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Islam › Re: Saudi Stops Stoning Ritual For Five Hours Over Heatwave by chieveboy(m): 11:41am On Jun 21, 2024
Zooposki:
I’m probably sure the kabal is built on top a ley (energy) line. This is just a ritual for evil entities to siphon the energy of the masses throwing the stones, as I’m sure the Muslims will exhibit a lot of emotions while stoning the devil.

Most mega churches are also built on energy lines to allow evil entities to siphon the energies of the worshippers, especially while praying. That’s why your pastors encourage you to pray harder and work up emotions so god can hear you.

Sometimes the politicians will deliberately stir up trouble so the energy vampires can feed. Thats why you perceive some of these politicians as evil. Like the hunger, despair etc going round the country, I’m sure all the energy vampires are gouging themselves full.
This is really exceptional!

It is a knowledge that we live with entities who feed on energies positive/negative emanating from humans. It's like candy to them. They lurk around people with a streak of negative thoughts.

This is what someone in the Christian Bible meant by "the devil is like a roaming lion seeking whom to devour".

A Christian/Muslim will put his hands on his head the day he finds out how most of his "holy" practices especially that prayer of "holy Ghost fire", "all my enemies die" is actually crude oil for these lurking and discarnate entities.

The practice above to generates a lot of negative energies for these entities to use to harm us all.

Others include sacrifices like burying animals alive (to extract the fear and pain), hitting a human with a club to death (as in the case of Bado cult in Lagos) etc. They also lurk on the roads to cause accidents just to extract the energies.

The keyword and watchword is when you are praying or doing anything "holy" are you feeling anger, pain, sense of lack, worry, hate? If yes, congrats! You recharged the battery of a 'demon'.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 9:19pm On Jun 17, 2024
oteneaaron:
This thread is quite educative and thought provoking.

I have seen the CIA document about Hemi Syncing.

The Monroe Institute has some serious research around HemiSync where the left and right hemispheres of the brain are "synced" to create states of awareness similar to what Monks can achieve in deep meditation.

I have also read about remote viewing and how the CIA and other intelligence organizations around the world use it to peer into the past and future - all they need are just coordinates.

I have read about Ingo Swann and his great strides with remote viewing.

I have also read a CIA document where during a remote viewing session, the viewer traveled to the planet Mars and reportedly conversed with some Martians - I kid you not.

Truth is stranger than fiction.
Thanks bro. Most of the guys at The Monroe Institute have been contractors for the US military on these 'soft technologies'. The things they have applied it on is beyond belief.

Joe McMoneagle especially runs a "security" company around Remote Viewing.

The enabling "technology" around it all (remote viewing, Hemispheric synchronization) is nothing more than Sound which any one who 'get it's can reproduce with their God-given mouth and vocal cords.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op):
triplechoice:
. Another attempt to deflect from the topic. We're talking about your use of frequencies as evidence that Eckankar is completely scientific, not God as as atoms or protons .Please focus on your op
Oh there is infact. That it speaks of stuff which science today calls "remote viewing" and also uses sounds which science today applies as HAARP gives you a clear line of sight at things, except of course if you have that log of wood in your eyes.

There's nothing in the sciences that says you should aspire to become a mystic once you become "advanced" in it . So I don't understand the reason for this irrelevant talk
When they use technology to achieve something similar to what Eckists call "Soul Travel", they of their own volition sudden realize "boy, there is something out there". From Atheism, the become mystics straight believers! This is what this OP meant by "advanced physicists become mystics". It's not via evangelism... or blind belief

In 1999, the National Institute of Health Published a a paper in the use of Vibroacoustic therapy for addressing pain and symptoms which accompany anxiety and depression with positive results.


Being a mystic is a personal decision and nothing to do with the sciences.
. Another vague talk. Please what's "obsolete science" and give instances where I have played that.
Very true, but when in your sciencing, you touch 'high tension' as explained in the above paragraphs, you have to bend low.

I am reluctant to lead you to real science sources, I would have pointed you to another direction again on how far science are bridging the gap between religion and science. I will focus on your preferred prejudice with Eckankar however.


The issue is that your frustration in not being able to prove your claim is the reason you're trying to put the blame on me, which is very unfair. I'm
not " lagging behind" . Prove that what you do is completely scientific and you shut me up. That's all.
I have grin, the problem I am facing is the one I have been facing. For instance, I will give you another link. Again.

This time, the source is the CIA. It pertain to a research they conducted on how a human can cause things to manifest from thin air. I. Other words, do a "miracle". To summarize it, one has to combine their right and left part of their brain to become one, as in Jesus saying "except thine eyes become single, thou shall not enter the kingdom of God" or so.

