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NaijaPikinGidi: Like I promised, I'll be sharing the real sense behind the beautiful university images that has been bandied around for the usual SA style deception. Information that explains once and for all why most of the block head South Africans argue and talk the way they do here. Don't worry there is a military angle to all of what I am about to prove. But before that here is one more chance to have South Africans truthfully rebut the following:

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Pettiness is the gunpowder in the hands of South African commentators on this thread. Cut and paste syndrome in the same people shows readers the level of emptiness and lack of analytical skills common with all recent South African comments or arguments on the thread. Pasting sometimes undated, old, and unreliable data, graphs and charts with questionable sources cannot substitute for well-grounded commentary needed to wage an intelligent debate. Only if CraigB could understand half of his own arguments innuendos.

South Africa is just all about the bling. But here is the zing that they'll keep hiding ... They are ...
:: The only country that plays around with feaces (real shit) in public and on the streets of Cape Town and the Free State in the name of politics.
:: The country with the worlds highest ratio of human inequalities.
:: The country that has the largest informal human settlements with millions living in tin shacks and cardboard houses with walless open toilets.
:: The country where cemeteries are undug to bury extra dead people in majority of poor communities.
:: A country where you need an abyssmal 33% score to pass matriculation exams into South African Universities.
:: A country where poverty is rife that young girls are encouraged to fall pregnant as a means of accessing an "income" via child grants.
:: A country where racial divides constitute a time bomb in all spheres of socio-economic endeavours no matter how colourful the media portrays the rainbow in South Africa.
:: A country with a consistently regressing growth rate and progressing inflation rate.
:: A country so economically and fiscally wasteful in the face of growing poverty that it spends billions of taxpayer cash on ego trips around the world - R1 billion in one week for Barack Obama, R160million plus in 4 months for a clueless and lost mission to CAR, R200million in corrupt and unauthorized construction and fortification of Jacob Zuma's personal family home in Nkandla.

The list of South Africa's failing qualities could go on and on. Again the temptation to play low-life like CraigB and his Ghanaian surrogates will be a waste of time. Pasting statistics without the personal power to critically analyse them only show a person's worst stupidity. So therefore ... by CraigB's own standards, SADC's South Africa is a FAILED state and still falling royally.

my brother, you just explained why i had to withdraw from this argument. When you argue with a fool your brain drains to his level and authomatically makes you one.

What dudes like craigB or Bcraig and his demented partner kwame have shown here is a case of intellect myopia.

And it's ashame that south africa boasts of standard schools and am yet to encounter one with sound intellectual capabilites (although i've enjoyed comments from Andrewza)

@oga Henry and Agugust
abeg shine your lens o. Am expecting pictures from you guys on the final day NA will do their parade o. You guys have kept this thread alive to this page even though some olodos tried to derail it

BCraig: Our lovely crawford school kids.

can i ask you something. No offense but why is it that everything good about south africa comes from whites and is mostly enjoyed by them. This picture is nice but i don't see blacks all over it.

Are black south africans busy occupying the ghettos and being illitrates?

BCraig: This is rubb*sh

There was no bow.

Anyway, watch this video. Amanpour telling Jonathan what to do.

Interval 4:25

"The US has said you must remove the head of the electoral commission, Mr Ewu. Will you do that?"

The US has said....

He then loses himself and shifts all over the place in his seat.

They have always been puppets and now Nigerians are grasping at straws. Taking orders from the US.

http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/13/goodluck-jonathans-first-interview-2010/

Total ownership of Nigeria by the US.

I see no orders going Zuma's way. But I have listed several orders and threats already going Nigeria's way from the US.

yup... typical SA. always shift ground when caught with his pants down.
am done with this issue

zetdee: Senegal is Muslim, what do you expect. Zuma was resently in Japan and the Japanese were very respectul and bowed to him, what do you think of that?

It's a culture in Japan to bow his head when greeting just like some cultures in Nigeria, but it's not a Zulu culture. so i wonder. aside from the bowing, why was he just shaking up and down? the man clearly lost composure which exposes his inferiority complex

Typical of you guys, you get caught in your own game and shift the topic

please can you guys go back to military matters. i was enjoying the pics from both sides

Msauza: It was indeed really great to meet Obama today.

so great that your president lost composure and had to bow before Obama. the man was just shaking up and down
even the Senegalese president has more confidence than yours that he had to reject obamas offer to decriminalise gay marriage in front of the world. what a shame

BCraig: And I should care because...?

