₦airaland Forum

Jaideyone:
don't forget to add the cost of maintaining classrooms too your ignorance is baffling

57k students in total and you want to educate them with 11b yearly. what a joke

Which school has 57k total and how much is their allocation from govt? Is it UI or UniLag? I await your response.

writerights:
I never asked Winners to finance public owned schools, that was a mere expression to quantify how wealthy Winners is and how subsidizing CU wouldn't be so much of a financial burden. No one is asking Winners to finance any government owned school, it's the sole responsibility of the government. BTW, are the poor exempted from getting Christian principles instilled in them through CU?


You don't have to take this issue personally. If tomorrow papa listens to masses or get ordered by God to take up that task and subsidize these fees, there is nothing you can do about it other than defending his actions again. Now that agricultural related courses are tuition free at Landmark, how many have die? Has the University crumbled? Will it? I don't think so. See my friend, let's allow logical reasoning above sentiment.

I really don't think you lot have a brain you your own any longer. All you await is a blunder you'd keep defending till another is committed. You defend anything, anyhow and unreasonably too. Please don't get aggressive at me, I only wanted a logical discussion and not a fight.

CU already gives scholarship to needy students to their capacity and it would be stupid idea for them to subsidize everyone in order to allow the poor get in.
What would make sense is for the school to give the most brilliant among the poor the scholarship according to their 'strength'. And I am glad to let you know that the school is doing just that. Google DavidOyedepoFoundation and ask around winners chapel for the various scholarship schemes. application for 2018/2019 session is on for most. Stop propagating lies and half truth bros.

Jaideyone:
lol I told you im technically an insider and you are still arguing blindly.

2017 budget for education was less than 500b naira
http://www.tribuneonlineng.com/budget-2017-sad-story-nigerias-education/


shared between universities, COEs, polytechnics and federal unity schools

40 federal universities in Nigeria. see list here

https://www.dailyschoolnews.com.ng/federal-universities-in-nigeria/

21 federal polytechnics

https://www.nigeriaschool.com.ng/federal-polytechnics-in-nigeria/

21 federal colleges of education

https://www.nigeriaschool.com.ng/federal-polytechnics-in-nigeria/

37 federal unity schools in Nigeria

https://www.myschoolgist.com/ng/federal-government-unity-schools-in-nigeria/


universities can't get up to 300b out of the 500b. what is 300b/40 unis?

let's give 200b to 21 COEs, 21 polytechnics and 37 unity schools to share.

first let's start will salary for teaching and non-teaching staffs of all the almost 100 federal higher instructions. can you imagine how much their salaries will be?

how about the salaries of those in the ministry education in Abuja and the various liaison offices in 36 states they won't work for free!!!

how about the cost of paying pensioners? note that salary and pension come directly from the ministry of education.


now tell me how much do you think is left for the federal government to share for the institutions to execute projects of their own desire?

also take note that students payments and all sort of income for the institutions nowngo directly to the FG's TSA. even if you want to pay unilag 500naira you'll pay with TSA so the universities are not earning a penny in their personal accounts.


occasionally the FG releases money for new infrastructure and maintenance of old ones and also for utility bills (power and the super fast unilag internet connection I use every weekend).

but on the average unilag gets less than 2b naira yearly for infrastructure both maintenance and building of new ones!!! where did you get your own 11b from?

i'm talking as an insider

if you can identify lies in my post prove me wrong

btw don't call me a liar next time except you are 101% sure

Stop the LIES. You divided N300bn b by 40 but your brain should prompt you that all unis don't get equal amount.
Or am I suppose to take you words over Okebukola's or UNILAG VC's? Stop the LIES!

DrayZee:
Are you saying Africa is the only place where you see churches running universities?
Try making a search for once, and while at it, check the school fees they charge.
MODIFIED:
That said, I don't really have a problem with his swipe at church funded universities. He, like many other Nigerians simply doesn't know what it costs to run a university.

It cost UI around 430k per year to subsidize each undergraduate. These are typical blended Nigerians. You need to understand their synapses. They capable of adjusting their perception of any situation to whatever suites their interest best.

writerights:
This would merely be a skewed and insincere analogy towards justifying church owned schools and their exuberant fees that has completely skimmed out the middle class and the poor of ripping its benefit. No one would criticize any private university for charging huge tuition, only those affiliated with the church bring about this controversy.

If we would align ourselves with the economic reality, would it seem logical to compare a paltry #15,000 being paid to a federal university by a poor tax payer to the #600,000 expected of the same poor tithe, offering, sacrifice and the numerous donations payer by his own church?

