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ehikwe22:
Dein is not a title in most , it's the name for all the royal household. People from the royal family are the modern. Onitsha is Anioma, that's the reason they use it. . Dee is different from Dein. What does dee or dee dee mean in Aba/Owerri?! You people just picked similarities in words and formulate nonsense

You're an incoherent fellow...just look at the nonsense you wrote,I even thought it was gerg. In fact go back to bed

Cire80:
Because the typical Onitsha indigenes don't call themselves Igbo. Even now that Igbo is all around them and they're in the South East, some of them still don't like to be called Igbo.

Pls can you differentiate btwn typical and atypical Onicha indigenes?

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There is no king in Igbo land that uses the Obi title. Obi doesn't mean king in Igbo language.

Obi doesn't mean King in Igbo.. Don't know where you got that notion from. The Igbo for King is Ezè. As regards the first part of this quote,I'd not treat it bkos you look like those who fail exams despite so many examples.

It's only recently you see some adding Obi so so and so, Eze of so so and so. Now they're even borrowing Ada and Ebeni from us

I'd concede this point partially to you.. The only Eze we had in Igboland before the British came were the EzeNri, EzeAro and the EzeOgwuta...all the others from Agbor in the West to Itigidi in the East were all Obis. Any other Eze aside these three are impostors

All the Kingdoms that use Dein/Dei are Anioma people. Dein originated from Agbor and it's in use all over Ika and some Anioma area

Guy like I said stop making statements you can't back bkos the last time I checked,the only Dein is that of Agbor. Those other deins are they in your parlor

Recently, I started seeing some Igbo write nonsense about what Dei means in Igbo. Dei doesn't mean in Igbo but you people tried to ascribe Igbo meaning to it but it's dead on arrival. How can you say Dei is from di anyi? They are not even close at all. This is the ridiculous meaning you guys ascribed to it

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You're the same person who ascribed the meaning "di anyi" to it at times I wonder at the kinda useless allegations you make here. I gave you a chart
Dein(Agbor)=Dei(Onicha)=Dee(Aba) which means as you go from Agbor to Onicha to Aba the pronunciation changes from Dein>Dei>Dee

It's like saying Igbanke is from Igbo akiri when it's well known that Igbanke is coined from the names of the two largest villages of Igbontor and Ake. Some people here some time ago wrote about how Agbor was founded by Omini Eze Ijie from Umuleri because the name of Agbor was Ominijie. Ominijie is an Edo name. Doesn't have anything to do with your imaginary Omini from Aguleri. Ain't you guys ever tired of propaganda

Seriously you've issues oo...concerning the bold why don't you take it up with the Dein,Obi ikenchuku keagboriezi rather than disturb us here with it as if we were there when he gave the interview to the so called Niger Delta budget group or so

Are you arguing about igala culture in Anioma land

Regarding this, to be frank with you I don't bother myself with "ozun" I deal with vibrant issues not something that's going to die out soon

gerg:
What business does Akaraka has to do with Anioma? Do you even know what you're talking about?

You've not heard of akaraka/akalaka He fled Benin around the same time as Eze Chima and founded the current Ogba and Ekpeye tribes. That's the guy ikweres say makes them Bini
Too bad all you guys do is just claim and claim without nothing serious to back it up..maybe you think we're all dunces

[quote author=Cire80 post=52729658

You are wrong again. Some people say Obi is a corrupt form of the Edo word, Ovbi which may be true. Obi is not an Igbo title and Obi doesn't mean king in Igbo language

You and concoctions again,OK...what does "ovbi" mean in Bini?? How can you say that Obi isn't an Igbo title when almost all the traditional rulers in Anioma and Anambra states use it as their titles??

No Igbo village uses the Obi title

. Go and say it to all Ika clans aside Agbor that use Obi title...that's even far,come to Abō that's within my LG and tell their king his title isn't Obi go to the Adama country where all their rulers excluding Eze Nri use Obi and say this BS

Any Igbo you see putting Obi after Eze is a recent invention

I wonder where you got this particular piece of info from...probably one of your Bini induced psychosis

Dein is not an Igbo name. Dein and dei are not even close at all. Another concoction. Tell me what dei means in Igbo. Dein originated from Agbor Kingdom. Not even Bini and all Ika area use that word. Any Igbo town you see using that word borrowed from Agbor.

