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Rupture membrane doesn’t mean the baby is lacking oxygen.

The oxygen is supplied via the placenta and umbilical cord.

I’ve had two babies and you can go hours after membrane rupture and have a normal birth while they monitor and make sure nothing is wrong.

They didn’t monitor this woman. The hospital is at fault

MatrixReloaded:
First of all, remove religion from the husband belief. Being a Jw doesn't imply when a woman is facing her repercussion of early humans.
She rupture around 3am and it never dawn to a man with medical background that the baby is lacking oxygen.
At that instance the woman should have been induced (force labor). "ANYWAY"
it baffles me how some people view c/s as a taboo when in reality is the best and safest way to save both mother and unborn child.
Don't be victim of religion misconceptions

Thank you

From a medical perspective he knows what he’s talking about and I’m unhappy that people are trying to blame him

Lagusta:
Hmmmmmmmm

This is a sad story indeed

Well, as a doctor, I have these points to drop

1. As a JW, he has the full right to reject anything blood, but he can still perform surgeries on his wife and allow blood substitutes like tothema

2. The so-called Gynecologist/obstetrician made some errors. Pre-labour rupture of membranes in a multigravid without any obvious sign of contraction, with an estimated birth weight of 3.9kg is a very clear indication of CS until proven otherwise. I am not a gynae bit I have entered theatre many times so I know this.

3. Never mess with medical personnel. Some of them DO know their onions. This anaesthetist nurse knows the fulk BLS protocol of resuscitation.

4. It's so painful that this young man lost both mother and baby on the same day. R-jolad should really scrutinize the kind of medical practitioners they employ. The bereaved should take the matter to MDCN disciplinary committee for further action.

5. May God comfort the bereaved. Ọmọ this one hit home

thatigboman:
how will a C-section be performed without blood donation?

It can be done 😒

Okay but you don’t know that he would have said no c-section immediately

I need you people to drop this bias that you already placed in your heart against this man because you don’t know for sure what he would have chosen if C-section was offered in the beginning

What we do know for a fact is that in an emergency, it took the doctor hours to get to them because they were in another clinic. That’s a system failure that should not be overlooked.

seborrhic:
Unfortunate series of events,but what I find troubling and suspicious in his narrative of events is this:if your wife was not contracting after rupture of the membranes,what the hospital did was what any other standard facility would do,they started with cytotec,at the lowest dose recommended,repeated when there was still no noticeable contraction,then scaled up to oxytocin.
The one issue I found with the Hospital management is that they would have exhausted the full 4 dose regimen of cytotec before starting with oxytocin.
The problem with dealing with men like this that feel they know it all from what they read is that you must play everything by the book,if not they would use one issue as being the cause of a mishap.
All these things he mentioned, paediatrician being present,physician,using infusion pump,partograph,CTG monitor,etc,even in advanced countries they are not as it's made out to be where all these personnel and instruments would be available.
I bet if he had been told from the onset that his wife needed to be sectioned,he would have blatantly refused and told them to exhaust every other means.
But here he is finding fault with every step taken.
It's sad he has lost both wife and child,but finding fault with every step is just ridiculous.
His wife came by 11am with no issues,was he expecting the consultant to be on ground monitoring an expected uneventful labour?
Let the hospital say it's own side of the story.
Mishaps happen all over the world and there is no where every case is done by the book.
It's sad and may God grant him the fortitude to bear the loss.

pocohantas:
And some people say a woman giving birth is akin to a goat doing same? Ah!

RIP to mother and child.
This is a painful loss.

That’s what grinds my gores

Once someone says that, they belong in the trash bin in my opinion. Because they have absolutely no clue the myriads of things that can go wrong from the moment leading up to and even days after giving birth

Juoflife1:
When the water breaks and she's not contracting, she should have been sectioned, not induced. A baby in the womb without water is already stressed

No she can be induced and monitored appropriately . C-section can then be an option if induction is not going as planned.

In this case there was no monitoring at all. How would they know when she got critical?

