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Michael547:
Lol....so you decide which part of the Bible is a lie and which one is true?

Yes, as I told you here

It is not like it is a scientifically or factually-binding book of knowledge in the sense you construe it even though it holds several factual information.

. So you see, you cannot even take the time to read for understanding or keeping things to mind. You target is argument.

So apostle Paul having a vision means his soul went out of his body? If yes, where does the Bible say so?

A simple tip is to quote my text, at least it will help with the retention issue...I suggest you go back and read what I wrote again.

Oga show me where the bible says that the soul goes to hell fire without the body na.

What does this even mean?

Michael547:
You claimed that Ezekie 18:4 was a lie.
So why should I believe your own reference to the Bible or your video?

The emboldened. It says nothing is admissible as far as your head is concerned neither did you show prospect if we are to present scientific work on the subject.

Talking about me saying Ezekiel was a lie (which I did), if my memory serves me right, I spoke about Paul telling you about visiting heaven without dying thereby negating the idea I meant the whole bible was a lie.

So you see, you are your own ignorance.

Where does the Bible teach that soul without the body cries in hell?
Please show me the verse.

I see...

You do not even know much about the Bible...

Michael547:
Oga I have showed you religiously with a religious book that the soul dies.

And I 'showed you' religiously with a video that soul never dies.

The only thing you've done on this thread is to tell me to trust you with your words.

Quote where asked you or attach screenshot.

You've provided no evidence whatsoever.

Here is one using one you are familiar with:

According to the Bible, believers and sinners are going to:

1: Live for ever with God

2: Live forever in hell crying and gnashing their teeths.

Respectively of course.

Michael547:
Oga your submissions in this thread is religious and not scientific.

It will be daybreak when you realize the meaning of the word "scientific"...

Show me where scientist proves scientifically that humans have a soul that does not die when they die.

...by that time, you will properly seek to redefine the emboldened.

After you're done, I may chose to admit and indulge you on 'science'...

To proceed, please confirm you have provided us with what looks like or is intended to be a "religious evidence" that humans have a soul that dies and you are now looking for a 'scientific evidence'?

Michael547:
You mean it is a scientific fact that people die and see the other side and come back to their body?

Please what scientific research proves that?

You can do better. Re-read my post, get the information I suggested you get, then see if you really need to ask this question.

The idea is ensure we're not casting things on certain biblical verses

Michael547:
Why have you proven this to only yourself?
Why is this your feat not a public knowledge to several people who can testify?

I see...

A simply widening of the horizons of your search or research will open a new vista of information for you. There are hundreds, if not thousands of scientific research and investigation on people who died, saw the other side and returned to their bodies. Just use Google...

Rhetorically: If you can reach any of the people from your search (on Google), try convincing them with a book written by people who didn't have same experience as them, who at most do not even know what they are talking about beyond being told or reading about it, that people really "die". Good luck with that.

Lol.....so aside the bible, we should just believe what you say right?

I am not sure where I said you should believe my experience. I believe I told you to prove for your self didn't I?

Michael547:
Lol.....so you mean there is no reliable source of this your information, you are actually banking on hearsay?

I see...
May be I should have told you I have proven this for myself countless times that I find it odd to hear someone saying Soul can be destroyed.

I thought giving you clues would open up the consciousness.

Please where does the Bible teach that soul is indestructible by Jehovah?

Again: If the Bible was a road that someone told me no vehicle passes, what I will do is look to the right, look to the left and then look right again. Aha, I see a vehicle passing...

Michael547:
Lol...ok....so where did you get the information that the soul does not die?

I was speaking to you about practically discovering that yourself the other day wasn't I?

With courage, you can do that too. You can go through the process of dying beholding your physical body on lying down.

If you can't, you must have heard how relatives of people who have supposedly died contacting hem with information even on how they want their burial to go or where they kept something that could help the family they left.

You can take those accounts as testaments to the reality of those who proved Soul does not only survive death, Soul is actually indestructible by even Jehovah of the Christians and the rulers above him.

Michael547:
So to cut the long story short. The idea that the soul dies in Ezekiel 18:4 is false. Yes or no?

