Chukeg:

Yes. It took about 8 months travelling to and fro Uniben. But there's goodnews. UNIBEN doesn't use ETX anymore.
Visit uniben.edu to apply for your transcript at the comfort of your home

Man I can't even pay online with my debit master card. Can't say if it's Remita's fault or the school portal. Please do you know anyone who was able to pay online successfully?

Wow!
How did u knw all this?

Otemanuduno I wonder how this question was able to elude you. Oya answer. How do you know all these? What's your source?

If Saraki contests for the highest office in the land, I will vote for him. Man is way more emotionally intelligent than that tabula raza

Thank you for bringing this up OP. I sent an enquiry e-mail to my alma mater, Uniben, since last year. I'm yet to get a response till date. Highly irresponsible!

annyplenty:


Don't get me wrong madam. I did not say that the children of God should not watch football. To be candid with you, I, myself will be glad to watch the matches of the FIFA world cup.

What I said was that the Lord said His children should not absent them from the church if the time of the match coincides with that of any football match? They can come back from church and watch highlights. They can watch matches that do not coincide with their service time.

What is the ambiguity in this simple message?

For your mind now, the Lord spoke to you shey? Bollocks. You had better goan cure your malaria or something.

M0ron:


Primesky is a total idiot. On what basis are we supposed to judge doctrine other than scriptures?

He repeats one argument that nowhere are we told to stop tithing so we must continue. I asked him how come his pastor never uses urim and Thummin and he was tongue tied. He has deficiencies in logic because he has been taught to defend tithing on this basis and nothing else. When he meets other arguments he loses his mind

But he is one of those idle college pupils who have just discovered Nairaland so let’s forgive him

Lool. He lacks disciplined thinking that is reasonable, rational and informed by evidence.

Primesky:

Good!, so can you counter Satan without the Holy Spirit. You seem not to get my position here. If you depend on head knowledge of the scriptures to defend yourself on the level of arguments, the devil will floor you!. I maintain that position. However, if we depend on the spirit of God to guide us using the same scriptures, we can stand our ground and be right. Anybody can quote the correct scripture but deceptively. That's the devil's trick and many are victims of this, after all is in the bible they say. Wrong!

...scriptures without the Holy Spirit to guide you could be confusing because the bible is not just an ordinary book, it's spiritual and requires the Spirit of God to give you discernment. Please, do well to understand before criticising. You mustn't accept my position neither do I. The final arbiter here is God. That's my position

Dear Mr P.A. to the Holy Spirit, is the Holy Spirit something that is invoked whenever a Christian needs it and disappears after use? Did Jesus not say that the Holy Spirit would abide with us and be in us always?(John 14:17). Maybe your own "holy spirit" is fleeting, hence whenever you want to study the Bible you still need to invoke the Spirit (that is already in you) to come and dwell again. Whenever there is a subject of controversy about a scripture, instead of reading it with common sense that the Holy Spirit has given you, you still need to go and invoke your own "holy spirit".

Listen, the ministry of the Holy Spirit in Bible interpretation does not mean interpreters can ignore common sense and logic. Since the Spirit is "the Spirit of truth" (John 14:17; 15:26 ; 16:13 ), He would not teach concepts that fail to meet the tests of truth. Though spiritual truths often supersede man's reasoning ability, they do not contradict or conflict with reason. Clear thinking, then, along with normal procedures followed in comprehending written communications is essential in Bible interpretation and harmonizes with the Holy Spirit's role. The Spirit seeks to aid the Spirit-filled learner to think clearly and accurately. You as an interpreter must employ principles of reasoning in making inductions, deductions, analogies, and comparisons. Think Paul. Think Daniel that was in an era when the Holy Spirit had not been promised whom yet was able to discern the scriptures (Daniel 9:2).

