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ddippset:
there's no way u gonna wriggle your way tru this one. First of all iam abit disappointed in myself having to compare two players greatness based on goal/game ratio. Seriously it makes me feel so silly but then i want us to do it however u want. Simply messi has 100 goals, ronaldo 86. Dont act like ure programmed be pragmatic. Ronaldo simply wasnt going far in rhe champions league. Thats it! He could not carry madrid far. Simple. So his ratio as u would want to hammer on does what? Mayb he even did it delibrately. What about assists? U missed that?

ronaldo wasn't going far in the champions league because messi plays in a better team. . . .now you have belatedly realised my point.
messi plays in the same team as xavi, iniesta. the 3 of them are in the top 5 players in the world. mention one ronaldo's teammate that is in the top 5 players in the world? the answer is zero.

this was why i said if van persie and messi swap teams, van persie's team will beat messi's team every day of the week
it is barcelona that is carrying messi, not the other way round. . . . .if this is wrong, why hasn't messi won anywhere else apart from barcelona?
ronaldo won with man utd, he has murdered la liga with goals with madrid. . . .what has messi done apart from his superb midfielders covering for him? nothing!

ritchboy:
Coogar wants Messi to prove himself on "a cold wet Tuesday at Britannia" when he has already proved himself time and time again at the highest level against the best teams in the world in the UCL/La Liga. Ronaldo should also go and prove himself on a hot, dry Thursday at Surulere National Stadium before we say he's better than the agberos that play there

this argument has been put to bed. the clubs at the highest level will not play like stoke.
they will play the way barcelona would want them to play. . . .playing with pride.

but stoke will not play with pride. . . . .they would play the way they made andrea villash boash look like a tool last season.
messi ranted for 2 years when ordinary rangers fc(inferior to stoke when it comes to negative football) held his team to a goalless draw. these kinda scenarios are what ronaldo has tasted and mastered. messi hasn't and this was why he was anonymous against uruguay who were forced to 10 men and played defensive all game. . . . .this was why messi also failed against jose's inter when they were forced to 10 men and went defensive.

ddippset:
i think i like to know how old you are. But anyway. Messi 100 goals, cr7 86 goals. The appearance are irrelevant here simply because messi's appearances get high becos he plays further in the champions league unlike cr7 who goes out in round 2 and iam sure ure intelligent enuff to know that goals dont come easy in the latter part of the champions league. Stop all these petty arguements like a seller of melon. Questions should be, who has more career goals? Who has more individual awards? Who has more awards for club? Who has more awards for country? Who has won more ballon dor? All messi.

this boy has just put the d in d[/b]olt.

so you don't understand the meaning of goal ratio? you believe 100/108 is higher than 86/89?
it appears i have overestimated your intelligence. . . . .appearances are irrelevant? so we should expect ronaldo to score in the games he did not appear in?
like i always reiterate. . . . i must have met 1000 barcelona fans in my lifetime. . . .not single one of them has a smart bone in him. they all possess an intelligence quotient invisible to an electron microscope. . . . . . .this is a new low. . . . .[b]appearances is not important.

ddippset:
o yeah, talk is so so cheap. Bring out just one. Just one and lets juxtapose. Just one.

cristiano Ronaldo is enormously talented and strong - pep guardiola.
ronaldo is better than messi - kaka

ddippset:
@ coocoo. These are the fools like me- 1. Barak obama- iam like messi. 2.hussein bolts-he is my favourite player. 3.arsene wenger- he is a player from play station 4. Alex fergusson- we just couldnt cope with messi 5. Pep guordiola- messi is the best player ever 6.xavi- he is the best player in history 7. Grondona(argentina fa president)- i dont know who is better, messi? Maradona? 8.samuel eto-lionel messi is god 9-maradona-messi is my successor 10.wayne rooney-messi is the best ive seen 11.robben-do not compare me to messi yet 12.ribery-i want to be as good as messi 13.mourinho- with messi it is unpredictable, he can play against me next time and score 5 goals. 14.ardiles-he is the greatest in history for me 15. Cryuff-messi is the gem of the barca side 16.julian camino(argentina asst coach) 17.mario ballotelli- only messi is better than me. These are the fools like me.

i can equally bring out quotes on ronaldo from 200 different people.
but till then, this is what pele said. . .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1265370/Pele-tells-Lionel-Messi-Youll-legend-unless-score-thousand-goals-like-I-did.html

donspony:
Don't forget
A criminal record once acquired effectively diminishes your chance of getting a good job by a huge margin.