Blendy77:
Recently Jehovah witness and their plenty drama was discussed here. This man literarily murdered his wife and son cos if the hospital had offered CS delivery ab initio when the labour was getting difficult he wod hav refused since u can't conduct emergency CS without blood transfusion. Sorry for ur loss Oga, I doubt if u hav a case sha cos ur telling Dr what you want and nit want due to your religious inclinations caused all of this

But you don’t know if he would have refused or not. Besides c-section can be offered without blood transfusion

I know once everyone heard Jehovah’s Witnesses, they were ready to blame him immediately ( and I get it) but his narration makes sense from a medical point of view

It should not take hours for a doctor to come in and assess in an emergency. Every minute is crucial . This hospital system killed his wife. Not his religious belief this time

This is heartbreaking. I cannot imagine the anger and helplessness this man felt in this moment

Every woman is ashawo in their books

Poiniyisworld:
What do you mean by ashawo?

Traditionally speaking, any man who does not pay your bride price has no child with you even if he likes let him have 20 children without bride price he has no child.

Traditionally, that child is her father's child in Igboland....

So what has she done to deserve the label ashawo?

And people here wouldn’t be shocked if they earned more than the highest level civil servant as long as the difference isn’t egregiously significant.

What’s so difficult for you to comprehend?

LegendHero:
I don’t care about the ratio.

The reason why I compared it was simply to tell people that a political appointee could earn more than the highest level civil servant by configuration.

The premise is that irrespective of the year of experience, it is not an anomaly if a political appointee earn more than the highest paid civil servant with 29 years working of experience.

Now who is less sensible between me and you? Ya’ll just jump into argument without factoring context.

lightwind:
She's now mega rich now.

But you know me before ni ?

You’re on the internet kissing and telling. That’s loser behavior.

No amount of wealth you have can make that classy on your end

lightwind:
Linda my girlfriend that year for Fagba Junior Grammar school up to Sommori Comprehensive Senior High school... I finger this girl well well that year o. Then i was still living with my aunties dem i can't take her home 😐😌

Everytime happened inside classroom


SONCHOS that year

Now look at you and look at her

StOla:
See below the pay for Trump regime white house employees.

Ranging from advisers to assistants.

How many university professors or civil servants who have spent 20years or more on their jobs, earn that much for a 4year or less political role?


https://cdn.govexec.com/media/gbc/docs/pdfs_edit/070317whsalaries.html

Are you comparing them to Nigerian professors or American professors?

I want to know who you’re comparing them before I even judge your reasoning

If you’re comparing them to Nigerian professors, I don’t know what to tell you.

If you’re comparing them to American professors, those professors make maybe slightly lower income compared to them or in extreme cases in low paying states, they are making 1/3 of those political appointees incomes.

Why can’t Nigerian political appointees make 3x the average salary of the Nigerian local man? Why does their income vary so vastly from what’s generally obtainable?

Their pay is maybe 3x the average citizen.

Why can’t Nigerian politicians be the same way?

StOla:
See below the pay for Trump regime white house employees.

Ranging from advisers to assistants.

How many university professors or civil servants who have spent 20years or more on their jobs, earn that much for a 4year or less political role?


https://cdn.govexec.com/media/gbc/docs/pdfs_edit/070317whsalaries.html

Maybe it’s not the exact salary they get that’s causing the issues with citizens not getting their fair pay, but the overall cost of governance is outrageous.

And I don’t know why we keep reverting back to the dollar conversions?Why? Is Nigeria’s local currency dollars?

Since you want to go there, Many people I know make more than your friend does. But the average American income is maybe half of that. So in comparison, it’s 2-3 times the normal pay when someone is making 200k annually

So then does it justify a personal assistant in Nigeria making the same pay when the average locals are only making a 10th of it. Do you know what proportionality entails?

StOla:
You know the problem with Nigeria?

Everyone thinks the actual pay for political offices that they foolishly term as outrageous, is the reason why the citizenry are suffering.

