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Cire80:
Another nonsense you just spewed. There is nothing like Niger Delta Budget Monitoring Group that interviewed the Dein of Agbor. I came across this your so called interview and I was surprised by everything I saw there. On digging deep I discovered that it was all cooked up. There is no limit you people can't get to make Ika look more Igbo . Sometimes I wonder how a people can be like this. It was in this same same interview they tried to give an Igbo meaning to Ominijie, a full Bini word. Even Agbon is a full Bini word and it has the same meaning in Ika

Its a Federal govt project so whether its cooked up or not,the onus lies on the Federal govt not me

Yujin:
I'm from Anambra with origin traceable to present day Ohafia in Abia state. When Ohafias speak I barely understand them because of the long time the founder of my town left there. I barely understand Owerre too so I wouldn't be fair to say that Ikas should be able to understand Owerre dialect. I only said you should try and study the similarities. It could help you understand better. Don't be quick to dismiss what I've written here. I've met and spoken with both Igbanke and Agbor indigenes.

At times I wonder why he's arguing blindly... An ika elder by name Chief iduuwe wrote a book on the history of agbor where he claimed that the town was founded by one ogele like that around 700BC...even as recently as may 2015,during an interview with the Niger Delta budget monitoring group, the Dein of Agbor gave a little tip on the etymology and origin of agbor. It was from that interview that I got to know that Agbor is the Igbo for lineage which in Anioma is pronounced as "Agbò" while other Igbos call it Agburu.
Instead of him to go and read up on Agbor or should I say ika history, he's here arguing blindly

gerg:
I said I am Ika and I don't understand Owerre dialect. It sounds greek to me and every other Ika man. what else do you want me to study? You will be making a great mistake if you involve the Europeans into this. [s]Most of their studies are absolute nonsense[/s].

Nonsense bkos they don't back your side of the argument isn't it?

gerg:
Igbanke said they want to be Anioma and never said they want to be Igbo. Get that into your thick skull

You're obviously pained but seriously I don't care... Igbanke is seriously been marginalized by Bini in all aspects and that's what bothers me as an Anioma son.
Coming to the issue of thick skulls, everyone can see btwn us whose own is thicker especially for a Bini son like you that doesn't know Bini history but has to wait till an Anioma son like me schools you in it.
See, Anioma must march on and not even Idu can stop us

gerg:
Traditional rulers of Igbanke is not Eze. Everything about Igbanke doesn't scream Igbo. look for another lie

It seems you're either misinformed or you're deliberately trying to spread lies.. Sometimes last year or is it last two years the igbanke were screaming out for help that they're been marginalized culturally by Benin and they're even gave instances where they'd go to abudu,which is orhiomwon's HQ(igbanke is located in orhiomwon LG) and they're denied services because their names sound "Igbo" with some Bini callously telling them to go to Delta state and get whatever services they're looking for there. Now how can you tell a people that their land is located in Edo state to go to delta and get whatever services they're seeking for just bkos they're not Bini like you??
All these things is what's propelling the Igbanke to demand that their areas be either made a LG on its own or be ceded to Anioma(ie Delta).

Anyway all these is what makes me to seriously push for Anioma state so that the insults we suffer from Edoid folks like you would cease.

ehikwe22:
When classifying ethnicity, what are the things to put into consideration? For me they're history and origin, cultures, custom and traditions, kingship and village structure, festivals, music and dancing steps, traditional believe systems, food and cuisine, art and worldview. [s]If you make a comparison of ika and Igbo putting these into consideration, you will find out ika is a million miles away from Igbo[/s]

Really
Am not surprised to see you say so...afterall you're probably among the descendants of the Bini soldiers that settled in ika after its conquest by Idu in 1577...but am certain that ehi certainly doesn't agree with you on that.
Now check the olukumi people in Anioma... Their language switched from Yoruba which was their original to Bini due to the imperial power of Benin. Later it switched from Bini to Igbo after the Anioma evicted the imperial forces in the ubulu war.
As for the scribed out part, I know you can do better than telling useless lies

freeze001:
No sir! He might be a dick, he's already got it in his name but certainly not a tOtO! Kindly leave d female anatomy out of this please, it is not designed to signify failure or weakness! The dick certainly can't take or do what tOtO does!