Because you still haven't left. Shows you don't have a life my boy. Go get one

BCraig: I have a life.

i doubt that

BCraig: Oh is that so? Is that why your fellow Nigerians are saying the same thing?

so of all i said, this is what you can understand? Wow!!

I guess arguing with you is a waste of time and knowledge. Am gonna put you on the same list with kwame.

BCraig: Don't pretent you're illiterate. The criteria have been posted - along with the point awarded to each country. Do you even know what a failed state is?


Fact is - Nigeria is in the red category, along with the other failed stated.

You people like rubb*ishing sources that tell you where to get off.

No wonder you lag behind.

that's because we are too smart to swallow every flawed report America dishes out. If you're trully sensible you would know that Egypt,syria, and CAR should be the first 3.

Nigeria aside(so you won't say am supporting my country), Kenya is more stable than Egypt and look at where they placed them. Guy the west are not always right you know. The earlier we start to see that, the better for Africans.

And trust me, if not for the whites that laid the foundation for SA and still control key sectors, you would be compared to MALI. And don't even try to deny it.

nigeria is a counttry that is ruled by Blacks, built by Blacks and is a testament that blacks can actually achieve something without dependence on whites. We even fund our own budgets.
So don't just sit there and type, come to 9ja and see developement. Only sector we're still struggling is Power and Industrialisation is being revived.

Seriously, thank the whites cos tey've hepled you guys a lot.

BCraig: Don't pretent you're illiterate. The criteria have been posted - along with the point awarded to each country. Do you even know what a failed state is?


Fact is - Nigeria is in the red category, along with the other failed stated.

You people like rubb*ishing sources that tell you where to get off.

No wonder you lag behind.

that's because we are too smart to swallow every flawed report America dishes out. If you're trully sensible you would know that Egypt,syria, and CAR should be the first 3.

Nigeria aside(so you won't say am supporting my country), Kenya is more stable than Egypt and look at where they placed them. Guy the west are not always right you know. The earlier we start to see that, the better for Africans.

And trust me, if not for the whites that laid the foundation for SA and still control key sectors, you would be compared to MALI. And don't even try to deny it.

nigeria is a counttry that is ruled by Blacks, built by Blacks and is a testament that blacks can actually achieve something without dependence on whites. We even fund our own budgets.
So don't just sit there and type, come to 9ja and see developement. Only sector we're still struggling is Power and Industrialisation is being revived.

Seriously, thank the whites cos tey've hepled you guys a lot.

zaandrew: Global failed state list. I don't now wether to trust it though.

http://ffp.statesindex.org/rankings-2013-sortable

That report is biased. The report is based on economic, social, security, and political instability.

Egypt should be among the top ten since it can hardly afford bread for it's people, terrorists have carved a country in the sinai and there military moved a lot of equipments their but yet haven't captured one terrorist.
The political instability their is so bad that a democratically elected president is about to be ousted cos some oppositions don't like him. Egypt that is going about begging for money and there reserve is dry.. And where did they rank them? Thirty something.

Nigeria, Kenya, Zimbabwe are more stable than Efypt at the moment. Even Somalia is more stable tha CAR.

As usual evrything that comes from the US is always biased and flawed, but being the most powerfull country, they have the monopoly of passing judgments on things they hardly know about. My opinion anyway

Henry120: The army celebrations( NADCEL 2013) is next week. I just hope the army would release photos this time around.

I knew if the army was going to change assault rifles for her commando units, they'd mostly likely migrate to the CTAR-21. Seeing that the navy, airforce and DSS already field them in huge numbers, it is/was the most likely possibility.

All in all great.

personally, i've never had issues with the AK-47 cos of it's ability to be used in any environment. nigeria is a large country with a mixure of desert, forest, and alll sorts of environments (there was a time it used to snow in jos. Don't know of now sha). And there's a growing need to acquire weapons we can maintain domestically.

Gone are those days when we clamoured for fancy weapons so our military can look like some overated fancy military that are number one cos of fine equipments and low battle experience.

My take is that if the army are trying to go for other rifles without plans to locally produce ours, they should just forget it and continue with the AK-47 and work on modifications like the chinese and russians.

They've probably taken out more insurgents and rebels with those AKs than the American M-16 rifles in Afghanistan.

mentorken05: aint u going far??for heaven`s sake u re taking it personal...dis is just a discussion thread.

you even have time to read his posts. the guy is just an embarrassment to his fellow SAs. maybe his mother cheated on his father with a Nigerian, or his girl

i hear that's another reason some SAs hate on 9ja. guy just ignore his posts cos there's nothing to learn there. the guy is just too slow. can't even express himself properly except to copy and past from other sources. so sad

@ augugust,henry and some SAs who seem to know a lot about military stuff.
i was arguing with a some friends about Jf-17 thunder and Chinese J10 fighter jets. which is better? i can't seem to find any battlefield experience on any of them, and it seems Nigeria is going for both or one of them. any reply is welcomed.