Yes

Michael547:
So the bible is lying here right?

Lol. It isn't "lying".

At a time, the people who wrote the bible of the religion of Judaism which Christians used in their own bible thought the Sun revolved around the earth, when in fact it was the opposite. This is why the scientists called Galileo ran into trouble with the "bible" (Church). Is he trying to say the Bible was lying?, so they almost killed him for this when in fact he was telling them the truth.

They even thought the Sun actually 'rises' and 'sets'. They believed the earth had edges and people could fall off if they ventured too far. This believe lasted several thousand years making people in Europe not travelling to the Americas because they believed they will fall off the edge of the earth.

This is why Christopher Columbus's "discovery" of America is important for the white man. He discovered people don't fall of and he found a race of people they called the Red Indians.

Finding out that people existed in America gave rise to another question of "Is the bible lying?":

If God destroyed the earth via flood and only Noah's people and offspring populated the earth (which they believed where those from the middle east and Europe.), how did the people in this land have strange skins? who is their patriarch from Noah's genealogy? Noah had no red-skinned son...

The Bible for your information is a collection of books pooled from different backgrounds especially from the religion of Judaism and later letters and notes from people who associated themselves with Jesus Christ. It is not like it is a scientifically or factually-binding book of knowledge in the sense you construe it even though it holds several factual information.

This means it may contain information that will need more clarification or an outright correction for factuality.

Michael547:
Does Ezekiel 18:4 as shown in the screenshot below says that the soul dies? Yes or no?

If you extracted the lesson in the story I told you about Galileo I gave you earlier, perhaps you will see that it is one thing for something like a book to claim one thing and it is another for reality to show a different thing.

Michael547:
So do you mean that the soul does not die?

Yes. Do not take my word for it though. Prove for your self.
You can make a request to the Holy Spirit to show you the reality of that assertion.
If you do not believe In God, this is not a problem. There are many ways to explore the heavens that are so simple that they sound too simple to work.

One for instance is to just resolve before sleep that you want to discover anything in your dream. Keep a notepad in hand for when you awake.


This is how Eckists are trained to act. To Know, not believe.

onlyforchrist:
Okay. Will link up with you in any youth event.

Alright, do let me know any you will be attending. Thanks.

paxonel:
Three questions for you :

1. Is Eckankar and occult group like Ogboni and Amok?
I used to hear

No to the degree of the definition of a cult even in the Nigerian sense of it. Website is www.Eckankar.org, events and enrollment are public and open to any one to come and go as they wish.

2. Do you believe in the Christian bible?

Its an individual choice. Largely, Eckists accept biblical principles like that of unconditional Love. They however do not accept that anyone can carry your cross (Karma) as Christians like think it.

Eckankar teaches that Soul is eternal and came to existence as a result of the Supreme Deity apportioning complete and absolute unconditional love for Soul. Nothing Soul can do or undo to change that.

3. If you do believe it the bible, Can you briefly describe the science of soul travel you mentioned in your post using a biblical evidence?

Christians are largely cut out from anything heavenly exploration before 'death'. This to me is by design because the uncertainty about heaven actually is what holds what we call "church" today in place. If everyone can explore heaven and see what occurs when people shed the physical body during 'death', then the whole organization or movement will disband or will not function like what you have today.

The small exception to 'Soul Travel' in the bible where Paul mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:2 how he was "caught up" in the third heaven does not generate any interest from Christians largely due to lack of more or due to the fact that the Christian clergy cannot reproduce that event at will like some little children, Eckists, traditionalists, etc. So nothing much is discussed or preached to Christians about exploring outer space and dimensions of creation including the diverse heavens. They are made to wait for the "sweet bye and bye" which incidentally is here and now.

...using a biblical evidence? ...

Lastly, the Bible or any book including that in Eckankar is not necessarily the yardstick for truth. At a time, the man Galileo risked having his head cut of or burnt at the stake for heresy. Why? He stated something that the priests felt contradicted the Bible.

Another man called Christopher Columbus messed up the heads of the clergy after he 'discovered' some people in the Americas. The priests where confused as to how a race of red people could exists considering the story of Noah and the flood.