Alleluia!!!

This is the kinda stuffs you see when Yoruba peeps can't mind themselves..... Taking panadol on who and who is seceding with Igbos
Where are the mods Come and clean up this shit joor!

gerg:
Bini and Agbor had many turbulent periods but it wasn't a war. and it wasn't as far back as the 15th century like that guy wants us to believe.

Seriously you can be funny at times
Your Bini sources say its a war...the ika sources I've read also say its a war, so I wonder how you who am not sure is up to his sixties would claim otherwise
Try and get that book the other guy prescribed... It'd go a long way in helping you

gerg:
You don't know what you are talking about. Ekpon is Ishan. For Ekpon that is an Ishan to start switching to Ika disproves the point you are trying to make and corroborates mine.

No bro in this particular case we're saying the same thing...I even heard the Igbonization stuff is spreading all over ishan land

RedboneSmith:
Erm... Benin and Agbor actually fought at least two wars, and Benin did conquer Agbor. Also, I think you people are being too simplistic when you say all Ika communities were founded by members of Bini royal family. I am not contesting that some indeed were founded from Benin, but some were also of local origin. For information on Agbor origins, read the History of Agbor by Chief Iduuwe.

Gerg rush now and get this book so that you can be cured of your ignorance... I've read that book and its worth it

gerg:
The way Igbo people throw their history is amusing. Bini never conquered Agbor. there is nothing like Idu-Ika war. [s]All the Ika communities that were formed in the fifteenth century were founded by members of Bini Royal family fleeing from the crises in the royal family[/s].

You're the one that's misinformed very very obvious you've no knowledge of the relationship btwn the ika and the Idu. Anyway as a Bini you're trying to protect what you don't even have while your "otuedo website"(the last place I read up on these wars) says otherwise.
Bro, using the info your otuedo website tendered(lemme leave out the other sources) the Idu has waged two wars on the Anioma since Ewuare inaugurated the Bini empire in 1440. The wars are
1]the Ika war of 1577 in which Agbor was destroyed
2]the Ubulu war of 1755 in which was a stalemate
As for the scribed out part, I think you can do better than tell white lies

gerg:
For you to say the similarities between Edo and Anioma is limited to kingship shows you know nothing about Anioma. Do you know the level of similarities between Ika language and Edo languages? Many of the Edoid Ika words can also be found in Enuani and Ukwani languages. 90% of Ika cultures, festivals and chieftancy titles are Edo. What are you even saying?

I've taken time to study the cultures and languages of Bini and Ika and I can say that you're talking absolute trash!
Like the guy you quoted correctly said, the relationship btwn Idu and Ika is just related to the political sphere. Linguistically, ika and Bini are very different languages even though you'd see terms in ika that are Bini as expected of languages that are geographic neighbors but every other thing that defines a language shows that ika is as different from Bini as the sun is different from the moon
A good example that buttresses your claims is the ekpon...I read sometime ago that they're now switching from ishan language which is an Edoid language to ika which is an Igboid one.

gerg:
Before talking about how the Igbo came about to influence Anioma language so much, try to put the Igbo population as against Edo population into consideration then you will know how simple it is for Anioma to be Igbonized. Even as we are speaking, Ika is becoming more Igbonized. Even some other minority groups in Rivers and Bayelsa are getting Igbonized. Don't let prejudice to block you sense of reasoning

Ikas were Igbos long even before Iweka ascended the throne...stop creating issues where they're are none. If you say we're Igbonizing the isoko or any non Igboid tribes like those in bayelsa, then I'd take that serious. But for you to claim the ika are been Igbonized,all I'd do is just laugh because the ika are recovering from centuries of Bini oppression that started when the Bini conquered agbor in the Idu-Ika war of 1577.

Cire80:
I've been a guest for a long time on this forum. I remember your moniker from way back. You're not Anioma. Stop switching.

Switching from what to what?

Cire80:
Don't mind this impostor. No Anioma person would ever say most of the things I see in his comments. I'm not surprised at all. This same guy was the one saying how Bini city was ruled by Igbo kings called ogisos and Ile Ife was ruled by Igbo kings called ogene If this people can go as far as claiming Bini and Ile Ife, why wouldn't they claim Anioma that's a stone throw from them? Continue. Nobody is taking you serious anymore.