Osim
Dei and Dein are the same thing...the only difference is nasalization. Dein in Agbor is same as Dei in Onicha also same as Dee in Aba. They're all the same thing...moreover Dein didn't originate from agbor,this present king switched his title from Obi of Agbor to Dein of Agbor in reverence of the founder of the present ruling house whose name was also Dein. Its similar to King Felipe of Spain waking up tomorrow and saying that his title will now be Philip Bourbon of Spain in honor of Philip who founded the Spanish Bourbon dynasty
All other Ika use Obi as their title.. Just like their brothers allover Anioma and Anambra state

Edo influence in AniomaIka encompasses allsome spheres from language ×, culture and customs ×, kingship √, chieftancy √, all traditions ×(some not all), music and dancea ×, traditional attire √, way of life √, world view ×, cuisine and food ×, traditional believe system √½, cultural heritage √½, religion √½, mythology √, ancestry × and every other ways . There are many festivals in Anioma but Iwaji is the only Igbo festival in my place

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Look at the amount of fallacious fallacies you've made...you should've also denied too that iwa ji is Igbo too na

It's true that the Igala influence is wanting but Igala customs and traditional still exist in many Anioma villages. Even some Igala festivals are celebrated in many Anioma villages

Dodo can you name them please Don't just make unsubstantiated facts here

There is no prove of any reverse migration in Anioma land. [s]That is just a term invented by Igbo land grabbers looking for people to claim[/s]. All migration story and oral traditions in Anioma land indicate where there founders came from and I don't remember any that said anything about reverse migration. If there was reverse migration, the people would know. Now that it's not in our oral tradition, you as an outsider can't come out and start speculating it

If your Bini ancestors could come and grab Anioma land in the name of "conquest",how sure are we that you their descendants won't try or are not even grabbing our land currently Kos the rate you guys now try to rewrite Anioma history to fit your Bini psychosis is becoming alarming. Igbos were never conquerors, we Oru people never had stories of Igbos coming to conquer us so I wonder where you get your Igbo land grabbing stories from... Probably you're trying to project your bad attributes to us,isn't it?
Anyway just know you've failed already

gerg:
Ezechime is a corrupted name. The natives say their founders are from Bini. They never talked about reverse migration. You want to tell me that you know their history more than them? There is nothing like Reverse migration and Igbo aborigines. This is another mere speculation from the Igbos to claim land. and besides, only few Anioma communities are from Ezechime.

Is akaraka Bini too?
The Bini are just too desperate to claim Anioma but thank God our people are speaking up. This Bini appetite for our land is just too voracious

Cire80:
there's no aboriginal movement by the Igbo in Anioma. If there is any upper hand, it's population. Igbos population and influence is far far higher than Edo's and Igala's put together. And Igbos are known for exporting their language and culture wherever they go. And colonialism, Christianity and music, movies have a role to play.

Osim
You're still up with these emotional stuffs you're writing
Considering Anioma as a whole..there are three main influences viz Igbo, Igala, Edo. Comparing these three influences, we can see that
1] Edo: its influence is mainly in the cultural sphere, thats why you see that almost all the titles excluding Obi or Deìn are Bini in name.the personal names of the people are Igbo together with their customs like Iwa ji.the only identifiable Edo group are the Oza who form part of agbor township.
2] Igala: its influence is mainly in trade..most of them came as traders who traded along the Ohimiri river.this made them establish settlements along the banks of the Niger especially North of Onicha. That's why if you look closely,you'd notice that nobody South of Onicha or Asaba claims to have Igala origins.
3] Igbo: its influence was in practically in all spheres..they were the aborigines there,even then some of our fathers went to Idu to live and later came back in the 15th century. It was these returnees that imposed Idu political systems on the Igbo aborigines.titles like Iyase, Isama;concepts like ehi/ahi were brought back by these Igbo returnees from Idu.