I don't blame you for jumping on the bandwagon that like to shout "Holy Spirit" when they encounter superior argument, I blame your formative years that was devoid of critical thinking learning. The good news is that it's not too late to acquire the skill of thinking clearly & rationally, and also to be reasonable and open-minded.

Primesky:

God is a Father to all true believers, there's actually no room for this arguments, what has God told you?. Can you actually go to God and say, Lord please, I don't understand what your word says about this and that, have you done that first, or are you just postulating?. What is the Holy Spirit given to us for, is it not to lead us into all truth?. Mere quoting of the scriptures won't do, afterall, no body without the Holy Spirit can quote the bible better than Satan himself. Should I be wowed simply because somebody quote this and that?. Of cause not!

The bible says, they that be lead by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. So, let the Holy Spirit lead us.

Going through the thread and seeing your position on such a sensitive topic, I thought you were only being illogical. But with this post of yours, I can categorically say that u're just a sanctimonious and irredeemable idiot. How can you neglect scriptural quotations? And then surmise that Satan knows the bible better? Foolish talk! When Satan showed this trait, did Jesus not counter him with the scriptures? Why not ask the Holy Spirit to show you the scriptures to counter instead of giving us conjectures? If the "Holy Spirit" is yet to enlighten you on this matter, simply keep quiet and wait for instruction.

rhektor:

I wonder waht conectiku 89 was saying ó, holy spirit groaning? This is laughable

The joke is on you man. It is basic comprehension. Maybe you should read other versions if NKJV is proving too complex to comprehend.

Romans 8:26-27 AMP - In the same way the Spirit [comes to us and] helps us in our weakness. We do not know what prayer to offer or how to offer it as we should, but the Spirit Himself [knows our need and at the right time] intercedes on our behalf with sighs and groanings too deep for words. And He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because the Spirit intercedes [before God] on behalf of God’s people in accordance with God’s will.

Romans 8:26‭-‬27 ERV - Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to Him with feelings too deep for words. God already knows our deepest thoughts. And He understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

I hope this helps.

Ronpet777:

God bless u sir. More wisdom!

Bros this has been debunked. Groaning is not speaking in tongues. Check my earlier posts or MuttleyLaff's.

MuttleyLaff:

The gloves are about comiing off
You asked for it

As said, I, too, when praying intensely do experience groaning in the spirit
- it usually is making deep inarticulate sound(s) or grunts during praying, out of pain, anguish, desperation or some strong emotion

Each instance of the three recorded speaking in tongues happened with articulated utterances,
that were, coherent enough to other present audiences admitting and understanding the spoken tongues
For the three occurrences in the Bible , refer to Acts 2:8, Acts 10:46 and Acts 19:60

Thank you for this. I couldn't agree more and I couldn't have said it better.
In response to petra1, the word ‘groanings’ used in verse 26 is the greek word, 'stenagmos’ which means heart murmurings. It is also used in Acts 7:34, “I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them.” You can't say the Israelites were speaking in tongues as at the time, can you? ERV Bible uses "crying" instead of "groaning" in the aforementioned verse.

Sometimes when we are in great despair, and pray to the Father, we have a fervent desire to express these things eloquently in prayer in such a way as to be answered. However often we can’t put words to the burdens of our heart, and we really just groan in our spirit, but don’t feel as if we’re accomplishing much. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit takes the groanings of our heart and turns them into intelligible prayers that God answers.

MuttleyLaff:


Thank you ojaare brother
I was almost left speechless, looking and laughing at Petra1's post

U're equally doing a good job my brother. We will not allow peddlers of the word of God for money twist scriptures. Not under our watch!

petra1:

No but because of our limited understanding of his will , when we pray in the spirit the Holyghost who knows the will of God actually does the praying through us .

Point of correction, that verse talks about the Holy Spirit doing the groaning. Don't misinterprete it please. It is explicitly stated in verse 27. The Holy Spirit does NOT pray through us, He prays on our behalf. And as a matter of fact, groaning does not mean speaking in tongues. Check verses 22 & 23.