GoodJohn:
The article provides thoughtful insights

Thank you.

onlyforchrist:
Are you in Lagos?

Hi, no I am not.

*updated*

Bonus:

A story about travelling the other dimensions or heavens while being alive:

https://www.facebook.com/570581363011460/posts/pfbid0jtEsCAh8FnggQJrjK8jHpPybcCbAK2yQGpZQEX9DLHmstRDPDgrgZ2nU3Kjw44T2l/?app=fbl

Dying for many holds a lot of uncertainty; and a lot is left to guesses, assumptions and belief. Do we really "die" and is God going to burn people up?

This uncertainty as you must have seen happens to be an open invitation for many to rule the heads of many often through fear. Fear causes one to quickly 'lose guard' and leads to a submission...

These uncertainties are not necessary because man himself by default has the capability to extend his consciousness or awareness to those parts of himself which doubles as God or Heaven to see and experience heaven here and now and report to his fellow folks in the village about where their deceased uncle is and what he is doing or thinks. Heaven is not far off, its here and now all the while, and its not every religion that wants people to find about this because it will "cast" as we say in Nigeria...ala Pastor Abel Damina vs The Others...

This feat or process of the extension of awareness to locales is what in other climes is referred to as 'Eckankar'-The science of Soul Travel. It has many other names even in the mainstream scientific community.

It's ultimate purpose however is Self-realization (knowing your true self as spirit) and then God-realization ultimately. When this happens, never are you in doubt anymore of God's love for Soul (The real self), and you now KNOW and not believe. You become a mature Son of God.

The below video may or may not be useful for you regarding the possibilities that awaits those who Translate (died). In any case, I am just posting for posting sake, so you're welcome. Enjoy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NAzhqirHg

illicit:
E get one meat wey dem serve me for camp

Beef of course


That's the tastiest meat I ever ate till now

Someone told me it's Cows pussy...

Nairaland oooo

Lol

caye:
Karma & reincarnation.
Ever since the religions of Romans & Arabs became enthroned, they slowly put these natural forces into oblivion in our consciousness.

And man became so evil, believing that simply asking for forgiveness on death bed or building a mosque will wipe out all their evil deeds after death.

No it won't. You have to pay for your karma.

They knew what they were doing. They are stooges...

The makers are known as (Spiritually) 'Immature Souls'.

They come to earth thinking it's a free-for-all, not knowing when it all ends, they will be required to pay back.


They will come in another lifetime complaining of constantly being robbed or cheated.

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triplechoice:
Your problem is comprehension. I will keep telling you that .

Anyone, whether eckist or non eckist who focuses long enough on an image which is illusory ,like a cartoon character or even a real person,will certainly be drawn into experiencing it either in their dreams or waking state and having it influencing their behavior unconsciously. That's why eckist are asked to focus on the image of their masters or master. Some pentecostal Christians are ignorantly doing the same thing by either wearing the picture of their pastors on their neck or placing it somewhere in theirs cars. There's nothing wrong with this practice,but the question is what do you really know about the person whose picture you're focusing on.to influence your behavior
unconsciously?

" Where you place your attention is where you go to", And I said some of Eckankar"s spiritual exercises, not all, contain imageries and fantasy that pulls one into experiencing what's illusion. I don't expect you to accept this ,but that's the truth. Ex members of Eckankar who now know the truth behind those imageries imbedded in the spiritual exercises no longer experience what they used to experience before. It has completely seized.

Once you know the truth you automatically become free from lies and illusion. You're not ready to know the truth

. The bolded is a very stupid excuse to avoid providing evidence for your claims.

So, according to you, while mainstream scientists have the obligation to reveal their findings to the public for scrutiny, eckist on the other hand,shouldn't " go about trying to prove the technology of sound" which they practice secretly.

If what you're saying is true, then why did you open this thread in the first place to discuss it at all?

You only want to announce Eckankar" s technology as authentic but without any scientific support or evidence?

You just revealed why you're stuck with Eckankar. You're a true believer who just want to believe without evidence. Keep it up and I wish you good luck.


