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jonbellion:
the matter just tire me
I'm sure the HardMirror guy would be claiming a higher sense of morality
But yet he stooped so low
So so low
So disappointing to me as an unbeliever
I'm telling you that guy has no social life or no sex life
Heck it might be both

Couldn't agree more sire. A big lol to your last statement.

Emmanystone:
Go in there, Christians are still pointing out his lies to him, but all of a sudden his thread was moved to FP.
This is what actually brought us all here.

I knew absolute nothing about the thread until it was moved to FP

Initemi:
Yes...I finally signed up because of you hard mirror..
Now you first said you were active in fellowship and we don't know you on campus? Any way I finished from Futa 2015. I entered 2010
And I was a serious committed member of CACCF, Christ singers and we do have ALUMNI meeting every year and such case was not mentioned...of course you know if such cases occurred definitely every fellowship report to school management if dey lost Any of their fellowship member....it would have been trendy den.
I have some questions to ask yu...
Yoruba says...ti ogun e ni BA da ni loju, a maa fi n GBA ri ni...
What year did you enter futa? When did you join work force of asf cos I get some ASF MEMBER AS FRIENDS
PLENTY
If you are proud to be a backslided pastor to an atheist, show us your pics..and tell us your name...at least for verification if you v been saying the truth
Now concerning HOWMON.....WHEN HE WAS STILL A STUDENT......HE WAS VERY COMMITTED... MEMBER OF CHRIST SINGER(CHOIR UNIT OF CACCF)....AND WHEN I WAS IN 500LEVEL....WE INVITED HIM FOR OUR CONCERT AS GUEST MINISTER ALONG SIDE WITH SIS TOYIN FOLORUNSHO (ALUMNUS OF ALTO CHRIST SINGERS).... I am a Christian till Christ comes....I don't need to hide my identity...My name is Agbolade Anuoluwapo Temiloluwa for verification....I was my 200 Level coordinator, a choir member,I was 100level coordinator when I was in 400level...to show u some level of my commitment....
Tell us who you are and trace you if try u were....I have senior colleagues, level mate and junior colleagues ASF....TO prove all D's ur statement....futa is a very small school....from obanla to obakekere....
Here is a pics of Bro Solomon (howmon) when he was still in caccf

Didn't know Howmon was such a fine boy

dalaman:
Exposing a person for acts f hypocrisy is not stooping low in anyway. The same things he is accussing hardmirror for, he himself does them. He lied that he once raised a dead person back to life. I asked him for details he refused saying he doesn't want to display the person's name in public. He claimed to have cured someone's HIV by praying with the person over the phone. If you ask him for details about the person he will start blabbing. I juse dislike his hypocrisy. He is a known liar and as such he shouldn't be castigating and shaming others for telling lies.

I wouldn't hold brief for anyone without having adequate details but I think it's only fair to allow him serve his ban and defend himself against your accusations.

Hard Mirror meaning:
the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth

Examples:
1. don't think you can hardmirror me, i'm too smart to fall for that trick
2. Depressed people usually hardmirror themselves
3. I will never take Collins spider seriously again because he has a knack for hardmirroring people

Ladies and gentlemen, you may now update your vocab

Seun:
I'm yet to see any comment from ASF people on this thread. If HardMirror's story is a fabrication, why won't they come out and debunk it?

why not address the one you have evidence about first

You have been shown ample evidence that somebody lied on NL but you have decided to shove it away

8. Don't post false information on Nairaland

RoadsAndGreen:
that bolded is false.

they are just like the religious people. arrogant, hard headed and hypocrites. all those so called wise atheists that were drooling on his thread have ignored this thread like a pleague. even the ones that came do so in defence of the lie

thats a shameful thing to do if you ask me.

they are a disgrace to objective humans

well I was referring to the initial time when hard mirror's lie became clear for all to see. And in fairness some did call him out for his lies. I noticed though that since mirror decided to defend his lie, they have either tried to derail the thread by asking questions they could have easily asked in other threads or tried to give their brother some sort of soft landing. No qualms at all but I'm happy lessons are being learnt in all these.

