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Hi guys intriguing debate you all are having about experience. In alampasu's case I might not start him against the Algerians ahead of akpeyi because you cannot compare playing in the south African top flight to Portuguese 3rd division. If dele was playing for say Porto, benfica or sporting Lisbon even if in reserves then one can take a calculated risk to field him.

On the matter of coaches sometimes sentimentally sticking to a player it might be a case of a coach knowing from past experience what a player can do for him and so trusts the player to deliver again. For example John ogu has been in form this season plus playing regularly for his club yet we don't expect him to start ahead of Mikel who we all know has big game experience.

I don't mind ndidi and onazi Starting together to be honest while pushing Mikel further up the pitch but yeah ndidi is overall a better DMF than onazi

Pray tell what makes Wenger and Ferguson exceptional? Did Blanc win 6 titles in his first season as manager like pep?

Like Dayo said where is it written a great manager can't lose a match?

Enrique had a solid foundation laid for him. Pep came and revolutionized the way barca. Replaced stalwarts like Deco, Ronaldinho etc with untested youth like Pedro, busquets etc transformed Messi into the beast of a player he is today

Spy360:
From your point of view, Blanc too was exceptional. Enrique that was a flop at Roma and Celta Vigo is exceptional. Nonsense.

Any average manager can win titles with Barca and Bayern. That is not exceptional.

If an exceptional coach is in Barca or Bayern he should not just win the titles, he should also do it unbeaten. That is because already, he has the best squad by a mile.

If Barca beat Celta 5-0, that is no news. If Celta beat Barca 1-0, that is news. An exceptional coach should never lose a game if he is coach of Barca.

i disagree with you bro Pep is most definitely an exceptional manager.

at the time he was appointed barca was at a low period in their history. he came in with relatively no experience yet transformed the playing style, turning them into a footballing force of nature. you might say ''o but he had messi'' but he was intelligent enough to know in which position messi would truly flourish. like ferguson did with c.ronaldo and wenger with theirry henry. Pep showed that football as much as is all about results can be achieved in a beautiful way.

even his stint at bayern was not just routine like you are trying to paint it. before pep came bayern was not as dominant. dortmund won a couple of bundesliga titles of bayern before Pep came. even the great juup heynkeyes (sorry if i spelt it wrong) struggled to win 3 bundesliga titles back to back in style. everyone says pep had a poor time at bayern munich yet he won an average of 2-3 titles per season. if that is poor then may a poor manager like pep handle my team. no EPL experience yet his team is top of the league where more seasoned EPL veterans like wenger, pocchentino, mourinho (lol) are playing second fiddle. give it to pep na tactical guru.

Spy360:
Winning Laliga or Bundesliga with teams like Barca and Bayern possessing such calibre of players is only doing the obvious. Any average coach can achieve that.

So without counting those, an exceptional coach is one who is the major reason for his team's success and who does that consistently at least over a period of time. In other words, one must do EXCEPTIONAL things to be an exceptional manager.

Sir Alex Ferguson was an exceptional manager, especially in 1999. Wenger was an exceptional manager in 2004, same as Jose.

I absolutely have no reason to view Pep as an exceptional manager so far UNTIL IF HE CAN WIN THE TREBLE with Man City at the least considering the array of talent at his disposal.

Had he been unbeaten in the league, I'd say OK let him win it just as Arsene did in 2004, but that has been defeated already.

No doubt he is a very good manager, but as yet he hasn't done anything exceptional.

Because na him score all the goal wey Israeli club take win league abi?

forgiveness:
But how person wey no fit catch shot take help em Israeli league take win league?

Abi na balloon dem dey fire for post?

So when will you now judge a goalkeeper's performance? I talk say pesin no fit catch shot wey soft you dey tell me babu sey no be him fault say na counter. No be only counter na front desk you for talk

forgiveness:
Dem don sign am?

Until den, I dey observe.

Aiyenugba did nothing wrong in that match because it was a counter and you don't expect him to turn to super man.

NFF was to be blamed for not doing there home work.

i agree with you oliseh mishandled the situation that was not the right time to effect change of guard.