More summary: for one to achieve this 'Hemispheric sync' or "HemiSync" of the brain, one has to use frequencies. I. Layman terms, one sings HU cheesy or pay money to use the product in Hemi-sync.com (which the very CIA referenced in the below research findings grin)


CIA (.gov)
https://www.cia.gov › docsPDF
ANALYSIS AND ASSESSMENT OF GATEWAY PROCESS.

Pleas come back and let's talk o. I have provided several of these resources in the past and you have this knack of carrying the log of wood in your eyes.

No. I'm not behind. You have a problem of not realizing that you're trying too hard to conflate two unlike things as the same. Effects created by machines cannot be exactly the same as those of humans. Those machines you mentioned aren't answering any prayers or helping you to travel anywhere real. Everything at the end of the day,is all in your head.



. Sciences that you claim is doing "catching up" has produced stuffs that has greatly improved how we live our lives, while you and the organization you belong to is yet to come up with anything tangible which the whole world can benefit from by using it in their daily lives. You sure like to deceive yourself and you're very good in doing that.
Let me tell you something. You see that research above by the CIA? This was in the 1940s o. We're not even talking of what they and others know behind the scenes that is yet to make it's way to Textbook you're still waiting for or spiting in order for it to reach Eckankar...

See, Eckankar has its own benefit, but not something to be compared to what mainstream scientist are doing.
You're the one "conjuring" resources from online propaganda sources together with your deceptive tactics to deceive the gullible . And you just did that up there .
The world has since moved beyond mainstream science. The are heading towards Eckankar real fast.

First they move without moving (Remote Viewing), Second, they play sounds to put themselves in certain states of consciousness grin as I. That CIA document, Rife, etc.
Third the techs which run HAARP, MRI, etc are all frequency-based. You're the one still here sir.


The bolded is your mentioning yourself, (" we, eckist" )alongside prominent scientist to give the false impression that you're doing the same thing as them and so ,shouldn't be criticized as a pseudoscientist.. Tesla and the others aren't pseudoscientists.At different times in the past, they have been able to provide the whole world with practical demonstrations of what they do using any kind of frequency . You on your part haven't been able to do so, yet you continue to delude yourself that you're a top scientist . You are engaged in masturbation.
Oh billions of people in Eckankar, Bhudism and similar paths have caught the word the use of sound for any goal out there. It has been used in healing, to power machines, etc much like Tesla. No effort from you can prove otherwise cheesy.

In the other thread, you attempted the same deceit by mentioning and discussing the fictitious masters ,with dubious history created by Paul Twitchell, alongside well known historical personages to mislead the public that Rebazar tarz and Gopal das were real beings who sometimes lived in the past.


Why should you expect to hear from me when you're yet to provide any such evidences. The link you shared for the evidence is invalid or not connecting to anything. It's showing "access denied" Please go through it yourself and screenshot the part that report the arrest and let me read the actual reason for the arrest. I doubt if anyone will be arrested for coming up with a cure for cancer. It's only when the person is selling snake oil as cure for cancer or if the product is not registered with regulatory authorities that an arrest can happen. So provide the actual reason for the arrest.
Here is the link again.

https://www.rife.de/an-interview-with-rife.html

BTW how does it even prove that Eckankar is completely scientific. A non member of Eckankar is arrested for cancer treatment and it's prove Eckankar is completely scientific. Wetin be dat?
Na wetim we dey talk since, but something no gree you understand. That it's a science which anyone can try to replicate anywhere without need for referencing or affiliation cheesy .

Eckists just need to say oya, go and try this. The CIA now happened on it and another company a multi-million dollar company runs by selling these sounds all HU-sounding to people on Hemi-sync.com grin

Which point and which prejudice? I have no prejudice against Eckankar, but telling it the way it's. It's a spiritual path that can provide some benefits to anyone who wants to try it out, and not what you're trying to claim it's.

Singing Hu to generate sound frequencies is not evidence that you're a top scientist or that
Eckankar is completely scientific. Anyone can produce sound frequencies by singing any word; Love, aum, ra, God , Jesus etc So nothing unique or scientific about what you're doing.

If you want to claim scientific, then begin by providing scientific explanation of how exactly your own generation of sound frequencies has helped you to cure cancer or any other illnesses and you will be taken seriously.

Stop mentioning non members of Eckankar. Tesla and the rest have provided practical demonstrations and explanations of what they do. Please discontinue from hijacking the successes of non eckist as evidence. Provide your own.
Oya the CIA and Hemi Sync and Rife had explained why Eckist use sound frequencies.

