₦airaland Forum

gadogado:
you're a fool. Why not just tell the south-south to declare independence if they want to keep the oil money and not remain part of ONE country. Theres oil in the north too but coz you're ignorant, im sure you dont know about the reserves there.

There are reserves in the south also so what is stopping the north from going their own way if you people have reserves?

gadogado:
Hope you know Kanuri's and hausa-fulani people love each other, they have so much respect for each other. It was the Kanuri that brought Islam to Hausa's. The acceptance is so deep and wide between those groups. Thats what you miss, what groups in the north "love" each other, you cant tell a kanuri man that h should support a yoruba over a hausa. You're a fool.

Your point is? Isokos and Urhobos love and truly respect each other too so umm, still waiting for you point.That's exactly why we're not voting for none of you if jonathan runs . you've just showed how you people think.

gadogado:
Geographically, they belong to the north, their long term political objectives are not only compatible with the wider north but in line with the political agenda of the north. Bukola Saraki is a northerner, nobody disputes that but he's a yoruba. In the north, he is considered a northern minority. So are all those groups you mentioned, all are northern minorities. Minorities equally exist in SE and SW.

You always like doing this divide and conquer tactic by extracting minorities in the north and giving the an anti-northern identity and attempting to make them believe that they have everything to lose if they dont rebel against the wider north.

Ok, tell me, does a gwarri man feel more at home with a hausa man or yoruba man Do Igbira or Igala people identify themselves as Igbos or yourbas The south has many more minorities than the north, so if we start our own divide and conquer, we'll cause problems for you. better chill out with that nonsense.

U northerners really are dumb arent you people. You try to conquer the minority northern groups with your hausa and fulani nonsense and you think that us,the educated ones in the south are going to believe that the north has less minority groups than us? lol. i laugh in kanuri. The north is already being divided with the realization of the minority groups of marginalization and identity.Also by the blatant fulani expansionism going on in jos. you people can divide and conquer nothing.leave that to the europeans.

Gamine:
Well I'm happy you are happy.

Thanx sweetie

Gamine:
''For Languages to have historical connections, they must either have,
diffusional or genetic resemblance''


If you really want to classify languages under your terms, Mr poster
You will find that the whole world really does speak one language.

The 'Edo' language does not exist, please where are the 1million speaking this language??

Well, It's the process called Assimilation, that's not to say they are Yoruba.
If a Monkey wears a suit today and bears the name ''Chyz'', Does that make it a human being?

That was a dum.b azz analogy,tighten up

gadogado:
Actually, the SE insisted on zoning, they first brought the matter up in the constitutional conference of 1994. The SE insisted and demanded that zoning be put in the Nigerian constitution. Abacha liked the Idea and promised to adopt it, he died, abdulsalami came in and discarded the idea of "constitutionalizing" it. However the party's agreement is between North and South as far as the presidents office is concerned. And everybody knows IBB's father is from Kano and mother from Zamfara. Well northerners know this, he's hausa/fulani not nupe or gwarri. Thats besides the point though. The idea of zoning is if the president is from a certain area, then other important positions in the legislature and beyond should be spread out to ensure equitable distribution of power. You know how they say in the west "the spirit of the constitution" this is exactly what you guys are missing "the spirit of the agreement" meaning the common sense and goodwill of the agreement. Hausas will feel betrayed if Goodluck stays in a northern slot.

So let me ask you this, if IBB withdraws, will you support a candidate from NW and agree Jonathan should not run under the PDP platform?? PLEASE answer this. LOOK at the PDP agreement, all those privy to the agreement will tell you that what was agreed was north-south. They tried to say that OBJ should hand over to SE but they quickly reminded him of the AGREEMENT (north-south)

What you typed is full of fluff. If it wasnt for northern greediness we wouldnt be going though this right now.Greed has came back to bite you all in the backside.Dont use SE in any of this discussion. If the candidate from the NW isnt good or i dont know him then why should i vote for him? If thers a good candidate from another political group then whats going to stop me from voting for that guy? Who cares if the hausa feel betrayed? The igbos feel betrayed,the yorubas feel betrayed, the minority groups also so join the group.whats new? The agreement is strictly under PDP arrangement not Nigeria. The agreement is by zone not North/South and it never was rotation.

Its going to be funny what Nigeria does to ghanians after elections  

Ibime:
All this one na talk. Who asked you about Afro-Asiatic, Sudanese and Bantu?

The North deliberately insisted on zoning, not rotation. ZOning allowed them to specifically pick between Yoruba, Igo and Niger-Delta depending on who is pissed off with the Hausa-Fulani at the time.

