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Anyone can kill in the name of God wrongly. Difference is that while christians acknowledge that killings that were done in the name of God was wrong, muslims to this day justify these killings. Is jihad a current valid doctrine in islam? What do the contemporary muslims say about Jihad today? Do they distance themselves or embrace such beliefs as jihad?

TAKE SIDES WITH GOD

Someone asked me, "what do i do with my dreams and life goals." Whatever your dreams are put them in the hands of God. Give them to him and see him mould them to his purpose. Submit them to his hand so that there would be a greater essence to your life beyond provision for you and yours. For "he is able to do exceedingly, abundantly above all we can ask or imagine according to his power that works in us"(Ephesians 3:20). God is yearning to use women, men, boys, girls to show his beauty and splendour
"so that they will be called oaks of righteousness planted by Adonai, in which he takes pride" (Isaiah 61:3 cjb)

Get enlisted in the movement of God in this day. Man is building, has been building and will always build. I mean building of glorious empires and systems. Nothing wrong here but because of the susceptibility of man to the wicked one, in the course of building, man will always give his authority to and fulfill the purpose of the wicked one, most times unconsiously. Luke 4:5-6 reads "Then the devil, taking [Jesus] up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, 'All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.'"

We watch movies everyday. Most movies have the main characters called the "hero" and also the bad guy called the "villian" or the "actor" and "booss" in Nigerian english, lol. Many-a-times the villian has it all good until the ending parts of the movie when justice is served and they are punished. You see these movies we watch are a model of the world we live in today.

You cannot flow along with the world system because it seems to prosper today. See what God said about Pharoah leader of Egypt, "But indeed for this purpose I have promoted you, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." (Exodus 9:16)
God allowed Pharoah to prosper so that he would show his glory over and above Pharoah, the then world power.

Side with God! There is no being as faithful as he. For those that say, its a difficult thing to follow God, I feel your pain. Yes there is a how to going about that venture (which I hope to touch in subsequent write ups) but would you be bold enough to give your heart to him today? Pray a prayer of comittment to God and receive his salvation this hour. If you hear his voice in your heart today do not harden your heart. You must understand that God wants to use your life as his brilliant masterpiece today. The world systrm is headed somewhere. Would you trust God this day to take your life and make it a wondeful, beautiful piece? He's waiting...common make that comittment today. Ask him to forgive your sins and give him your heart.

God bless you and see you soon!

Maximus69:
You're open-minded Sir, so i'll implore you to compare each text in different versions of the Bible to fully grasp what the author had in mind.

The Bible was originally written in three languages, the first 39 books were written in Hebrew and Aramaic, while the remaining 27 were written in Greek.

Each translators have to go and study this three languages, cultures, quotes and proverbs in other to fully understand any document written in those languages. For instance i'm a Yoruba man from Ogun, before a foreigner can translate any document in my dialect successfully, he/she needs to interact with my people and carefully study our quotes and proverbial expressions.

The Bible text translated as SPIRIT has various meaning based on the topic the writers had in mind, that's why it's advisable not to concentrate on one particular version to judge what others believe regarding the Bible texts!

*There is no scripture that specifically say that God's holy spirit is NOT a person neither is there any that say it is. Each of us is just speculating based on our past religious view regarding what God's holy spirit stands for.

God bless you Sir!

God bless you bro. You see at the end of the day I hope we find agreement but even if we do not, your prayer for me should be "Father open his eyes" if I am wrong and the same prayer I would extend to God for you if you are wrong.

My understanding from scriptutes is that indeed non living things can be personalized just as you stated but even the scriptute you pointed, we can easily intetpret it as "wisdom is justified by its fruits or results" but we cannot do same for some of those scriptures on the Holy Spirit.

Again this is my understanding.

Stay blessed!

Maximus69:
Jesus need to personalise the holy spirit to help his friends realizes how active it could be. In the same manner Jesus personalised "WISDOM" to help them understand that they can identify the group possessing this quality as if members of such a group are born to the same person! Luke 7:35

But if you compare Jesus' comment to that of Apostle Paul who is now (a born again Christian) writing letters under the inspiration of this same spirit, Paul reasoned with his fellow believers that God's holy spirit could be active in many ways! 1Corinthians 12:12-13

As for Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 the scriptures stated specifically that the spirit (breath) of all creatures comes from the same place and it all returned to the same place!
Verse 21 only makes us to understand that we shouldn't think the breath(spirit) of man is going to heaven while that of beasts goes to the grave.