No. I don't think you have any idea of what you're doing. Sorry to say , you showing confusion.The subject matter of the op is ", the use of frequency against prayer" to heal cancer . You have refused to focus on that by explaining the science behind it as well as providing proofs of the number of people you have cured of cancer. You just said you don't need to prove it. That your followers should just believe you. I'm not as gullible as them , and so thanks.

3. I won't respond to your mentions of Tesla, Rife because they have nothing to do with your claims about Hu. They haven't announced they got inspiration for their inventions from singing Hu. The CIA mention is you clowing yourself. I'm very sure if we continue with this you would also mention, FBI KGB, Mossad conducting some scientific research which confirms Eckankar as a completely scientific religion.

3.. If you want to discuss expansion of consciousness, then please create a thread for that . For now, focus on the Op.
I haven't said Hu is not effective at all. Singing it the right way can certainly impact on the physical body and brain which can result in some healings. I know that from experience. But I'm saying that it's not completely scientific as you want your followers to believe.
The results you get from singing Hu is boosted from the amount of belief you place on the mantra and your level of expectations . Remember, it's not what you do that determines what you get but what you expect. This is they key to success and it's because of this people who sing it don't ever experience the same thing .

Just to let you know, Hu, is not Eckankar "s property or invention. Paul Twitchell, the founder of the religion hijacked it from elsewhere where' it's originally sung as Hoooooooo instead of huuuuu. I believe you don't know this. But it doesn't matter how you sing it whether ,hooooo or huuuueee ,what matters is your level of concentration,the intensity with which you sing, and the amount of belief , (which is the most important),you place on the mantra. .

Hu is not the only thing you can sing if you understand how it works. You can sing aum ,ra love, even your name, the one you create yourself,or anything that resonates with you
But Eckankar has placed Hu above all sounds which is very unfortunate. Like I explained before,no sound is the ultimate or contains everywhere other sound. Any sound people make has it's own unique frequency and that's why you can easily pick out the voice of a friend from a crowd of people even when you're yet to site them physically.


Drop this beef talk and focus on the main thing. This thread is not about Eck masters but the Hu which you claim is more effective than prayers and it's completely scientific practice . I believe your followers are eagerly waiting for you to provide evidence of how you cured someone of any illness. You're disappointing them . I'm very sure of that.

, BTW, you said up there that you're not expected to provide any proof. So what are now saying here?

Liars must have good memories.




It's very unfortunate you choose to lie. You quoted me because you said I rejected the claim that Eckankar is completely scientific path or religion.
Go back to the beginning see it, and hope you don't go to edit it to match with your present narrative . I noticed in the other thread, you went back to edit what was contained in the Op long after the discussion had ended. So I don't trust you not to do the same.

Okay

triplechoice:
. I can now finally confirm you have serious comprehension problems. I never said people don't have inner experiences. I said so, but that some Eckankar" s spiritual exercises can pull one into illusion due to the images and fantasy they contain.

We will see about comprehension...

If you struggle to understand what I just explained clearly, there's nothing I can do to help you. I'm talking about Eckankar "s spiritual exercises and not what "billions" of others are doing elsewhere.

So having excluded the billions of others when talking about the science of perception in subjective experiences, this make this law excludes Eckists. Those gotten when a spiritual exercise of Eck is used are invalid. Nice one.

This means when scientific bodies like the Monroe Institute in collaboration with the CIA run a Hemisync session and get an inner experience, it's valid. When an Eckists run same technology as Hemisync (Sound) and get same or even better experience l, its "fantasy" and "illusion" (the type only you will live to define).


I do salute your persistence at self-delusion because I just stripped you of your antics above.

You the one who has been misrepresenting me in order to escape from the simple task of providing evidences for the people whose illnesses you have cured with the sound vibrations you generate from singing Hu. That's what your op seeks to promote ; frequency over the use of prayers.
You have a poor understanding what of they teach you in Eckankar and no wonder you have explaining nonsense.

This oneis really cheap. We have two different groups here:

The Monroe Institute, Rife, and the bloke whose Instagram presentation I showed you. Those are completely unrelated and not affiliated with Eckankar.