Oya call the CIA, Eckankar and Hemisync pseudosciences. Call the American National Institute of Health Pseudoscientists grin

Digest and come back sir. Thank you very much. I have one job: tomorrow to you that you are today simply rejecting a science because paths like Eckankar are pioneering it.

Na him make them dey leave you behind cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 3:29pm On Jun 13, 2024
triplechoice:
Calling Eckankar completely scientific will not make it so. The religion is far from being what you claim it's . I know because I was there before.

1. Eckist believe in a God, called sugmad .

2. Eckist believe that Harold Kemp is the true representative of this God.

3. Eckankar has it's own " Bible" called the shariyat -ki-sugmad

With the above,and others I haven't mentioned, how can anyone still claim Eckankar is completely scientific?
That's the science na. God is actually the electricity, atom, protons and whatnots after you scratch the surface.

The advanced scientists I know (I mean really advanced ones) are turning to mystics in broad day light.

See the works of these two for starters:

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ARBORDON

Davidsereda.net.

In your head, you seem to be playing it the obsolete science way, the "science is a anti-God format.

True science is not based on beliefs, but on facts and evidence.

What you're doing , chieveboy, is using your knowledge of science ,which s obviously not good enough, to interpret the religion has completely scientific when it's not.
The issue is you're lagging behind with obsolete information on the real stuff. We have machines that amplifies intentions (mental intentions). That's a prayer answering machine!!! We play with machines that links you to other realms... Check out the second link above....you're just behind on these stuff.

The machines are to do what Eckists call "spiritual exercises ". An example isan using machine to travel when he can port the whole thing to his destination via thought...


I decided to ignore your lengthy reply up there in order not to prolong the conversation. You were incoherent most of the time and also making very vague references. And in the end nothing to show Eckankar is what you claim it is. No evidence yet from you that a certain scientist was arrested for inventing a device to cure cancer.
My claim was clear: Science is catching up with what Eckankar had been practicing for eons: "Soft" or Spiritual Technology"!!!
I said instead of praying, Eckists use frequencies instead, which Tesla a highly advanced and non-corporated scientist had long revealed is the main thing!!!

What's left is for you to conjure up resources from online propaganda search results to tell us we (Eckists), Tesla, Royal Rife, David Sereda (davidsereda.net) and lot more scientists that it's "pseudoscience".

Notice how we never heard from you on the evidences I gave earlier of the incarceration and the true story behind the propaganda you feed on?

You on the other hand fail to grasp the point based on your prejudice.[/quote]
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 12:57pm On Jun 13, 2024
KnownUnknown:
Captain Insano!!

An American scientist did not create a machine that cures all cancers, Cancer Research UK told Reuters.
Rumours that Doctor Raymond Rife created a device in the early 20th century that could cure “over 5,000 diseases including all cancers” popped up online this month via a meme that asked: “WHY AREN’T WE USING THIS?

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2OZ166/
Okay.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 7:55am On Jun 13, 2024
KnownUnknown:
Religion truly is a mental illness. Unfortunately, it’s overlooked as a mental illness because it mostly benign.

When people believe the nonsensical claims of religion and other types of magical thinking, there is no limit to the bullshit they will believe. The op is a typical example.
Okay
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 9:22am On Jun 12, 2024
triplechoice:
The discussion centres on cancer cure using frequencies. Please stick to that and don't deflect to Tesla.

I said the use of frequencies to cure or manage cancer is pseudoscience just like acupuncture . Pseudoscience doesn't mean it cannot provide some result or benefit for those who use it. Why this is difficult for you to understand, to the extent you keep misrepresenting me all the time only God knows


Pseudoscience doesn't mean fake. It simply means not yet accepted by mainstream scientist because no detailed explanation of how it works. Placebo effect may be responsible for the results you're getting.

If what you have as cure is working and not harmful then please use it but don't try to deceive the public that the reason it's yet to be accepted by mainstream scientist is because of an imaginary gang up that only exist in your head.



You need to help yourself by learning very well the difference between pseudoscience and mainstream science as well as scientifically proven and not scientifically proven.Once you know the difference, you will surely understand what kind of science eckankar is.
Again, the problem with maninstreammania. When you have this, you're horse to be ridden in any direction.

The term pseudoscience does not in anyway mean what you just defined above (science yet accepted my whatever).

The root word means "false". Pseudoscience essentially means false science but this is not the catch.

The catch is in the fact that it is an 'entrainment word'. I am not sure how to best pass this through...

In hypnotism, they have a "keyword" that when mentioned, the subject gets into an expected programmed state. That's what that "pseudoscience" word is used for while they left for you another definition of it on the Internet. You can see that though the word "pseudo science" means false or unreal science, you unquestionably accepted their euphemised definition hook line and sinker. You left the detail ("pseudo"wink, but that's where the devil is.