TheGoodJoe:
Oliseh has no excuse. If nothing else, Enyeama was a mourning hero. The heart of the team should be with their suffering brother. Oliseh tore the team apart with that option. Not only that, skipping Mikel. It was a wrong decision and we can not hold Enyeama for it. I believe Enyeama will come back. I doubt he is enjoying the show. It was a tough memory but we can not exonerate Oliseh in any way.

for me the bottom line is respect. i have no issues with oliseh wanting to change his captain. he might have felt that since vincent would soon retire he needed a younger and experience player to guide his transitioning team. don't forget this same oliseh came to enyeamas defence during the kaduna venue criticism brouhaha.

oliseh's temperate and lack of experience handling players caused him really to mishandle the whole situation with vincent

TheGoodJoe:

Why Change captain band? Why? The simple truth is that Enyeama was bold enough to talk for the team and got humiliation for his devotion to the country.

yeah oliseh didn't handle the matter wisely. not that enyeama is a saint himself but he didn't deserve to be treated that way especially after his meritorious service to the super eagles. oliseh could have held a meeting with him explaining why he would hand over the captaincy to somebody else. i remember sam allardyce did something similar at bolton. he called okocha, explained his reasons for giving nolan the captaincy every settled maturely with respect still being maintained.

Jefersoun:
You have spoken my mind. You can't fault him just because of one incident we all know is not his fault. It baffles me to see people say some unpleasant thing about eyeama. Come on guys, who can do what he did, 2 days after burying his mother, he arrived camp just to be humiliated. Come on guys he deserve our respect for trying to represent us even during his darkest day. Try to put yourself in his shoe. Ighalo comes to mind. So please show some respect to our legends so that the upcoming ones can sacrifice more. Thank you.

not holding brief for ezenwa but if he is so rubbish why did atletico sign him then? anyways seems we are in a conundrum about this goalkeeping matter. femi thomas is decent but i've also watched him and he has his flaws. aiyenugba too we forget that it was his soft hands that allowed guinea to score which stopped us from qualifying for the 2012 AFCON.

fingers crossed the algerians will probably be too much under pressure to mount any serious attack.

forgiveness:
You are right!

Femi Thomas was obviously the best goalkeeper last season and em still dey perform wella.

But Ezenwa get connection for NFF hence the undeserved invitation.


If we fail for this match na Alloysu Agu cause am.


He is the......

I go talk ooooooo before something spoil.

Abeg help me put mouth join.

you are right i read the exact same report in the Cable online news site few months back. no one saying is one should not support the government but not by painting black to be white

obailala:
I can swear I have seen a very identical sycophantic report to this one some months back. Let's forget the bad Ore to Lagos road for now, the worst road in Nigeria is currently the Onitsha to Enugu road, why would someone not tell Fashola or FERMA to treat this road as an emergency/priority?

our able doc! more incisiveness and sharpness to your scalpel bro.

good one Kenya.

really great stuff africans are doing. did you read about the nigerian doctor in america who performed surgery on a baby still in it's mother's womb? quite amazing

TheSuperNerd:
This is so awesome.... Great one Kenyans....

But this is not the first successful conjoined twins surgery done in Africa.

The first or one of the first was done by Ben Carson and a team of Zambian and South African doctors and more in South Africa. It was the case of the banda boys.

They were conjoined twins also albeit Craniopagus conjoined kind.

This one from kenya is Omphalopagus conjoined kind.

Craniopagus and Omphalopagus are both kinds of conjoined conditions seen in certain twins who joined together. Another is Thoracopagus(joined at the chest) and Thoraco-omphalopagus (joined at chest and upper/lower abdomen).

So in all.... Great news and awesome achievement all the way from the land of Kenyatta, home to top schools like Egerton, Jomo kenyatta and more.

Kudos.... But this isn't the first successful conjoined twins separation surgery done on African soil.

i wasn't referring to the committed ones like balogun, ikeme, iwobi etc when i made that comment. i meant the other ones like sidney sam, nedum onuoha etc who once they know nigeria is interested in them will be doing shakara. instead of giving a straight yes or no will be giving you excuses that they are not ready blah blah blah but if the other country should call they will be over ready. when they are now completely ignored you will now start hearing rubbish like ''i always felt nigerian'' mcthhwww

BascoVanVeli:
So to u Balogun, Ekong, Ikeme and Iwobi ain't loyal? This is something that will happen once in a while no need to stop our show.

no worries egbon. you see why i tell you *in chris brown voice* these foreign born players ain't loyal. that's why i always insist these foreign born guys must declare their availability for the national team. it would make their call ups some much easier for everybody. avoiding unnecessary confusion and embarrassment at the end of the day.

forgiveness:
Hehehehe! As I see the news I gentle.