Seun:
Good point, but your concessions may have been premature. I'm not comfortable throwing atheists under a bus like this unless Im 100% sure.

Mr. Seun, it's not so hard is it? Forget about the genuineness of the whole story for now as we cannot either confirm or debunk the entire story just yet. But what information do we have now?

HardMirror says there was a certain brother he knows who died. He was asked for the name of the said brother and he didn't say he didn't know the brother's name but kept avoiding the question. When he was put on the spot, he said people who thought he wouldn't come up with the required information would eat their words. At the same time he was claiming he knew the brother, his chat with the Howmon fellow offline confirmed that he actually didn't know the name. Can you see anything here? A lie.

If he had come out to apologize that he got that part of the story wrong, it would not be unfair to give him the benefit of the doubt but guess what up till present, he still insists that he has not told a lie much to the disgust of even atheists that have been on previous threads (these people have shown they are honourable fellows by the way and I give them my respect for that)

Don't make this look like a Christian vs Athiest combat. There are so many other threads for that. All we are asking is that you adjudicate this case justly and honourably by addressing the lie HardMirror told but consistently denied he told. That's a good way to start. The chats (offline and online) were there for all to see. Though I cannot see them anymore. Not sure what happened to them and Damogul.

Please address the lie HardMirror told. From there, things would flow naturally.

Thank you

truthhurts2well:
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The lying identity or the honest one?

the way it is now, even if he revealed his true identity, I'll take it with a pinch of salt. If he says he's a male, research would need to be conducted to ascertain if he's a guy or girl. That said, I doubt that someone with that magnitude of integrity issues would reveal his true identity.

Scholar8200:
if old students have confirmed that NOBODY died during that period then the case is closed. Perhaps we should also ask them if they were aware of the exploits described by hard mirror therein. This will help us know how far other details therein could be trusted.

problem is there would have been so many fellowship members doing great exploits and the last thing HardMirror would do is reveal his true identity

HardMirror:
Even paulgrundy is claiming his imperfect memory made him say the dead brother was my prayer partner. Lol
So what are we saying?

difference is paulgrundy has admitted he was wrong but hardmirror on the other hand says he's not lied up till present despite overwhelming evidence against him.

Seun:
I guess a public investigation isn't going to work. The Christians want to discredit HardMirror at all costs because they think souls are at stake. Anyone who says anything that stands in the way of their goal will be accused of being all sorts of things. So where do we go from here?

We don't need to make this unecessarily complex:

1. You can ask HardMirror if he lied about the information about the deceased brother. If he still claims he never lied, you have the screen shots showing his convo with the guy offline telling him he wasn't sure of the name if the brother whilst he was still claiming online that he knows the brother's name

2. If that part of the story is shown to have been cooked up, how certain are we about the rest of the story? For all we know it could still be true despite the wrong information about the dead brother and then it could be a farce as well. But at least if we solve number 1 above at least we would've made some progress

Seun:
In other words, he was a fellowship executive. Noted. Like a judge I know nothing except what has been presented to me.

to put simply. HardMirror claims to have been in asf while the said deceased brother was in caccf but according to his story he knew the deceased brother. This information was refuted by all the caccf members that were asked to confirm. Initially HardMirror avoided answering when the question about the name of the brother was posed to him. Afterwards he told us that he was going to give us the name of the said individual that we should be patient.

It became apparent that he didn't know the name of the brother when we saw his chat with howmon offline. Whilst he claimed to know the name of the brother on nairaland, he appeared unsure of the name when he was conversing with the fellow offline.

So it's safe to say the burden of proof rests with him because even the former caccf members were willing to go ahead and still recheck if he would just give them the name of the person he claimed to know.