Potential future employers tend to overlook would be employees with a criminal record

Hence, risk of people reverting to criminal activities to survive.

and err, stop giving Hertsnite an audience.

it could be spent provided the original sentence isn't more than two years.
after ten years, their criminal record automatically disappears on the system and only top level security checks can reveal such details.
employers won't see it.

allboyz:
I fink i need to re-visit the Vision and Mission page pf #AFC again.

UTD won the EPL last season - they have a sound YOUTH system just like AFC -

proper planning. . . .good man management. we have it all.

They have player players in every department than we do except for the RB and perhaps the Playmaker position which Cecs was occupying last season

except that united have rafael(a better right back than all the right backs arsenal have possessed since they last won the premier league).
playmaker position? paul scholes occupied that position for 15 yrs.

- They also have a stronger bench and squad players than us and STILL. . . they bought More players and even expensive rate!!. .  .Even if AW does not want expensive players. . .why not go for EXPERIENCE and mix them with the vibrate youth!!

he has loads of experience in that team.
squillaci, rosicky, almunia, van persie, arshavin.

[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=716327.msg8968804#msg8968804 date=1313850827]I suspect baba is lying again and Rio will play against Spurs.[/quote]i am confident in the rookies. . . .
evra will defintely play and captain the team. throw fabio in the right back position.
the central defence can occupy smalling, jones, johnny evans.

we will spank tottenham. . . .

ddippset:
@coogar, i see ure still pissed off and brooding cus i said 'no vaseline 4 you'. You can never go against messi cus ure always gonna be 'butt hurt' like someone said ure comparing messi and ronaldo based on assumptions and assumptions. If you swap, if you play in england, if this, if that. Cant u see that your post is just so full of the word 'if'?

don't wear daftness on your head like a crown. every comparison has assumptions to it so don't tail-spin the argument. if my statement has gotten your knickers in a twist then answer this one. . . . . .do you agree barcelona are a better side than messi? do you believe messi has better teammates than ronaldo? i am a chess player - for every question you evade. . . . .there's another one that would box you into a corner.

Talking bout goals/game? And ure adding those seasons when messi was a sub? Why not talk about just the two seasons when ronaldo joined la liga?for 3 seasons messi has been la liga best player.

ronaldo: 86 goals in 89 apps(2009/10 + 2010/2011)
messi: 100 goals in 108 apps(2009/10 + 2010/2011)

i will leave your common sense to work out who's scored more goals since ronaldo moved to la liga.

Messi has been compared to pele and maradona. Messi has been called the best ever, what of your ronaldo?

the comparison was done by fools like you.

messi has been compared to pele and maradona? of course - messi has won the last 2 world cups to be compared to maradona and pele.
yet we saw the same messi got outplayed by forlan on his home soil in the copa america. messi's team had more men on the pitch for more than 60 mins and the bestest player in the world failed to progress against uruguay of all teams.

are you sure messi hasn't been compared to goliath?

My brother your living way way behind time. U cant compare a one time ballon dor winner to a 'three' timer. Iam quite sure u have heard about mama gee. U need to marry that woman and you could both do a 3-some with cr7.

i laugh in boko haram.
ballon d'or won on the back of playing in the best team(nothing to do with messi's individual ability) otherwise why hasn't messi replicated the same form outside barcelona?
do you know any competition messi has dominated at senior level for another team apart from barcelona? if you do, kindly spill or otherwise take a hike.

duduspace:
Neither are we,

these were the results of Manure's first 3 matches in the 07/08 season and we know how that ended, it is too early in the season to be rejoicing and writing epitaphs.

Manchester United 0-0 Reading
Portsmouth 1-1 Manchester United
Manchester City 1-0 Manchester United

except that man utd were the defending champions as they had won the league title the previous season.
arsenal haven't won a penny in 7 years and you still have the gall to draw a dud comparison to united's results of 07/08 which showed they scored in their 2nd match. arsenal haven't scored a league goal this season after 2 league games. it's pathetic.