All are from the same place and all returned to the same place, the only advantage humans have is the type of works we do {Matthew 7:23} if it's virtuous then we have a hope of coming back to live again! Ecclesiastes 3:22 compared to Job 14:14-15 and John 5:28-29

Yes you can personalize non living things in a sense but like in one of the scriptures I pointed to you, the scriptures show that the Spirit has an initiative and knows so much more than he reveals to the church but only reveals per time the bit that the Father would have him reveal.

"He that searches the hearts knows what is in the mind of the Spirit" (Romans 8:27)

These are activities of persons. There is no scripture that specifically says the Spirit ain't a person.

"For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth"

Solomon was saying that humans and animals have a common source of vitality I.e. they were all activated by the breath of God. He says man has no advantage over beasts because man's body and animal's bodies return to dust but in talking specifically about the spirit of man/animals he makes a distinction but he is not even sure. He says "who knows". Do not base a theology on "who knows"

Lets see John 5:28-29: "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment." He not only mentions people that have done good but also people that have done evil.

Also the same Ecclesiastes 12:7 reads:
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

Maximus69:
When next you smash a mosquito, know now that a spirit comes out it and it's the same as that of man! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

God himself is a SPIRIT {John 4:24} so he only sends out a powerful force to accomplish his purposes, that force is not an entity on it's own.

Angels are spirit beings too, but unlike our heavenly father, they can't send out such active force, they must use their very existence to carry out any task as spirits!

Jesus is also an angel too!

Note how a lady without notice tapped from Jesus' power, since Jesus is NOT the Almighty God he realized that power went out of his body without his concent!

God's holy spirit devoured Abel's sacrifice, caused and stopped the deluge in Noah's day, made Abraham and Sarah to have a child in their old age, parted the red sea, anointed Jesus at baptism, anointed over 120 persons at Pentecost just to mention few!

So God's holy spirit is not a person but what he uses to accomplish his own purposes.

You use each part of your body to do certain things, the same way God does whatever he wishes with his holy spirit!

The term HOLY simply means PURE, so don't expect this same spirit to do things that's NOT in accord with God's will, that's why you need to study your Bible to know what God's will is, so that you won't be deceived when demons are doing their works and pretending it's the work of God's holy spirit! Matthew 7:21-23, 2Corinthians 11:14

"For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from pthe dust, and to dust all return. Who knows whether qthe spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth"

You are quoting from Ecclesiastes but left out verse 21 above. But I'm not even sure how that applies to the discussion. The bible says the Spirit does all those things you mention. But more than that scriptures show that he has capacity to do things attributable to persons.

"when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come." (John 16:13)

"All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually has he wills." (1 Co 12:11)

Barristter07:
You don't get? Spirit of man is not a person. Likewise Spirit of God , thats why Jesus said Only the Father knows. It's not a person.

The spirit of man is not a person but the Spirit of God is as evidenced by the many emotions, deeds and characters of His all through scriptures. It is very telling that the Spirit of God works with believers on the earth today whilst the Father is in heaven. This cannot be said about humans whose spirits reside within their being.

Barristter07:
Do you know that the spirit of man is not a separate person ? Just for you too see further reason why only the Father at Matthew 24:36 has no exception

that's what I've been trying to say. The truine nature of man reflects God but not totally. The spirit of man is in man but the Spirit of God may be on the earth whilst the Father is in heaven.

Barristter07:

Read Revelation 1:1 God the Father gave Jesus all the things said in Revelation. So the name that was written was given by the Father . As Jesus said the son can do nothing of his own will . THE WRITER/NAME GIVER is exempted .

At Matthew 24:36 there is no exception, either it's only the Father or Jesus lied. He again told his apostles the day and hour is only in the Father authority . TWO TIMES. No exception here

The passage in Revelations has no exception too. It doesn't say that hhimself knew except his Father. "Only himself" is "Only himself"

If God revealed everything to Jesus including an event where Jesus had a name written on his head which NOBODY knows except JESUS HIMSELF, if you take Matthew 24 at face value you have to take this at face value too. What you are doing in Revelations is that you are interpreting a clear statement in the light of the entire scriptures which is the right thing to do but when we try to do same in matthew 24 you insist on face value.

If the Spirit has access to the thoughts of God then what could be hidden from Him?

If that passage in Matthew had mentioned that even the Spirit doesn't know, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. See 1 Cor 2 mentions that what your spirit is to you is what the Holy Spirit is to God. Here is the difference between you and God: No man knows the things of a man except the spirit WHICH IS IN MAN. Similarly no one knows the things of God excpet the Spirit of God.

Note that when the scripture was talking about the man, it mentions that the spirit is IN man but not so for God. Here is the difference.