So Astrology, Acupuncture, Meditation, OBEs, Hypnotism, Herbology, Psychics and other proven methods of effecting healing and Causes are fake and unreal according.




And what's the incoherent rapture talk. Did I announce bto you I'm a Christian waiting for any rapture.?
Lol, that was a subtle one, I see you didn't get it, you're still asking of prove after watching a full video of a prove of concept of using frequencies to destroying not just the average cancer but a leukemia cancer cell, yet even below, you're still looking for proof wink.

It's not you, it's that entrainment I was taking of. You're waiting to see a video of a woman lying in bed, and same procedure in that video I shared being applied before you will accept that it is cancer they're destroying. Maybe that's how it can work for you.

Please don't forget, in your reply,to provide evidence of the person arrested. Failure to do so would mean you lied.
https://www.rife.de/an-interview-with-rife.html. Calm down, digest their response to the trial and evidences presented, then look up the Internet to see what the propaganda fronts are saying about Rife frequency cure for cancer.

. Modified. I forgot this. There's no evidence anywhere that frequencies has been used to cure cancer. It's only used for managing it. If you have evidence of anyone completely cured if cancer using what you're saying please provide it here.
Leave matter abeg. I can't talk to you about some stuff being run, the stone must be cast in the right necks.

In the mean time,
Please don't be quick to respond to this post, rather take your time and while to really digest the link below and explore other information on the site.

https://www.rife.de/rife-arthritis-placebo-study.html
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 9:55pm On Jun 11, 2024
triplechoice:
The use of frequencies, even though given approval by FDA, is still classified as pseudoscience because it's not yet a proven cure in the sciences for all medical doctors working in regular hospitals to make use of. And that's why the same FDA has also issued a disclaimer to warn that anyone using it is doing so at their own risk.
The bolded really cracks and amazes me cheesy
You must have heard of Nikolai Tesla and about his work with frequencies and how most were confiscated by the FBI (because it's "pseudoscience" and useless undecided)

Since the last time in the other thread and here, I subtly and Expressly do point you in the direction of a conscious effort by state agents, capitalists and religious agents at controlling what makes it to this textbook you seem to be fixated on to no avail. You somehow have this knack at sticking to the number 4.

In your logic, inventors and pioneers have to wait in queue for when the politics of science would want to look in the direction of updating textbooks.

You however would not be aware of State projects like HAARP which revolves around the "pseudoscience" of frequency energy machines.

You can see how they left you with the propaganda record you got on the Internet while they have developed several energy machines and weapons based on frequency which their propaganda arm labeled "pseudoscience".

You sound like they will come and update the textbooks after the HAARP research


It's like acupuncture which is helpful to manage certain illnesses but without scientific explanation of how it works.

Scientific proofs or scientifically proven,are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it

The science behind the use of frequencies in managing cancer is still at its elementary stage. There's some explanation but not enough to say it has been scientifically proven.. It may be working as a placebo. No one knows yet.
Let's attempt to bring it home: The Covid Vaccines have been proven to be ineffectual, didn't go the usual retinue of testing before application (usually 50-10yrs), and even caused fatal injuries and even death, it however was released to the public over scientifically effective alternatives around like chloroquine.

Chemotherapy has around 80-90% failure rate, Rife frequency has 99% success rate.
Rife frequencies however is the pseudoscience...

So, what all of these means is that, you have unknowingly just accepted that Eckankar is pseudoscience by comparing it what Dr Holland came up with.
Lol, you're still not getting it sir. The person behind this keyboard is grappling for words to let you know the name of the person who is sleeping with your daughter without causing much harm, but you seem to entrained...

If you didn't forget, I used the term "..the scientists are catching up...". So YES, Long before scientists even began calling frequencies "pseudoscience", Eckankar has long been using it. The frequency part is just a tip of it. Wait till scientists develop further to use sound to power flying machines and homes, and that will be them learning to crawl as far as that science is concerned.

The use of that term is a deliberate effort to divide and rule you into sticking with textbooks while they head in the direction of HAARP and other covert application of frequencies.


Are you aware Tesla's findings on frequencies are applied by nations like Russia to secure their airspaces to name just one of it's application?

In the words of Asari Dokubo: "the don leave you" (with textbook).

I won't be surprised you come back to edit your comments to mean something else after another member of Eckankar, probably an HI, reading our conversation must have informed you that you're misrepresenting the organization. Dr Holland is not doing his work with the support of Eckankar. So why trying to make it seem as if he has the backing of the organization
If only you would apply this wild imagination into catching the culprits responsible for making you stick to their scripts...