Krayola:
I'm sure Nasri can't wait to get the hell outta that club.

1 point from possible 6 with old trafford up next after a big game at Stadio friuli.

I think it's virtually impossible for any arsenal fan to be optimistic right now. I believe anyone of them that appears to not be excreta ing himself/herself is faking it.

--> awaiting spindoctor debosky and his big big grammar to somehow find something positive in this.

arsenal will win the title this season. . . .

but truth be told, theo walcott is really shyte. . . .
he is the most useless winger this league has seen. apart from pace, walcott's football brain is not better than a 5 yr old.
i don't know why wenger cannot cash in and sell him to malaga to generate funds.

2 league games no goal for arsenal. . . . .it must be a record for arsenal.

StarBoard:
coogar basing an argument on probability.
If Ronaldo and Messi swapped teams.
If Messi played against Stoke in England.
Yes Messi has his failings,but as it stands,Ronaldo can't come close to him till all your ifs come to pass.

cristiano is better than him. . . . .there's no question mark on ronaldo doing it in england.
there's a big question for messi doing it here. . . . .ronaldo has mastered 2 leagues, messi hasn't
what more can i say? ronaldo has a better goal/match ratio than messi in la liga.

For all I know,insignificant as it may be,Ronaldo can't play in Barcelona.He's as selfish as they come and definitely won't fit into their system.

if henry could fit, if larsson could fit, if etoo could fit. . . . .barcelona would be bread and butter for ronaldo.
he is the only player in the world that would fit into any team and score bazillion number of goals.

As per goalscoring,I wouldn't use that solely as criteria to judge who's better.There's a reason why Maradona was best player at Mexico 86 despite finishing behind Gary Lineker on the scorer's chart

comparing a midfielder to a striker - are we? has it gotten to that to make points?

.There's a reason why Lothar Matthaus was best player at Italia 90 despite having only 3goals and finishing behind Schillaci on the scorer's chart.Two examples in a tournament setting.

another midfielder being compared to an out n out striker. . . .
starboard, you are tying yourself in tortuous knots.

messi is a forward, ronaldo is a forward. . . . .the number of goals they have scored is the determinant.

Kevin Phillips wasn't voted player of the season the year he netted 30 EPL goals.
Goalscoring alone cannot reflect the true picture of who is the better player.

probably because there was a better midfielder that season.
but i can bet the best player of that season wasn't a striker. . . .

compare like for like. . . . .you are starting to argue like an arsenal fan.

ddippset:
how can you talk about swapping. this is the first in my life hearing you have to swap players in order to compare them. can roaldo sneak in between defences in very tight quarters like messi does?

if you believe messi is better, then the only way is to answer that question. . . . .stop evading it.
my point is. . . . . .messi plays in a better team. if they swap teams, ronaldo's team will beat messi's team every day of the week.

can messi score from 40 yards? e.g. ronaldo's better against porto in 08/09
can messi compete aerially with defenders and score e.g ronaldo's superheader against roma 07/08

and don't come with messi's header against van der sar 2 seasons ago. . . .that was a free header.

can ronaldo give those defence splitting passes from the mid field? no way. is there any player in barca who has the same pattern as ronaldo( hard shooting, speed and leg overs)? no way. so how can u swap them? how would he fit into barca's pattern?

pedro would love to be a ronaldo but his ability for now still needs improvement.
henry played for barca, etoo did, larsson did and you are asking if ronaldo cannot play for barcelona?

stop taking daftness as your breakfast!

eyoniggar:
Can some1 just tell this dude that he has won the debate?It sux the way his facts has no single ambition.
Sauron do you work @all? I tire for this guy.

i don't work but my joblessness is better than you harrassing underaged babes in yaba.
you slothful sonofabitch!

nateevs:
Cech out for four weeks. I can't bear to read it.

turnbull is better than van der sar.
crisis? what crisis!!!

dayokanu:
You were expecting cesc writhing in pains with like 7 people = 14 legs sorrounding him to know it was Jose maliciously kicking him?

no one also saw jose did that on the pitch. . . .but you managed to see it hundreds of thousands of miles away?

