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My opinion? .....very ungodly!

@OP, Good post. I had already taken a personal resolve to be non-critical/condemning as much as possible of other Christians (whether Catholics, ATR, Penticostals, Baptists, Buddists, Chrislam etc). I will leave everything to God for that Final Day. However where ever is see a wrong, i do my best to correct it by showing the offender some bible passages and if he/she refuses to listen i leave him/her to God. this is the way i have resolved to do things.

pastormustwacc: Interesting aliens. I suspect they are planted here by aluminati.

Is the spelling not Illuminati?

pastormustwacc: ^^^I have exposed them all on my thread, that is why they cannot talk. The truth is very bitter!
TITHING: New Testament Practice Or Old Testament Bondage

Acts 16:16-19


The owners were not bothered about the demon, so in short the demon was their friend because it was bringing them lots of money. This is the true nature of many human beings. And it is the main reason why many people go after false doctrine, because all they want is to enrich their pockets. And when they believe that the pastor will lead to prosperity (and you know - money answereth all things) - they follow, follow.

May the Lord Almighty forgive us all.

You just reminded me about a discussion I was having with a friend about a sensitive topic from the bible as well. I can't remember what we were talking on but I could remember his argument which went something like this: that is what my pastor said so I will do it. The moment I heard those words, I ended the discussion instantly as it would be useless arguing with fact from bible passages against someone who has made up his mind to do blindly what pastor says. It shows how many have been so brainwashed that they can't study the bible and reason on their own.

seunmustwac: So in short, abductees decamp to UFO religions and become atheists.
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Oh, i know, alien propaganda - many people wish to believe we are all alone. Please read the book of Enoch, it talks about ETs teaching man lots of things:
soccery, and some other things i have forgotten at the moment - and were mating with our women too.
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So from your point made here, can one deduce that ETs are evil, at least from Christianity point of view??

seriallink: @OP

So many religions have sprung up out of some excitement over the possibility of aliens (extraterrestrials). Even some (like raélism, scientology) claim to be practising christianity, you can click [url=hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_religions]List of UFO religions[/url] to read about some of these religions. If it's true (which I'm 100% sure it is) that these extraterrestrial exist, anytime the whole world gets to know about them, it'll have a huge effect on religion! Besides, world leaders already know about them.

I for one also believe that there would be a major shake up in the belief system of people. Some might even end up abandoning their initial beliefs and find something else. World leaders know about them and their silence/secrecy is not helping matters. But one day breeze go blow foul nyassh go open.

Their reaction is normal. Whenever it is proposed that their salaries+allowances should be increased 100% you will never hear them reject it. Instead they will do when they know best:

All in support of it say I (every where roars in support), Those not in support say A (and everywhere is silent)

pastormustwacc: They have effect on religious beliefs in many ways, it took me a long time to realize this. Please research into that subject matter. It will take me too many posts to explain this.

Some people that claim to have been abducted by aliens became atheists after. Aliens believed they created man, and they do a lot of brainwashing too and reveal so much to people that is anti-christ. In fact, some "abductees" say that aliens teach them about a different religion that seem to be anti-christian.

Now, the church is very silent about issues that has to do with aliens/abductions and many other issues that paranormal. Reasons: i dont know. I cant begin to suggest anything.

But i will leave you with one thing: o negative blood group cannot be cloned, and seem to be from alien origin - research that yourself and see what you get.

Does it mean they are the anti-christ or some sort of demons?

Omo Alata: Why would they have any effect on our religious beliefs? I mean, if demons exist, why not aliens

How many pastor talk about UFO or aliens out of church not to talk of on the pulpit. The congregation who swallow hook line and sinker every word from the pastor will rule out the possibility of their existence. So if they finally see such a phenomena, how do you think they will react? Will they take it as one of those thing or not? Will it be related to bible passages?

I asked this same question to a friend of mine but got no answer. I have watched documentaries and personal video clips, read and heard of many accounts of UFO/Alien beings including the one from our Nigerian friend EasyG. And I just wonder to myself and ask this question which I would like to ask this noble house:

What if UFO's or Alien beings as it were really exist (possibly after making themselves undoubtedly seen and known) would they have any effect on our religious beliefs (especially Christians)?
What effects specifically would they have on our religious beliefs?
Would people generally change their religions or just make adjustments to accommodate the new fact they just realized?