BTW , where did you read that Dr Holland was arrested for using frequencies? I expected you to provide your source, but you failed to do so.
Does Holland bear the name Rife?

Modified. The use of frequencies is not yet a cure for cancer. No evidence that anyone has been cured by it. The only evidence we have is thar it helps to prolong the life of cancer patients. That's all
You have been waiting for rapture, it took place before your eyes and you're still waiting for rapture.

You watched a prove of concept, and you're quoting the inefficacy of the chemotherapy and "approved science".
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 5:36pm On Jun 11, 2024
triplechoice:
Modified. And how does this method to manage cancer prove that eckankar is completely scientific?
The use of frequencies instead of prayer or traditional medicine.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 6:33pm On Jun 10, 2024
triplechoice:
1.You're not proving yourself when you provide your findings to the public ,but contributing your own part to improve human knowledge about the world we all live in. Such contributions from the past are what we're benefiting from today. If you don't see any good in that, then that's your own problem.
2. As for your "progenitors" and " "mystic" explanation, sorry, I don't subscribe to such conspirational theories. Provide evidences for your claims.


Science will continue to seek for improvement in what it does, and nothing is perfect. Scientists are always alert to any danger their products can cause and because of that warn the public to take precautions. Even your Eckankar practices has its dangers too. Some of the spiritual exercises can drag you into a state of delusion requiring professional help.


Since no one knows the working principle, let him mass produce the machine and sell. Not having your findings peer reviewed doesn't mean it has become useless.

And the same "ineffectual template" is what has led to the phone you're using to downplay what they do.


I wonder why you like to say things which doesn't make sense? You have just produced another conspirational talk. Everyone can practice science and so there's no gang up anywhere to deceive the public . If a group of scientists try to hide the truth from the public it won't be long before another group of scientists reveals it. But this doesn't happen in spiritual paths like yours where they lie to you to accept and threaten you with karma for challenging the master .


If what he comes up with is not magic and can benefit everyone.
Here is a work of some independent scientist who built on the work of an 'unofficial' scientist as far back as the 1920s curing cancer. That scientist was jailed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C73AuV1CsCP/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Question: Why jail someone who finds solution to a long standing scientific problem?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 9:15am On Jun 10, 2024
triplechoice:
. But this study of effects has produced stuffs like the one you're using now to make your presence felt on Nairaland. Material sciences is not masturbating but an alternative method available to everyone for arriving at truth . However, the material scientist won't agree to call it an alternative because that's the only thing he knows and finds more reliable .


Its not superficial as you think if not stuffs cannot results from it . The only thing is that it has its limitations about what it can do or not do.
If they get to the point where they see it has a must they would do that . But for now,most of them still regard those as spiritual practices that shouldn't be included as something that must be taught in regular schools


You say so because of how you have come to perceive the world around you and it's your choice how you want to view it. But remember , you live amongst others who don't see it the way you do.

The real scientist is the one able to present his findings for others to judge themselves.
. I'm afraid this sounds more like...........



I'm not talking of how spirit, energy, manifest in the lower worlds for everyone to see it physically, but how it's only perceived as either light or sound , or even more than that,through inner travel, meditation, soul or any other means available to the " spiritual scientist"

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.
Science isn't about proving yourself to anyone. The progenitors of whatever the scientists sic politicians of today run with I have said before were mystics ala autodictats. It didn't start out as an organization to be controlled by powerful cartels and nothing is changing this as we are going right back to how it must be.

Science making my phone doesn't mean that's the best it should be. It's full of harm biologicallyy emotionally and mentally if you're not aware.

I think I have told you of an inventor of a device which generates electricity from thin air. Till today, he fails to be patented because the so-called scientists cannot peer-review nor place into their ineffectual template the working principle of the machine.

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.
Herein lies the issue. Textbook science, again. They won't tell you it has pure spirit simply because they are not advanced, I wonder why you love that tent.

There is this guy called Terrence Howard. All I can tell you is: Watch out cool
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 6:52pm On Jun 09, 2024
triplechoice:
I always knew you didn't understand from where I was coming from the last time we had some argument or discussion.

I didn't say Eckankar is not scientific or cannot be approached scientifically ,but not the same kind of science practiced by those trained in the material sciences taught in regular schools open to the public
Material science is the study of effects. That's masturbation as far as the real thing is concerned. Some dude is coming to strip what you call science of it's fake fecade. Science will change completely.

While eckist, or spiritual scientist practice spiritual exercises which helps to open up dormant perceptive tools within themselves to perceive spirit or other inner realities directly, those trained in the material sciences , physics or chemistry for instance, are only able to observe and record what the limited five physical senses and other scientific instrumentation can make them perceive, which they then declare as scientifically proven after validating it through testing and experimentation.
Good! From the above, you reiterated the superficiality of what is referred to as science today which dwells on the 'effects' of the real object of any scientific engagement, as in how Gravity is a mere effect of electricity which itself is an aftermath of a grand dance of spiritual stuff (ether).