Gbam!

gadogado:
The agreement was that power would rotate between the north and south. This was the agreement. The northern caucus decided to zone it to NW since Atiku being the VP was from NE. The PDP agreement recognizes the north/south power sharing and zoning agreement. Rotation simply means that power will move back and forth between the two regions. Zoning implies the same thing. The idea is to "SHARE POWER" between out Afro Asiatic brothers to the north and our Niger Congo brothers to the south. Its really simple to grasp.
The most apparent differences in religion and culture is between north and south, so both regions should be represented on interval basis at the national level. The idea is to give power to the muslims in the north who are genetically closer to North African berbers, nubians, sudanese, in some cases Ethiopains and Arab mix. Then after they do theirs, give power back to the christians in the south who are genetically closer to the people found in coastal west Africa and central-southern Africa (Bantus)

Very simple to grasp. You dont need to be hypocritical about something glaringly obvious!!

Not true.The north just want power period. If what you are saying is the case then why is the SE said to be due for presidency come 2015, why not the SS? Also why was the chair of PDP given to Ogbulafor(SE) then to Nwodo(SE), is it not because of zoning? Why wasnt it passed from Ogbulafor to someone from the SW or SS then?

gadogado:
This beaf guy, it is in the PDP's constitution. Zoning is to be adhered to (political office is to be rotated between the zones)
a) Jonathan himself is a product of Zoning
b) His former boss (yar'adua) was too
c) Obj was a product of zoning.

If you belong to a party, then you should adhere to the rules of your party, you should abide by agreements cast in cold print and you must certainly abide by your party's constitution. If Jonathan insists on contesting, then he should contest under another party. That would be the honorable thing for him to do.

You cant use something (zoning) to ascend to power then ignore it simply because you're in power. Its like crossing a bridge to get to the other side of a river then burning the bridge so no one else can cross. What honorable man rescinds on an written agreement half way through it? especially if that agreement has serious political repercussions. He should think about how his greed for power will affect others, how it'll affect the delicate balance of power in the Nigerian polity.

So you sir, have it wrong. Lets keep to agreements in order to have a smooth sail in our national life and dis-entertain mutual suspicion.

Oh so now that it comes to presidency it is not "zoning" anymore its "rotation" right? Not SE,SS,SW,NW,NE,NC but North/South  . If IBB has a right to run under PDP so does GJ. If you want to go by the "zoning" system then neither of them are suppose to be running for election because as of now it is "zoned" to the NW.

Should this be classiffied as Bonny-Ijaw, Bonny-Igbo, neither? All my Igbo and Ijaw speakers,what do u think?

http://globalrecordings.net/program/C07211

Kenyanstar:
whats all the hullabaloo about nothing. The law should and will be applied and thoroughly enforced  when and in whatever situation that is called for. I find it really funny the insinuation of victimization by Nigerians over illegalities. In Kenya the country is host to a wide diverse populace of nationalities but non behaves like the Nigerians. In every irregular or illegal venture they are prone to be the major culprits. Its a pity that most Nigerians think that being resourceful or successful needs an illegality to attain it. We will not and never condone such behavior.

Get your east african azz off this site. Allow us deal with our people in West Africa. Go worry about finding clothes and having them jumping contests or whatever its called in kenya. The nerve for a kenyan to put his mouth in West African business,get your dirty azz out of here.

Wow so kukele of the "Ukelle people" is a dialect of the igbo language. I learn something new everyday.I just found a recording of the language.The even use the old Aro name for god, "Ukpabi". Check this out:

http://globalrecordings.net/program/C10171


They've really tried hard to separate us

ChinenyeN:
That doesn't make the people Yoruba. Mode of speech is not the same thing as ethnicity.

they speak a dialect of the yoruba language.

EzeUche22:
Goodluck Jonathan is getting an Igbo to do the dirty work unfortunately.

History always repeats itselt,however, the ones that were on top the last time always ends up losing power come the second time around. If the northerners want to cause nigeria to go its separate ways then so be it.

Africason:
So do Sud Africans also hate you guys? Look, we got to find out whats up that 9jas always have this tag around their necks and try to resolve it. . .  but with folks like Gbawe, I guess that ain't gona happen soon cos he's always in denial! That is sad indeed!

We are higly industrious people and we are many so it is always going to be a fear of domination and envy from the people of that land;however,the way that ghanians are handling things is girly and immature. They are playing around with the livelihodd of people who have moves to feed. This the same exact reason why we kicked ghanians out of our country a while back and you all still have not learned from the mistake of the past.

tpiah:
abegi!!!

many languages share some similarities with yoruba- that doesnt make them yoruba.

most of the languages of old bendel state have heavy derivatives from other groups.


read this and stop claiming allsorts:

http://books.google.com/books?id=c8J95e9DspMC&pg=PA71&dq=akoko+edo&hl=en&ei=W4yNTLyrB8OB8gbK9_WWCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=akoko%20edo&f=false


igarra is an ebiroid language. Ebira is related to igala which itself has similarities with yoruba.

