₦airaland Forum

Obiagu1:
In Ebonyi, Cross River and Benue States.

Obiagu1:
Actually it's less than that. Kukele for instance is Igboid.

PhysicsQED:
lol, can you provide proof of this?

As far as I can tell, Ikas identity crisis stems from the Edo influence on their language and the attempts by some to claim, legitimately or illegitimately, Benin descent. Ekpeyes do identify with Igbos from what I've been able to read so far.

Ikwerre's identity crisis stems from being at odds with the non-native Igbos who immigrated to their area of Nigeria from the "core" Igboland areas, as far as I can tell. Some consider themselves a different group because of competing interests with "core" Igbos, not because of some linguists' claims. "Ogbakor Ikwerre" was founded in 1963. Read Elechi Amadi's Sunset in Biafra to see whether they considered themselves different from "real" Igbos because of some linguist, or because of a different outlook and situation from "core" Igbos.

Ileke-IdI:
Isnt itsekiri part of Igboland? What do I know sef lol

I couldnt understand the words in the video.

Ileke-IdI:
Not really. But I do  know that some Yorubas [CAN speak Yoruba] that have never had any encounter with Ekiti dialect, cannot decipher Ekiti when it's being spoken on this forum. It's different from General Yoruba, some words are similar tho.

koruji:
The only people Mr. Dokpesi need to be afraid of are [size=15pt]IBB PEOPLE[/size]. IBB & his cohorts will eliminate him in the blink of an eye if it will serve IBB's goal to pin his death on the president. He is setting himself up by making this reckless statements. If I were GEJ I would also ask the IG to invite Dokpesi to explain clearly who, where and how somebody threatened him - so they can be stopped right away. Let's see what he says then.

Ileke-IdI:
I think Ekiti should just be classified as its own language. The dialect differs a lot from Yoruba. It's like speaking french to a Spanish person.

Aigbofa:
You people will never learn!!! Is stupidity built in your DNA? It is time for the East to rule! Jonathan is not a ruler!! He is a civilian president.

It's barely 24 hrs and the gloating has already started and you wonder why Nigerians wouldn't trust you?

jamace:
Igbo kwenu!

Aigbofa:
He must beware of the Biafrans who will inadvertently turn him to the Biafran Army Chief. And when he is given the boot, will turn around to blame some phantom enemies of indibo.

MetalGong4:
I bet ya, this army chief will be retired immediately after the presidential election. . . .

asha 80:
hmmm portharcourt seems contentious

ow11:
I still don't think the map merges communities properly in the south. I am not certain about Igbo dialects but Ndoni should be with Kwale and Egbema( the 3 villages in RV state) should be with Owerre rather than Obigbo. Ogba and Ekpeye can be one but I don't know how provincial heads would be picked outside quota system if they are merged with Ikwerre.

Did you guys add Engenni to that map? i.e. Ahoada West LGA (Akinima)


On the flipside, do you think the desert encroachment in Northern Nigeria would drive pastoralists to Biafra? How about Non-Igbos (Hausa and others) born and bred in Alaigbo? would they be deported?

Bonny and Opobo have significant Igbo populations as well as Ijaw populations. How would this be sorted? Would be a pseudo bakassi with the Ijaw indigenes complaining about being in a different country and would very well carry marginalisation as their badge if for any reason a bonny man of Ijaw descent is passed over for appointment whether he is qualified or not.

PHC could very well be at the edge of this country like Jerusalem. Imagine a major city like PH being split in two or better still at the edge.

I would open a thread called ''Extent of Ijawland (Ijo kiri)'' . Now that this discourse has gone civil, it would be worthwhile to even go down to group villages in Ijawland with similar dialects quite like what you guys have done. Then Yoruba, Hausa, Ibibio and other tribes or clans of tribes(ethnic groups[i]. . .whatever they are called these days[/i])

ChinenyeN:
Obigbo is Ndokiland. It's part of the Ala Igbo border. So, it cannot be an outpost. Opobo though, as with Bonny, after working out an arrangement with Ijo, could become an outpost. I also don't believe we'll have any buffer zones. This Obigbo province raises a question for me, though. Which culture-groups do you plan on putting in the Ngwa province?

ChinenyeN:
I hope you aren't seriously considering something like this as legislation, are you?

chyz:
We use cattle alot in the East for many events and buy them in large numbers plus the daily slaughter of them for the market and stores. If we have to go elsewhere if things dont go as planned[b] i suggest[/b] that our people dont buy from the Hausa/fulanis to the north in nigeria or even trade. any cattle,produce, or trading we might need to do, we should get the services from cameroon. what do u think?

experience:
Northern Alaigbo especially the Abakeleke axis has a lot of fertile land. For beef and dairy, the Obudu cattle ranch by Okpara could also be replicated there or further south.