Romans 8:26-27 NLT - And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will.

Roman's 8:26-27 ERV - Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. God already knows our deepest thoughts. And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

petra1:


You are the son of a thief

It's obvious you don't have any more rebuttals. I'll leave you with a few bible verses. Please read and repent while there is still time.

Proverbs 22:16 NKJV - He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

2 Corinthians 2:17 NIV - Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

2 Peter 2:1‭-‬3 AMPC - But also...there will be false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies)... And many will follow their immoral ways and lascivious doings; because of them the true Way will be maligned and defamed. And in their covetousness (lust, greed) they will exploit you with false (cunning) arguments.

Galatians 1:9 AMP - As we have said before, so I now say again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from that which you received [from us], let him be condemned to destruction.

petra1:

Very funny .Is House an income?

Stop being ridiculous. My usage of "house" was in response to the generic statement of yours that "all things belong to God". If you had said "all income belongs to God", I would have stuck to examples like contract awards, scholarship awards, grants and loans etc.

The Hebrew words used in Proverbs 3:9 are hown (substance), re'shiyth (first fruits) and, tbuw'ah (increase). Understanding Old Testament verses usually require what bible scholars call historical/cultural analysis. The history and culture surrounding the authors is important to understand to aid in interpretation. Verse 10 gives us a fair idea of what the writer meant by substance, first fruits and increase and he was very specific. By simple deduction, the substance and first fruits would be quite parallel to the things mentioned in verse 10.
Ask yourself why the writer didn't mention shekels of silver, or gold, or diamond. These things were already valuable as at that time. But God was clearly more interested in crops and livestock than these things. Stop committing hermeunitic errors in trying to translate the bible to suit your schemes.

Wrong ! Pastors even are the first givers of their firstffruitd . Pastors do have their jobs and business . They are volunteers like you except some G.Os

Lmaoo. Pastors giving first fruits is the biggest scam of this age. I guess Pastor Ibiyeomie gave all his church earnings in January to Bishop Oyedepo who in turn gave his to Pastor Adeboye who in turn gave his to a superior pastor until the last one directly handed it over to Jesus. Abeg help us with the hierarchy of the Pentecostal church.

Oga you are a fraud!!

petra1:


Matthew 5:22
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

2 Timothy 2:24
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,


I know you’re still growing but The word of God doesn not require fight. Excersice some fruits of the spirit . And restrain or I can’t discuss with you. Post your point with biblical references let the viewer judge.

Matthew 23:17 NLT - Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred?
That was Jesus Christ speaking. If we are to go by your thought process, Jesus Christ our Saviour was still "growing", was fighting while trying to convince his listeners, and didn't exercise the fruits of the spirit. Well done sir.

And oga I don't post inapplicable bible verses like you. Matthew 5:22 was clearly talking about two adversaries but you ignored the first part of the verse and posted the second that suits you. Keep deceiving people o.

Money has always been exchange . God accepted money for tithes offerings and first fruits . Any giving to God can be quantified in money . God dealt with Isreal as a nation of farmers . All first things belong to God . Even first born belong to God and they shouid be Killed . But by redemption money could be given .

All first things belong to God. I agree. But because all things belong to God, we must redeem all things in church abi? You're saying we should redeem our first house, first car, first iPhone, first contract, first anything you can think of? How much will it cost to redeem my first house when I build it?

You know you did ask us to let the viewers judge. I hope they see how you and your other pastors insult their sensibilities in a bid to swindle them of their hard-earned money.

Oga show us bible verse where God required tithes or first fruits to be primarily money and stop giving us semantics. Money was always conditional.

Deuteronomy 14: 24-25 & Numbers 18:15-16 are perfect examples were money was conditional. But I bet you don't know what a conditional statement looks like.