So this thread is still alive aren't you guys tired of recycling arguments? Especially the SAs.

You get hit on one corner then go and look for old trash that have been handled. And does anyone still bother to read that mentally derailed kwame's post? Dude doesn't know how to engage in debates.. So much for south african education.

So this thread is still alive aren't you guys tired of recycling arguments? Especially the SAs.

vizboy: What does south africans have against Nigerians that they like to harm them in what ever way they like.

guy be honest with yourself na. That was a deal gone bad. And Nigerians need to obey laws in other countries so they won't be targeted indiscriminately

anyone who expects better from(black)south africans is a learner. the long years of slavery has derailed their mentality to the extent that they don't feel like they belong to the human specie. that's why they can't stand being around their fellow humans

If not for their inferiority complex, they would be attacking white foreigners too. damn pigs

these guys should thank God that their former masters build that country before handing over to them or else chaka zulu would have been a child's play..... with their sound institutions it's still too difficult to change their mentality.

point is.. Africa is Africa's problem.

abeg, is it a stealth flyover that cameras can"t capture?

Yungprinzet: This 2015 of a tin scares me alot coz of d many tinz it entails. Election,single currency,new world order,etc. Mmmm, I pity most of u that are in support of dis Single Currency rubbish. Have u 4gtn so fast the prophecy in Revelation talking abt the world spending a single currency & no transaction without the mark of the beast 666. Most people would evn collect the mark with open arms. I'm sorry 4u, instead of u 2 repent ur ways & pray that this plan should not come 2 pass. U are there celebratin destruction. Mmmm, may the Lord av mercy on us all.AMEN

so they now allow browsing in yaba left?

Another African copy cat project doomed to fail. Even Europe that has a far more powerful economy tthan our are not finding it easy to cope with such policy.

West Africa first of all needs to focus on building strong economy: like industrialisation, independence from foreign aid (expecially in their budgets, which is one of the major eyesore in development)


Properly implement the ECOWAS integration policy which still has a lot of loop holes.

ensure security in the region (which is greatly lacking) etc...
And this might end up being a burden on Nigeria as Germany is feeling the brunt of the european monetery policy failure (being the power house of the region)

our leaders don't learn. They just wake up, drink sepe and open dia dirty mouths to announce rubbsh.
Well, then again African leaders are senseless and stvpid

And this is how quack journalism in Nigeria will start to bring another shame to the country. And why foreign media see no reason to report positive things about us.. Cos Nigerian journalists are their backbone. Smh

agaugust: show us a south africa website with intelligent people like nairaland, and we nigerian will log in and reduce you to peanuts size on your home-soil. show us your south african version of nairaland....be ready for our invasion and colonization

you're cray man but it's true though. no sense of reasoning in their posts, and it make me wonder how their own forums will look like.

patriot4: A little bit out of topic, but since some unnamable have deviated the topic in a disrespectful way, let me just give you some sense of perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6WQqKON8w

I think am gonna disagree with this. first they are based on futuristic graphic display and should not count.
especially "DRC"!! come on.

i still place Abuja, Addis Ababa, Lagos, Durban, Nairobi etc. cos of the evidence of progress being made so far and not what to expect in 30 years

drag_on: @ kwame nkria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Africa
Analyse the data ,look out especially for 'rate of infection'

no boss. You shouldn't have gone through that stress for the child. He's too stvpid for that.
Just allow him to have his fun with his game of stupidity.

Thiza: WITH OR WITHOUT AIDS THE BEST

then if our bullets don't kill them, the AIDS will... Then there's no need for a war

CraigB: You have become a joke. In other words you admit that you have nothing to talk about. All that b1af*ra nons*ense was a waste of everyone's time, seeing as you've abandoned it now and are trying a new line of argument. Posting mountains of words yesterday, only to abandon them in the face of a sharp challenge.

Fallen to rise no more is the so-called researcher of Naa-iraland.

see how you've proven yourself to be dumb. He has made a point and instead of you to tackle him with your own knowledge, you start talking giberish.