Biko kwa when did I say the highlight
So any Anioma that doesn't agree with your Bini shit is now suspect I see....if we've so much with Idu, why did they commit massacres on us when the Biafran armies were thrown out of the Midwest
Cire80 am 101% sure you're not Anioma so I'd appreciate that you keep mum whenever issues concerning the Western Igbos are being discussed. Bkos someone is keeping quiet doesn't mean you a foreigner to Anioma would now pull wool over our eyes

gerg:
No single Anioma person has the right to speak for the whole Anioma because Anioma is divided on this Igbo thing. The relationship and affinity Anioma has with Bini spans into millenium and you can't just wish that away. throw away Bini shit? you must be kidding. and you even agreed there are some Bini shit?

As for Biafra, there is difference between Biafra and Igbo. Even some Yorubas fought for Biafra, so tell me why Anioma's case is different? I am not Igbo but if war should break up in Nigeria and I were a soldier, I will fight for Biafra. I want Biafra but this doesn't mean I should throw away my Bini heritage.

Its clear you're one of the descendants of the Bini army the Anioma resistance crushed in the great Ubulu war of 1755 and scattered their remnants all over Anioma. Every Anioma town from agbor in the West to onicha in the East to abo in the South all sent reinforcements to help defend Ubulu Ukwu during that Bini war of aggression. The only town that did not was Isele Ukwu.
You Edo descendants are recent settlers to Anioma... So when issues concerning Anioma are raised,it's pertinent that you allow the aborigines make the decision. As for your stance on Biāfra I'd appreciate that bkos outside the Igbo tag, Biāfra is another identity common to all "bia" speakers

[quote author=laudate post=52565453][/quote]Onye nkaferia zuzupum n'ihu biko!

gerg:
Who are you to speak for Anioma? Even the bone of contention here (Obi of Issele Uku) doesn't think in same direction as you. He went to Oba's palace to receive the Oba's fatherly blessing as tradition demands. Anioma people are not interested in the Igbo hatred. We are lovers and not haters like you easterners.

Am Anioma... So I've every right to speak for the whole Western Igbo cultural group. We're the same as our siblings to the East and lemme tell you something, we formed 40% of Biafra's military leadership... The Biafran chief of naval staff was from Agbor while that of air staff was from ukwuani.
Stop deceiving or hyping yourself on that Bini trash kos when the time comes,we the Western Igbo would do away with whatever Bini shit we've on us.
You hate the Igbo but love Anioma... And you think we're children to be deceived by such useless claims after massacring our people in 1967??
Abeg go and sit down!

Each of the behemoths don't really need the other to survive. Yoruba are socialist in nature, Igbos are capitalist in nature while the Hausa Fulani are feudalists.
Nigeria should be restructured altogether so that the ethnicities within it can make progress....if they feel restructuring can't take place, I give this country a decade..it'd go the way of the Soviet Union

laudate:
[s]Stop lying now. Your obsession with these Igala people is getting out of hand. You are an adult, not a kid asking for sweets. Did you not mention China and Taiwan in your previous post? Look at it again, down here.



You really need to free your mind. In my previous post, I stated that you should not kill yourself over this matter, that if you ask the Igala for money to treat yourself, they would not give you, but if you ask the Odua, they might oblige you with a few pennies.

Now how does that translate into asking the Odua for relations? Was that what I said? Stop misinterpreting my words, biko. You are losing the plot, honestly. Take it easy, or else you will develop high-blood pressure over this issue....hehehe! Point of correction - the Odua people do not come from my ethnic group. But it seems you cannot do anything, without mentioning them in one day. It is okay. You are obviously obsessed with them.

Oya, continue clamouring for diplomatic relations between the Igbo and Igala. Afterall, you have promised to guarantee the Igala their independence, which is something you have not been able to achieve for Biafra!! Everyone can see that you are the one making a mockery of yourself, because you are promising another ethnic group, what you have not been able to guarantee for your own people[/s].

Nani ihnyem gāsi gi bu

NDO!

laudate:
Eeyah! This matter don pain you enter bone, o!! See as you just dey halla for here, crying all over the place, both in English and in Igbo.