While considering that such amount may still be too small to be charged for quality education and no amount is just too much, the church as it stands today has the capability to subsidize the tuition lower than it's. A lot of people may still have the perception that the church in the days of need would serve as a succor to the poor and helpless. It's sad that the orientation of the church has long changed and some of us are hell bent on defending these alien principles than debate it. Some who bother to debate it go about it recklessly that one begins to see fanatism rather than constructive opinions to defend the church. Papa said Winners built the 50,000 seater capacity at Canaan land with a Saturday offering. My friend, if winners is willing to finance the biggest federal universities in Nigeria, it would do so without itches.


And never again compare the church to the government. The government would keep failing the people over and again but the church cannot afford such for once. The church should set the standard and be the model to the governments and establishment all across.

Winners can't finance public uni and the reason should be obvious to you.
Do you even know why winners established universities? Was to it to assist as many people get university education or to instill Christian prinxiples? You guys honestly don't think properly when chasing personal gains. You think the world revolves round you stomach.

writerights:
This would merely be a skewed and insincere analogy towards justifying church owned schools and their exuberant fees that has completely skimmed out the middle class and the poor of ripping its benefit. No one would criticize any private university for charging huge tuition, only those affiliated with the church bring about this controversy.

If we would align ourselves with the economic reality, would it seem logical to compare a paltry #15,000 being paid to a federal university by a poor tax payer to the #600,000 expected of the same poor tithe, offering, sacrifice and the numerous donations payer by his own church?

While considering that such amount may still be too small to be charged for quality education and no amount is just too much, the church as it stands today has the capability to subsidize the tuition lower than it's. A lot of people may still have the perception that the church in the days of need would serve as a succor to the poor and helpless. It's sad that the orientation of the church has long changed and some of us are hell bent on defending these alien principles than debate it. Some who bother to debate it go about it recklessly that one begins to see fanatism rather than constructive opinions to defend the church. Papa said Winners built the 50,000 seater capacity at Canaan land with a Saturday offering. My friend, if winners is willing to finance the biggest federal universities in Nigeria, it would do so without itches.

And never again compare the church to the government. The government would keep failing the people over and again but the church cannot afford such for once. The church should set the standard and be the model to the governments and establishment all across.

You now skillfully ignore the fact that same injustice you and yours accused the church owned universities of upholding is present in the public system that forces people to pay their tax unlike voluntary church seeds.

It has suddenly become a matter of magnitude of injustice and no longer injustice in principle.

Keep fo.oling yourself there.

writerights:
If your standard is comparing 15,000 to 650,000 in an economic as Nigeria's, I'm really sorry, you don't have a standard.

If Christian owned private schools were the only operators in Nigeria, who would then go to school? You, of course and a few others. That's if the competition does not bounce you out for richer families.

If you don't get, I'd explain one more time. Even if the government decided to charge tuition and make education unaffordable, the church should be the resort for Christians. When reverse is the case, you don't shut the masses up because this isn't the principle on which Christianity is based.

Stop preaching son. Apply same analogy you guys use in pulling down private universities and realize the govt is doing worse.

Jaideyone:
lol which federal university gets 11b annually? if you are not in the system stop making assumptions!!! i'm not in the system either but I come from a family of career lecturers (unilag and UI).

according to my dad ABUAD is currently getting more funding than Unilag. he was in ABUAD for 2yrs on sabbatical and he testified to how much private universities are investing in equipments for research and infrastructures.

no federal university gets 11b annually!!!

https://m.guardian.ng/features/education/balancing-rhetoric-and-action-in-varsity-funding/

In addition to the above google about Federal University funding In Nigeria And stop the LIES.