CAPTIVATOR:
English language is not hard, is it ? When he said my servant , whom I have chosen . Is that futuristic ? When was Jesus CHOSEN for redemption , on Earth ?

He was chosen before He came to earth (past) but no matter how far back he was chosen, that event was preceded by His glory state which was also a spiritual reality. If Jesus was always a servant there would be no need for him to be transformed to the form of a servant.

Barristter07:
Philippians 2:9 clear. Also note this Jesus can't do anything of his own will.

So that text is clear enough when it says " Written " . With exemption of he who writes or gave the name

Was there any exception at Matthew 24:36 ? None!!! Any other person knowing makes Jesus a liar, Did he lied only the Father knows ?

In Phil 2:9 the name is known to all I.e. Jesus. This is not the name that was refered to in revelations which NOBODY KNOWS BUT HIMSELF.

There was no exception in Matthew and there was no exception also in Revelations.

Jesus the man was made to be subject to the Will of the Father.

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is not the Creator - Matthew 19:4,6 . he gave that title to his Father.



That only point to human form. doesnt change the Fact that God many years before chosed his servant . " Servant, whom I have CHoSEN " not whom I will chose

Again , Jesus have a God he worships- Rev 3:12

"apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."
Could God create the world without the Word and the Spirit? Food for thought...

The man Jesus would be wrong to not worship God. The man Jesus mediates between God and man so he is just as human.

All past, present and future events are all past in God's perspective but this does not rule out the fact that there was a certain time that Jesus took up the form of a servant and Isaiah 42 speaks to that time. The contents of that scripture was clearly during his time on the earth not in his glorified state whilst with God.

All things were created....for him.
"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was"
(John 17:5)

Barristter07:
[u] The text never said He has a name which no one knows, but a qualifier was added which excepted the writer " Written " compare Rev 2:7 .

Pay attention to the bold, the name was written by someone, clearly he got it from his Father .

The language of Matthew 24:36 doesnt call for any third party, Its specific and direct ... It didnt say the day was written whereby maybe the Father employed the service of anyone to write it on a wall , its a Sole Knowledge. Nobody Knows except one single person, The Father .

Please be specific. Which text? Was the verse too audacious that someone had to add a line? "He has a name written" doesn't automatically spell out that the name was given to him by another. What parts of God's thoughts does the spirit lack access to?

Janosky:
(1).
Between the spiritual realm and the physical realm,which exists first ?
Which is more powerful and stronger?

1 Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us only one God, the Father,
who is the CREATOR OF ALL" , deal with it, bro.

Hebrew 1:2 refers to the time when Jesus sonship predates the physical realm (universe).

Rev 3:5,12 in the spiritual realm Jesus sonship is incontrovertible.
The Greek Dia= THROUGH , another key point for emphasis.

(2).
Jesus is a servant/son of the God of Abraham, Acts 3:13. He has always been so, before his earthly sojourn

The human side of Jesus is very much at force today as it was mentioned in Revelations.
The spiritual reality of Him becoming flesh would never undo the spiritual reality of His times of glory in the beginning.
"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:5).
Even if the reference of the verse was historical, the use of "Son" is in the light of present reality. If your name was formerly Jan in the 60s but Janosky today, it's perfectly normal if I say today, "Janosky created the first aircraft in 1960."

Janosky:
Don't confuse yourself.
The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or "by means of him" ,that's the correct expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians 3:14-15).

** See other evidences below:
(*1)
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world
was made through Him, the world did not
recognize Him.
(*2)
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom
we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we exist.
(*3)
Colossians 1:16
For in Him all things were created, things in
heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities. All things were created through
Him and for Him.

(*4)
Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe.


Lexicon (John1:3)
** THROUGH
δι’ (di’)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1223: A primary preposition
denoting the channel of an act; through.
** Him
αὐτοῦ (autou)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive
Masculine 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 846: He, she, it, they, them,
same. From the particle au; the reflexive
pronoun self, used of the third person, and
of the other persons.
*** all things
πάντα (panta)
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 3956: All, the whole, every
kind of. Including all the forms of
declension; apparently a primary word; all,
any, every, the whole.
*** were made,"

Question:
Ephesians 3:14-15, is Jesus the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes their name?

He would always rever the Father. I would not expect the man Jesus to do otherwise. To put it in another way, God the Father did not create the world solely without the involvement of His Spirit and Word.

Janosky:
(1)

The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or
"by means of him" ,that's the correct
expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the
Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my
Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians
3:14-15).

