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…No, we own the patient –NMA
Unlike his medical colleagues, the Chief Medical Director (CMD) of University College Hospital, Ibadan, Prof. Temitope Alonge, has said that the title of ‘consultancy’ in a teaching hospital should not be reserved for doctors alone. He however, explained that the terminology which could apply to other professional bodies that have got to a certain level in their career should not be confused with that of a consultant doctor which is based on years of practice in a particular specialty.

Prof Alonge who is also an Orthopaedic surgeon, divulged this to newsmen during a media parley in Lagos recently.
In the recent times, the issue of consultancy has caused quite a controversy in the medical sector, with the dispute largely blamed for the unresolved industrial actions, the consequential death tolls and the decay in the sector.

While other health professionals such as Pharm. Olumide Akintayo, the President of Pharmaceutical Society of Nigeria (PSN), has argued that the title “consultancy” as well as the position of directors, are applicable to other health professionals, a member of Nigerian Medical Association (NMA), Dr. Olubunmi Omojowolo told National Mirror that this cannot work in a teaching hospital. “Yes there are consultant nurses and pharmacists in other countries but that is only in private hospitals, it cannot work in a teaching hospital”, he said.

Report has it that the hornets’ nest was stirred when consultant nurses and pharmacists were appointed at UCH and other teaching hospitals, a development that did not go well with the doctors.

According to the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCAN), the situation became unbearable when, “consultant nurses prevented surgeons, who performed surgical procedures on patients from inspecting the surgical wounds of their own patients.” In a press conference at Ibadan, the President of MDCAN, Dr Olusegun Ayodeji Oluwole narrated how a Consultant Plastic Surgeon was barred from reviewing the surgical wound he created post-operatively because a “Consultant Nurse” had reviewed the wound earlier and was satisfied with her findings. Also at the Nnamdi Azikwe University Teaching Hospital Awka, a “Consultant Pharmacist” was reported to have invaded the wards with his team, canceled patients’ prescriptions and demanded that a Consultant Cardiologist remove a key drug in an in-patient prescription, on grounds that the drug has some known adverse effects.

On the heel of these developments, the NMA commenced an indefinite strike after issuing a 24-point demand to the government, one of which include the discontinuation of non-medical doctors as Directors and Consultants in a teaching hospital.

Pledging its resolve to continue the strike despite the Ebola outbreak, and the recent sack of 16,000 resident doctors, the NMA president Lagos branch, Dr. Kola Ojo, insists that the title of ‘Consultant’ in medical practice is reserved exclusively for a doctor that has gone through a minimum of six years postgraduate academic training.

According to him, the patient is traditionally registered under a consultant, who owns the patient and reserves all rights over the patient.
However, in a shift from the doctor’s sacrosanct view, Prof Alonge of UCH Ibadan explained that the premier teaching hospital does not concentrate effort to one cadre of medical profession alone. “Let me say that in UCH, we don’t discriminate and we implement government directives to the letters. The Federal Government has issued a mandate that everyone should get to the peak of their career”.

He expressed the view that other members of the health sector have the right to be made directors in teaching hospitals explaining that “very soon, we are going to have directors of pharmacy, nursing, physiotherapy at UCH. All of these people are Level-17 officers and we must give them their due rights”.
While reacting to the incident of ‘consultant nurses’ and ‘pharmacists’ which has its root from UCH, he explained this as a confusion of terminology, “It was an unfortunate scenario when the hospital introduced, without the consent of the ministry, the issue of consultancy in other areas.

I think the terminology is what is confusing the entire public because when the patients come they don’t have an idea that Consultancy, by virtue of professionalism is different from a consultant in a particular specialty based on years of practice as a doctor. But I think a particular committee is addressing the terminology”

Professor Alonge lauded the efforts of specialized pharmacy also known as “clinical pharmacy” adding that no one can question their approach to care. “If you send a prescription to the pharmacy department and the drugs are not compatible, the pharmacists will comfortable write on the prescription back to you, asking you to kindly review the prescription or ask for a discussion.

“That is called clinical pharmacy. Otherwise, a young doctor, by virtue of the limited experience in particular area may want to mix drugs not deliberately but out of the fact that he has not had deep experience enough to know the limitation. But the pharmacy will not say I don’t want to give you the drugs, rather he will write to the doctor, so we have a good working relationship with our pharmacists,” he said.