Frauds!!

petra1:


Numbers 18:15-16

If I call you mumu now you'll say I'm being carnal and insulting. You are a blind fool and will never change. How is the verse you have mentioned congruent to what Pastors of nowadays call First fruits?

1. The verse there says only firstborn children and unclean beasts were reedemable with money. It didn't mention money as the primary first fruit. Giving money as first fruit was on the conditional instance that one had to redeem a firstborn child or a firstborn unclean beast.

2. Consequently, there's a good chance that many Israelites would not have had to redeem their first fruits with money for years and it's very easy to decipher that, except for someone who ain't got the sense God gave geese.

So, my conclusion on this matter is that this agenda of giving money primarily as firstfruits is a lie from the pit of hell. It is not biblical, not a Christian tenet (of course if it was you would not be loath to mention a bible verse that corroborates it from the New Testament. Good luck finding that if you ever will) and smacks of duplicity.

Frauds!!

petra1:


You still call him father Despite all these trash

This is what you resort to when you have no reply to a superior argument. Listen I have every right to call Him my Father as much as you do, maybe even more because obviously you are not in the grace dispensation with us.

If there's anything I've said wrongly or quoted the bible out of context, say so let's trash it out together.

I'll repeat my questions for emphasis.
1) In what verse of the bible did God institute the principle of tithing before the one He gave Moses?
2) Which High Priest did Jacob give his tenth? How about Isaac?
3) If Joseph had not gone to Egypt, who would he have given tithes to?

If you can answer the above questions convincingly, I'm coming to your church with my January salary as firstfruit or tithe, whichever you wanna call it, I promise.

OkaiCorne:


I just dey laugh at all their half-baked teachings on tithe...

If Jesus, God's own very son never collected tithe from His followers, even the Apostles who never preached tithing was necessary in Christianity...

Then how be it that a Nigerian Pastor automatically becomes a "Levite without inheritance" to start collecting monetary tithes from congregants?

Even tithe was never paid monetarily as God instructed in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29...

Chai...these people can lie for money and even set Jesus up too...

Can you believe the mumu even said, somewhere in this thread, that when God was talking about tithes, He was more concerned about the High Priests than the Levites? Something that is explicitly mentioned in the bible o. There's not a length they won't go to defend their fraud

petra1:


We only have a one time record written . I doesn’t mean they gave only once . Even as at that . It’s the principle that count . And please stop being insultive it’s carnal and unspritual



How can he give tithes in Egypt when they were not at liberty to worship jehovah . The more reason God was eager to get them out .

Exodus 7:16
16 And thou shalt say unto him, The Lord God of the Hebrews hath sent me unto thee, saying, Let my people go, that they may serve me in the wilderness:

And what did God do when they left Egypt’ , he instituted the tithing principle again

First of all, the word is "insulting". There's no such word as "insultive" in any variant of English.

Secondly, you say it is carnal and unscriptural to be insulting? I've got a verse for you bro.
Matthew 23:17 NLT: Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred?
Yeah, go ahead, say it, say that our Lord Jesus was being carnal and unscriptural.

Thirdly, you say they couldn't give tithes in Egypt because they were not at liberty to worship God so who were they worshipping? Even if they were in Israel at the time which Priest would they have given their tithes to? Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek whom he was opportune to meet on his way back from the conquest. Who did Jacob give his tenth? If you say Melchizedek, I'd know you have lost your sense of reasoning. So to whom did he give them? Melchizedek's son? Don't be silly please. Or was there a priest at that time that the bible declined to mention that only you in your warped mind know of? Please tell us.

Finally you say God instituted the principle of tithing again. Please, please, please and please again, do not lie against The Father. Nowhere before He gave Moses the laws did He institute the principle of tithing. Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war put of his own volition.

Now run along and be a good boy.

OkaiCorne:


The funny thing is how these people keep on defending a Jewish custom as mandatory for Christians to follow.