Unfortunately due to the nature of these interactions, its no brainer that Igala influences disappeared by the turn of the 20th century while Edo influence is on its way out too. Apart from the Oza, who are Edo in all respects just like the Ishan,every other thing in Anioma is built on a solid Igbo base,that's why when the wind of time blows,every other attachment to Anioma fades away

gerg:
[s]I'm Anioma and I know the history of my people. 90% Anioma generally and 99% in Ika axis. GIve me your own statistics.[/s]

Give us verifiable stats bro not what you pulled outta thin air

gerg:
[s]90% of Anioma migratory stories traces their origin to Bini. All your talks of aborigine is mere speculation and concoction. I never seen anybody bring out solid prove to igbo aborigines in Anioma area. All the oldest Anioma kingdoms said they came from Bini. So you want to tell me Anioma people don't know where their founders come from[/s]?

I don't particularly like it when ignorant folks make sweeping generalizations... What's 90%
Moreover their case is a case of reverse migration.. They went to Idu earlier before the 15th century and had to remigrate when Ewuare(r1440-1473) started his madness. That's why almost all of them have identifiable Igbo names from ezechima to akaraka...compare their case to that of the ishan who left in the 14th century or the Urhobo/Isoko who left in the 11th century during the Ogiso period. You'd see that unlike the Igbo remigrants, the Ishan and Urhobo have clear Edoid names.
Moreover, the Igbos who came out from Idu met already existing Igbo populations West of the Ohimiri river...all they did was to impose Bini political systems on those already existing Igbo populations, aside the political systems every other thing in Anioma is Igbo

BiafranPound:
international community will be present to monitor it

You're too dull my friend... Can't you perceive his afonjaic scent from afar?

Billyonaire:
You might not see the connotation, but I see the smartness of a fellow who knows how the world works. When Biafra is seen as an ideology, as a religion, and is registered in the consciousness of the people. Not even the Devil can stop them. If Biafrans escalate the ideological propaganda to reach even a million people, then it starts getting interesting. Some Biafrans may decide to become matyrs of Chukwu Okike Abiama. I am just saying.

Not quite farfetched

BudeYahooCom:
yorubas can't just help smelling like yorubas. You don't need a good sense of smell to detect that their odoriferous characteristic afonja smell from 100 miles away. They just can't help it . No matter how long they pretend.

That afonjaic scent!

Cire80:
You and your brothers have selective blindness but others that are reading our comments with an unbiased mind know who knows the history better between you and me. They also know the imposter is. And who is being more balanced in his comments.

Akuko uwa
You that claim to be an Ika has failed to prove to everyone here how proud of an Ika are you...moreover I've never claimed to be Ika... So I wonder where the tag "impostor" is coming from...maybe you really are the impostor afterall its not the first time am seeing Bini claim to be Ika, and probably it'd not be the last,but I assure you that true Ikas with the support of the other Anioma sons like me and the wider Igbo community would always crush your likes
Moreover I don't deal on emotions... I deal with reality

Billyonaire:
The cap is an invention, Biafra is being re-engineered as a branch of Judaic race of Jehovah of the Annunaki's Dynasty. Yet another trick in the bucket of extreme lucid programming. A tool to conjur questions in the mind of the people. Question: "What cap is that ?" Answer: Oh, the cap is won by the lost tribe of Israel called Igbos, a loosely translated word for Hebrews or Hibirus from Nibiru.

Comic Relief: If Igbos are truly Hebrews, then we need not wonder why they love money. These guys fly across the Constellation of Orion across our Milky Way Galaxy, down to our solar system just for gold and other precious stones. Common, its DNA. If Nigeria lets Igbos go, then the light of Israel as departed from Nigeria. It could be why Igbos are forced to remain in Nigeria. Without the Igbos in Nigeria, imagine how the country will be. Thank God I am Niger Deltan. I go join them...

I so ndi a nāko Anunakki?

Yoshy:
Op correct your topic, meanwhile it's called skullcap or kippa; which signifies that G-d is always above us and we are under his authority.

Is it the one they call yarmulke?

Nnia Nwaodo can be a radical at times but he should know that 80% of Igboland have embraced a new reality.. All he needs to do is key into that reality.