Hope to hear the views or Nairalanders.

EasyG: Most of the responses I read are extremely funny albeit cynical and scornful. Even if I was able to capture the entire event on HD video the general reaction will be to call it a fake, so it makes no difference. Special cameras are required for night recording and there wasn't too much distinction between the ships and the night sky anyway. The light from the gas flare helped a bit though. I left out some details of what occurred because they will generate even more rancor. I have spoken to a couple of my neighbors and they heard the noise but neither bothered looking outside.
Something tells me these guys will come out in the open pretty soon, that's the only reason I posted this here, so at least it won't come as a complete surprise to some folks when it does happen. But am dead certain they are not aliens from another planet. And we don't stand a chance if they turn out to be hostile. Nuff said.

EasyG, can you hit me up with more details. I am very interested. You can email me on chiowi@yahoo.com. I am waiting to hear from you.

denitro: /\ /\ /\
Children don't smoke before going to bed.
Learn from uncles' experience

LOL! You seriously cracked me up. still trying to recover from your advice to the OP.

@topic, I really would like to see a UFO some day. I will reserve my comment on wether I believe it or not. But all I know is that there are very many strange things in this world that the minds of many people cannot comprehend. I hope to ask God someday about the many things I hear and know.

SELFWORTH: This is not biblical . God hates divorce so don't mislead members .

Oga self worth, have you no read the thread where a MOG announced to his church that he is divorcing his wife for spiritual reasons? I don't like divorce and i/the bible do not approve of it, but this is what happens when people hallucinate and sing the lyrics to a sister that God say na me go marry you (and then the sister foolishly accepts without doing her own background checks too)

packman: THATS WAS SAME THING I TOLD HIM BUT HE IS KEPT ON THE SENTENCE (FAMILY BACKGROUND) AFFECTS FAMILY A LOT

PLEASE MODERATOR THIS SHOULD BE ON FRONT PAGE

Then i doubt he really loved the girl in question. If he does not want to listen to you then let him look for someone else whose parents are Pentecostals. But pls do not come back here to tell us his story of seeking a divorce or any other marital problem after the marriage.

preshuzpearl: I don't love him, at least not now. But he claims God spoke to him specifically about me and his testimony is quite convincing. pls should i go ahead with it or just leave it alone, i dont really feel anythin for him.wats ur advice. Matured christian views highly apreciated

Hey madam, if u like marry person you no know. One day na that same God go tell am say make him divorce you for spiritual reasons.

Joagbaje: 1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.




People gave money as tithes in the bible. Wage workers gave money . Those who are into animal husbandry gave money . especially if their Animal is unclean. Like pigs ,Carmel etc . They redeem it with money. The only things people brought to the house of God were things needed for the priest in the sanctuary. Every other thing in converted to money. It is called REDEMPTION.

Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.


Leviticus 27:27
And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

Deuteronomy 14:24-25
And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:

Brother Jo, your statement on the highlighted part is very wrong. I thought we have discussed this before. Tithing was never done with money. Numbers 18:8. Money paid here was not for tithing but for heaves offering. Look back at my previous post.

Mckybarf: Hmmmm, first of all there is a clear distinction between tithes and general giving in the church and its all too obvious for all to see except for those who fail to see because they think they know just too much to be taught. Secondly, none of the verses quoted here even talks of tithing, if you ask me. If you people are so concerned about tithing, and why it is such a big issue today, [b]just search through the bible and find out who instituted it, for whom it was instituted and for what purpose. Tithes are for upkeep of pastors and so are first fruit offerings. Other offerings are for other purpose as deemed fit by the church's authorities. [/b]Most of the comments i have seen here only talk of two things- prejudice against pastors and faithlessness with God. I didnt give any scripture refrences because since you were smart enough to quote those above these shouldnt a problem for you at all. I really doubt you are true christians or may be you are just being malicious or been decieved. In christendom, the principle is sowing and reaping- these are spiritual protocols and no man can ever change them. What do you have that you did not recieve? If it be then that you recieved it of the one who gives you power to make wealth why are you so beefed with giving him just one tenth of what you make. Know the truth and let it set you free.