Wait o, were you not the one dishing out accusations of : "infantile pranks of inserting Igbo phrases into our discussion, you look so funny doing that and I can imagine childish you're thinking that'd influence me in any way.." in one of your previous posts??!! Hehehe.....now here you are doing the same thing you were accusing others of doing. You are such a bundle of contradictions.

Try not to kill yourself over this matter, o! The Igalas will not donate a single kobo towards your treatment, despite all your so-called claims of diplomatic relations! As for the Odua, better ask them politely. They may toss a few pennies your way!!

Continue wailing over your non-existent diplomatic relations between the Igbo & Igala. Trying to draw comparisons with the Chinese role in Taiwan, simply shows you have lost the plot!!

You've lost it bro!!
Who's talking about China and Taiwan here
Ohh you think am asking your Odua people for relations?? Then you must be the most inconsequential fellow on the planet.
I truly understand say the yarns don pass you but you can't stop bkos pokenosing is your second name. Even sef ndi Igala I kporo atupughuru gi onu...showing how far in the dirt you've sunk into
Why not go and sniff out the next Igbo thread you'd fall into instead of making mockery of yourself here

There's no need again to invade the Gambia

hammerF:
Nice one, make him carry am go google translate since he love igbo.

The efulefu dey form say em sabi Igbo... Em no sabi say na laugh I just dey laff am since

hammerF:
Idoma are suffering in Benue under the Tiv, did u see how long it took their tiv gov to visit over agatu?

Naturally, Idoma and Igala should have been placed together in a state. They are about the same size, language is closer.

Their combined population is just three million. All we need to do is guarantee their independence for them,and they'd secure the North for us..kapish!

laudate:
Hehehe.... so this is your new angle? Ok, at least you have stopped your refrain of how the "Great Igbo will support Igala to guarantee their 'independence,' when no such discussion was held by the two groups.

After you realised your folly was exposed, you changed your tune to start singing about diplomatic relations between the Igbo and Igala. Grandpa, everyone can spot your tactics a mile off. You are now trying to use the excuse of diplomatic relations, to attach your ethnic group to the Igala, by force. God dey!

Laudate...i zuzukariala

Kam tie ya ebe nti chiri gi
Anyi, bu oke oha Igbo nēkwu si na anyi gēchekwa nwereonwe ndi Igala,chebe ha n'aka ndi Odua gācho imagide ha[dika OhaNjiko Amerika nēmere Vomoza n'ikpe ha na Chinko]. Ihnye anyi agaghi enye nza bu ha ibanye otu Odua obula nihi na udi ihnye a gākpota ndi agha anyi iji la ala ha n'iyi

Keep wailing bro!

hammerF:
Igala will never go with them. Those guys are think eastward.


Igala and Idoma are either middlebelt or Biafra, so are the Ijaws.

I'd prefer the Igala and the idoma unite to form a state under the rule of the Ata. They'd keep out the northern barbarians while we'd guarantee their independence from external aggression

laudate:
Eeyah.... you land-grabbers are at it again! Diplomatic relations, kwa! Why must you people always attach yourselves by force to other ethnic groups, ehn? Do you know how ridiculous you sound each time you bring up this imaginary alliance with the Igala people?

Do you know how pathetic you look taking panadol over diplomatic relationship btwn the Great Igbos and their Igala kith and the best you could come up with is "landgrabber"?? Granny pls next time remind me to put you in the trashbin where you belong
Landgrabber ko, landcruiser ni

laudate:
[s]It is ok. Everyone knows your intelligence is sadly limited.[/s]

You're still wailing over diplomatic relations btwn the Great Igbo Nation and the Grand Duchy of Igalaland
Ndo

O sukaosu nnwa mkpi ya biko sugbuo ya...selense

laudate:
Haba, but you are the one wailing over the Igala people, nah. Your tears have formed a pool round your feet and everyone is beginning to laugh at your clueless remarks. Your new refrain is that : "We the Great Igbo Nation would always guarantee the independence of the Igala..." when you have not even been able to guarantee the independence of your proposed republic called Biafra. Why do you enjoy exposing your people to ridicule like this??

That was too poor of an attempt!
Try again later