₦airaland Forum

~Bluetooth:
you guys may as well protest to the national assembly if seun did not obliged to una request.nonsense

experience:
Please post a link to the complaints thread.

xterra2:
I dont think so ask around in the military circles
P.S that list of generals above is irrelevant to our discussion , dont you think so?
I said he cant sack a military officer if not the service chiefs not even a sarge  

Why didnt you say that your slogan "IBB people = Foolosh people" ? this time ----which would soon change

experience:
The operative word is nations nna, thats why they would be their own leaders/presidents/PMs.

udezue:
I dont think its so necessary for Igbo land to be structured just solely based on clan coz honestly some communities are like so similar that they can be in the same province. Like Oka (Awka), Amaobia, Nibo, Nise, can be under the same province. They can have mayors to represent each town. The dialect is practically the same.

I mean do we really need a cluster of so many entities?

sofymoore:
this is not the good news nigerians are waiting for.because this changes will not in anway change the lives of common nigerians he should just go ahead and do somthing reasonable except that we cant be impressed

ChinenyeN:
Chyz, not sure I stated, or made any references or implications to Ngwa being special.

Beaf:
I wouldn't question the religion of the security officers, but what is certain is that an a security breach of incredible proportions; this was a jail break that released 700 prisoners!

Heads must roll.

That makes a lot of sense. Since these sect have displayed a dangerous proclivity for violence and extremism, it would have been logical to jail them in states where there is no sympathy for either their behaviour or their sect.

asha 80:
But abagworo believes they are northern or is it eastern or whatever tickles his fancy.  

ChinenyeN:
Andre, that's untrue. I do have Igbo sentiment. Otherwise, I would not be so engaged in topics concerning the Igbo, and you would not see me using the phrases "us", or "we Igbo", as I often do. So for you to state that I have no Igbo feeling is a blatant lie, and I would think that you would have known better.

asha 80:
Bros you seem to be mixing issues here.Mbaise,etiti and mbano dominating groups?Mbaise with all their educationg and numerity advantage in imo state cannot even dominate politics in imo state let alone a bigger entity?

Etiti where i am from a dominating people   More like laid back.Dominating indeed.

By the way how is mbaise,etiti and mbano 'northern' or 'eastern'

i hope it is not paranoia that is setting in here.

udezue:
The only Middlebelt group that I won't mind forming a Biafra nation with are the Idoma and Igala. Over my dead body will I want to form even a state with the Tiv. I don't know if Igala and Idoma played much of a role during the war but if they did I will like to get some enlightenment concerning that.

seanet03:
But Akoko Edo people seems to understand Yoruba and also bears Yoruba names

Obiagu1:
My grievance is the issue of teaching dialects in schools or using it as official or national language like in South Africa. It’s already learnt at homes, I think that’s sufficient.

Obiagu1:
Frankly, I was really pissed off when I read those discussions. What will clan/dialect-led provinces do for us? Every clan teaching their dialect and not Igbo in their provinces, each one clamouring for “rotational president/PM” and quota system?

Alaigbo will even disintegrate before it started, Nigeria 2.0

asha 80:
Nobody said the bolded will be the case.each would be allowed to develop its own way and generate its own revenue to run its province.You want strong centre?Alaigbo will even disintigrate faster.

There is what is meant by adapting to the natural instincts of people and also maximizing differences.Youn think germany will survive with totalitarian regime?think again.

experience:
where is there unoccupied territory within Alaigbo?

experience:
Seems sound to me; but would mean we would have to sidestep the clan/dialect-led provincial grouping.
Don't think its that straightforward buddy; Nigeria could buy up Chad following that line.

experience:
I mean the boundaries outside separating us from other nations. Looks okay to me with perhaps some Bonny/Opobo  inclusions.

experience:
What is the consensus on these boundaries of Alaigbo?

On topic please folks , no time for drawbacks.

Eze, onlytruth et al please provinces  .

Richy, have you seen the doc on dialects?

Ibime:
As for those claiming that Igbo failure to trade directly with Europeans was noit down to military insistence by Ibani, Kalabari and Nembe, consider the case of the Ibeno Ibibio who allowed the Europeans to open a factory on their land. After Jaja pillaged their land and hung 100 Ibeno heads in Opobo, they discovered the military significance of breaking the Opobo stronghold on direct trade. There is another anecdote about military reprisal to another group up the Imo river which I cannot recall immediately.

As for EzeUche, he is the only one with mouth to talk about military might because the the Ibani often use Aro priests to make Igbo clans chop long juju and swear to trade only with the Ibani

Ibime:
It is funny that Dede should name the likes of Jaja etc as evidence of direct Igbo trading with Europeans.

No Igbo man ever traded under the banner of his village with the Europeans. Any Igbo trading with the Europeans is a slave with Ijaw name operating under the banner of Ibani, Kalabari or Nembe who controlled direct trade with the Europeans exclusively. The day Ikwerre man decides he will paddle down the Bonny river to trade directly with the Europeans is the day he will meet his maker. If my assertion is wrong, then name any Igbo village or clan with the military might to come down to the coast and trade under their name. Back then Igbo is to Ijaw what Urhobo is to Itsekiri. They cannot trade directly with the Europeans they produce the palm oil for.

Ibime:
@ Richyblack,

I don't talk without facts. I'm on my Blackberry so I can't provide links.  
The fact that no Igbo could trade directly with Europeans on the coast is evidence enough of where the balance of military power has lain historically.
In summary, I set you the task of unearthing a military defeat of any Ijaw nation by any Ndigbo group at any point in history. Make some use of Jstor or something. Hehehehem

As for Chyz, I don't do teenage angst. Make better use of your debating skills by continuing your argument with googles in the music section.

Don't mind Ezeuche and others talking about pushing people into the sea. When was the last time any Igbo tribe/nation/clan or village won a war against external force? If the British hadn't told em they were one people, their clans would continue being pillaged by Ijaw and Benin peoples. hehehehhehehe

experience:
Nations you mean (rotational headship remember).

Any maps/lists of provinces with towns yet?

Also any reps of the Ibibio, Efik, Andoni (sp?), Izon, Ogoni etc to also give their provincial arrangements?

The best description is here (needs some serious revision by the discussions on this thread so far). It should give us a framework to modify.

http://www./biaframap2004.jpg

ChinenyeN:
Chyz that is the only system that compliments our situation. I first saw it proposed a while ago by either Asha or Ezeagu, and I've long since agreed with it.