Westernmost Alaigbo also has a lot of fertile land.

Wily+Wily:
I wish that this Burning of Devil Book(Koran) will be a reality, this is a nice step in right direction.
Islam is a Satanic Religion,
DOWN TO MOHAMMAD, DEATH TO ISLAM.

Thanks to Pastor Terry Jones,
It will be great after Burning the Devils Book(Koran) to burn the followers. It will be a nice conclusion to ISLAM.

ChinenyeN:
First of all, why are considerations and provisions being made for other non-Igbo groups? Secondly, our small clans number in 6 digits (hundred thousands, [000,000]). A number of European countries don't even exceed populations beyond four digits (00,000), and many European provinces typically number six digits or less. So how are our clans too small? Also, infrastructure development is not dependent on size. Many European countries are smaller than some of our 'small clans', yet, their infrastructure exceeds that of Nigeria.

ChinenyeN:
Chyz, I'm not sure why proportions of size is an issue, and if you're looking for unity, then maybe you should allow for each culture-group to have a province of its own and be fiscally responsible. [b]This could in turn cause some provinces to merge, because they may not feel able to manage their fiscal responsibility. [/b]This allows provincial arrangements to be more natural, and also, this way, culture-groups have the opportunity to taste autonomy and fiscal responsibility as was part of the intention, from the beginning.

ezeagu:
There's a problem with the other list

AND
Quote from: Obiagu1 on Yesterday at 11:08:12 PM
1. Aba
2. Abakaliki
3. Oka
4. Enugwu
5. Nsukka
6. Oji River
7. Okigwe
8. Onicha
9. Opobo (buffer zone?)
10. Orlu
11. Owerre
12. Igwe Ocha (buffer zone?)
13. Umuahia
14. Asaba
15. Agbo

Thanks. Good evolution. Please keep them rolling.

Any comments on these buffer zones? (the hot topic of this thread)



When I made that summary this is what I meant.
Nri covers Awka, Owerre covers Orlu, Enugwu covers Nsukka and Oji River, Obigbo covers Igwe Ocha and others, Ngwa covers Aba, Ugwuta covers both territories left on either side of the Niger, Igbene covers Okigwe and Umuahia, Ika covers Agbor.

Then each province can have it's divisions by town.

So to add it would be: Omabala, Nri, Onicha, Enugwu, Owerre, Obigbo, Ngwa, Mbaise, Ugwuta, Aro, Igbene, Igbanke, Ika, Asaba, Aboh, Ehugbo, Etiti, Abakeleke.

mukina2:
I moved it.

ChinenyeN:
Chyz, that's not good enough. Please explain why.

ChinenyeN:
We won't necessarily have another Igbo/Yoruba/Hausa wahala, because the structure of Ala Igbo will be much different. Unlike the Nigeria structure, there exists some kind of recognition of a shared sense of community in Ala Igbo. Also, the provinces in question will not be fiscally dependent on FG, as it is in Nigeria (the reason why we have LGA & state madness, which contributes a great deal to the wahala in Nigeria). I don't understand how there are 'too many clans'. There is no limit to the number of provinces a country can have. So, how are there too many clans. Also, how are many too tiny?

Regarding point 1, how is the use of lects within a province a problem? So are you saying that it would be wrong for an Nnewi province to broadcast provincial news in Nnewi, or are you speaking of something else?

Regarding point 2, it was my understanding that the reasoning behind the parliamentary structure is to allow culture-groups to taste autonomy and fiscal responsibility (i.e. Aro will handle Aro affairs, Nnewi will be allowed to handle Nnewi affairs, and so on and so on). So, for that reason, I, an Ngwa, for example, really have no business going to Nri to contest for any position and vice versa. So point two ought not be an issue, unless I'm misunderstanding the reason for instituting a parliamentary system and fiscally autonomous provinces, by culture-group, to begin with, as well as misunderstanding what you all mean by catering Ala Igbo to our nature.

Regarding point 3, considering how provinces are supposed to be fiscally responsible, I believe it would be up to them to decide how they want to manage fiscal matters, and that includes business arrangements, agreements, asset control/management, etc. So a province is under no obligation to allow non-members anything.

This is the way I'm understanding this parliamentary set-up and provincial autonomy by culture-group, as well as the desire to cater Ala Igbo to our nature. . . unless, of course, my understanding is incorrect.