Science must be based on 'Soft technologies' like the so-called meditation, contemplation, Soul Travel and OBEs for it to properly take care of several problems and questions for mankind.

However , it doesn't mean that everything the spiritual student sees in his inner travel is real or actually there: The inner world is made up of both the real and the unreal. Not knowing this can easily drag one into a state of delusion where the individual is no longer able to separate the real from the unreal.
Nothing is real or unreal. Things just are.

There are methods available to the spiritual student or eckist to validate as real what's perceived innerly which you failed to mention but tried to create the false impression that it's the same as the rational sciences.
Question: If an Eckist sees the ether via the proper apparatus creating another condition which the guy with apparatus calls gravity, who is seeing or interacting with the main thing? Who is the real scientist here?

Are you aware what is called the ECK is usable as part of machine? In other climes, it's known as "Logotechnocraton" or tech ology driven by mixture of consciousness or "Logos" and material substance?

For instance, can you put the Eck or holy Spirit in a test tube and observe and measure it just like those trained in the material sciences ? Certainly not.

So what are you talking about? Chieveboy
Oh we've been at it for eons. The question is to what degree and from which dimension. A sead give-away is water. We put it in test tube all the time. It can be changed to pure ECK, gas or solid with the right procedure.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op):
"God is Spirit...they must come IN Spirit and Truth".

There is the 'God Sound'. This is not a word. It is a Sound. This sound is what you get when you pronounce the word "Hue" in a long drawn-out manner.

Mere pronunciation does not however complete the circuit. A heart-felt energy must be added if it is to carry the right vibration.


This is where doing this for a long time becomes the most powerful "prayer" one could ever perform.

"Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do"

Each of the above produce distinct effect on matter. All however, and any other tune in between are transpositions of a singular sound which Eckankar and several other teachings claim to be the Sound made in the "Hu" sound, just like it is said all colors come from black and white or so.

Lets say 'Do' is the God frequency, repeating this vibrates the performer off of a problematic situation into the state of 'Do' due to a phenomena known as 'resonance'. It means 'at-one-ment'. After at-one-ment is achieved, one has the leeway to recreate a better condition for themselves via imagination. Imagination produces brain 'waves' as "science" says. Sound is involved in any wave.

Kindly see attached video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsGULCvMBk
Christianity Etc › The Science Of Why Eckists Do Not Pray by chieveboy(op): 11:48am On Jun 09, 2024
"Physical matter is music solidified" - Pythagoras

The above quote means it is Sound solidified. Humans call it music because of the symphony that comes with Sounds in nature when viewed or listened to with the proper tools. Further measure and give symbols to these sounds and you have mathematics and any subject that exists for a human.


I recall telling a someone here in the past on how Eckankar is completely scientific. I think its triplechoice. He thinks otherwise. Well, the so-called scientists are catching up...

The truth is science as we know it is about to be stripped to its marrow in the few coming days. Thanks to the advent of this genius already in action. His work will open up Leonardo Davinci's work closed up in the vatican libraries because if made public will strip religion of its powers. Not so anymore!



The below image is a tidbit of the science of sound and why Eckists will rather use the Hu sound instead of bombarding their space with speech propelled by worry, concern, anger (when binding and casting), begging, etc which are only good for compounding a condition because the wrong Sound frequencies are being used.



I will post a video for more details.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 7:43am On Jun 09, 2024
Templee333:
SEX
What does eckankar has to say about sex before marriage?
This is morality. Morality is the law of man, for man to control man.

Spiritually speaking, sex is the actual marriage (two becoming one).

Does celibacy make one closer to God?
Yes and no. Anything done out of pure love for God can take you to God. You experience the reverse of your mission with celibacy however if you have no love.

What about pornograhy and masturbation, do they affect the flow of the holy spirit in one's life?
The funny thing about this whole thing is the guilty conscience you will generate is actually what shuts the door.

I have mentioned previously that God does not hold grudges, it is the perpetrator who does that on behalf of God and the forgive themselves after prayer.

Love is what opens the flow of the Holy Spirit. Lust is something to let the Holy Spirit deal with. When the spirit fills your heart, you are filled to not require seeking it via masturbation and even sex.

what do you have to say about homosexuality, is it a negative act? what about incest and bestiality, could such acts prevent one from moving closer to God? If a person has multiple sex partner, does that make him/her unable to flow with the holy spirit?
God (the supreme one) is not into morality. IT let it's subjects the rulers and creators of the lower worlds create all these worlds, furnish Soul with a body, furnish it with all the illusions (temptations ) and allow Soul try anything it wants and learn from the repercussions.