StarBoard:
@coogar,
Stop reading meanings where there are none.You seem to have a penchant for doing that.
I didn't proclaim the Barca players to be angels.You were the one singing the praises of Pepe and co.

exactly. . . .
both parties are equally guilty but some barca fans just can't see anything wrong with that team whereas messi, alves, busquets, are serial divers.
you saw the display of shame they put up in the world cup final. mourinho wasn't even there then and these set of players dived and dived and made the world cup final look like ojuelegba bus-stop.

You said JM sat on the bench all through and I gave you two instances where that claim was wrong.Tell me where leering mockingly at Messi wasn't supposed to be anything but trying to gain an advantage.

what advantage would real madrid cop if jose is leering at messi? the referee would award madrid a penalty for that? or send messi off for being leered at? you want to compare that to guardiola throwing his hands up each time a barca player goes down? actions that influence the referees to issue his cards out? you wanna compare that to barcelona players diving at every opportunity to get their opponents sent off? you want to compare that to barca's card waving, 10 players surrounding the referee and putting pressure on him?

abeg. . . . .your rose-tinted glass needs to be washed with acid.

And how does Nani gushing the crowd have anything to do with A supposed coach mockingly leering at Messi?Please tell me,I seem to be lost on that one.

because both gestures do not influence what is happening on the pitch. jose is in the technical box making eyes. nothing he does there affect the play. nani shushing the crowd also have nothing to do with the play. diving and rolling around like pansies(barca's antics) would get opponents sent off. haranguing referees by putting pressure on him(barca's antics) will influence the referee to issue cards without thinking it through.

barca are the experts at getting their opponents sent off.


I'm also dying to see a comment in praise of a manager who did beat him.

Your JM is just bitter because he will forever be refered to as the Translator at Barca,and was never considered good enough for the position when Bobby Robson left the job.That is why he reacts the way he does.

his success speaks for itself
for someone who was never a professional footballer to have won 3 league titles in 3 different countries, 2 champions league in his young career, he is a winner. whether translator or not - jose has beaten all the barriers and he's now one of the best football managers in the world. if arsenal signs jose tonight, their trophy drought shall end this season.

dayokanu:
Regardless of what the media says, regardless of what the video title says

You look at it and on 16 second you tell what Jose right leg was doing

Especially between 13 s and 16 the motion of the right leg and the destination.

except that cesc didn't complain once he was kicked by jose.

dayokanu:
Coogar

I am still waiting for an analysis of that video I posted around 16 seconds what Mourinhos leg was doing

mourinho walked up to defend his player(marcelo) cos he saw the way barca goons were closing down on marcelo.
jose did not kick messi. just because of the title video said so does not make it so.
if he did, various news media would have put it up this morning before that pathetic video was made.

StarBoard:
Not true.JM first leered at Messi when he wanted to take a throw in.He didn't do that from the bench
When Marcello attempted genocide on Fabregas,JM was close by at the touchline,as if to be supervising the tackle.JM was equally as animated as Guardiola was on the sidelines.

so leering at messi is gaining an advantage? what kind of excuse is this? so when nani scores and hush the crowd to shut up - it's a criminal offence? we are talking about guardiola's antics on the bench that influences the referee to award freekicks and cards to the opposition not jose leering or winking at messi.

Don't attempt to launder JM's image.Yeah.Fergie was getting thumped by Jose in his early years, but he kept sending Jose bottles of wine after games.
Years later,Guardiola gets the stuffing knocked out of Jm,yet JM calls him names.
Huge difference. . .CLASS.JM obviously can take a complement but can't give one.

jose gives compliments. he does that very well.
i can bring out his quotes how he has praised opposition players, managers, etc. guardola stuffs jose by cheating.
there's hardly any el clasico game you don't see real madrid seeing red. even when jose was inter, busquets and his team of seadivers kept rolling on the pitch like pansies. it's grotesque watching grown men drop like sacks of potatoes and feigning injury.

https://i.cr3ation.co.uk/dl/s1/gif/a095b62ba601cdf2e9b5ff3d0e9c8069_biscuitsshakey.gif

As for winners being sore losers, I doubt that .Ancelloti,van Gaal,Del Bosque,Lippi to name but a few  don't throw tantrums or abuse the opposing side when they lose

but it was the same barcelona(under guardiola) when chelsea were robbed @ stamford bridge that got drogba saying "it's a fuckin disgrace". guus hiddink even hinted at a uefa conspiracy to avoid chelsea and man utd playing in the champions league final. why must barcelona always be at an advantage when playing big teams. there's always a controversy when they win. brilliant football team but they have their faults. bigger faults than any of jose's teams.