On your post and especially the highlighted part I say this: Please go and study your bible.

adetoks2010: Pls someone needs your advice!

How do you handle a situation where a husband keeps taking money from his wife's purse without her knowledge. They live alone together so no one else could be responsible. Before now, the wife doesn't bother counting the money she leaves in her handbag but when she realized that it's as if she's spending more than expected she started counting what she leaves in her bag. On a number of occasion though, the hubby agreed that he did take some money but not until she asked. She has requested politely a couple of times that he should let her know whenever he takes anything,once she complained with annoyance but most times she keeps quiet as if she didn't know.

From what I understand, the wives are most times guilty of this act, but is it something husbands do as well. Now, what do you think she can do without really hurting his feelings knowing that he's not too buoyant financially.

Mtchew, you should be happy your husband is stealing from you (and you know he is the one doing it all the time). Any way shaa, use pad lock on all your hand bags and purse.

All i see is wicked wicked wicked. Any way shaa, @wicked OP who has a wicked friend married to a wicked husband,I don't really have a wicked advice to give you but just want to say that your wicked friend should have a peaceful wicked talk with her wicked husband to resolve the wicked issue and also try not to see her wicked husband only from a wicked view.

D sage: Since I was not there, I assumed they took 10% of the total Gold or Silva received to God.

Ok. Perfect. Please do not assume. God stated it clearly in the bible how/who/what to tithe. No mention was made in His directive for people to bring gold and silver or even use their earned gold and silver to buy agric produce for tithing. So money tithing is an invention of man (based on their logical reasoning) and never a directive from God. And like i said previously, this is what gets me all worked up; people making rules or enforcing their imaginations on others and saying it is what God said.

D sage: You misunderstood my post. What I was saying is that, those Bricklayers,Carpenters or Goldsmiths,got paid by the means of "trade by barter" and not by paper's money as you initially claimed. Eg Gold,silva,crops, animals etc.

The bible verses that followed was a respond to the questions asked by you. Please check your previous posts.

Perfect. Thanks for the clarification. For those paid gold and silver for their services how do they pay tithe?

D sage: Although there were carpenters, Bricklayers and Goldsmith then, but their major occupation was plantation or animals rearing. And these people you're trying to refers to, were paying in form of Gold,silva,crops,animals etc (trade barter).

As for you questions, Deut 14:22-25.

Can you give any reference whatsoever that these guys paid tithes in gold and silver or any non agrarian produce? No such thing like trade by barter dear. Deut 14:22-25 summarizes as follows:
Bring 10% of your agric. produce to God. If the place he appoints is too far, convert the produce to money (to reduce the stress of transporting large agric produce over long distance) and then convert the money to produce or anything eatable or drinkable u like when u get to the appointed place to redeem your tithe.

This passage has nothing to do with bricklayers paying money or doing trade by barter to pay tithe. Pls re-read that passage. Pls dont forget verse 26.

Joagbaje: Why not study scriptures instead of criticizing Jo.



Dont get personal . Let's get scriptural



I only decided to stop contributing to tithe thread because it's an unending circle. We should redeem time. Especially knowing that most of those who attack church structures are not in the church. Some are unsaved and some are sheep without shepherd . So I will rather want to engage them about salvation and submission . Heb 10:25 and Heb 13:17



People turned tithes in to money for several reasons. One of them is for redemption of maimed animals. God doesn't accept blind ,maimed etc. and if that happens to be your tithe. You have to redeem it with money.

Numbers 18:16
And those that are to be redeemed from a month old shalt thou redeem, according to thine estimation, for the money of five shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, which is twenty gerahs.

Leviticus 22:24
Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land.

Malachi 1:8
And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the Lord of hosts.

Jo, to your bolded section and all you have written i will say this: Lets get scriptural and tithe the way GOD stipulated for us in the bible without bringing your human imagination to it, and say its God's word! ....and were such monies substituted for the animals paid in cash to the temple And besides, that passage was talking about "heave offerings" not tithe. Numbers 18:8.