He also narrated his own experience in 1995 while practicing as an orthopedic surgeon, “having written a prescription of antibiotics, the pharmacists called me – ‘can I have few words with you?’ He explained that the prescription may need to be reviewed but I informed him that the patient has an acute infection and I needed to contain it as soon as possible and that is why I have extended the prescription beyond the routine to 10 days. And that was accepted because it was a straight logical discussion”
Prof. Alonge advised that everyone should know their limitation and other profession should also be respected.
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Realtouchnot: So to "discipline" them, all a reasonable govt could to was to make a pronouncement which will NEVER stand but only add insult to injury. Your family had better got enough money for private hospital bill or for Indian hospitals, cos needing a doctor is an integral part of human need.
As for the Nigerian Nurses in UK and US, it is on record that almost all of them work in institutionalised homes- old peoples' homes and mad peoples' homes, and not in proper hospitals.

This your write up is just what a typical Nigerian doctor will write so full of themselves. No other professionals are good only them .that why all the nurses in UK,US and Canada are all working in institutionalize homes and mad peoples homes .my dear can u listen to yourself.within you now u have made a point but it really show how you guys reasons.Any way federal government just suspended the residency they run so that they will put things in place just like you guys wanted "WORLD STANDARD "and here you are complaining.as for consulting them that is their job just like the dr consult a mechanic in a shitty place,consult a vulcanizer at the road junction, consult a nurse when on admission in d ward " drs don't get sick? my bro if you say without you we all will die ,the farmers will tell u without them hunger will kill u,the bus drivers will tell u without them u will track until u break down and die so that is how it is.

We are tired of hearing this your So so number of Nigerian doctors working here and working there. Do you know the number of Nigerian Nurses in the UK and US even in T&T? for the fact that they will migrate is not the reason why they should be misbehaving . they can not hold a whole country in ransom threatening to migrate if disciplined.They should go afterall they have not been working for the past 2 months and we are still here

JUSTWISE
i expect you to be wise but reading through your argument here am some how disappointed .its a very big problem WHEN U DONT KNOW AND DONT KNOW THAT YOU DONT KNOW.can't u get what this guys are saying ? you rather want to prove noting. they have given instances and u have not even shown us one.It might not be a crime but they all said The Officers FROWN AT IT simple pls always be ready yo learn u don't know every thing.am expecting your insult!!

the problem in health sector is that some of the professionals are not good in adapting to changes.the doctors are finding it difficult to accept that other professions are expanding,improving and evolving. they find it hard to accept that Nurses can be degree holders,master and PhD holders.they keep comparing medicine and nursing which can never be compared cos they are two different progression.One says its 6yrs course the other said its 5 years both when graduated are degree Holders. they do internship which nurses will start very soon,pharmacy and med lab are doing the same internship.pls people on appointment drs start on grade level12 other 8,and 10 and here they are asking of relativity saying yet d salary of a nurse on 12 shld not be equal to that of dr on 12 not minding that the nurse must have put up not least 9 years to 12yrs to get to that grade level 12 that a newly employed 10 is starting like wise other health professionals.they don't want others yo be consultants when the body regulating that profession has stipulated the criteria for their members to be consultants saying that they d drs suffer to be a consultant.pls if for instance nursing and midwifery council of Nigeria state that for one to be a nurse consultant he must be a masters degree holder in nursing and must have gone through with courses with west African council of nursing and is now a fellow is that not their criteria? must d nurse go through the same drs procedure to be a consultant nurse?mind you we are talking of consultant nurse not dr here .is it the issue of a director where other proffesionals outside health get to direct and now drs said that even If u have PhD that when u get to asst director you shld remain there .OK 100k hazard allowance for only drs imagine are they exposed to hazard than the nurse that stays with this patient 24/7 or the lab scientists that deals with biohazards everyday? that they are asking for only drs if others ask theirs drs will go on strike .I think the drs shld know that other professions are growing and shld accept that fact that not the nurses you have in 1980 that is around now not med lab tech now but med lab science .each profession in health shld fight to progress and be the best in their profession and forget about fighting each other cos all of them must work together for patient to get well.

ozodigboo: Point of correction. . . . no doctor is begging for his job back.
Doctors are studying the situation... . . this is a high stakes game. . . . u won't see docs ranting on ds forum now.
Don't write what u don't know.