.Funny you call Pepe a saint.Someone who copped an 8-match ban for assault on the pitch 2008-09.
Funny you call Marcelo a saint.If he was in the EPL,he'd have been sent off more times than he played games.Look at the cruel chop on Fabregas?Would any United player tackle like that these days?

funny you call barca players saints. . . . . .messi once spat on a fellow player
david villa slapped ozil last night. busquets is a serial diver and he won't change soon. dani alves is another pathetic diver who feigns injury every time he's touched. the moment he realizes the referee hasn't given anything - he automatically heals up and he gets up.
all these negative stuffs started under guardiola.

You must have been watching a different game if you think [b]Pepe didn't deserve a sending off for the incident with Alves.[/b]A stud-high challenge which Alves was lucky not to have been caught,and you wanna make a case for him.Jose eliminated himself by not being expansive,even at home.Don't use a sending off as an excuse.Or you want to claim you haven't seen 10 men win a game in the Champions League?

he didn't. . . .the video was analysed and analysed. alves wasn't caught suggested it shouldn't have been a yellow had alves gotten up after the tackle.
but alves being alves rolled like a player hit by a scud-missile. a despicable act that convinced the referee he had been pole-axed and the red card was shown. it's tough enough to beat barcelona 11 vs 11, and you want jose to beat them with 10 men. kudos to you. before the sending off, barcelona were clueless - they hadn't attempted any shot on goal. real madrid matched them move by move, pass by pass. the sending off opened up madrid and what happened next was inevitable.

Pepe, Marcello and Carvalho tackle like rabid dogs when Barcelona is around.Comparing them to Rooney et al isn't the issue.They've all been involved in dangerous tackles against Barca.
Face it,since Real sufferd 6-2 and 5-0 thumpings the way to go vs Barcelona is rough-house tactics.And JM has something to do wit hit.So why didn't they roll all over the floor like sissies against United at Wembley?

they were dressed down by the media before the united game and besides, they had a good measure of united. they scored early. there was no need to dive around cos we gave them no problems at all. but watch barcelona against teams like chelsea, real madrid or arsenal then one player must get sent off. whenever barcelona are not having their way against any team - diving becomes the next tactics. they know once their opponents are short of one man, the space will open up and they would score.

Why didn't they roll over the floor against Chelsea and Arsenal respectively over time in the CL?
Why weren't they wimpering like sorry dogs against other opposition?
What you call "little contact" are heavy bone-breaking challenges.

they did. . . . .in the games against chelsea and arsenal in recent times. . . .drogba, del horno, van persie, lehmann, etc have been sent off.
it's not possible for barcelona not to get one of the opposition sent off if they are not having their way in the game. they do it all the time.

dayokanu:
Guoadiola and Busquets were at Barcelona in 2009 when they won the treble and there was no incident

madrid manager then was a wuss.

Guordiola, Busquets Pedro and Alves played against Madrid in 2010 and there were no fights

so it was mourinho that taught busquets, pedro and alves to dive?

Enter Mourinho and decorum went to the dogs

you have made my point!
both parties are guilty. jose mourinho for his "do everything to win" tactics and pep guardiola for his "hollywood sea divers".

tottenham played real madrid in the champions league - how many fights did you see in those games. surely, a troublesome mourinho like you allege should be sending his thugs to maim and kill on the pitch.

real madrid played lyon, i saw no mass brawl. game was played the way it should be played and there were no dives or thuggery.
the responsibility lies with mourinho and guardiola to control their players. they are equally guilty.

Johnpaul88:
Ridiculous!,
chm101 is long gone now. Nobody remembers that anymore.

so which of the white house courses are you taking - or are you doing yoruba engineering?