This is an education system we are living. Smoke, prostitute, rob, worship things as God, etc and spend lifetimes reaping the rewards of these acts (often via hardships).

In one life, Soul will become bored of it (sort of) and begin looking for God or answers. It's good Karma will allow it meet the Mahanta who alone has power to give soul freedom.

He doesn't have to join an organization to meet the Mahanta although currently, the Mahanta the Living Eck Master runs behind one.

This Mahanta is not a religious or organizational aspect of God. Everyone you meet is a subset of the Mahanta. Jesus, Mohammed, etc.
Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 7:27am On Jun 09, 2024
Can a woman conceive without sexual intercourse like the story of Mary
Yes.
Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 7:25am On Jun 09, 2024
Templee333:
WOMEN
can eckankar allow a woman to take the title of a Mahanta the living eck master? Are men superior to women as some people believe? Was a woman created out of a man's rib as the bible put it? ?
People switch genders each time they incarnate. This incarnation had occured more than a million times on earth alone, talk more of other dimensions.

So a man was a woman just yesterday and vice versa. The goals is to get it right in balancing the two forces to into a neutral state.

Do not forget that any so-called man has a good degree of whatever makes a woman one and vice versa. Imbalances occurs and you have gays and lesbians.

That being said, the Mahanta manifests in a Male body due to the nature of the role. The major reason is to be able to accommodate or embody the huge amount of spiritual energy that must flow through the physical instrument.

Nothing to do with superiority here. Some women are more stronger than some men physical speaking...
Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With Eckankar Religion by chieveboy(m): 7:14am On Jun 09, 2024
Templee333:
INSANITY
is it really proper to refer to some people as "Mad"? If "madness" is just a state of consciousness, how, then do the "normal" people know for sure that those they call "mad" are really out of their mind? What if the "mad" people are moving higher than the "normal" people in their journey to God? Are some of those refered to as being "mad" not the ones that have detached from material things? if mind prevents one from becoming soul conscious, are those said to be out of their minds not actually soul conscious? What exactly makes some people to change from the state of "sanity" to "insanity"?
To be out of one's mind is enlightenment if this experience comes in a dose one can handle.

Some of the "mad" are just people who are ahead of general "reality" while it can be a case of lack of consciousness at all as in CD plate without a single content in it.

This would then be matter of state of awareness whether to get provoked when one is said to be "mad"( out of their minds), or to appreciate the compliment.
Education › Re: English Gurus Pls What Is The Answer To This ?? by chieveboy(m): 3:35pm On May 02, 2024
A true English speaker will seek more clarification instead.
Science/Technology › Re: Why Is There Sun In The Space And The Space Is Still Very Dark by chieveboy(m): 12:33pm On Apr 29, 2024
Itohanmiwa:
Omo this is a very brutal topic. For once i'm proud to say i am a nairalander.
Yes Nairaland can be quite focused on shallowness and gossip. ...speaks much about us generally because they see which posts gets most traffic, gossips and bad news are 'good'...


This is quite inquisitive, well to answer your question, we all know the sun is made up of fusions of Helium and Hydrogen gases, while it is stagnant and the solar system rotates and revolves around the sun, the light from the sun is just focused on our own solar system. While the outer space or spaces beyond our universe which stretches to billions of miles remains dark.
I think the Space you mentioned to be dark carries same illumination as illuminated Space (on earth).

The illusion of darkness is brought about by the state of matter or atoms in that "dark" Space which is different from that in illuminated Space. Where there is light, there is Matter which reflects or causes an 'obstruction' to those energies (called "light"wink for it to be humanly visible.

In other words, there is light in that darkness, the things that makes sunlight visible in Earth's atmosphere are just 'absent' in "dark" spaces.

Another reason we can't see light in space is because of a human morphological condition where our eyes are not able to accommodate light in given colors, shades, and conditions while other creatures like dogs are able to achieve this.

This gives us a condition where it is impossible for darkness to exist without light and vice versa. We just need to create suitable conditions for both realities to exist or vanish. "Off" and "On".