D sage: Since we are no longer in Agrarian society, I think tithe should be measure/paid in term/form of money.

Most of you guys especially Goshen360 are so stingy with money.

The reasons behind this thread is unwillingness of op and his friends on this thread to release/pay 10% of their hard earned money to church/ God ministry.

D sage, even in the so called "Agrarian" economy, people still were engaged in other profession and made lots of physical cash from their services/skills. Except you want to tell me that there were no carpenters, bricklayers, goldsmiths, jesters, etc who got paid money directly for their services. So the question to you is this, why did God not command these people to pay up their tithes (10% of their income) as well? God is not foolish. He had a reason for that and they were stated in the same passages where he told them how to tithe. Good enough you said "i think tithe should......" There is no biblical proof to this assertion. The only thing that gets me all worked up is that the pastors tell you this is what God says instead of what they think about the situation.

I for one (and some others i have met) give more than the so called tithers. I don't base my giving to the church or God's ministry on 10% (and yes i give to the church or pastor, but based on my conviction and not on coercion). I personally fancy giving to a course i can see how my "hard earned" money is being utilized like to give directly in kind or cash to widows, orphanage homes, flood victims, strangers in need, etc. I know they need my "hard earned money" more than the pastors, as they are usually forgotten in today's modern christian religious practices.

Sorry i wrote so much. was writing as it came to my mind.

youngies: Information reaching CHANNELKOOS NEWS from unconfirmed sources within the JTF in Borno State indicates that Abubakar Shekau the self acclaimed Islamist leader of the Nigerian militant group Jamā'atu Ahlis Sunnah Lādda'awatih wal-Jihad), better known by its Hausa name Boko Haram may have been killed in joint operation of the JTF and the SSS this afternoon in Borno State.

Though the JTF Commandant in Borno is yet to confirm the development, but unconfirmed sources claim that they are certain that Abubakar Shekau was the one killed this afternoon

Abubakar Shekau is said to have a photographic memory and is well-versed in theology, having studied it. His nickname is "Darul Tawheed", which translates as a specialist in Tawheed, the Islamic concept of oneness with Allah. He is also fluent in his native Kanuri language, as well as Hausa and Arabic languages

More: http://channelkoos.com/index.php/news/2708-boko-haram-leader-abubakar-shekau-killed-by-jtf-in-borno

I thought this guy was killed before by the same JTF?

@OP, are you gay?

My little contribution: Not all dance are to be danced in church. The intent i believe of most of the azonto and kukere dance u see in church these days is not to the glory of God but to fulfillment of the desires of the flesh. For those saying we could dance any style we want as long as it is in church and done "in the name of Jesus" its okay. Would you recommend the dance in the picture to be done in church "in the name of Jesus" since all dance are welcome ?

Joagbaje: its biblical

Gal 6:6
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.


When Jesus said freely you Recieve feely give, it refers to selling miracles .jesus himself Recieve support financial

Now you just confirmed my complete disappointment in you!

Nice ride

Kobojunkie: No it is not. Matter of fact, most times family is not there to give consent so I don't know why people have this stuck together bits of how life ought to be dictated, not by the Bible, but by gods they have made out of flesh and blood for themselves.

It is my dear. I am not telling you what i heard but what i experienced. I guess it is needed for record keeping and proof of parental consent before conducting the marriage. Yes you can't find this in scriptures but i guess its for defense sake (someone might come accusing the church tomorrow that they were not authorized to conduct the marriage. What proof will they have unless something written?).

If the parents are not alive, someone that could stand (especially a male member) could fill in the gap.

Kobojunkie: um . . . I happen to frequent the local RCCG church here, and[b] I can state for a fact that there is no such document church-wide[/b]. Matter of fact, the pastor here makes sure to tell people looking to get married that marrying with parental consent or in the church is not the key to marriage and will certainly not preclude the marriage from harm.

Cross check your fact. I can tell you categorically(from experience too) that it is a requirement from RCCG before the counselling process starts.