StarBoard:
@coogar,
Let's not hurry to crucify Barcelona. . .
The real instigator is Jose himself.Even if he sat on the bench.

why shouldn't we crucify barcelona? you saw the first leg, was there any dirty tactics in that game?
real madrid actually outplayed barcelona and would have won by a huge goal-margin but for their profligacy. jose came out to play barcelona the way the game should be played and the matched ended 2-2.

then came yesterday. . . . . .jose never sat up to influence match officials during the game. it was guardiola jumping up and down the technical box.
raising his arms every time a barca player was touched to gain advantage for his team. when marcelo chopped down fabregas, pep guardiola went hysterical.

You mention JM being friends with Fergie.Was it always like that?It took the magnaminity of Fergie to make him see the folly of his ways. . .but what about the rest of the coaches in England?He even took shots at Avram Grant who replaced him and achieved what he could not (CL final appearance) after throwing around 300 million on players.

they were friends and he respects ferguson more than any manager in the world. the funniest thing is fergie actually likes jose too. he said jose reminds him of when he was younger too - that he always wanted to win. be it a normal match, friendly game or 5-a-side at the back of his house. natural winners are sore losers. they hate to lose.

Yeah,Pedro,Alves and Busquets are actors,but Pepe,Marcello,Carvalho are thugs and became so after JM arrived.

they are not thugs. . . . .pepe, marcelo and carvalho tackle the same way anderson, rooney and nani would tackle. . . . .it's just that barcelona players dive and make the tackles look heinous. what pepe was sent off for in the last champions league wasn't even a foul. it was the smartest dive ever that convinced a champions league referee. and that single act eliminated jose.

Mourinho has Benzema,Di Maria,Ozil,Cristiano Ronaldo but all he can do is send his thugs after Barcelona. . .

send his thugs after barcelona or barcelona deployed their gamesmanship once more.
they knew they had their work cut out. it was 2-2 till the death and the moment they went ahead. . . .they started falling down every time there was little contact to disrupt madrid's flow of the game and run the clock down - something you would expect from wolverhampton fc or west ham.

Johnpaul88:
This Congar or what will defend Mou and his evil cohort to any level, even if it will lead to kpemee, won't he?
Good luck to him, though!

As for me, i dey jolificate.
Victory is sweet, but sweeter when at Mou's expense.

be jollificating and not face your chm 101 @ white house
by the time prof ojo rusticates you, you will be unhappyficating.

debosky:
I'm sure you can read - be patient till after the CL window and see what happens then. Furiously refreshing newsnow and skysports.com between now and then will produce nothing.

Bite me sharon.

and if arsene does nothing till the 1st of september, you won't come here to spin the tale that wenger knows the best for the team?
can you swear on your charlie chaplin tache you won't flip the scripts?

mbulela:
That argument is half truth.
winning and being classless are not synonymous.
Mourinho might be a winner but there is so much more to life than winning trophies.

stop talking like a child. . . . .mourinho is not classless.
he appears classless to you because you have a preconceived feeling he is classless. the fans of real madrid, inter milan and chelsea will never say jose is classless. he knows only one way to win and he's stuck to his winning blueprint, deal with it.

He is a poor specimen of manhood.
He manages to make winning look ungodly.

yes, say that to massimo moratti and abramovic
they will give you an award for identifying jose's psychological problems.

you named three managers who have a problem with Fegie after spending over two decades at United.
name one top manager who is on very good terms with Mourinho after 6 years or so at the top.

fergie and jose are bosom friends.
chris coleman(ex fulham manager) and jose mourinho are close buddies.
jose is a winner.

AjanleKoko:
Well, Schuster and Pellegrini played clasicos with Pep - and lost all their fixtures.
However, there was a marked difference. Nobody was kicking, nobody was diving, nobody was delivering scissors kicks', and nobody was lynching anybody.

the only difference is busquets, alves and pedro.
since barcelona signed these actors, the quality of drama has heightened and this has nothing to do with el classico.
who resorted to gamesmanship when jose's inter came to camp nou? diving around like starfish - covering his face and looking through his fingers.