Uteghe:
The case is between Ndigbo and Kanu,not me. [s]I can only speak for the 98% of Igbos that don't want Biafra[/s].

When a non Igbo pulls facts outta thin air...thats more like 5% not 98%

SmartyPants:
Since when did journalists become legal professionals to be able to determine whether or not the ruling was in fact preposterous? i bet 90% of those reading cannot even grasp the core issue here: Nnamdi Kanu was not denied an open trial but the identity of witnesses has been shielded to offer them protection. For his outburst i really do hope he was held in contempt of court.

You cannot be a one-man revolutionary. History tells us that a revolutionary leader is the child of a popular movement of people but a man who is trying to birth a revolution (a violent one at that) on his own is an insurrectionist and must be dealt with.

But Broz oo...
Like seriously NK is correct... Buhari accused him on State TV before the Nation, so its only rational that he be tried in the open. People testifying against him should be seen by the public bkos buhari with those accusations on TV made it that his trial can no longer be secret or a private affair

BornStunner1:
THE ANIOMA HAVE WHAT THE IGBOS NEVER HAD AND WILL NEVER HAVE.....

CLASS...PRIDE.... TRADITION TRACING DOWN TO THE GREAT BENIN EMPIRE...

WHO WANTS TO SOCAILIZE WITH A PPL HUMILATED AND BATTERED FROM A CIVIL WAR THEY BROUGHT ON THEMSELVES OUT OF GREED!!

Too bad
You're very brilliant in Bini history but coming to Anioma history you're a complete ìtì...as in eh you know nothing there. You and Cire80 are in the same boat even though you're a bit better than him

blues20:
Chai!! see land grabbing. So you mean Asaba that is Igbo both tongue and culture is Edoid?

You dey mind these Idu people
Claiming everything in sight as if it'd reverse the catastrophe of 1897

Wulfruna:
Cire80 was right. He said you were going to twist this.

I have been on this forum long enough and have seen your comments long enough to know you have no connnection to Anioma. You are from Imo-Abia axis as your comments bear witness. You only started calling yourself Anioma on the other thread, much to my puzzlement because no be today I don dey see you for this forum.

You better go and start wiping your history, because when I have time i will start digging them up. Including one comment where you clearly insinuated that you are NOT from Delta.

Nne biko go and start digging joor
I'd call it operation burst cheruv
Flood the thread with your results... Or better still create a thread so that everyone can see that cheruv is an impostor
From what am seeing its gonna be interesting... At least lemme bask in the expected popularity you'd be giving me
Biko when's the show starting... Do I've to wait or should I start coming

RedboneSmith:
I have lived in Abakiliki for a long time, and I have never started a sentence with "as an Izii man..." No one writes like, except someone who is trying to tell you that that is what he is by tribe. An Ohuhu living in Aba will never say, "As an Ngwa man...", an Echie man in Port Harcourt will never say, "As an Ikwerre man..." What you may hear is "As an Aba boy" or "as a PH boy", indicating ties to the particular city he was raised in. That you did not write "as an Aba boy", but instead wrote "As an ukwangwa" speaks volumes. So that line about you living there a long time blah blah is an attempt at saving face after being caught impersonating. It's okay, we get it. This debate is important to you and you want to win.

Where in Ndokwa East are you from sha? I speak the dialect of that axis pretty decently. Let's communicate in vernacular.

De ele odi, nwene malu?

Well,you're right and wrong at the same time
My mother is an ukwangwa...I was born there...and I've been there all my life except for since last year I've been at owerre.
So you can say am like Nzeogwu...he's from okpanam but his behavior and language isnt different from the Hausa man next to him.
All these stuffs made me feel proud to start on that premise.."as an ukwangwa..bla bla bla"
Normally I don't usually involve myself in Anioma issues even though as one, I knew I had to be kept abreast of developments at home. But this trend of Idu people speaking up for Anioma and claiming rubbish, thereby making look stupid not only before Eastern Igbos but other Nigerians got me all worked up bkos as a campaigner for Anioma state, I've seen that all these useless identity issues we're having isn't helping at all.
Like I told ehikwe on the other side, am free as long as Igbo issues are concerned to claim West or East bkos I've equal stakes on both sides of the Ohimiri river

Afriifa:
i rather love a yoruba man, who i have been living peaceful with. (ondo ijaws) than support and ibo man who will backstab me latter on. Why not agitate for your republic without mentioning oils, are the five states in sout-east too small for a new country.