Second group: Eckankar.
They are not out to go about trying to prove the technology of Sound despite being relative pioneers at that.

The idea of this whole thread is to let people know that the idea of using Sound is not just mythical or religious venture as one would assume in the case of Eckankar.

The thread drew very clear and unambiguous parallel between science (CIA, Monroe, Rife and many nother scientific bodies) as far as the use of sound for expansion of consciousness and also healing of physical and subtle bodies

The bolded is the parallel you will waste your effort at blurring.

If there is a scientific body as the one which went about testing Buddhist monks in how they are able to generate body heat without any external input was interested, they could conduct this tests with Eckists and place the information for you to Google and see.

That such research isn't available online except via personal interaction with Eckists who have used the HU to do things that even the CIA would marvel at doesn't take anything away from the HU sound/frequency! What is cancer oga?

Wait who said the information is not available? It very much is and I posted it whoe you wasted your energy in telling the world that science had not placed Eckists/ECk Masters under a microscope, hence, they are false, yet you conceded that science hadn't laid hance on the technology to understand certain things.

The bolded is gibberish nonsense. You just put words together and don't care if it makes sense or not. Material sciences means natural sciences. You have a casual understanding of what you're talking about.

Oh I get it completely. It lends scientific credence to Eckankar and you like it. No be by force sha.

Provide your own demonstrations of sound technology before sharing videos of what others ,who don't sing Hu ,are doing elsewhere. You are selling Hu to the public as a better alternative to prayers,but refusing to provide videos of people singing it to cure cancer .

Oh I did. Check Benodic's posts and mine. You will see many. Check "Meet the Eck Masters" thread. You will see them. You just won't bring yourself to realize the needful

See, it's not like it's wrong to beef any Eck master or call out a teaching, but when you come to see new information which points to an apparent lack of understanding of things, you should be humble enough to correct yourself. It's okay though if you won't do that publicly.

I don't have any beef against Eckankar. If I had , I wouldn't say some of the good things I have said about it. If you want to meet with people having serious beef against Eckankar, search online you certainly will come across people insulting Harold and condemning everything about Eckankar. I separate myself from such people. If not that you mentioned me on this thread I wouldn't have participated. I already decided to give your space but you don't want to reciprocate that.

Fine

If Eckankar is working for you,good. Enjoy yourself but be honest about how you present it to the public. Claiming it's completely scientific is deception. A religion described as the religion of the light and sound of God can never be completely scientific.

It will be a folly to try to convert anyone to Eckankar who is disenchanted or not interested in it.

That said, you were quoted on the simple grounds that you may see the thread that runs along the verbal HU Sound/frequency generators vs those who use machine sto do same. A purely scientific discussion, it was unfortunate you wouldn't let your apparent prejudice let you see road.

I'm saving this here.

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triplechoice:
You really take delight in representing me.

Or is comprehension your problem?

I never dismissed all of inner experiences as false , but said the bulk of the inner experiences eckist report and rely on as foundation for their faith is influenced by the images and fantasy attached to some of the spiritual exercises.

Not true at all. Billions of people who do not even know that there is a place called "Inner World" have better experiences than some Eckists and are mostly confused than appreciate or want more.

The images you focused on is the doorway leading to what you experience. And if the image is a false one , what do you think you would experience?

My job is to put into better perspectives your misrepresentations of things as far as the metaphysics or correctness of your assertions are concerned:

If someone fantasize or imagine anything, they are actually coming to terms with something existing. You don't like Eckankar word for such information, so I can recommend scientific work confirming this. No one is really or can create anything again in life. Nothing is ever new.

I repeat again, if you didn't quote me there's no way I would have gotten involved in this thread .

Whatever you think Eckankar is , enjoy yourself and stop dragging me into unnecessary discussion that leads to no where.

I think if not for your stance on anything Eckankar, the discussion did led to us seeing that Sound is and had been used to do marvelous things as a technology be it machine-assisted or biologically in the case of Eckists, Buddhists, Sufi moslems, etc who employ it.

We also learnt that there is nothing like "Material Science" as it where, because nothing is "Material" in the light of advanced knowledge.