U are arguing something totally different now.stick to the matter at hand that you tried to argue at first. Ive back up wat i sed and proved you wrong so thats the end of it.

EzeUche22:
It is a good read.

Clark is saying he is a Niger Deltan leader but his only interest is the Ijaws.

At 80 he did not have his party at Asaba, but he had birthday party in Abuja and Bayelsa State even though he is from Delta State.

Yea had to read it anywayz. I really dont like that dude. Must every tribe worry about the Igbo??. This is seriously getting annoying.

tpiah:
^^ you no dey hear word?




http://www.igarra.com/

which yoruba were they speaking? Shows you yourself speak no yoruba at all.

Next time learn how to read first then talk. Also you are not Igarra neither do you have personal links to them as i do so shut your mouth.

*
      Background of Town
    *
      Resources:
      1. A Brief History of Igarra (ABHOI)
      2. Local Language (LL)
    *

“Igarra (Etuno) is the headquarters of Akoko-Edo local government area of Bendel State of Nigeria. It lies on the latitude 7.04N and longitude 6.12E. It occupies a unique position in Akoko-Edo local government area. Apart from being the headquarters of the local government it is the most populous town in the area. It is almost entirely surrounded by hills. Igarra has no serious linguistic affinity with any other ethnic group in Bendel State. Those with whom she shares the same language affinity are to be found in Kwara, Benue, Plateau and Gongola States of Nigeria. They (Igarra – Etuno) were the first settlers in the present Akoko-Edo local government area. Apart from the Etuno lanuage which they speak, they also speak some Yoruba because of the geographical proximity to the Yoruba – speaking area of the former Western State. This is also true of some other towns and villages in the same local government area of Bendel State.” ABHOI page 7

“The word ‘Igarra’ was derived from ‘Igala’ which is a living testimony that the ancestors of the present Igarra in Akoko-Edo local government area of Edo State might have migrated from Idah, the capital of the ancient Igala kingdom which oral traditions of Igarra people narrate from one generation to another. The name Igarra is therefore a lasting souvenir of the ancestors’ sojourn in Igala land before their migration to the new found land of independence; because while there, they were not Igala-speaking people rather than Ebira-speaking people under Igala hegemony.” LL page 1

“How did we come about the name ‘Igarra’? Many have asked this question and no satisfactory answer has been rendered. As will be seen later in the book, Igarras traced their origin to Igala/Okpoto tribes. This means that these people traced their origin to Igala/Okpoto tribes and are hence descendants of Igala/Okpoto tribes. The name Igala was corrupted as ‘Igarra’ as the letter ‘L’ was pronounced ‘R’. This is very common with the people of Igarra. The letter ‘L’ is usually pronounced as ‘R’, e.g. Ibillo is pronounced ‘Iviro’. The letter ‘L’ seem to be missing from the Igarra alphabets. Sometimes the letter ‘L’ is pronounced ‘N’, letter ‘B’ as ‘V’.” ABHOI page 8

“The language was also called Etuno. The pronunciation and intonation of Etuno (Igarra) differ it in meaning from ‘Land of cows’ (Etuno) or from ‘Land of abomination’ (Etuno). Although the three names have the same words in spelling, they differ in pronunciation, intonation and meaning. Etuno (Igarra) has the same end intonation with ‘Ano’ (salt) which reveals its meaning as ‘sweetness’, that is, ‘land of sweetness, flowing with all happiness’.” LL page 1

“Igarra covers an area of about fifteen square kilometers with a population of about 100,000 inhabitants. The main occupation of the inhabitants is farming for men and weaving for women. This is gradually giving way to white collar jobs and peti-trading. About a third of the population live abroad because of lack of industries in the area. Among the crops grown by the men are yams, maize, cassava, plantain/banana. Cocoa is their major cash crop.” ABHOI page 7

“Igarra is bounded in the North by Ugboshi and Uneme Nekhwa, in the south, she is bounded by Sasaro – a small group of people believed to be hill dwellers. They (Sassaro) came down from the hills less than 50 years ago. In the east, Igarra is bounded by Somorika (Anavo).” ABHOI page 8

http://igarratown.com/background.htm

Please can ur chop it up so that it is readable?

EzeUche22:
I am getting tired of this Igbo this and Igbo that. 50 years ago, 45 years ago, many of these Yorubas would not be able to dictate to us what Igbos should be doing.

We were the people doing the running of this nation. The nerve that the children and grandchildren of the people who defeated us think they can tell us what to do.

The only thing they are doing is making the Ndi Igbo angry. And when we are on the war path that will be the day Nigeria ends.