These guys are like the same set of confusionists that arose in the apostolic church in Acts 15 preaching that Mosaic Laws (tithing inclusive) is mandatory for Christians to be saved.

These guys don't even tithe the way God instructed the Israelites to...

Simply thieves who are twisting the word of God for their personal gain...

He should go and defend his Jewish customs in Judaism where they belong. There he would even practice all the ordinances in the Law of Moses including the ones that favour their pockets. His arguments are almost always flawed, non-sequitur and illogical. His type and his Pastors are the weeds in Christianity. They are the ones responsible for the divisions in the faith because they won't adhere to the doctrines of the early Christians because it is not financially profitable.

petra1:


Thanks for the compliment



JESUS SAYS TO TITHE
Matthew 23:23
. . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Oga you will forever be a nitwit. No amount of bible verses you read can change that. Was Jesus addressing his disciples? Was he addressing his followers? He was addressing the Pharisees you fool. You want to be Christ-like, walk in His steps. He never gave tithes, He never asked his disciples and followers to. Neither did Paul, Peter, John or any other Apostle. Until you show us instances stop being silly abeg.

And I see some of your other replies saying Tithing predates the Law of Moses. I agree Abraham and Jacob gave a tenth once in their lifetime. Joseph never gave a tenth yet God bestowed a great gift upon him and he was a great and successful man so what's your point? Stop defending the indefensible abeg

Petra1 is a dingbat who thinks he's a Bible genius of some sort. Dude regurgitates the same answers on every tithe forum like he were a bot. Only if he knew how foolish and illogical he sounds everytime. I wouldn't blame him though. Dead people don't know when they're dead, only the people around them do. Same thing with stupid people. Tithing in Christianity is an anomaly. You cannot defend it no matter how hard you try, because there's no instance of Jesus paying it or admonishing us to, neither is there a record of the early Christians doing so.

Daviddson:
It's a risky adventure to get married to someone who has wide different spiritual orientation from you. It'll invariably cause many misunderstandings.
The guy is most likely a closet atheist (just like Freeze) or an agnostic.

Lool. So Freeze is "most likely" a closet atheist? Are you his psychologist or something? Someone who has always proclaimed his belief in God is a closet atheist? I don't think a closet atheist would do that. I might say he is anti-pentecostal though because he criticizes most of their doctrines.

RatedStar:
I keep getting user already registered and yet when I try to reset my password with the email I tried to register with, I get incorrect. Anyone experiencing same?

Same here. Work still needs to be done on the website. I'll come back to it in a week's time abeg

petra1:


Wrong !! Tithing was already a way of worshiping God before the law ever came . It started in Abraham . And passed from isaac to Jacob . It’s only in Egypt they couldn’t practice it because they couldn’t worship God . It’s one of the reason God called them out of Egypt to worship h . And he told them about tithing again . There is never a place God stopped tithing

Who are the they that worshipped God through tithing? It is on record that Abraham gave tithes once. Isaac NEVER tithed so how could he have passed it to Jacob. Why the lie? Jacob promised to tithe but there's no account of who he gave the tithes to. Joseph never gave tithes in Israel before going to Egypt. Why are you always lying? God never told Abraham or Jacob about tithing before, so remove the word "again" from that sentence. Stop lying abeg

petra1:


Gibberish ! Are priests farmers. ?

Lool. Yes, yes, yes and yes! The priests also farmed whenever they were not doing the service of the temple. Oh! You didn't know that I guess? Now you know. You can refute this too but if I were you, I'd do a little research first. FYI I've got facts. I always do.

petra1:

1. Most pastors are volunteers . Except few . Most music ministers are volunteers . But some are employed . I learnt a church like COZA. Employ choiristers etc . If a pastor , instrumentalist etc Has a job . He is not put on allowance.

2. When paul worked with his hand in Corinth, he took no welfare package. But he did took in some other cities

3. In understanding prophecy you must understand Prophet can go forward and back

4. There are laws in interpreting prophecy . A Prophet can be talking of one person in a verse and another in the next verse.