We learnt that machines can actually accomplish what humans do as in the case of 'Hemisync' selling HU sounds to achieve brain hemispheric synchronization towards achieving mystic experiences like OBE, Manifestation, Peace of mind, Healing etc just as Eckankar proposes thereby merging science with religion or mysticism.

The videos of people playing sounds destroying cancer and the other animating matter into coherent geometrically perfect shapes lends credence to Sound technology. It was an eye-opener for people who wouldn't want to admit it.

It peeled the layer of the onions of perception and understanding for many on this thread who came without a prior beef.

Cheers!

triplechoice:
Hehehe. You have now turned to questioning by past involvement in eckankar after failing to provide scientific support for your outlandish claims.

1. If you have the courage, which I don't think you have, to leave eckankar , what you stand to gain after ,is much more than what you think you would miss . I don't miss anything I'm only grateful for what I learnt both good and bad.That's all.

This man, you think you're talking to your child .
Anyways lol , I have left it several times in my past lives. I am sure past lives are not "scientifically possible" so I give up

Contrary to what you have been made to believe ,the Hu is not the primal sound behind all sound. That claim was a lie concocted by Paul Twitchell to promote Hu as the ultimate so eckist can take pride they're doing the right thing and put their heart to It. It's simple psychology. If you're made to accept that something is the best, you tend to go for it while abandoning others . It's not different from "Jesus is the only way"My mantra is the only way " The same kind of lie told differently.

The claim about the Hu is not scientifically possible.No sound can be behind all sound because each sound gives out its own unique frequency or vibration when produced.So ,It's all empty talk to deceive the gullible. Have you conducted any scientific experiment to determine the truthfulness about what you have told about Hu. No. You haven't. You just believe as a true believer.

I was sure you would typically mention that HU is not the primal sound. It was a big let-off revealing some ignorance on the physics of the very fringe of what scientists call the String Theory.

A dead giveaway on how it is scientifically possible to have a primal sound is how a guitar string produces different sounds when transposed. I won't blame you, be rest assured that science will reach there.

You remember how in the Eck works this keeps getting mentioned that science will catch up with spiritual stuff? Like spiritual cities on earth and so on?

2. You created a thread titled " The science Why eckist don't pray" and quoted me . I responded to your mention by asking for the science and its explanation.

From that time till now, never for once have you answered the question directly.

The inventions by Tesla and the investigation carried out by the CIA into the paranormal doesn't validate your claim about singing Hu .

But If you think they' do, good for you. I'm not accepting it. It's your choice want you to accept and deceive yourself with.

Yea, that's the best for you. Do not accept it

Just focus on the Op and stop making wild guesses and wayward speculations about my past involvement with Eckankar . You imagine or you have been told that no one can abandon the religion after having certain nner experience with the master.The same thing I once believed with all my heart is what you want to use against me . You make me laugh.

Imagine what? You were giving yourself off and I was seeing things as they are man, and this was about your comments about the HU which Eckankar never made claim of owning. More so on your apparent ignorance of the existence of scientific evidence on the dynamics of Sound Technology be it soft or hard.

Who said people don't leave Eckankar? Do you have a contract to never leave or what? What are you saying really?

I really don't want to let you in on my romance with Eckankar even before you heard of it or it being known today as Eckankar. At a time before the 1800s, it was just a few folks on the outer path. It is not a contest on membership or crowd. You of all should know this.

I will not take away from you your own experience with It, but oga sir, no be today we started joining and leaving Eckankar if that's what you meant.

A lot of the so called inner experiences which forms the foundation of your faith(, I experienced them myself, )are products of illusions and lies imbedded in some of the images and fantasy tied to the spiritual exercises. You don't know this because you never did adequate research before joining. Eckankar can distort your reality if you're not very careful. Go and learn from other ex members if you doubt me.

I think you're toddler as far as understanding 'inner experiences' are concerned, no offence.

You have this knack... And it's the futility for me:

You want us to start another long subject ?
Jung, and hundreds of psychologist and too many Scientific, mythology institutions have beaten this subject up even for the lay man that yes, people have 'inner experiences' starting with dreams for Pete's sake, going further to 'remote viewing' so much that a whole government agency is built around that feat. These inner experience have been found to align with 'reality' in all of its ramification for a human.