Thanks for accepting your Yoruba nature
Now vamoose!!!

Cire80:
thanks. I saw this yesterday and I laughed in my mind because it only confirmed what I already knew. The reason I didn't confront him with it is because I knew he would twist it like he always does. That's what him and his brothers are best at doing.

Thank God oo you didn't bkos I'd have been "forced" to disclose my part of Anioma.. But since ehikwe has thrown it to the public, everyone now knows am an ORU/OLU from ndokwa East.
Unlike you I've never claimed to be Ika...and I know the Ika are a proud nation,as orus we've had exchanges with them over the centuries and am really proud of them.
You claim to be Ika... Yet you know nothing about them,I know how many times the other Bini boy corrected you on your ignorance.the best thing I've seen you do is trying to be more Bini than Oba Ewuare
Moreover my mother is an ukwangwa...so as long as its an issue concerning Igboland, I can either claim East or West as it pleases me.

Wulfruna:
"As an UkwaNgwa." Amazing! I wish I had this power to change identity as I like. On this thread you're Ukwa-Ngwa. On the other thread you are Anioma. Brilliant!

Cire80
ehikwe22
gerg

Did you guys see this thread/comment?

(Oh, Ukwa-Ngwa is in Abia State... in case you guys aren't familiar with the term.)

Very amazing indeed
Well having lived in Aba for quite a longtime, don't you think I've the right to claim to be from there
Too bad despite being a woman you don't know these things

ehikwe22:
How are you sure they are Anioma? I know many Igbo people here claiming Anioma origin but I don't think any Bini would do that because most Bini people don't even give a sht about this subject. It's only you people that label any Anioma person trying to put straight the history of his people Anioma. Even go to the extent of calling him a recent Bini migrant out of ignorance as if Anioma is divided between Bini and Igbo migrants.

This guy below is an example of imposters.

Is that the best you can come up with to discredit me?
Anyway for the records am an ORU/OLU from ndokwa East but I lived in Aba for a long time. So I relate with the two Igbo mentalities, the mentality of the SE Igbo and the mentality of the SS Igbo.
Its been long I travelled to Anioma but I make sure I keep abreast with developments at home and Anioma in general

ikechu1:
Leave him. Don't know why this people won't just leave us alone. Sometimes I wonder wtf the edos want from anioma and why they just won't stop. Honestly, my pride is how much the internet articlesand books from anioma sons and daughters are coming out. Hopefully, they'll learn what their ancestors couldn't do in the past, you can't do now. You failed in the past, you'll fail again.

Don't mind them...before they had only Anioma to deal with, now they've Anioma plus Anambra, Imo, Rivers, Abia, Enugwu and Ebonyi to deal with.
I think we should set up a scheme that'd ensure the complete eradication of all Edo influences among us,so that these people won't see anything to latch on to start claiming Anioma.
The thing tire me

ikechu1:


You except an edo wey be land thief accept the person his ancestors and people have been failing miserably to steal their land no want am. Of course n.a. SE I go be for his eyes. He needs a reason to continue his land stealing and history rewriting.

How the mighty fell. I thought they hit rock bottom when yoruba are even fighting with them about origin but then they surprised me with repeated attache by force to Anioma. Poor things

Nna ehh
From the way the Cire80 guy was responding, I started having this feeling that he's not Anioma. I still gave him benefit of the doubt but all he did was prove my guts right.
So many times here his Bini brother had to correct him as regards some ignorant claims he made. What convinced me finally was when I asked him the nature of Bini influence on the war,you can see the shabby and incoherent responses he gave
At times I wonder why these Idu boys can't leave Anioma alone!!!

Cire80:
1. [s]The Ekumeku war wasn't going on non stop for 3 decades. Before the Ikas and Ishans could send soldiers to go help Bini out, there definitely should be little or no battle going on in Ika land during that period.