We've had at least 24 hours of investigation so I don't think it'd be efficient to start yeh process all over again. If HopefulLandlord is sincere enough (I sure believe he is, I give my respect to him in that regard) he should tell you his findings about this entire episode and then you can take it up front there

Many thanks

Seun:
Thanks. I'm going through howmon's posts now

welldone Seun but I think you also need to speak to HopefulLandlord. He was the one that umpired the investigation or offline questioning and information gathering.I'm sure he can tell you a thing or two about this whole saga

Seun:
HardMirror, why won't you reveal the name? Can you reveal it to me privately?


Did they say nobody died due to fasting, or that nobody died? The claim is that he died of ulcer which HardMirror thinks was caused by fasting.

HardMirror made a lot of claims basically saying he was a very spiritual brother. He included details such as the contentious one about the brother. For some reason, some guys in the thread felt his claims were not true. I for one believed the entirety of his story. As it happened one guy named howmon or so who happened to finish from the school and attended the said fellowship stepped up to say he wasn't aware of the said death of any member that year. A few others confirmed that no such event occured after offline conversations amongst demogul (hope I got that correct), howmon and hard mirror. HardMirror tried to discredit the report that wasn't in his favour but we were shown whatsapp chats of conversations that went on amongst the fellowship members (they have an active whatsapp group).

Also, despite that HardMirror appeared to be dead sure about the identity of the said deceased person, in his offline conversation with the fellowship member, he said he appeared unsure of the said deceased person, exposing a clear lie on his part.

A lot of atheists who had previously rooted for him had to call him out when it became all too obvious that his story had some sort of 'k-leg'. Notable among those who did was RaphieMontella who honourably dismissed HardMirror as lacking credibility.

Whilst it seemed a minute detail, no one knows how much modification has gone into the story - 1%, 10%, 60% or even a hundred. No one knows.

The most funny part of all these is that Hardmirror has refused to admit lying up till this moment even after he's been shamed and called out by people who stuck their necks out for him, previously

Hope this clarifies

HardMirror:
Yes I mean it. I am breaking my word just this once. What is the purpose of this thread when the other one is still there?

your name should be hardened criminal not hard mirror. Even when it's obvious you lied, you still claim otherwise. Smh!

timmy2409:
Speaking of people that have incentives to lie about the validity or invalidity of miracles, think about this for a moment.

If a pastor claims that a miracle is real and that he performed it, what would he gain? Oh.. well larger congregations & followership, which means more money from tithes and more people desperate for solutions. Think about how rich miracle preachers in Nigeria are as well as the likes of Benny Hinn, Reinhard Bonnke etc

Now, if HardMirror lies about his time as a pastor, claiming that miracles (in the supernatural sense) are actually not real, please educate me, what would he gain?

he'll gain the needed attention he badly lacks being a closet atheist.

Mimzyy:

you've got to know God for yourself beyond what anybody says about Him or beyond whatever is written in any book. God demands faith but He also does reward faith. What I mean by that is even though God won't normally give you a proof first and then ask you to believe. (His modus operandi is, He'll ask you to believe and when you do, He'll show Himself to you i.e. give you proof).That act of baby like faith is your proof of love towards Him and He does reward this.
"They that come to God must believe that He is (i.e. that He exists) and that He is a rewarder of they that diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6).

"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."(Jeremiah 29:13)

If you have never experienced God or heard from Him, try worship and then study the Word. Try this: worship God till you are moved to tears. It really does work.

I used to dedicate Friday nights to seeking God. I would close ft on work by 7 and then sleep by 9 or 10. I would wake up very early like 3 or 4 and worship God, pray in the spirit and all. I noticed whenever I did this, I used to feel 'lighter' and then it was easier for me to pick things beyond my natural knowledge / accurate information that I couldn't have come up with by myself

Contrary to what some folks think, God proves Himself. Only that they seek this proof in some laboratory. Unfortunately for them, your God is bigger than any lab in the world and wouldn't need to condescend.