Same goes for any condition in life. Solutions and Problems are coexistent.
Nothing is a solution, nothing is a problem. Nothing is good,nothing is bad. You just have infinitesimal states of existences and manifestations that are relative.
Business › Re: 140-yr-old PZ Cussons Considers Leaving Africa Over Nigeria’s Sales Plunge by chieveboy(m): 9:08pm On Apr 25, 2024
Rybnyk:
Stop with this! The so called local companies that you said will replace pz will also face high production costs. Do you think they are leaving because they are going on vacation? Unless we address the issues that make companies close shop in Nigeria,things won't change. Power inadequacy, economic policies also affects the local companies as well. And the local soap manufacturers have to work really hard to come up with a standard product like morning fresh. Maybe mama lemon can try and compete. And that one is becoming scarce in stores. There is a reason...
Someone asked earlier when last you saw "Omo"? Do you not use a different detergent currently ? Or did you die?
Business › Re: 140-yr-old PZ Cussons Considers Leaving Africa Over Nigeria’s Sales Plunge by chieveboy(m): 8:45pm On Apr 25, 2024
tradepunter:
You are trying too hard to sound rational but ended up been stupid..... How will compare back room producers who negligible and zero impact on the wider market...... And mind you the manufacturing process have some dangers since it's requires mixing some chemicals at stable conditions..... Even our local brands are an offshoot of these international guys because majority of the technology and technical know how was green lighted by the foreigner players..... Please next time if you don't know something try to keep shut cuz many of us have been in the entire value chain for a long time......

Do you even know what it takes to integrate the antiseptic agents to products to make sure it effectively kills germshuh? You think your local household soap maker have the capacity to integrate it??
Your comment actually reflects...

We're faced with dangers at every point of commuting, it's a folly indeed to stay at home on your advice. More so using "danger" as a Nairaland point of argument.

Shutting up would mean an intelligent person is talking and I'm listening...


"It's takes several technicalities to mix whatnots", that angle of argument reveal that empty-headed subterfuge you're trying to animate just to make up...You seem to want to present this antiseptic soap making look like rocket science, that's silly because I know even the most complex of the chemistry involved can be 100% achieved with home-made utilities.

FYI, PZ makes several soap products asides the antiseptic. Several Nigerian brands equally make this happen to the good of our local content.
Business › Re: 140-yr-old PZ Cussons Considers Leaving Africa Over Nigeria’s Sales Plunge by chieveboy(m): 7:33pm On Apr 25, 2024
Zxcvbnmghtr:
When last did you even come across OMO detergent. grin
As in eh cheesy
Business › Re: 140-yr-old PZ Cussons Considers Leaving Africa Over Nigeria’s Sales Plunge by chieveboy(m):
The rise of numerous Nigerian companies with better or competing products contributed to the sales plunge.

Many women now produce soaps from their backyard.

This is not bad at all.

Naustine:
Have u considered the job losses and the loss of tax revenue?
Yes I did. They will go look for available local or even international companies to render their services to or setup small-scale factories to that effect, which was how PZ itself started.

Nothing is lost from the macro viewpoint.
Food › Re: Live ECK Seminar 8:AM-10AM 21st April 2024 by chieveboy(op): 7:53am On Apr 21, 2024
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Food › Re: Live ECK Seminar 8:AM-10AM 21st April 2024 by chieveboy(op): 7:47am On Apr 21, 2024
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Food › Re: Live ECK Seminar 8:AM-10AM 21st April 2024 by chieveboy(op): 7:46am On Apr 21, 2024
Experiencing the reality of GOD is made possible via the instrument of the ECK otherwise known in different names.

Come watch spectate or participate as is comfortable or acceptable by you.
Food › Live ECK Seminar 8:AM-10AM 21st April 2024 by chieveboy(op): 7:45am On Apr 21, 2024
Any ECK (Holy Spirit) Seminar or event is always a golden opportunity to bask in the light of God which purifies and takes one closer to their ultimate life goal which is to make God an every-day reality beyond belief and faith.
Foreign Affairs › Re: ISRAELI Weapon Damaged Iranian Air Defenses Without Being Detected by chieveboy(m): 9:13pm On Apr 20, 2024
You seem happy about war and bloodshed
Science/Technology › Re: I Have 350k, Can I Install A Single Solar Panel For My Appliances? by chieveboy(m):
1: 2pc 245W used Trina solar panels @60k each= 120,000

2: 1pc 12v 220AH Tubular Battery =285,000

3: 1pc 1000w 12vDC to 220v AC mini Inverter= 65-70k

4: At least 15m of 2mm Double core Flexible cable @ 2500-3,500 per yard

5: 40AH Mppt Charge controller = 70-90k

6: Other optional devices like Breaker, Surge Protection
Science/Technology › Re: How Illegal Miners Wash Mined Sand To Get Gold (video/picture) by chieveboy(m): 9:17am On Apr 17, 2024
This is not mining
Crime › Re: I Didn't Kidnap My Father, I Only Gave Info To Kidnappers And Got Paid - Suspect by chieveboy(m): 7:06am On Apr 17, 2024
I didn't molest the bisi, I only pwess her left bwes

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