Even the game of yesterday went okay, until somebody decided to try and cut somebody in half. Even Chelsea in 2009, that had a lot more to complain about than Madrid did not go on a rampage kicking everything in sight when the game wasn't going their way, and neither did their coach embark on any senseless rant, make funny faces at an opposing player, or try to gouge the eyes of an opposing official.

game of yesterday went okay. marcelo chopped fabregas. it was an obvious foul. the referee saw it, he was always going to give marcelo a red card so why did barcelona's whole technical crew and players ganged up on marcelo including angel guardiola who was hyper-hysterical in the technical box? barca should have let the referee deal with the incident. ganging up on marcelo wasn't going to change the referee's mind. it was an obvious red card offence but. . . . barcelona players must prove they are pansies every time they face mourinho's team.

What about Marcelo's Jackie Chan stunt on Messi? Pepe and Marcelo were at Madrid before Mou showed up. I don't recall them trying to murder any Barca player before 2010/11. How come all of a sudden they want blood?

barcelona have always been a team with highest level of discipline. guardiola, alves and busquets showed up and the team has become something else. alves used to be a honest player in sevilla. a no-nonsense full back who plays his role brilliantly. since he joined barcelona, he has locked down the 2nd spot of the most despicable players in the world with cheap dives and disgusting gamesmanship under the tutelage of guardiola.

Me thinks somehow you and coogar just like Mou, and cannot bring yourself to see anything wrong in anything he does. Or maybe it's just the excitement that he whips up that has you both giddy. Compared to him, every other coach is boring

barcelona have their own faults in this melee.
it was guardiola in the technical area influencing the referee with his outstretched arms. it was guardiola that told the ball boys to disappear when barcelona were leading. jose sat still on the bench throughout the game until the mass brawl. but somehow someway, clueless barca fans will blame mourinho for their own disgusting attitude on the pitch!

OAM4J:
How more patient can the fans be? Patience has been the keyword for the past how many years?

debosky has been using the word patient for the past 6 seasons.

ritchboy should be nailed to the cross nak[i]e[/i]d within few yards to a hungry pride of lions

eyoniggar:
^^^ Guy weve heard you. Now poof!!!

you won't just shut the cesspit you call a mouth.
always try to be quiet so others would assume you are smart. . . . . .when you open your gob, your idiocy becomes obvious from a distance.
eyoniggar, half man-half swine.

ddippset:
hey partner, in those 40 goals, how many were penalties? how many after the league had already been won and lost?

the league is a 38-game competition. . . .ronaldo scored 40/41 league goals. messi scored from penalties as well, if you take out the pens, ronaldo still outscored messi. stop looking for cheap excuses to rubbish ronaldo's record.

ha. u tell me. its a shame that even when he scores the 40 or maybe 1000 goals he still does not win the league and he still is not the best la liga player of the season. oh one more thing if u keep hating on messi ure always gonna have it very rough and it will always be 'no vaseline' for you.

hating on messi? so telling a fat fool like yourself messi plays in a much better side than ronaldo is hatred? you are a spaz!
the question i asked, you failed to answer. . . . . . if ronaldo and messi swap teams today, whose team will win?

ddippset:
hey mr coogar why do u keep talking trash? or is it tha u are delibrately being mischievous? its not even about the team. look at both players' individual skill. ronaldo knows nothing but running with the ball and countless leg overs. ronaldo is not even next to messi. iniesta is.

you are a tool!
if ronaldo knows nothing but running with the ball, how did he break the la liga record by scoring 40 league goals?
the same league messi has been playing for the past 7 years?

if your brain is giving you problems, donate it to a chimpanzee na.

dayokanu:
Coogar, Ronaldinho got a standing ovation in an el classico game. The amount of talent on that field that day cannot be matched anywhere in modern football. . . Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Dinho, Etoo, Messi . On that field in 2005  there lies 9 WPOTY medals on that field minus
Messis.

true that. . . . .but both teams were not evenly matched at the top then. that is the key issue. in the el clasicos where barcelona were on top of the league and madrid were 3rd with about 12 points in between them, never expect the match to be tension soaked cos madrid would just be playing for pride. but when there's more than pride to play for. . . .it will always degenerate into what we saw last night.