You are here saying No doctor is asking for his job back .How would you know that are u there and here ? Until the doctors stop living in denial and accept reality that other health professionals are growing ,expanding and are becoming dynamic they will keep having issues.For your info a lot of Drs are saying "we said that most of the issues we went on strike for are uncalled for now we are struggling to keep our job"

suwailad: Does it really matter? And i aint bro boy

Does it really matter you said? The NLC that they don't need? or TUC that they abused.
hmmmmm!! its like its becoming matter arising sis,babe,madam,lady, mama dame

this is a smart move by the president.cos he has changed the game .the doctors are no longer talking about their "12 must be done demands" rather they are now begging for their jobs back. And when they will be reinstated it will be on the terms of the federal government. THEY DIDNT KNOW WHEN TO WALK AWAY as in who wants to be a millionaire so the little they have gotten are gone.

my bro NMA or ARD are not members,affiliate, gatemen or even messengers of NLC or TUC they are autonomous and not registareed association not a trade union

the problem in health sector is that some of the professionals are not good in adapting to changes.the doctors are finding it difficult to accept that other professions are expanding,improving and evolving. they find it hard to accept that Nurses can be degree holders,master and PhD holders.they keep comparing medicine and nursing which can never be compared cos they are two different progression.One says its 6yrs course the other said its 5 years both when graduated are degree Holders. they do internship which nurses will start very soon,pharmacy and med lab are doing the same internship.pls people on appointment drs start on grade level12 other 8,and 10 and here they are asking of relativity saying yet d salary of a nurse on 12 shld not be equal to that of dr on 12 not minding that the nurse must have put up not less than 9 years to 12yrs to get to that grade level 12 that a newly employed dr is starting like wise other health professionals.they don't want others yo be consultants when the body regulating that profession has stipulated the criteria for their members to be consultants saying that they d drs suffer to be a consultant.pls if for instance nursing and midwifery council of Nigeria state that for one to be a nurse consultant he must be a masters degree holder in nursing and must have gone through with courses with west African council of nursing and is now a fellow is that not their criteria? must d nurse go through the same drs procedure to be a consultant nurse?mind you we are talking of consultant nurse not dr here if the doctors feel they suffer too much to be a consultant they shld take it up with their regulating body for it to be reducesl.is it the issue of a director where other proffesionals outside health get to direct and now drs said that even If u have PhD that when u get to asst director you shld remain there .OK 100k hazard allowance for only drs imagine are they exposed to hazard than the nurse that stays with this patient 24/7 or the lab scientists that deals with biohazards everyday? that they are asking for only drs if others ask theirs drs will go on strike .I think the drs shld know that other professions are growing and shld accept that fact that not the nurses you have in 1980 that is around now not med lab tech now but med lab science .each profession in health shld fight to progress and be the best in their profession and forget about fighting each other cos all of them must work together for patient to

the problem in health sector is that some of the professionals are not good in adapting to changes.the doctors are finding it difficult to accept that other professions are expanding,improving and evolving. they find it hard to accept that Nurses can be degree holders,master and PhD holders.they keep comparing medicine and nursing which can never be compared cos they are two different progression.One says its 6yrs course the other said its 5 years both when graduated are degree Holders. they do internship which nurses will start very soon,pharmacy and med lab are doing the same internship.pls people on appointment drs start on grade level12 other 8,and 10 and here they are asking of relativity saying yet d salary of a nurse on 12 shld not be equal to that of dr on 12 not minding that the nurse must have put up not least 9 years to 12yrs to get to that grade level 12 that a newly employed 10 is starting like wise other health professionals.they don't want others yo be consultants when the body regulating that profession has stipulated the criteria for their members to be consultants saying that they d drs suffer to be a consultant.pls if for instance nursing and midwifery council of Nigeria state that for one to be a nurse consultant he must be a masters degree holder in nursing and must have gone through with courses with west African council of nursing and is now a fellow is that not their criteria? must d nurse go through the same drs procedure to be a consultant nurse?mind you we are talking of consultant nurse not dr here .is it the issue of a director where other proffesionals outside health get to direct and now drs said that even If u have PhD that when u get to asst director you shld remain there .OK 100k hazard allowance for only drs imagine are they exposed to hazard than the nurse that stays with this
patient 24/7 or the lab scientists that deals with biohazards everyday? that they are asking for only drs if others ask theirs drs will go on strike .I think the drs shld know that other professions are growing and shld accept that fact that not the nurses you have in 1980 that is around now not med lab tech now but med lab science .each profession in health shld fight to progress and be the best in their profession and forget about fighting each other cos all of them must work together for patient to