There's no problem with deciding ones beliefs. Collins Spider aka hard mirror hit a new low by fabricating a story to prove a moot point. I actually followed the thread he opened and what got my attention was something said about his motive for opening the thread which read something like this: 'I just want you people to realize that not all atheists that were previously christians were the unserious ones'. When the bubble bust I for one was very surprised because I took the story to be authentic without any reservations.

Question is can you trust such an individual? You know the answer. If he tells you the colour of his blood is red tomorrow would you believe him?

He has simply shown himself to be a very childish person and also it brings to light the kind of person he is - someone with no social life. They are the ones that do such silly stuff

jonbellion:
lol there was no point in lying
Why did he have to lie just to ridicule and put down peoples beliefs
This is what people that have no social lives do

nail on head sire. I expect every adult to decide which path they choose to walk and if it's the atheist path, all well and good. But to cook up something of this magnitude has to go down as a very shameful act. If you ask me, it tells a lot about his personal life and like you say, this is what people who have no social lives do.

HardMirror:
First let me commend you and the other guy. I am glad you guys are beginning to address my query directly. Thanks

Now to the verses you quoted. That is commendable. But if god could reason like this, why didn't he apply same to the generation of noah and sodom? Why the inconsistency?
Why is it same god says he will visit the sins of fathers on the children unto the 4th generation? Could it be that these inconsistency is a product of the different authors of the bible?
These are my thoughts

But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 19:14 KJV

But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." Matthew 19:14 NASB

damogul:
I thought the sole purpose of this thread was for others to assess your story for truth or lies and here you are trying to assess yourself by yourself and giving yourself excellent grades?

smh FutaMirror.

I am still waiting for the answer to my question.

I prefer sadmirror or better still why not just call him by his name 'collins'. Lagbaja has indeed been unmasked

raphieMontella:
so he was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D in luke 21...when he made it clear it was the end of the world?

in the destruction of jerusalem...
Did the bolded happen?
Or are the bolded not what is said to show jesus's second coming in revelation?

how does the bolded fit into jerusalem's destruction in 70 ad?
Clearly..he was talking about the end of the world..
So...Fake prophet he is?

my sincere apologies. That passage in Luke actually covers the actual event in question as well as His coming in the future. Luke 21:24 reads: "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." This is the a.d.70 bit. Verses 25 to 28 however refer to His future coming.

Having said that, let me quote the portion in question again:

"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." (Matthew 10:23)

Question is what time was He referring to when He said these words? He was referring to the coming of the Kingdom which the average Jew understood to be a physical Kingdom that would overthrow the Roman government of the day. You know earlier He'd been preaching (He and His disciples), 'repent for the kingdom of God is at hand'. In other words, the disciples were supposed to proclaim the message to all Israel that the promised King is on His way to establish His kingdom.

This was what He was alluding to. The coming of the kingdom inaugurated through the Messiah’s death. That truly ushered in the kingdom. Think Psalm 2. Christ’s resurrection and ascension marked His kingly ascent. 

Refer to the below passage from Psalms 2:1-7:

1Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

So to paraphrase that passage in Matthew 10:23, Jesus was simply telling His disciples to say to all Israel, "repent because the Messianic government promised hundreds of years back is now upon us. You guys will suffer but it won't be long before I come and establish the said government, in fact you would not have covered Israel before this happens"

damogul:
HardMirror!

Who were the presidents of the CACCF fellowship in 2009/2010 and in 2011/2012 going by the fact that your story happened between 2007 and 2012?

you are such a genius. Kudos to you and God bless you real good!

HardMirror:
Lol
The ability to pray 12hrs is childs play, a lot of brothers can do that in futa, I know you have not gotten to that level .
I am here and will be here.
Not recalling the brothers name does not make my story a lie and if you choose to focus on this just so you can wrap the whole story up as cooked up, it's your problem

Mr Collins the issue is not praying 12 hours, I'm asking you to quit a sad life of pain, anger and strife and that you apologize to well meaning individuals who if they had the opportunity to turn back the hands of time, would've played anonymous but put some faith in you and stuck out their necks for you

HardMirror:
I am not apologizing. As far as I know, what I say is true

Mr Collins aka hard mirror, you have not let me down at all so you owe me no apologies. But I dare say you let down a lot of your fans by cooking up a story to prove a moot point and I think the honorable thing to do is apologize to them. See where all the talk of your having prayed 12 hours non-stop has led you?