A hypocrite friend of mine who makes close to $10k monthly, is always yapping about the salary of Nigerian politicians.

I have asked him if he would quit his job to go take up such a political role for the same pay he is, always criticising, without any proceeds from corruption.

He is yet to give me a reply, but continue to yap about aimlessly.

I repeat again, why will I criticise the political salary that is not even up to entry level pay in some top private corporations that some Nigerians work for in this same national economy?

StOla:
Someone put up here the salary of political roles in the US, all above $150k per annum.

Please tell how many civil servants in that same USA make $70k per annum?

Oh please 🙄

They are public servants. Their pay should correlate with public service as well.

And if it’s not outrageous for the economy seeing as everything is expensive now, then that means public servants need to be paid better as well.

If the same problem exists in the USA and so what?

Do you think regular Americans are not fighting everyday for better pay and benefits ?

I don’t understand this “logic”

StOla:
Be careful when you say what Nigerians in Nigeria make in Naira.

Stop confusing the obviously suffering civil service to what the private corporations pay.

Even in the US, political salary compares more with the private industry pay, and not with American civil service pay, despite that both civil service and private industry derive their pay from the same minimum wage as it is in Nigeria also.

Entry level salary at ExxonMobil for Engineers as at 2010, was about N1.5m in this same Nigeria.

That was about $10k monthly at the rate then.

I was at an NNPC interview in 2011, when a guy from Shell who applied for an experienced hire role, declared his salary as N2.5m

There was a time when mid level telecoms personnel were earning between N1.5m to N3m circa 2007.

The problem you have with Nigeria political office pay versus civil service pay, also exist in the US.

Your true comparison should be if such pay is outrageous for that economy.

The answer is hell No!

I don’t even understand this comparison. They don’t earn in dollars. Why comparing your tax to what they earn?

They are Nigerians in Nigeria. Their pay needs to be comparable to what Nigerians in Nigeria make in naira.

LegendHero:
Lol no mind these guys. Poverty don destroy their brain so they think 850k is much for an SA at that level.

I am even surprised it is that low. So these guys are earning roughly what I pay bi-weekly for state tax alone?

I see why Nigeria is corrupt now. From this amount, some constituents will ask him for money, people will bring their problem to him, and then the guy will now have incentive to steal more.

I’m curious about his CONPSS grade/level. It’s not clear how they wrote that GL 33 or maybe na me no understand.

What a beautiful and gentle looking lady.

I hope this man is not giving her wahala at home.
Or we’ll ride at dawn!

1Sharon:
You thought!!


https://www.nairaland.com/evathyst

Despite pretending not to know each other on NL, I was still able to trace you back to her !!


You're right, I'm a witch! Witches are cool.

Cost of governance in Nigeria is extremely ridiculous.

With absolutely nothing to show for it BTW

pocohantas:
But when ladies rush and marry wrong, they say oh, Nigerian ladies see marriage as poverty allevation. They bring nothing to the table.

Every lady should do what is best for her. If you find a good man before their cut off age of 25, by all means do. If not, keep working on yourself. Some of us were above 25 and we met responsible men who treat us right.

This should be laminated and pasted in all young girls classrooms.

Because some of us call them out for this BS mentality they term it bitterness due to being “evening newspapers”.

Like we can still be married and recognize that marriage is the be all and end all of a woman’s life. Right? You’d think that’s common sense 🙄

Lezzlie:
okay, cococandy, I know you been an advocate for female sexual liberation as a divorcée.

But I didn't know you're prepping that girl for your younger brother

Smh

Ashawoman82:
apparently, you are far from OK... We all know u use the word "maybe" to fulfil all righteousness, deep down your misandrist toxic self feels the man deserves it one way or the other... Y'all love to see main in pained, I know u very well that's y I'm sure you'll blame the man one way or the other.. Stop the hypocrisy..

If the girl is underage then yes I think he deserves it.