In fact, I lost strength to debate.

But now wey I don know d koko, Hehehe!, debate continues.

yeah bro i concur. except for mahrez non of their players are the type of players that would have you pissing in your pants. i feel even more confident that with the right tactics and seriousness on the part of the players, coaches we can give the algerians a hiding. not to mention their clueless sounding coach

goldfish80:
Not like I know alot about Algerian football,but for Brahimi, Mahrez, Slimani the rest from midfield to attack are bang average players.
In defence, Ghulam the left back is the only top talent in the defence. Although he is prone to being erratic and yellow carded. Moses should be instructed to attack him with pace, within the first 20mins he will be yellow carded. This I belive will slow him down.

I don't think there is anything to fear about these Algerians, infact only Mahrez, Brahimi and Ghulam can make our starting 11....
We should be spanking these guys 4:1 or 3:1 in all honesty.

some of these bloggers and the trouble they cause! how is a 12 year old going on 13 ''ALL GROWN UP''? now they have put undue attention on this poor girl from all sorts of deviants out there.

mroop:
The Ghanaian actor is already installing arms into his arsenal ahead of a lone war he will be fighting against any man who will come close to any of his daughters.

His first child and eldest daughter, 12-year- old J’dyl Vanette Vicker , is all grown up in a new photo the actor shared on his Instagram page recently.

He sarcastically captioned the photo
,
“The moment I realise I need to purchase MORE bullets for my double barrel. #ygf @jjjcutie”


The young actress who is obviously following in her father’s steps, in profession, takes after her mother, Adjoa Vicker more, in looks Van Vicker and his wife Adwoa have three children and recently celebrated their 13th marriage anniversary.


Source :: http://www.praizeblog.com/2016/10/van-vicker-s-daughter-is-all-grown-up.html?m=0

this is good news for mikel now he can plan properly for his footballing future. there's no rush his place is assured in the super eagles. our next world cup game after the algeria match is i think september 2017 so he should take his time and choose a club that he will get regular playing time. mikel still has some good years at the top level left. i'm sure a few decent premier league sides will be interested in his services.

TheSuperNerd:
EXCLUSIVE: Conte Tells Mikel- “You Are Not
In My Plans, You Are Free To Leave In
January”


https://i1.wp.com/owngoalnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/image-59.jpg?fit=1838%2C2048


According to reports exclusively gathered by
Owngoalnigeria.com, Chelsea current second
longest serving player John Mikel Obi has been
told by manager Antonio Conte that he is free to
leave the club in January.


Mikel is still waiting for his first competitive
appearance for Chelsea under Conte, but it
appears he will stay frozen out of the team as he
doesn’t feature in the plans of the coach.


Coach of the Nigerian team Gernot Rohr met with Technical Director Mike Emenalo yesterday, who revealed to Rohr that Mikel is not in the plans of the Italian manager.



”Talks were held between Mikel and the
manager. As for now he has been told he can
leave in January, mind you his contract is set to
expire in the summer” a source close to the
midfielder told Owngoalnigeria.com.


”There’s every possibility for him to leave Chelsea either on loan or permanently in January. But the summer looks more likely. Every story must have an end. After 11 seasons, Mikel wants to move on and so too Chelsea”.



Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/10/27/exclusive-conte-tells-mikel-you-are-not-in-my-plans-you-are-free-to-leave-in-january/

men if you said they were brothers i wouldn't doubt strong resemblance

tbaba1234:
Rohr looks like a father here

correct me if i'm wrong his statement is a criticism of all religions. that each one assumes his way is right ignoring the thousands of other beliefs which he feels is arrogant right? so i am just using the same argument about atheists that is it not also arrogant to assume your belief about the nonexistence of God is right.

raphieMontella:
seems you didnt pay attention to the initial quote..

but you are also just as guilty because you assume your atheism is the logical way to go

Seun:
People in every religion believe that their religion is the true religion. Christians, Muslims, etc. Isn't it arrogant to assume yours is the right one?

hi bro read your post quite long but still an interesting read. it's normal to question ones faith. i feel it's a journey of discovering the true nature of God. no one, not me, your folks, friends or any poster can judge or tell you what to do. full disclosure i'm a christian so i would be lying if i said i didn't want you to continue to be one too but this is a journey of self discovery in your faith or lack thereof in God.

the only thing i ask is you also further read up on the story of Jesus Christ, his message, his mission and his life example that should help you further understand the true nature of God

all the best bro

Akdegreat:
...Gradually, I had stopped going to my church as frequently as before. They had nothing new to teach me. I also began to form my opinions using empathy, rational enquiry, logic and reason rather than religious dogma. I dropped all my superstitions in favour of evidence about the natural world and things in it. I sought to understand the cause of things rather than stare at them in awe and ascribe them to unseen forces. I accepted reality, made informed decisions about my life and took responsibility for outcome of these decisions.
I suddenly developed this 'strange' love for all of humanity irrespective of religion, culture and race, as much, I try to make it enjoyable for everyone around me. Afterall, what's the point in hoping for a blissful afterlife while living a miserable life. I never felt so happy with so much satisfaction. Unfortunately, I tend to disagree severally with religious people on some issues, especially family. It's quite disheartening that they perceive me as 'bad' & 'lost'. All these happened within the space of 3 years, just before my graduation.

I joined Nairaland earlier but recently stumbled on a post and to my amazement, I wasn't alone after all. I'd love to met some people here in person e.g Johnny, winner, sharon and Seun. You guys are great. Though the atheists make such sarcastic arguments, their points are valid most of the time, while many Christians know so little about religion. These arguments really did a good job in further weakening my belief in the Bible God. If He is there, he'd understand my reasons for doubting the Bible account of him. He should be a just judge.

- Akdegreat

where in my post did i say elderson is better? i used AFCON as a criteria to show that even without taiwo nigeria has won stuff and done well so all this talk of bringing him back is mute. taiwo in his pomp belongs to the same school of players like roberto carlos, deigo alves etc whose attacking play covers their defensive inadequacies.

for sure elderson and oshaniwa are not as athletic or strong as taiwo but you can be damn sure they wouldn't be caught out of position unlike egbon TT on numerous occasions

well drogba vs george weah is debatable. not now sha maybe next time

zicky:
how would you use winning nations as a criteria for saying elderson is better, you look at individual influence/performance in a game, its just like saying Drogba is better than Weah cos Weah could not take liberia to the world cup.

i'm not surprised you would come up with this kind of silly comparisons. you want to compare taiwo to kaka and ronaldinho really? a football novice to ballon d'or winners? i tire for you.

ronaldinho was a resounding success in psg and barca. his time at ac milan though not stellar was above average. kaka was almost a walking deity when he was at ac milan. his time at real madrid though blighted by injuries was above average. unlike egbon taiwo who barely played 2 games for ac milan. even milan legend maldini questioned his signing.

elderson as poor as he is we won AFCON using him. how many did egbon taiwo win with nigeria after 3 attempts?

anyway i don't expect what i wrote to change your mind since he's a favourite of yours so let's just agree to disagree because i know you are the king of unnecessary arguments which i don't have time for today.

forgiveness:
So, you mean Ronaldinho na bad player because he flopped in AC Milan?

Kaka wey flop for Real Madrid nko?

Who told you because he was bad they loaned him off?

i don't think analysts here are against the name tag ''tap-in merchant'' if it fits but they feel, including myself that kelechi's all round game is more than mere tap-ins.

inzanghi the patron saint of tap-ins if in his whole career he scored the kind of goals iheanacho has been scoring he would have been nominated multiple times for ballond'or.