You just took that "it's all illusion" without grasping the thing very well. A spoon is another "illusion" and it is not. That's how that statement works sir.

Here in this quote, the Almighty Triplechoice is writing inner experiences off as "lies"in a vain effort to spite Eckankar when more serious people have grasped and put millions of information about.

Can you now see the infantility in that attempt?

Yes , you can approach the spiritual exercises scientifically by taking records of your experiences in order to evaluate them later to determine if you're making progress or not . But to label the exercises as completely scientific is foolish talk .

Here again you miss the whole etymology of the word "science", but even at that, the very act of "evaluating experience to measure progress" is the same method employed by the kind of science you acknowledge as science employs to investigate the paranormal especially on matters of consciousness because no material tool for that currently exists.

Heck I recall you once sent me one link to validate your idea of how science on such matter is conducted which employs interviews for scientification.

I have laid out to the audience the science behind Eckists using sound instead of speech.

I was able to present scientific backing to the efficacy of such practice thereby bridging science with mysticism. I presented videos, research papers and all to back that.

The aforementioned are my goals and objectives for the thread.

Believe is what makes it work. Material science is not based on that

You seem am? "Material science is not based on that". Material science had crossed over sir. They require the believe element for the more serious sciencing. It is the 4th dimension or element.

I know this one will give you a hard time.

triplechoice:
It's not my responsibility to provide proof for your claims. Share your own experience and those of others you know doing the same thing so your followers can believe you.

In the other thread you shared enough stories of people meeting with the Eck masters as proof of their existence.

Why's this one different.? Chieveboy.


The CIA and the others you mentioned aren't doing the same thing as you. You think it's the same because of the word ,frequency. It's not

All that you have doing is to compare apples with oranges because of the word, frequency

If you think you're doing the same thing as Tesla and the other scientists you mentioned what's stopping you from also claiming that sound frequencies generated through singing Hu can also be used to control your TV set like a remote control using infrared frequency .

You have been using the word, science or completely scientific unconsciously to describe
the spiritual practices of Eckankar, and haven't been able to question it for once because of how the religion was introduced to you at the beginning.



The spiritual cannot be described as completely scientific. If Eckankar " spiritual practices have become completely scientific according to you then the religion has become a scientific organization .

So stop calling it the religion of the light and sound , if not you're contradicting yourself.

I see. This now boils down to how much you missed while studying Eck.

Did you hear about HU being the primal sound responsible for all sounds?

Did you hear the masters talking about the sound of rushing winds, thunder,etc as other sounds one hears that are of the HU?

What the do you think is being used to heal people and expand consciousness in either Soul Travel or Remote View by Eckankar/CIA or the Monroe Institute and Rife?

What did Eckankar teach you about Sound since you claimed to have been a student of?

If you missed it: Sound is the base for manifestation (quarks, quanta, atom, matter). There is the primal or Original Sound/Frequency. Think 'String Theory'. From this sound, a modulation and transponding occurs birthing other sounds and frequency. Eckankar teaches you that HU is that sound. Science will catch up with this reality too.

So when the CIA, Rife, Tesla etc use any frequency to heal, cause earthquakes, remote view, they are essentially modulating the primal sound HU.

If you buy any of the materials the Monroe Institute uses, most of the sound is the same HU you will hear

For your watching pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsGULCvMBk

triplechoice:
You have misinterpreted my silence. I ignored you because, instead of responding directly, you were trying to muddle the waters with your convoluted explanations and deflections into matters that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject under discussion. For instance,Who's discussing remote viewing with you? Me or someone else?

Well, you're yet to share scientific evidence concerning your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar. You think you have because you have a very casual and stubborn understanding of what scientific evidence is.

Once something is declared as scientific evidence , it's automatically accepted by nearly everyone within the scientific community as scientific truth .

How many mainstream scientist has publicly affirm that sound frequencies generated from signing Hu can attack and destroy cancer cells or cure any other illnesses?

Which reputable scientific journal has published your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar?