That’s your definition of misandry? Give me my crown now for being the queen of misandrists

Now go off with your bad self and keep clapping for men who rape children

Allardyce:
Do you.

However, do not approach me seeking the solution to your hypothetical "Gender Supremacy" conflict. I have no time for that kind of nonsense.


Many thanks.

No idea what any of this nonsense you typed means

Literal bladderdash.

Some low IQ regurgitated BS from the bowels of the internet and don’t make any sense except to other low IW people

Lezzlie:
The Truth burns!!!!

What a bitter retort!

. You ever wondered? The woman's sexual organ is placed hidden even if she were naked, her toto is hidden between her legs.

Nature also placed a hymen for society to double check on her chastity...

Today , many marriages and children are enmeshed in paternity obscurity because only a chaste woman can give birth to a son with true paternity, not an alosho.

Many failed and wayword women have towed the path you're advocating for, they ended up staying in Nairaland for decades in hopes of a better life and future....when they failed like you did ...

They sit in rage like satan making sure little girls never see the light.

You will fail again.

If she’s underage then she’s a Victim

I’ll reserve my judgement until I know her age

Allardyce:
I understand that you're attempting to look at it from a different perspective, but don't try to pin victimhood on everything.

By making the girl appear to be the victim, you are attempting to create a justification for this heinous conduct.

Call your gender out when they've done something wrong.


Please refrain from bringing up this ridiculous "Gender" issue with me. I don't entertain your imagined "Gender Supremacy" if you NL old timers aren't sick of it.

Regards.

This is simply your opinion. A riff raff level opinion at that.

People who matter do now care

Lezzlie:
no, love. If you, cococandy, like go to the moon and come back and take Nairaland's most liked post, it won't really matter.

Your value, worth and respect will hang on whether you be ashawo or not. And as a public ashawo, you will forever be enshrined in the Rolling Stone 's wall as a worthless piece of the woman specie.

Even your fellow women will jare at you

I was expecting to be attacked by overused farm tools.

Ashawoman82:
u are not OK, how did u know she was raped or was married off as an underage girl, u feminist are so evil that u see nothing wrong when a woman commits an heinous crime like this, you'll always find excuse.. U are a big mumu..

That’s why there’s a maybe in the beginning of the sentence

If you had any comprehension skills you’d know that maybe means it’s a possibility not a fact
And until I know the facts, I’ll reserve my judgment. given the statistics of underage marriage in the north, I’m making an intelligent deduction to simply not blame the girl until I know hers wasn’t a case of underage marriage.

Now eff off

Lezzlie:
a girl will always be judge more on her chastity than any other achievements unfortunately.

You’re the one doing that judgement

People who have sense don’t

OboOlora:
If she like make she go Harvard go do MSc in Public Health and discover the cure for Cancer, her life is forever ruined.

Internet never forgets!

Who are you to determine whose life is ruined?

She’s probably better off than you are

May most likely get a better job than you can ever dream of. She’ll most likely achieve her life long dreams.

So in what way exactly is her life ruined? Because you saw her having sex?
Some of you truly don’t know anything for real.

Allardyce:
Perhaps, she is under the influence of an evil spirit known as "Ajenu," which is said to haunt most girls in the North.

But that "Ajenu" spirit shouldn't have brought her to the extent where she sliced her husband's manhood like N400 meat.

She needs to take responsibility for her conduct.

That evil spirit is only limited to the north? Why?
No one granted it visa to travel to other parts of the world?

Or maybe just maybe girls in the north are unduly taken advantage of and this is their last resort at attempting to get back at the people who are sacrificing their lives and futures for carnal wants.

I know it’s hard to grasp that sometimes some people (girls) may not like the things you do them for your own selfish gratification

Oxb90:
Wetin the pri..ck do her?

Na who the feminist go blame now?

Maybe the prick raped her?

If she was married off by her parents and she had no choice but to agree to the marriage based on culture, tradition or religion, then she has been continuously raped this whole time.

Worse if she’s underage. Then that’s even especially egregious