can be Bini people losing their language or just speak Ika as a second language. [s]Some of these people are mixed as well. And again, how can one distinguish between Bini people that speak Bini from Ika speaking Bini people when originally Ika was of Bini stock? Same culture and same everything including migration stories just different times[/s]

What do you know about igbanke? I didn't even talk about Igbanke except when I corrected you about there correct name so how did you know much about them? How is Igbanke losing their language when there language was more Edoid than it is now? Ika language including igbanke was more Edoid and getting Igbonized day by day.

Ahhh this guy keeps repeating this stale line
Even the Bini recognized Ika as being Igbo and you're here claiming otherwise. Bini colonized Ika as a result of the conquest of 1577,so its expected to see heavy Edonization of Ika but claiming that Ika is Edo is similar to saying that Yeshua was not Jewish but Arab
Concerning the bold, Ika are not been Igbonized rather they're returning to their true identity which is Igbo. This identity was suppressed after the conquest but since the Ika regained their independence, its only natural that their true identity would gradually come back to the surface

azimibraun:
[s]Minority of Igbos see Nnamdi Kanu and Ipob as a gift while Majority see them as a Curse. The guy is like a witch in a movie destined to destroy a people. Kanu honestly see himself as Mandela, Castro, Mugabe before independence, Kwame Nkrumah. Little did he and his supporters know that we have revolutionaries and we have renegades. Kanu will want his name mentioned alongside Azikiwe, Micheal Okpala not knowing that Peter Obi commands more respect than him in igboland[/s].

Whenever Peter Obi is incarcerated, not even an ant would come out and protest for him like they did for Kanu.
Why do I even givva fukh After all your people tell yourselves lies to feel good

Anago5000:
i wish we could ignore that th1ng.i 8 that boy to the core.he is such a nuisance using google translator to claim he is frm one of the SS states.but dont worry.the EOD has taken up his case.soon he will hear from us

I noticed that when I wrote long paragraphs using Igbo... He usually got lost. Thats when I became suspicious of him. At times I wonder what happens any day he doesnt fall into an Igbo thread

gerg:
[s]There was nothing like Igbo few decades or century ago but the whole South East have a deep sense of brotherhood even with some little issues they have but Ika, Enuani and Ukwani have always been known and classified as one people. different people have always have terms they identify Anioma area collectively from the olden days[/s].

Absolute BS!!!
Though understandable kos its coming from the mouth of a misinformed Bini

Cire80:
Who's this one? Do you know the distance between Abudu and Ogan, Owa, Iru and other Ika speaking parts of Edo? In my first comment, I made it clear that some of these communities are bilingual and some speak Ika as a second language. I've been to many of these Ika speaking communities in Edo. I've never been to Abudu but I have friends from there that speak Ika and they said they speak Ika in their place.

It seems you don't know anything about Ali Ika...how can the communities be ika and then speak ika as second language
You're Bini and not ika...but even then you're deficit in Bini history and its relationship with the ika. Concerning the igbanke,you've seen that am more on ground there than you. In fact you can't be Ika and not be bothered that Igbanke which is an Ika community has lost its language to Bini

BornStunner1:
ABUDU DO NOT SPEAK IKA...... WTF IS IKA?

IGBANKE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHANGING THIER NAMES TO EDO NAMES BCUS OF SERIOUS INFLUENCE OF BENIN LANGUAGE

BENIN LANGUAGE IS NOW EVEN SPOKEN IN ANIOMA VILLAGES IN DELTA




DO NOT SAY WAT U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT

http://gloriaadagbon..com/2011/04/igbanke-forgotten-minority-in-edo-state.html

Cire80...you can see that your Bini brother has substantiated my claims

Cire80:
[s]you're obviously from one of those Eastern States[/s]. I don't involve in Edo politics but what do you mean Bini is trying to erase their language and culture? These communities were originally more Edoid than they are now, including Igbanke.

And please there's nothing like Igbo Akiri. It's Igbanke and it was derived from the two biggest igbanke villages of Igbontor and Ake. Please even if you're desperate to claim them, respect their names. Igbo Akiri sounds offensive.

Am an Anioma son or what Easterners call Western Igbos... Whether you believe or not is your headache not mine.
Am interested in Edo politics bkos there are Anioma people there. Anioma is spread out over five states and am interested in their politics as well

[quote author=Cire80 post=52625410]

there's nothing like Ika Igbo. That was added by desperate Igbos

Ika Igbo is another name for western Igbo. The name was dropped after the war in which Anioma replaced it.

If Ika obviously was Igbo, why did they have to indicate it there when it was never part of our name?

Ika has always and will remain Igbo... Its an Igbo tribe just like the enuani, ukwuani/ndokwa, ado(onicha), aro, izi etc
Igbo is an umbrella term for all Igboid ethnicities

Ika has never been under the Igbo even from the colonial era[\quote]
You're talking as if we built an imperial state...unlike your Bini people, we Igbos never built an empire.every clan lived as they saw fit without interference from others. The only Igbo tribe that tried to build an empire were the Aro,but their Confederacy was destroyed by the Brits in the Anglo-Aro war of 1902

[quote]If I'm talking about history I don't like to involve anything European reports because it's always full of errors of completely changing people's name, village names and words. You read some of these their book and have to be the one guessing what they're talking about

Enyi if you don't call them who'd you call
Yes they made mistakes here and there yet they did a great work. Even your Bini people didn't have a written language even though they built an empire. The only Igbo tribe that tried writing were the Aro...they wrote Igbo using a script they borrowed from their neighbors to the Cameroon mountains.
Look at this map of Igboland and see how detailed the British were

Cire80:
OK. Let's forget about Ika. Ukwani and Urhobo is the same intonation.

Said who
Can you explain what you mean by that?

Cire80:
Have you been to Abudu? I'm not saying Abudu is Ika but they speak Ika.

See...of all the LGs in Edo state orhiomwon is the one am most interested in bkos of two reasons
1]it surrounds the ika part of delta on almost three sides..only the Eastern border of Ali Ika is with the Enu Ani
2]almost 80% of ika communities outside delta are located in orhiomwon. Igbo-akri(igbanke) that is struggling to have its own LG is located here.

Since you claim that communities there even up to Abudu speak ika, why are they then marginalizing the ika still found in Edo state??
Why are the Bini trying to erase the language and culture of the ika still in Edo and replace them with Bini ones?

Cire80:
And Ika being the generic name for Anioma doesn't necessarily mean Ika was the dominant language but there are many Ika words in all the Anioma languages. It's this shared words that aids easier intelligibility even though our intonation is completely different. [s]Ika is leaned more towards Bini while Ukwani is lean more towards Urhobo and Enuani is mixture of Ika and Igbo with more Igboid intonation among the groups[/s].

We know you're Bini but take it easy with the misinformation abeg...so the presence of a few Bini and Sobo settlers now means that ika and ukwùani now leans towards them?