2. The early 1980s was a very turbulent period for Ika and Bini. Like I said earlier, the relationship between Ika and Bini was a love hate relationship with lots of revolts coming from the Ika people against the Binis. The Ikas and Edos were constantly having problems and settling just like brothers do. The Oba of benin wouldn't have sent soldiers to help a revolting Ika people. I will use the case of a father and son as an example. If you have a father that's too disturbing and you as his son is very stubborn, a trait you probably got from him, do you think it's possible for you to work together? He will eventually run away one day and should something happen to him, it will be to at your discretion to send help to him or not.

3. After Idu was was sacked, Bini people became friendly to the British and Bini people were sent to Agbor district (later Ika District) as representatives. This was around 1990s. Out people were constantly having problems with these Bini people and some were even killed. Ika people became antagonistic to the Edos and the British, this almost saw the Edos and the British on one side and Ika and other Aniomas on the other side. This further explains the constant fighting and settling and the love hate relationship I talked about. And also the Bini/Agbor/Owa politics I talked about.

4. Don't be a straight line thinker. All events have reasons why they happen and you can't understand all explain all reasons. That the Ishans surroundered doesn't mean the Ikas should do same.

5. This number 5 is the most ridiculous question and you don't expect me to answer that. Very amusing[/s].

Too poor....very poor response filled with emotions rather than logic and am very convinced you're not Ika!!!
You're one of these Bini boys parading as Ika
You say no 5 is ridiculous Just take a look at your answers from one to four,masquerading under a thinly veiled Bini ID
You're not Ika...Ikas are a proud people and they're not Edo. The only relationship btwn Ika and Idu is the conquest of 1577 and the subsequent colonization of Ali Ika.
Guy, stop claiming Anioma and using that to make Western Igbos look confused before other Igbos and other Nigerians. Your kind of people have caused enough damage as it is to the Anioma cause and we won't take it anymore from your likes

Cire80:
Where's this madman coming from?

He's not a madman bro...he's a well known Anioma son

Cire80:
Actually, it's surprising when I start seeing the Igbos trying to take glory for the Ekumeku war. They were never part of the war but now I see them taking glory for it. The Binis gave the British s a very hard time so also the Aniomas. We the Ikas has been described as the most warlike /warrior like part of Anioma region by many historians. I think the British /Edo war saw more British casualties than Anioma /British war but the fact that Anioma was able to sustain the war for such a very long time coupled with the sense of brotherliness and oneness of the Anioma makes it a thing of pride for us.

[s]I was told the Ekumeku war became fiercest after some Ika and Ishan soldiers that jointly trained to go help Bini returned without fighting any battle because the war ended abruptly before they got there[/s]. This's part of the reason I was telling Cheruv of Bini influence in the Ekumeku war.

The Ika were already engaged in the ekumeku like ten years before the British sacked Idu. Lemme ask you some questions
1]why'd Ika soldiers leave the ekumeku war they were engaged with the British and then send aid to Idu,when princely states of the ekumeku military alliance were not finding the war easy?
2]if Idu had some influence like you claimed(unlike Benin, Nri wasn't a military power but a religious one,similar to the papacy of Igboland), why didn't they send reinforcements for the 10+ years the ekumeku war had been on before the sack of Benin in 1897?
3]if Idu had any influence like you claimed,why did the war go on for another 17 years after Idu was sacked by Britain?
4]why didn't the Ika surrender like the ishan did when Idu was sacked but rather they kept on fighting?
5]if you deny Nri influence, why did Anioma resistance collapse suddenly after the disgrace of 1911? Before 1911 the British were not making any headway in the war but suddenly started making headway after 1911,what changed the equation??
Can you gimme honest,logical answers to my queries?

Joe82834:
Going tru ur comments bro.so u are saying a whole language was completely replaced.don't u think its actually possible they ve always had d language but once ruled by d gr8 Bini empire.u may have a point though,but how do u explain d names seeing that over 95% of their names are ibo names.there's no way it can just be attributed to igbonization.Even d kings title is obi,his name,so is his uncles names,cousins,relatives n so on. No quarrels pls,just a peaceful discourse

What you're saying is what I've been trying to point out to him...but his Bini bias won't allow him