Dont mind them its just their fear of non-relevance. We surpass them in everything already. Look for you non-igbos information we are voting for whoever we want when ohanaeze makes the decision, when i get back to nigeria this december, then thats who im voting for whether you like it or not

Why is everyone so worried about the Igbo. Are you that scared of our progress. Dont worry about igbo being president,worrying about your own tribesman becoming president. Its not by force that you vote for an igbo.If you have a problem with us then dont vote for us,its as simple as that.Whatever comes out of the situation its on you. Nigeria is a "democracy" you can vote for whoever you want to.

Dede1:
Bros, I shall not take offence since I assumed you understand that the discuss is about democracy. Ohanaeze can mount a campaign foray for a particular but it can not control my vote. I have repeatedly made it clear I shall neither vote for GEJ nor aide his campaign efforts if he runs for 2011 Nigerian presidential election under PDP banner. 

I hate anybody who flouts any statutory code.

O ok,  i hear you.you wouldnt support him based on the lack of honor,thats fair enough. IBB is also running under the PDP camp.He is from the north,however he is from the middle belt.The statutory code as far as rotation goes is by zone. The presidency is zone to the NW. The PDP is yet to provide a candidate from that zone and they dont intend to. With that being said, IBB is also breaking the PDP code. Neither of them is righter than the other. IBB should not get your vote either if it is based on people who flout statutory codes. We all know its too late for Ribadu,he would have been a good choice.

Dede1:
Why must Ndigbo wait for Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo, the umbrella of the cultural organization of Igbo group, to dictate which candidate to support during 2011 Nigerian presidential election?

I shall not vote for GEJ and definitely campaign against him if he runs as PDP flag bearer. It is politically unfathomable to support someone who can not observe his/her party’s protocol and still wishes to become executive leader in a democratic setting.

If GEJ flouts section 7-2 C of PDP constitution, what stops him from making mess of Nigerian constitution?

Please do take offense, but its Igbos like you who always eff it up for the masses and have us looking like fools across nigeria.what is wrong with moving as one full front? U ask why we should wait for Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo to dictate which candidate we should go for, one thing you have to understand is that they have access to information that we dont.another thing is they are the ones who have face to face discussions with these people.Also, As u can see by whats been going on for the past months, Igbo forums/groups have been claiming the SE is for GEJ while others are saying the SE is for IBB. Theres no clear stand for Igbos when going down that route. It serves us better to have one group that everybody will know when they speak it is the real deal.

It serves us no good for you to campaign against the decision they make. Put away you sentiments and remember its not about you or your feelings,its about your people.

calyx:
I can state clearly that the sentiment of majority of Igbos is to vote the North. My problem and I know the pulse of my people too, is that the North has refused to come up with a candidate.

As for Jonathan and the south south, we trusted them once and we cant forget so easily. . .

The big thorn in the foot of the south-south is Edwin Clarke. His hate mongered remarks about the igbo is realy messing up GEJ campaign for the SE. The north is promising that if GEJ rejects running for presidency then he can come back in 2015 but they also promised the SE that they would get presidency in 2015. Obviously the North is just trying to hold onto power and dont intend on giving it up once they've got it. I truly hope our people choose the right candidate.

Like I said before until Ohanaeze comes out with their decision then those other "igbo" groups are on their own!

Andre Uweh:
@Chyz: There is Akoko in Ondo state. They are Yorubas.
Do not mistake it for Akoko Edo in Edo state.
Have a nice Sunday.

Im talking about Akoko Edo. There are people there called the Igarras, they are close proximity to the yorubas. They are a small tribe that most likely be consumed by the yoruba. The speak yoruba, name their children yoruba names, even the culture is so interwined with yoruba. Alot of them are of yoruba stock apart from the Igarra tribe. I know people who are Igarra.Go to a Igarra house hold during a gathering and u will hear nothing but yoruba being spoken with a few igarra words here and there.

tpiah:
I am akoko edo.

Good. nuff sed.

tpiah:
ask me one more time and you'll get an answer.

Yes or no?

tpiah:
and why are you busting your knickers over who is or isnt yoruba?

akoko edo is not yoruba. END OF.

They are Edo, you this clown.


tell your friend that's what they told you on nairaland.

hiss.

Are you yoruba?

tpiah:
@ chyz


itsekiri are not yoruba. Stop spreading misinformation.

The other day you also said akoko edo is yoruba.

They're not.

Are you yourself yoruba? and if you are then why are you yoruba? Yes i did say my friend is from akoko edo and he's yoruba so what? prove me wrong! if you think yoruba only extends from Ogun,Oyo, Ondo,Ekiti, Lagos, Osun,and Kwara u are the biggest fool alive.