5. If you don’t understand context of prophecy you will think it’s still talking about the same thing or same person .

6. The context of Malachi 3 from verse 7 is very clear. It takes effort to miss it.

Gibberish!

petra1:

You don’t have to be insultive . Are you born again. Kindly show some restrain and spiritual fruit.

What are you even saying? In Matthew 15:12-13, Jesus called the Pharisees "...The blind leaders of the blind". Did that make Him any less Spirit-filled? Oga say something else abeg.

There is nothing new in the verse above . The same priciple still applies. The tithe to God is for the work of Ministry. Ministers who are full time get their welfare from there. Either it’s a pastor or staff OT gateman. Hope you’ve calmed down. Most pastors are volunteers . Except few. Most music ministers are volunteers. But some are employed. I learnt a church like COZA. Employ choiristers etc. If a pastor , instrumentalist etc Has a job. He is not put on allowance. When paul worked with his hand in Corinth, he took no welfare package. But he did took in some other cities

Don't even begin to compare the exemplary life of Apostle Paul to your Pastors (2 Thess. 3:5-16). There are no parallels whatsoever. Don't be silly to equate welfare package to tithe. Lmao @ welfare package. That's a new one. The Apostles never collected tithes. If you say they did, show me a verse, otherwise just shut up about tithes in Christianity and focus on your Judaism.

In understanding prophecy you must understand Prophet can go forward and back . There are laws in interpreting prophecy . A Prophet can be talking of one person in a verse and another in the next verse.

You have failed at your attempt to prove that the audience changed. Most of what you wrote here is actually gibberish.
There are laws in interpreting prophecy? I did not see that coming. Which verse of the Bible taught you that? Did you read that in your Pastor's publication? So when Daniel was interpreting the prophecy of Jeremiah concerning Jerusalem and Babylon, what were the laws of prophesy he applied? The way you people just coin things into this faith sha, y'all could write a new Bible.
All the prophets were clear to their audience in their prophesies. The prophecies of old were easily discernible by Biblical scholars of the time. Daniel 9:2 is a pretty good example of how he discerned Jeremiah's prophecy of Jeremiah 25:11,12 by studying the Scripture consistently. God was clear through Jeremiah because He gave a duration (70 years). Daniel did not need to apply your law of interpretation of prophecy Mr man! Whew!

If you don’t understand context of prophecy you will think it’s still talking about the same thing or same person. Isaiah could be prophesying of himself In a verse and talking about the messiah in the next . The context of Malachi 3 from verse 7 is very clear . It takes effort to miss it.

Oh slow down! You're missing the point. I'm talking about the audience here not the message, Mr Interpreter of prophecies! Of course a prophecy could speak of different people and events but would still be directed to a specific audience until it tells us otherwise. God is not an author of confusion.
Let me analyse this using Malachi 2. First He says "O you priests..." and begins to rebuke them. Then in verse 11, He mentions Judah and again continues to admonish the priests from verse 13. Does that mean the audience - in this case, the priests - to whom He was talking to earlier, changed in that moment?

If you want to understand the book of Malachi, read its historical context which revolves around Ezra and Nehemiah. Don't comman be forming Interpreter of prophecies that have been fulfilled already.
He said it clearly "O you priests!", He did not later say "O you people of Israel!"

petra1:

Kindly don’t say that . Tithes were for full time dedicated ministers . Either they are staff or pastors . Anyone who is dedicated full time deserve support but lay ministers Need no support either as pastors or other ministers . In some churches instrumentalist are paid and choir especially if they are employed fully . The pastor get paid too if he is full time . But most pastors are lay pastors . They don’t get paid . Most choiristers are volunteers . And don’t get paid.