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe. "

Proof: Jesus Christ was a Son of God BEFORE the His Father made the universe THROUGH his son.



(2).
Romans 8:3
Because spirit beings can not live on earth.

(2)
Yes I was simply telling Captivator that that passage in Isaiah 42 references his job as a servant for redemption and he wasn't always so if not he wouldn't need to become one.

(1)
At the time Hebrews was written Jesus was the Son. It's just like saying "Mohammed Ali was a non-Muslim."
The above statement does not prove that he was Muhammed Ali before he got converted to Islam. We are calling him Ali now in the light of recent events but we unsunderstand that he was Clay at the time he wasn't a Muslim.

Janosky:
Don't confuse yourself.
The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or "by means of him" ,that's the correct expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians 3:14-15).
See the evidences below:
(*1)
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world
was made through Him, the world did not
recognize Him.
(*2)
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom
we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we exist.
(*3)
Colossians 1:16
For in Him all things were created, things in
heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities. All things were created through
Him and for Him.

(*4)
Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe.


Lexicon
** THROUGH
δι’ (di’)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1223: A primary preposition
denoting the channel of an act; through.
** Him
αὐτοῦ (autou)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive
Masculine 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 846: He, she, it, they, them,
same. From the particle au; the reflexive
pronoun self, used of the third person, and
of the other persons.
*** all things
πάντα (panta)
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 3956: All, the whole, every
kind of. Including all the forms of
declension; apparently a primary word; all,
any, every, the whole.
*** were made,"

Question:
Ephesians 3:14-15, is Jesus the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes their name?

The argument is not about whether or not whether God is His Father or not or whether He did it solely without any other being. Scriptures are clear regarding these matters.

I pointed out that Jesus was more than just a channel or as Captivator would put it, a secretary writing a letter for his boss who takes the glory because the letter was both the boss' idea and for his purpose also. Scriptures declare that "all things were made....for Him"

Jesus cannot be the Father because he took up humanity for the salvation of you and me.

CAPTIVATOR:
My servant, whom I have chosen , Not whom I will chose . its already a done deal... As at that point when God chosed him in heaven, was he a servant or not ? U lack comprehension

Bros no be fight na. It's always a lovely thing to reason in scriptures so it's always nice to look at other perspectives. I can't know all and you can't either. We all learn from each other daily.

My understanding is that God exists outside time so time is not the matter here. I said that the scripture you quoted was made in reference to Christ's redemptive work on the earth. The passage in Colossians shows that not only did Jesus create everything but that He also created them for Himself which is at variance with the analogy you gave about a master asking his secretary to write a letter and taking the glory.

If Christ was always a servant why did He need to undo His divine nature and take up the form of a servant at a certain point as revealed in Phil 2:6?

Barristter07:
@ chrmn1

Here is Matthew 24:36



"But concerning that day and hour, no one knows , not even the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, except the Father only. "

Emphasis on the underlined, NO ONE KNOWS ... That rule out anyone else knowing . so you are lost at 1. either admitting Holy spirit doesn't know OR

2. accepting Holy spirit is just a power of the Father not a person , therefore not to be captured among no one knows .

Hectic day it's been!

I submit that you can ask a servant to do work and claim the credit but the bible says everything was created by Jesus and for Jesus so clearly He is much more than an assistant in the process. Nebuchadnezzar has no say here because was a proud and boastful man and he even declared himself to be ruler of the word, if I recall correctly. If God said He did it alone and all things were created for Him and yet also the same bible says all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus, you have to pay attention. This is not quite the same as the Moses' example.

Rev 19:12-13 reads "His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that NO ONE KNOWS BUT HIMSELF. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God"

Can we also say that the Father doesn't know since it was emphasized "but Himself" referring to Christ?

If the Spirit has access to the thoughts of the Father I wonder which of the contents He wouldn't know.

shadeyinka:
I don't know what you mean by figurative death?

Death is a Disconnection or Separation. There are three kinds of death
1. Physical Death:
When the Soul/Spirit is Disconnected from the Body
2. Spiritual Death:
When a human Spirit is Disconnected from God
3. Second Death:
When a human body, soul and spirit is permanently/eternally disconnected from God.

As for Jesus on the Cross, His soul/spirit was disconnected from his body.

Isa 53:12:
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

I salute you sire. Very very well constructed.

CAPTIVATOR:
When you as a Boss , write a letter through your secretary or servant, Who owns Letter ? you. The recipient would never attribute the letter to anyone else. Jesus is Gods servant . Isaiah 42:1 . so that's different, you can do something through your servant and claim all the honor, .