Now i have to believe the person that said ''the long years of enslaving south africans have killed their mentality and ability to be knowledgeable in their reasoning''. Thereby making them think like morons for generations to come.
That's why development will always come from white south africans and illitracy from th slaves.
No wonder kwame is leading the pack

Capnd143: this is a big lie from premium times again! Oh my GOD! The govt sent a 9O6 man recuperation force to Mali to relieve the already stationed soldiers, 2 days ago, so i dnt see why the would also sent food which was sent along side the deployed troops. Some nairalanders are just 2 gullible

Majority of Nigerians just lack the ability of critical reasoning. that's why our reporters don't wanna change. they are okay with the dullards who believe everything premium times write.

Msauza: Lies!! Our contribution in Africa is more than what Nigeria can only dream of. The xenophobic South Africa has offered asylum to millions of foreigners from Africa, Asia and Middle East, including Nigerians. Your country with so many friends can never do the same. Why refugees do not choose it as their preferred destination?

"Nigeria is the region's largest economy representing 55 percent of West Africa's gross domestic product, the most populous nation on the continent at an estimated 130 million people and the continent's largest oil producer.

"They're the big guy on the block in every way," said Princeton Lyman, a former U.S. ambassador to Nigeria and a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations".

"Nigeria helped found the Organization for African Unity in 1963 to promote African independence and solidarity. The OAU became the African Union in 2001".

"Nigeria commands a broad influence within the AU. From May 2004 to September 2005, Nigeria's President Olesegun Obasanjo served as the AU chairman. The AU Force Commander Maj. Gen. Collins Ihekire is Nigerian, and many of the union's peacekeepers come from Nigeria. Abuja, Nigeria's capitol, has been the site of peace talks between the Sudanese government and the rebel groups in Darfur".

"Nigeria also played a pivotal role in founding the Economic Community of West African States, or ECOWAS, in 1975 as a regional economic organization of 15 member countries".

From the trade-based foundation of ECOWAS originated the Economic Community of West African States Monitoring Group, or ECOMOG, to unite the region's armies to contain the civil war that erupted in Liberia in the early 1990s.

Nigeria contributed significant financial backing, troops and resources that made ECOMOG's creation possible. From 1990 to 1997, Nigeria troops made up 12,000 of the organization's white helmets. As the war spilled over the border to Sierra Leone, ECOMOG sent troops in 1998 to push back attacking rebels until United Nations forces arrived.

Nigerian forces are present in all of the United Nations peacekeeping missions in Africa: Cote D'Ivoire, Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Western Sahara. In total, Nigeria commits 2,462 soldiers to U.N. missions across the globe, according to the United Nations.

Peacekeeping remains the cornerstone of Nigeria's regional influence but the relatively wealthy nation exerts an economic influence on the region as well.

Nigeria is the only country to set up a trust fund in the African Development Bank for poorer countries to borrow money. After drafting economic reforms within its own borders, Nigerian leaders helped policy makers in other countries with their own reforms.

Obasanjo played an instrumental role in creating the New Partnership for Africa's Development by encouraging other heads of state to create a continent-wide strategy for development.

Nigeria's neighbors may be wary of its power, but on the whole, they respect and appreciate Nigeria's status as a leader.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/africa/nigeria/role.html

so my dull man, Nigeria's influence in Africa started when you were under slavery from your white masters. we even participated in freeing you slaves and you now open your stinking mouth and say you have influence because you have people sneaking into your country to take your jobs..

and unlike you, i don't engage in blind arguments. this your comment sounds very childish

Abeg you guys should stop this dick contest. It's now boring. Fact is SAs and Nigerians will never like each other. Nigerians are ready to mend realationship with SA, but SAs are to xenophobic to have good relations with their own neighbours not to talk of Nigeria.

Nigeria vs SA is like Egypt vs Ethiopia. Nigeria has more friends than SA. Even countries in your bloc (SADC) will betray you cos they hate you and are just putting up with your arrogance.

So let this argument end.

Egypt going to war will be suicidal for them. They simply don't have the money for it. Notice how they've softened their tone since Ethiopia told them they were ready for war.

So i don't see a war happening here cos it will destroy egypt not ethiopia.

Obviously, African countries will either covertly or openly support Ethiopia (i would), and trust Arab states to always step bac in times of conflict cos they know their military have never known hoow to fight real wars.
So Egypt knows they can't rely on their Arab friends.

They couldn't help them in times of financial crisis, so how will that change in times of war.

Msauza: How can you let insugents to hijack your prison and release prisoners? Surely that is an embarrassment of the worst order. It had never happened anywhere in history. You have broken the record, so rejoice the award.

dude dont be silly. Soldiers don't guard prisons. They have guards and they only have guns while insurgents have RPG, IED and everything explosive. So how do you expect prison guards to defend themselves against such heavy weapons. Are SAs this ignorant?