The anomaly that is the system which Nigeria currently operates came to the fore again the other day when the Vice President, Prof. Yemi Osinbajo lamented the fact that all the state governments cannot survive without the monthly federal allocations.
This is no news. It is indeed the very cause of underdevelopment which has bedeviled the nation since the military introduced a unitary and unified form of government from 1966.
Sadly, when the nation returned to democratic governance first in 1979 and then in 1999, there was no attempt to revert to the true federal system that propelled the First Republic and the economic gains that accrued therefrom.
In fact, state governments have since become so indolent that they have settled for the largesse that come from oil money.
But let us deal with the first principles. In the real sense, the Federal Government has no money.
The funds belong to the states. The monies which are shared monthly are generated from the states, particularly the oil-rich states in the Niger Delta.
Read More: Some states will collapse without federal allocations, says Osinbajo
However, owing to the incongruent provisions of the 1999 Federal Constitution the Federal Government claims the lion’s share and leaves the states impoverished.
The time has come for a change. And it is only within the framework of a restructured polity that the real economic potentials of Nigeria can be achieved.
A federal system of government depends on the constituent parts of the federation. Each section or region concentrates on developing the natural and other resources within its territory and pays taxes to the central pool.
In turn, the Federal Government concerns itself with defence and security, monetary policies, and external relations.
Currently, the Federal Government of Nigeria appropriates to itself 55% of the resources generated in the country. The main source of income is sale of crude oil, without any value added to it. This is scandalous, retrogressive and out of tune with the times.
But no one expects the Vice President to just complain. Nigerians expect an executive bill from the Presidency to alter the equation and make the states work harder.
All the states, in different proportions have natural resources that can be tapped and utilised to develop the economy. As was the practice in the first republic when the regions concentrated on their areas of strengths.
Nearly 60 years after independence the nation still depends on a single product to fund its budget.
This is in spite of the threat of oil losing its primacy in the international market because of the development of alternative sources of energy. As it is, there is no economic blueprint to deal with that situation when the time comes.
States, if properly guided and with the proper will, can live without federal allocations. Lagos State, for example, has focused its energies on internal sources of revenue.
Its cosmopolitan nature has helped this process. But what are the other states doing about the rich mineral resources that they sit on? Coal, Lignite and coke, Columbite, Bitumen, Iron Ore, Uranium, limestone and other mineral resources are in abundance in different states of the country.
Uranium, for example, is found in Cross River, Adamawa, Taraba, Plateau, Bauchi and Kano states while Bitumen is found in abundance in Lagos, Ogun, Ondo, and Edo states.
All the other states have rich mineral deposits that could do for them what oil has done for the nation. In spite of the many promises made by the current government in the pre-election campaigns, no concrete effort has been made to channel the minds of the states to economic self-sufficiency.
The All Progressives Congress (APC) should dust up its campaign manifesto and read the beautiful proposals which it presented to the Nigerian people as the basis for electing it.
Upon attaining power, its leadership quickly slid into the anarchical practices of the, ousted Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, which ruined the economy of the country. Nigeria has to grow.
No nation can expect a miracle if it repeats what it has done in the last 50 odd years and hope to experience something different. No nation develops like that.
The operating laws governing mining should be revisited and liberalised. Alternative sources of income for the country should be pursued.
The Federal Government should shrink the size of the exclusive list and grant many concessions to the states. The manufacturing base of the country should be strengthened.
The steel industry should be revived. One of the main requirements for this is power generation and supply.
A nation that cannot generate and distribute beyond 7000 megawatts of energy is not ready for the development train.
Also, the Police Force should be decentralised. The Federal Government currently chews more than it can swallow. The result has been criminal inefficiency.
The Federal Government should take the right steps and save Nigerian from economic disaster to which the country is currently headed.
No nation sells off its only natural resource without adding value, without investing, and without creating alternative sources of revenue and expects to benefit from the broad opportunities offered by modern business and best international practices.

https://m.guardian.ng/opinion/states-and-federal-allocations-matters-arising/

malware:
Better for you... No more bashing of North without reply.

Illiteracy is the ultimate form of helplessness I can help myself to a better life with my knowledge but illiterate especially those up north are stuck with their govt. It is a vicious cycle.

writerights:
They do. Education at all level isn't entirely free. The economic reality is that over a period of 10 months, if you can't provide 19, 500 for your ward to paid dues and not even tuition this time because it's entirely free, you may barely have enough to feed him through the session.

So where are we driving at?

May barely have enough to feed... Common be serious. why didn't you apply same logic to students on scholarship ? Your double standard is exposed.

writerights:
You have to be sure such person can feed himself, not to say pay his tax duly. BTW, it's not my duty to defend the government. Come out plane and let us know your plight, we could be on the same page.

My plight? you must be kidding! I am against robbing peter to pay Paul. how the son of a poor man on 18,000 wage afford this school fees?

Same analogy was used in the case of the more expensive unis to criticize the school leadership. It is only fair I flip the analogy around to judge the so called affordable unis that aren't affordable to people contributing to its running via tax.

writerights:
Not again. Please can I know exactly what you're driving at? Initially, you mention miracle centre, I wasn't sure if you read the news at all so I had to explain myself again. Now this. Please table you grieves constructively, I could be of help.