But here is a Case of ONLY the Father knows, Does that not rule any other person out ?

If you as a Boss have access to some confidential info, if you tell any other person, are you still the only one ? Common sense brother

Isaiah 42 was in reference to his role after taking up human form, "servant". Col 1:16 reads that all things were created by Him and for Him so that servant analogy doesn't hold water. Jesus was very much the centre of creation not the servant you portray him to be. So for God to say He created the world alone shows that there is a coded message in this all.

CAPTIVATOR:
He cant be both. A divine spirit does not have flesh and bone. Its either you call him a man or a divine being. Choose

It's like you are a little confused. You initally said He is a divine spirit but the scriptures say He has flesh and bones (human).

I have maintained he is both divine and human.

CAPTIVATOR:
Paul refer to his previous identity as human.

Let me play along with you, That means Christ isn't divine. , agree ?

he is also divine just as you have been trying to prove to me all along.

CAPTIVATOR:
Seems you have no clue anymore.

Jesus said ONLY the Father knows. One single person, does that not tell you no OTHER person knows ?

You can only make sense if you admit holy spirit isnt a person, but so far you insist it is, You are CONTRADICTING Jesus by saying TWO PERSONS KNOW

I am not contradicting Jesus. If contradiction is God saying He created the world all by Himself and we know that He created the world through Christ then I am happy with my contradiction. There is no contradiction here but you willfuly do not see the coded message in the seeming contradiction because of your biases.

CAPTIVATOR:
You are not serious, we are talking about DIVINE nature, you are saying nonsense. Its either Christ has a Divine nature in heaven or human nature, he cant be both. Is Jesus DIVINE or a man ?

my dear, I did not manufacture that scripture. Are you saying that Christ's ministry of mediation only applied to when he was on the earth?

CAPTIVATOR:
Simply because Jesus rely on his power to do all he did. He can't function without Gods power.

Back to the matter, This Holy spirit we are talking about . a different person right ? So how many person knows the day and hour ?

I have answered you. Meanwhile you evaded my question in Isaiah 44

CAPTIVATOR:
NwT would never use worship for any person except God Almighty, not even Jesus. So trying to use NWT as reference will wound you.

Are u aware the same Greek word translated worship in the case of Jesus when u said " Let all angels of God worship him " is the Exact same at Rev 3:9 ?? Are u saying its a wrong translation for Jesus too ?

I did not mention only NWT but again I put it to you that if God sanctions human worship, He'd be a liar.

CAPTIVATOR:
This is called materializing, Angels did it in the past, it doesnt make them human. Once their mission is done, the human body vanish. If thats the case, Jesus can't be human in heaven where Spirit beings Live

Man is essentially spirit, soul and body. This is different from a spirit/angel who has no body.

The bible says "the MAN Jesus is the mediator between God and man."

CAPTIVATOR:
Who accept worship , is it not God ?

Didnt they accept worship at Rev 3:9 ?

You hijack a conversation you cant handle

No He didn't. Check up most of the translations including the one you trust. It says "bow down at your feet"

God would be a liar if He sanctions worship of any entity other than God.

CAPTIVATOR:
According to Jesus, you cant be human being and divine spirit being at the same time, Jesus said a Spirit DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES!!!

SO ITS EITHER Jesus is a spirit being or flesh ( human being ) at Rev 3:12 . he cant be both .


Do you again disagree with Jesus ?

Yes I agree with Jesus.

A spirit has no flesh and bones but a spirit can wear flesh and bones. The disciples were amazed because they thought the being they had seen was spirit not a man. Jesus said I am a man. Holy Spirit has no flesh/bone so if he had showed up in that room the disciples wouldn't be able to feel his bones.

2 Cor 4:16, 2 Thessalonians 5:23 among other scriptures show that man is essentially made up of both spirit and flesh.

Barristter07:
Explain how its related to Matt 24:36 ?

Its either two persons or one like Captivator pointed out.

Here God Almighty says He created all things by Himself alone but scattered through out scriptures is the idea that He created all things through Christ? Did He lie, no. If you understand why He did not lie, you would easily see the point I have been trying to make to my friend Captivator.

CAPTIVATOR:
How about the humans that are worshipped, do u accept they are God ?

They are not God. Who made them God?

CAPTIVATOR:
Spirit does not have flesh and bones, Do u agree with this ? And is it found in the scriptures ?

Jesus is not only a physical body. Were it so he couldn't function on the earth. Do you agree that man has a combination of spirit, soul and body? Maybe we should start from there.

In fact you were the one even arguing with me that Jesus is not human but a divine spirit in Revelations.