You know I said in a previous post that you have not told the real reason behind your decision to go the atheist way and whilst I respect your decision I just want you to know that whatever it is that happened, just don't give up. Encourage yourself and move on with life. A life of anger and strife will never amount to much. Cheers brother!

raphieMontella:
not happy with you?
How? Whats special about you that i'd be all over you or something?
Smh...
i said i meant no offence by the brainless word..but if you took it up..sorry tho..forgive me
But i wont retract my statement that the bolded was stupid...about saying atheists would say an amputee healing was staged..

why wouldn't they? Even in movies, we see stunts performed by actors. Yes I stand by what I said that if you see a minister heal an amputee on a Christian TV program, you'll dismiss it or explain it away. And even if Hard Mirror saw it happen live, he would say it happened by some sort of psychological working or categorize it under the 'unexplained healings' bracket.

raphieMontella:
stop being deluded bro...
Make sense pls.

I know you're not happy with me because of my work on this thread. It's a forum, you can call me brainless, a fool, just anything at all and I'll say a simple word of 'thank you' to you. Warm regards.

OP by his admission opened a thread detailing his experience to prove that not all atheists that were previously christians were the unserious ones. Which is true. And this is why it's such a moot point. It's the truth so he didn't even need to prove it. I know someone who was very fervent but lost a loved one and from that point he was so devastated that he turned his back on his God.

What the OP tried to do however was try to paint a picture of a brother who 'has seen it all', 'had all the experiences possible' and then tell us that it's all trash. But reading his posts you can easily tell that he had not even scratched the surface of the Christian walk as he was badly lacking in his bible basics and even the so-called experiences he had were what he wanted us to believe was the bible 'word of knowledge' gift even though it was coupled with guesswork and tricks. He was indeed very fervent and zealous (if, of course, his story is anything to go by) and didn't mind loosing his life for the cause.

Question is, is it much of a big deal to see someone who was very zealous, backslide? No its not. Usually something happens and then they begin to ask questions (not with the intention of finding genuine answers but they begin to delve into materials that harden their hearts towards God).

Now to go the length of fabricating a story is simply .......... (complete this by yourself, I have to resist the temptation of earning a ban)

The jury's still out though but OP has got nobody else to blame for his miseries because he didn't even need to prove a needless point.

OP by his admission opened a thread detailing his experience to prove that not all atheists that were previously christians were the unserious ones. Which is true. And this is why it's such a moot point. It's the truth so he didn't even need to prove it. I know someone who was very fervent but lost a loved one and from that point he was so devastated that he turned his back on his God.

What the OP tried to do however was try to paint a picture of a brother who 'has seen it all', 'had all the experiences possible' and then tell us that it's all trash. But reading his posts you can easily tell that he was badly lacking in his bible basics and even the so-called experiences he had were what he wanted us to believe was the bible 'word of knowledge' gift even though it was coupled with guesswork and tricks. He was indeed very fervent and zealous (if, of course, his story is anything to go by) and didn't mind loosing his life for the cause.

Question is, is it much of a big deal to see someone who was very zealous, backslide? No its not. Usually something happens and then they begin to ask questions (not with the intention of finding genuine answers but they begin to delve into materials that harden their hearts towards God)

Now to go the length of fabricating a story is simply .......... (complete this by yourself, I have to resist the temptation of earning a ban)

The jury's still out though but OP has got nobody else to blame for his miseries because he didn't even need to prove a needless point.

I smell lies all over the place and it's stinking the whole place out.

Anyways as guy man wey I be I go just waka pass pretend like say I no smell anything