What about people who pay tax to the govt involuntarily but can't afford this school fee of N19,500 ? or are you implying such don't exist?

malware:
Illiteracy is bad, but helplessness surpasses it. I see your comments as mere rants of a helpless dude who cannot bail himself from a seemingly sorry situation. You have no option but to dance to our tune... We dictate how things are run, and that's how we roll

I know better.

writerights:
I think I changed my mind

I don't know what really prompted you question but I should tell you most can afford it. We #14,500 is being paid by non - science students while #19,500 is paid by others. This payment can be made in installment. Do you have further questions?

How can the government do that. What about the extremely poor tax paying guy who can't afford this #14,000?

writerights:
Bro, I honestly don't want to argue this morning. And to answer your question, it's a NO. Have a nice day ahead.

Thank God you admitted the truth on page one. Happy Stockholm Syndrome parade.

malware:
Yeah and we have power firmly in our possession too

Your problems are increase proportionately with your resource, is that really progress? Illiteracy is really bad.

writerights:
What is a miracle centre, please? Which school can't tax paying citizens afford? Covenant or Mapoly, just to be sure? I really don't understand you comment. What I was trying to point out is the report alleging that a state owned polytechnic has better E-library facilities than Covenant university. I'm sure HigherEd wouldn't take that from any source at all.

So you mean all tax paying citizens can afford MAPOLY ?
UNILAG ? UI ?

malware:
Be wise, stop using condoms and family plannings and grow your population exponentially, politics is a game of numbers. Who no know, no know oo.

Uneducated numbers can lead to low quality of life and poverty also. They have that in good measure.

AlphaMajestic:
Yes I believe so...in fact that's d reason why there is a church/mosque in the first place...love and generosity is wht keeps them together..dats why d missionaries built free schools for our fathers without expecting anytin.. And since d rich has more than the poor..it's only fair for dem to always help...in fact DAT is wat Jesus Nd Mohammed always preached...i think ur a kid... even ur name says "junior"... Pls dnt insult me again...dnt even mention me...

Oga go and meet the govt that forcefully takes tax from all and use it to create schools all can't afford.

The church doesn't force you to pay tithes. In addition most church owned unis have scholarship schemes to cater for the poor unlike govt that forcefully takes from the poor and leave them high and dry.

writerights:
HigherEd would get mad when he sees the forth paragraph

Miracle centre is what you are happy about. So what happens to the tax paying citizens who can't afford this school? wouldn't that be a case robbing peter to pay Paul? ehn ?

Best e-library that some poor taxpaying citizens can't afford. That's like taking tax from the extremely poor and giving it to the rich.

I spit on this. #RobbingPeterToPayPaul

smileyoo:
most serious crisis devouring this our naturally beautiful country, always originates from the north. indeed the north is the problem of nigeria as a nation. its time the nothern leaders do some soul-searchings, as they can not continue to place nigeria on a pause mode for ever.

They aren't interested in soul searching. From the time of tin in Jo's in the 1920s the pattern has been to take the resource of non-muslims are and exhaust it.

SternProphet:
We said this about the Niger Delta as well. Kidnappers and rapists being paid by government. Some of the worst ritualist- militants steeped in human sacrifice have become traditional rulers in Rivers State. We said it that the north will replicate the stupidity just to get back and it will hurt. Everybody should just shut up.. We are all dunces in Niger8a qnd the youths are the worst. I am not being hateful or cursing but the future is not bright for young people who are not thinking beyond their ethnicity, religion or hurts of the past. Progress is impossible

The ND guys had their oil taken from them and didn't go after Muslims minority unlike the northern version. They have no real leverage against the southern man and had to be killing minorities who are Nigerians.

Because they are uncivilized in behaviour. Imagine one man looting funds for his 6th generation when they wont even know him.

You mean they reset it to an earlier state ?

Government Overthrown ? ? ?

Longevity of debts is assured in Osun. I am sure of that. Aregbe for life.

phenom666:
U can open many nairaland accounts and like urself and quote me.
I want to sleep my eye's are paining me. Tomorrow i will quote u and give u my reburst answer. Good night

Many accounts? Your delusion is allround. Happy midnight rest.

apriko:
Parasites....... The 3 major sites is in the south.

Nobody should quote me or else I will transmission something!!

Without taking sides, I think it will be more reasonable to use average power figure over the last year of the 16 years.
If you quote the figure at handover date it will be wrong because every nation experiences power failure and vandals loyal to one party can easily do that few days to handover.

He should be giving us update on herdsmen, Leah, diversification, petrol subsidy, loot recovery, PVC shortage and duplication, JOHESU and other pressing issues. I hope he doesn't play on our intelligence again.

Also MURIC.
Keyamo is after his belly and wouldn't have secured Buharis appointment had he spoken against herdsmen killings.
That's how politicians roll.