The transfer fee on that pitch can match anywhere in todays game despite the massive inflation of today.  Yet the bernabeu stood up for an opponent. In 2009 there was also a classico with values of players similar to what we have on the field today yet there was no war

they stood up because ronaldinho was untouchable on the day and that barcelona side under rijkaard didn't result to diving or deceiving the referee to get unfair advantage. sometimes you forget barca under pep guardiola have some of the most despicable players in the history of la liga. sergio busquets is one good reason why there must always be a brawl in el-clasicos today. who was the equivalent of his antics in the yesteryears of el clasico? edmilson? van bommel? deco? who dived like a starfish back then?

The enmity goes beyond the players that even Alonso claimed relationship with fellow NT players was damaged, Marcelo, Pepe and Ramos became thugs extraordinaire even Ozil that is one of the meekest players alive now got involved. both coaches barely talk both set of fans are getting daring by the day, at Chelsea in a similar scenario top ref Anders Frisk received several death threats  and had to quit, at Inter evey coach was at wat, now the festival of football which used to be the focus of everyone the world over now became a bloodbath just because of one man JOSE MOURINHO

so when ozil was slapped, he is expected to walk away and not kick that midget david villa for daring to slap him?
see. . . . . .i dislike jose mourinho much more than you do but last night's events had nothing to do with him. the players were at a boiling point already. real madrid kept complaining to the 4th official that barcelona told their ball boys to disappear when the score was 2-1.

the moment madrid equalized, the ball boys resurfaced. . . .urging barcelona on to avoid the extra time. marcelo axed cesc(he saw red), the matter should have ended there but the catalonians ganged around marcelo shoving him here n there and a melee ensued. is that jose's fault? barcelona are a brilliant side, the best in the world at the moment - they don't need the dirty tactics to win games, they are good enough to beat 99% of every team that stands their way.

AjanleKoko:
@Topic,
Is anyone still seriously asking this question, after watching the last two games?

nothing has changed. . . .

barcelona + ronaldo will beat real madrid + messi.
in a nutshell, messi plays in a much better team but the huge gap is closing fast.

dayokanu:
^^ Yes.

We have had El Classicos before Mourinho and none of them had been close to what we have nowadays in Feistiness

i will tell you why. . . .

money - the funds thrown around has increased the competitiveness.
jose factor - mourinho is a winner - he won't be dominated for 2 or more seasons,
blogosphere - internet chatrooms, blogs and over-analysis of every detail.

and please, all the el-clasicos of the old are nothing compared to what we have now.
in the days of del bosque, barcelona were buncha no-marks. in the days of rijkaard, real madrid weren't the 2nd best team in spain
when the competition is none - the feistiness is negligible.

but with the two teams so close to each other, this is always bound to happen.
when there was no daylight between man utd and arsenal back in the days, the feistiness was even more than what we saw today.
keane versus vieira must kick each other to death.

eyoniggar:
Can someone just shut this freddy Coogar up. Nucca dont make obvious and reasonable sense. Oh My Gosh!!

1  down, another to go(26th) Lets Gao!!

what a doofus!
you have sold your common sense for a plate of porridge!

dayokanu:
In this same currrent day Fergie played and competed with Ancelotti, never resorted to wars, Fergie competed with Pep never resorted to wars, Fergie played van gaal last season they never exchanged words,

Mourinho coached Chelsea he declared war on all

Mourinho coached Inter declared war on all

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/86/italy/2009/08/22/1455396/mourinho-spalletti-should-think-about-doing-a-better-job

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/mourinho-picks-fight-with-rivals-on-team-orders-1652632.html

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/mourinho-ranieri-you-old-fruitless-213011/

http://www.goal.com/en/news/8/main/2008/08/04/804593/mourinho-to-ranieri-you-are-old-and-fruitless

what's your point?
that mourinho caused the brouhaha tonight? really?

you didn't see david villa slapping ozil?
mourinho only pulled someone's ear(not violently), it's funny.

https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lerupgc9qy1qcgdyv.jpg

dayokanu:
How many managers have a bad relationship with Pep

Fergie plays a zillion managers and they all have mutual respect for one another from hitzfeld, Van gaal, Ancelotti, , Lippi, Capello

those days were different.
it's not like now where millions of pounds are thrown around and instant results are expected.

if you distribute these managers on top e-p-l teams, you would see war.
the only reason fergie vs wenger war fizzled out was because arsenal stopped challenging.