the problem in health sector is that some of the professionals are not good in adapting to changes.the doctors are finding it difficult to accept that other professions are expanding,improving and evolving. they find it hard to accept that Nurses can be degree holders,master and PhD holders.they keep comparing medicine and nursing which can never be compared cos they are two different progression.One says its 6yrs course the other said its 5 years both when graduated are degree Holders. they do internship which nurses will start very soon,pharmacy and med lab are doing the same internship.pls people on appointment drs start on grade level12 other 8,and 10 and here they are asking of relativity saying yet d salary of a nurse on 12 shld not be equal to that of dr on 12 not minding that the nurse must have put up not least 9 years to 12yrs to get to that grade level 12 that a newly employed 10 is starting like wise other health professionals.they don't want others yo be consultants when the body regulating that profession has stipulated the criteria for their members to be consultants saying that they d drs suffer to be a consultant.pls if for instance nursing and midwifery council of Nigeria state that for one to be a nurse consultant he must be a masters degree holder in nursing and must have gone through with courses with west African council of nursing and is now a fellow is that not their criteria? must d nurse go through the same drs procedure to be a consultant nurse?mind you we are talking of consultant nurse not dr here .is it the issue of a director where other proffesionals outside health get to direct and now drs said that even If u have PhD that when u get to asst director you shld remain there .OK 100k hazard allowance for only drs imagine are they exposed to hazard than the nurse that stays with this patient 24/7 or the lab scientists that deals with biohazards everyday? that they are asking for only drs if others ask theirs drs will go on strike .I think the drs shld know that other professions are growing and shld accept that fact that not the nurses you have in 1980 that is around now not med lab tech now but med lab science .each profession in health shld fight to progress and be the best in their profession and forget about fighting each other cos all of them must work together for patient to get well.

that's serve them right when u think you are bigger then your employer not even employee your guardian.these guys are not even a trade union ,they are not affiliate of NLC they are just group of deluded egoistic selfish homo habilis that is stuck on the evolution high way.
1 you want federal govt not to pay other health workers what they agreed
2 you want fed govt to overturn a court ruling on consultancies for other health care

3 you want fed government to pay you 100k hazard allowance not minding that d hazard u face is minimal compare to d one face by the orderly or health attendant that clean up the mess they did and left, the nurse that is with d patient 24/7 lab scientist that deals with biohazard everyday.as at now a doctor have died of Ebola,2 nurses have died and about 9 on quarantine this tells you who is more exposed to hazards in hospital.

4 they went to be trained abroad to be

they don't want other health Proff to be directors

kai!!!!!! what is it? I advice Ebele to state it that any body coming in on residency shld not belong to any association ,never go on strike ,never negotiate with any body etc.these guys are daft the didn't know WHEN TO LET GO that is their undoing.

Not at all

I also paid in the sum of 32k for the Ainol Bw1 ll expecting it morrow hope it doesn't disapoint

To be candid am am very impressed with the performance of this power bank.it charged about 4 phones of 1700 to 2300 math and still have 45 % left.I hope it continues and last .its a good buy

mayorall: Please confirm delivery

I have received the power bank.still charging it before I test run it.thank for keeping ur word hope the pb live up to expectation

I just paid into mayorall acct for a black power bank to Benin city .fingers crossed

mayorall: Imo transport do charge just #1,000..
Power bank #3500
Sending to Owerri. #1,000
Total : 4,500


Comes with multi connector. Four points.

PLS SEND THE ACCT DETAILS.
OWERRI FAR NAA AND ITS 1K PLS LET ME SEND 1K ABEG

Nigerian NMA will tell you that SURGEON GENARAL is for doctors that a nurse can't be a surgeon just like ,consultants, CMD
Gale PollockGale S. Pollock

Maj. Gen. Gale Pollock, RN, CRNA, BSN
Born Kearny, New Jersey[1]
Allegiance United States of America
Service/branch United States Army
Rank Major General
Commands held
Commander US Army Medical Command / Acting The Surgeon General; Chief, Army Nurse Corps
Past Commands: Commanding General, Tripler Army Medical Center, Pacific Regional Medical Command; Commander, Martin Army Community Hospital, Fort Benning, Ga.; Commander, U.S. Army Medical Activity, Fort Drum, N.Y.
Awards Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit (with 2 oak leaf clusters), Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal (with 4 oak leaf clusters), Joint Service Commendation Medal, Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal


Gale S. Pollock is a retired United States Army major general who served as the Deputy Surgeon General of the United States Army from October 2006 to March 2007, and also as chief of the Army Nurse Corps. She became acting Surgeon General of the United States Army for nine months following the 20 March 2007 retirement of her predecessor, Kevin C. Kiley, due to fallout from the Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal.[2]

She is the first woman and the first non-physician to hold the position. She has 30 years of service in the Army and is a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist.[3] She retired from the Army in 2008.