BascoVanVeli:
So we now live in a world were complimenting somebody is ridiculing them, u guys are acting stanlike and childish. So u mean calling Mutiu Adepoju the Head master was also ridiculing him? U said it urself a goal is a goal so why the fuss? It is always good wen people are buzzing about u that means u are doing something right. I rather start every match and be the tap in merchant than the bench warmer. If it was so easy Bony would still be there.

lol guy went to ac milan when dem see his quality (or lack thereof) no one told them before they off loaded him.

taiwo has never been great defensively. it's only his athleticism and sweet left foot that saw him through all those years. on oshaniwa his lack off playing time at hearts is worrisome but i think he deserves the benefit of the doubt to prove himself.

rohr has a big job on his hand solving this LB conundrum

TheGoodJoe:

Some think left-back role is about tearing shots at goalkeeper from the left.

i don't think you have been watching alot of man city this season. most of their goals have been within the 18 yard box as a result of intricate passing football. sterling shooting? which day did you see that one? goodjoe abeg you are the manchester city person here please educate us.

Mickael2:
exactly, Pep wants his players to shoot more, De Bruyne shoots a lot and he is the only main figure of Pep's city, Sterling too is shooting more. that's what Pep wants so Iheanacho should start shooting more

excuse me what risk? bro watch kelechi's game more closely. most times when he gets the ball at the edge of the 18 his back is always to the goal how do you then want him to shot at goal? by the time he's facing goal defenders are swarming all over him so do you want him to turn to messi overnight and dribble them all?

your argument would have been logical if you brought up stats of how many passes he receives within the 18 and how many he utilizes.

Mickael2:
it shows that he doesn't take risks, Messi under Pep took risks, Xavi and Iniesta and the lot of them took risks, high risk high reward that's his game. so waiting until you are one on one with the goalkeeper to take a shot isn't Pro's game right

disagree with you. that stat just shows how scarily efficient he is and his level of football intelligence. he has no time for useless dribbles with no end result. just feed and see him score or assist

Mickael2:
I would argue that it shows his lack of inventiveness, as a striker you need to be taking shots not being conservative, seventeen shots on target from eleven games isn't a good return

very classless of him. being the centre of attention at your own friends wedding not good

happy married life to them though

PrettyCrystal:
A Nigerian young man and his girlfriend were the center of attention at a recent wedding ceremony. The Best man at the wedding -got down on his knees and proposed to his sweetheart in the presence of surprised guests. Of course, the lady said YES to him. Congratulations to the intending couple.

Source; http://www.nationalhelm.net/2016/10/best-man-shocks-his-girlfriend-at-his.html

k'tope éyan mi

forgiveness:
You know something. thank you very much.

yeah he didn't play the DM position in the classic manner like a makalele, oliseh etc per se but i think his discipline and good positioning made westerhof field him in that role. adepoju was really talented. i consider him one of the most underrated and unheralded players that we ever produced. he was a good foil for oliseh. i remember the master class him and oliseh gave the south africans in the semi-finals of AFCON 2000.

i feel if he had played in the midfield alongside oliseh and jayjay against cameroon in AFCON 2000 and denmark in france 98 the outcomes of those games might have been different

Icon4s:
Yeah, age caught up with Nwosu after Maroc '88. One questions whether he was really 17 @ Nigeria '80.

Adepoju was more of an AMF, though he could play also as a CMF.
Just like today severally AMFs then could be drafted as CMFs.
But the main CMF under Westerhof before JJ Okocha was Thompson Oliha.

Did Adepoju ever play as a DMF?

ok i don see am. forgiveness nawa to you o! na USA 94 and AFCON 94 icon dey talk. for where algeria 90 come join enter?

Icon4s:
Pls read that paragraph forgiveness bolded again.

henry nwosu was really promising but faded away after 88 AFCON

90-92 it was a combination of oliha, ekpo and adepoju. adepoju could play CM but westerhof primarily used him as a DM

Icon4s:
1.Henry Nwosu was a CMF/AMF. I am sure u know players were nt as dynamic as they are today. Eg LB and RB hardly overlaped. And pls who controlled the midfield if not Nwosu.

2. Friday Ekpo was at Senegal '92 but a sub to Oliha. Thompson Oliha was the main CMF before Okocha took over. He even benched Okocha at the 1994 AFCON and '94 WC. Did i see you mention Okocha for 1992? Was Adepoju a CMF?

3. There are so many information u cant find on the net. Several. It is only when u withness those events that u can have such info.