Your so called scientific evidence only exist in a personal blog owned by people with an obvious bias for the product they've seeking to promote as effective cure for cancer . That's not scientific evidence, chieveboy.

Scientific evidences are arrived at through rigorous testing and experimentation .And we trust them because reputable scientists from different parts of the world have conducted the same experiment to arrive at the same conclusion.

However, there are certain truths about the world that we live in that has no scientific support or explanation yet. So , If you want to be honest about your promotion of the spiritual exercises ,just declare that singing Hu, even though not scientifically proven , could result in miraculous outcomes, and nobody will dispute your claim strongly . The informed public can only ask for evidence , not scientific evidence,.

You contradict yourself each time you declare that something tagged "spiritual exercise" is completely scientific . If it's spiritual, then it's not scientific not to talk of it being completely scientific.Yes!

The links to CIA investigation of the paranormal doesn't validate your claim. I'm not debating remote viewing or OBE with you. So I can't see the point of you bringing that in.


You're desperately using everything you can lay your hands on to convince someone like me who was once involved in the teachings of Eckankar for over a period of 10 years and you think know what you're doing. No. you don't.

Look at how you continue hang on to the "arrest" of a non member of Eckankar as evidence that the spiritual exercises of Eckankar are what you claim it's . The reason I insisted on evidence for the arrest is just to confirm your story. That's all.

If not that you mentioned me here I wouldn't have gotten involved. But you choose to drag me into something you can't defend .

The task before you is very simple; Provide evidence, not scientific evidence, that you or anyone else can sing Hu instead of prayer to cure cancer and any other illnesses without needing medical attention from an orthodox medical practitioner.

Then later you can talk about the science behind it. This is what you should present to your followers,not me . I know what the singing of Hu can do and not do as well as why it can do what it can do.

It's not what you think.

Modified. Please respond only to the bolded in your reply.

1: I made this thread about the science of why Eckists use Sounds instead of prayer...

2: I you said it wasn't science, it's pseudoscience...

3: I told you science is catching up with the more advanced science of Sound. I provided links... You said it's no science...even with the CIA scientists involved...

4: You argued Science has nothing to do with mysticism, and Eckankar has not link with science, I then 'sammered' you that CIA linked which takes science straight to mysticism even with the idea of "remote viewing" "mantras"... You didn't read it, you wouldn't.

5: I told you that Sound, the very technology the whole of Eckankar is hinged on is used to reverse diseases giving you video prove of the science at play (without the need for endless "papers", you said it was false, that even the pioneer of that science (Rife) was a "pseudoscientist".

The task before you is very simple; Provide evidence, not scientific evidence, that you or anyone else can sing Hu instead of prayer to cure cancer and any other illnesses without needing medical attention from an orthodox medical practitioner.

Since you conceded to the use of "non-scientific" proof, you can go interview several people who have used it to cure ailments like Cancer. Their testaments are the proofs.

Moreover, you cynically are making a futile attempt at downplaying something here:

Hemisync, the CIA and Rife use the fundamental tool of Sound to deal with almost about anything be it curing a disease or manifesting a thought or Remote Viewing.

Eckankar for the use of Sound used to be known as the "religion of the Sound..." Not "word" or "name", "SOUND".

So if Eckankar uses sound for healing (ala Rife), Soul Travel (Ala CIA Remote viewing) and you're not getting anything in the line of "Science catching up to Eckankar and other mystic paths", then we clearly can see the inconsequential prejudice I earlier hinted at.

6: May be what I didn't do for you to get it is align with your earlier assertion that anyone can make any sound. Yes! The machines which produce the frequencies used in miraculous scientific operations like in HAARP, Rife, Hemisync, Vibroacoustic Healing are all mimicry of what a human can produce with their oral orifices in combination with their 'entero-myofacials'

Summary: Eckankar use sound, Science is catching up.

Triplechoice, should we call it quits with your silence equalling a concession based on the volume of evidence shared in my latest response to your request for scientific evidence of the claim of this thread?


I shared two vital links. First is evidence of an incarceration...

The second one is starring at you in the face...

That student is in the wrong class. They should sent him to a senior one