I'm not talking about your modern day tithe church. The Bible is clear with regards to how the tithes and offerings are shared. I have emboldened it incase you're too blind to see it that even the gatekeepers collected out of the tithes.
Nehemiah 13:5 NKJV - "...the grain offerings, ..., the tithes of grain, the new wine and oil, which were commanded to be given to the Levites and singers and gatekeepers, and the offerings for the priests.

I agree with you he addressed the priest in some verses . But from mal 3:7 he was addressing the nation of Israel.

The scripture was clear enough . It’s a national prophecy . In prophecy , the target may change beyween verses . That’s the mistake many made . When he was adressing tithe it was the nation . For you to be clear on kindly ask yourself what is devourer. Devourer are pestilence in the farm !

I insist that God is speaking only to the priests?

(1) God clearly BEGAN speaking to the priests in verse 1:6,
“... To you priests who despise My name ... "

(2) He emphatically continued speaking to the priests in 2:1,
“And now, O priests, this commandment is for you."

(3) He must still be speaking to them about their altars in 2:13,
"And this is the second thing you do: You cover the altar of the Lord with tears, With weeping and crying; So He does not regard the offering anymore, Nor receive it with goodwill from your hands."

(4) He is clearly still speaking to them from 2:17 to 3:4, then

(5) By deduction, God is still specifically addressing the priests in 3:8!

I ask, When did God STOP speaking to the priests? The burden of proof falls on you and all the others who say that God has suddenly changed His audience from the priests to the people without at least saying "And this commandment is for you the people of Israel!"

If you wanna understand the book of Malachi, you need to read the books that contain it's historical context not just speculating.

petra1:


Nonsense were the priests not levites ?

You asked if Priests aren't Levites. I'll reply you. All Priests were Levites but not all Levites were Priests. Only Levites of the tribe of Aaron could be Priests. You of all people should know this. Now it is common to separate them sometimes in the Bible as the following verse tells us. Read and learn.
Nehemiah 13:5 NKJV - "...the grain offerings, ..., the tithes of grain, the new wine and oil, which were commanded to be given to the Levites and singers and gatekeepers, and the offerings for the priests.
Can you see clearly that their tithes/offerings are separated? Here tithes were even given to singers and gatekeepers. Your pastors dare not!

That’s what they told you.

To gain a clear understanding of what and of who Malachi is speaking about all four chapters should be read and the context considered.
Malachi 1:6 and 2:1 offers evidence that God is specifically addressing the priest, not the people! These two verses are the keys which unlock the entire book of Malachi. God is rebuking His ministers, the priest who are guilty of dishonoring God and despising His name, not the people. This is confirmed if you follow the pronoun “you” from Malachi 1:6 on through the end of the book. Chapter 2:1 becomes the greatest key as for the second time God distinctly makes it clear He is specifically addressing the priest, not the people. Since there is no corresponding text anywhere else in the book of Malachi that God has changed his primary audience, then the conclusion must be that God did not change his audience for the remainder of the book.

He says THIS WHOLE NATION!

Yes, the priests robbed God and robbed the whole nation too by placing defiled food on God's altar and saying "the LORD's table is contemptible" (Malachi 1:7), and "bringing blind animals for sacrifice" (Malachi 1:8 ) when the people actually offered pleasant offerings (Malachi 3:4)

Do priests have farms?

Well I don't know about farms but the Levites(which may have included the priests) where given pasture lands for rearing their livestock (Numbers 35:1-4). There's no mention of the priests being excluded from this arrangement.

Loveaflame:
MY HUMBLE REPLY TO MR FREEZE’S BELIEFS ON TITHES AND OTHER ISSUES HE RAISED PART 2

POINT 2: HIS STANCE ON DEUTERONOMY 14:22-26


So, Mr. Freeze is wrong about his assertions on Deuteronomy 14:22-26. When you understand the three types of tithes, then you would have a clue as to whether such should continue or not. We shall look at this later.

After you're done with your copying and pasting, come back and we'll debunk every lie you tell.