For 2011 she was a Fellow at Harvard's Advanced Leadership Initiativ











Patricia D. Horoho

Born 1960 (age 53–54)
Fort Bragg, North Carolina, U.S.
Allegiance United States of America
Service/branch United States Army
Rank Lieutenant General
Commands held DeWitt Health Care Network
Walter Reed Health Care System
Madigan Army Medical Center
Western Regional Medical Command
Awards Distinguished Service Medal
Order of Military Medical Merit medallion
Legion of Merit (3)
Meritorious Service Medal (7)
Army Commendation Medal (4)
Army Achievement Medal (2)


Patricia D. Horoho (born 1960) is a United States Army lieutenant general and the 43rd U.S. Army Surgeon General and Commanding General of the U.S. Army Medical Command. She is the first female and first Nurse Corps Officer to hold those appointments.

My bro you are good at what you do! bravo! Am so proud of you

u must be high on cheap gworo and kwirikwiri!!!!!

the Op is just making mockery of the Drs

this is what you get in countries where people reason with their heads and not their anus, where people talk through their mouth and not their phalux

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(10/02/12) - Nurses, Doctors Are Most Respected
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Nurses and doctors continue to be well regarded
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In the online survey of representative national
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of respect they hold for 25 different professions.
In Britain, 93 per cent of respondents have “a
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respect” for nurses—a view shared by 96 per cent
of Canadians and 92 per cent of Americans.
Doctors also fared well in the three countries
(96% in Canada, and 90% in both Britain and the
United States).
Farmers had a particularly high ranking in Canada
(95%) and the U.S. (93%), while Canadians also
gave good marks to scientists (92%) veterinarians
(92%) and dentists (90%).
In Britain, six professions did not manage to
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building contractors (43%), business executives
(28%), journalists (20%), politicians (15%),
bankers (15%) and car salesmen (14%). In the
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Americans (60%), while Americans are more likely
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u need physics , chem, biology English and maths all at least credit to enter. if you are lucky to gain admission cos its very very. competitive. u will do what is called PTS which is 6months if after that u fall u go home but is u pass u continue.when u graduate u have to chose an area to specialize which could be midwifery ,psychiatry, paediatrics, accident and emergency etc for another 18months.

ogakpatakpata and co am very impressed at what you guys are doing here. pls am planning to apply for a canada visa but want to have a travel experience and at least have a visa on my passport before applying am looking at traveling to Dubai and staying for 3days.I may be staying in a hotel or if there are better options. pls how do I go about getting Dubai visa for that short time and at what range is d flight ticket to and fro.how much do u think I should budget.thanks to u all

u will have to do a pelvic ultrasound to isolate d cause.but most times is usually caused by fibrayoma(fibroid).nevertheless see a gynae.

[quote author=dr_joshua2000]Kids talk. If I were the medical consultants I will keep taking the case from one court to another till those old cargos retire or die of old age. They have no business and think the government hospital is the best way to show their entrepreneurial inadequacy. I still ask why the lab scientist have not protested in the oil companies and multinational companies where doctors head the pathology labs (the word pathology shows its a doctor in the first place). But once its goverment work everybody has a say. Even a kid who is yet to leave the grip of ASUU and is neither a doc nor has any prospect in the hospital. This post is like a primary school kid arguing with university student on the toughest course in the University, its just absurd[/quote]u must be a child, i swear cos ur utterances does not conote maturity, proffessionalism and litracy. thats all i have for u. please grow up not cronologicaly but mentaly. dont know how u passed medical sch

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Dr Bala Samuel Yakubu at 11:37 PM
THIS DOCTOR NEEDS HELP : Doctor
Arrested For Raping Patient In Benue
Hospital ... A SAD TALE.
A medical personnel believed to be a doctor has
been arrested by the men of the Benue State police
command for raping a female patient who was on
admission in a hospital where he practices.
The alleged rapist (name withheld), is a medical
practitioner with Tersoo Clinic in Naka town, Gwer
West local government area of Benue state.
It was gathered that the medical personnel
reportedly tested positive to HIV/AIDs and was
receiving Anti-Retroviral (ARV) treatment at the
General Hospital Naka, before the incident.
It was gathered that the female patient was brought
to the clinic for emergency medical attention and
after been placed on drip, recovered partially, but
unknown to the medical personnel, who took
advantage of the fact that she was semi-conscious
and forcefully had carnal knowledge of her.
The police public relations Officer in the state, DSP
Daniel Ezeala, confirmed the incident, saying, “the
medical personnel has been arrested by our men in
Naka and investigation in the matter is on-going.”
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