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fücking hell, this is going to be horrible to watch.

alonso + khedira + ozil vs carrick + cleverley + 40 yrs old giggs. how fücking amazing!!!
this is a piss-take!

[quote author=Mr_TA]Early rumours suggest

De Gea, Rafael, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Cleverley, Nani, Welbeck, Giggs, Van Persie

[/quote]that's the official team - alex ferguson is an idïot.....

this is the reason i want this giggs out of old trafford - the sentiments surrounding his career have killed us twice against barcelona - and it would probably kill us again today. with no jones in the team, fergie opted for giggs! what energy has giggs got to chase after madrid's henchmen? we have rooney, kagawa, young, anderson, hernandez, valencia on the bench but we can only make 3 changes. even if we end up winning this game, it's because madrid are shyte.......this is the wrong team!

i don't believe emperoh.....
you want to tell me you didn't rub the palms of your interviewer before you got your current job? you didn't take him to obeledu-ugada for a weekend trip?

Jarus: Interestingly, no female among all the ones I know. GS, SA, RA, OB, HB, etc

i cannot argue - all these people might have gotten there through merit but trust me there must be another 100 that got there too by one dodgy means or the other.

Jarus: I have not been mentioning Exxon, because I also know their recruitment get k-leg. The only classmate of mine that, her father retired from Exxon as a top guy. And I didn't see her at the venue when we all did the test in 2007, only to hear she was the only one (out of our classmates that did the Mobil test that year) that got the job. She is brilliant though, a First Class herself.

With 2 or more people alluding that Shell recruitment is also getting crooked, I may review my assessment, but I have seen too many people from wretched/poor backgrounds that got Shell offers in recent times to believe merit doesn't exist there. Merit still largely exists in these IOC's. Don't discourage people. That's my general point.

these too many people from humble backgrounds might have forfeited their salary in the first few months and the females might have offered their bodies.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]Bros, am sick and tired of these lies!!!. How can I continue lying and expect Mr. president to be sincere?? That's naija for you.

Yes, merit still dey but pady pady is much much more greater!![/quote]i would say the ratio is 19:1
out of 20 workers you see in any company based in nigeria, 19 of them got there through the backdoor. the degree of the aid they got vary from person to person but they all got aided one way or the other. i dunno why jarus/ajanlekoko are trying to pull wool over the eyes of the others. your brother might not necessarily tell you the things he did to land some certain jobs!

jay bee: I swearigawd this was exactly my feeling when i came out of the skills test that they organised in the UK back in 03. Me and my wife sat for the test and both came out thinking goddamit how on earth did some people finish early with smiles on their respective faces after having been drilled on kirchoff's/hooks law and the likes.
In fact that's the most ridiculous interview I've ever been for in my life as a graduate engineer at the time.
My wife went for the process engineering test and also had to answer the ridiculous questions.

No doubt in my mind at the time that the only people that would have scaled through would have most certainly been in the know as per the questions before attending the interview.

SMH

poor jaybee,
whilst jaybee was sweating with tensile stress/tensile strain, his counterparts who had seen the question a month before the interview were just regurgitating what they had memorised with ease. how can anyone tell me there's no corruption at every level in nigeria? i once saw minted jamb questions being handed to a son by his father in lagos some 24 hrs before the examination itself.

Jarus: I don't have any issue with foreign qualifications (after all, I'm also currently pursuing one), but I don't think we should think because we have foreign certificates (even from the best of schools) we shouldn't compete with locally-trained folks. Let every qualified ones compete and the employers choose the ones he finds most convincing in the selection process.

the question remains - will the employers select based on merits or nepotism? you know - those letter-headed papers from the nigerian senate house instructing the human resources manager to choose aisha that studied physical education over you in an energy group company?

Yes, we know the educational system there is better, but you have to prove to me the effect of that good system on you as a person by doing well in the selection process ahead of those trained in the bad system we have here.
That's my take. It shouldn't be automatic.

it's never automatic - the selection process is flawed in my opinion!
those evil employers want their palms rubbed before one gets a decent shot at landing a dream job. i know some got there on merits but what's the percentage?

topeorekoy: Can someone help me on how I know if someone is a registered United Fan?

tell him to tell you his reg number.....

i hope i don't see giggs and valencia in the line up......
this is nani's show. cleverley, anderson and carrick to play in a 3-man midfield.

shymexx: Let me quickly drop some ancient mathematics using brother two lines from Olodostein's rap to buttress my point...

^^^^After studying how things work in Nigeria for the last 4years and asking people who visit the country regularly about how things work there... Nigeria is at his at the moment is definitely not the place for professionals who are seeking to make a living while contributing their own quota to the system... It's a jungle where you have to be criminal minded, and like MC Olodostein rightly put it: "to succeed,you have to be a snitch, in a ditch!"

So, if you can't be a "snitch," Nigeria is definitely not for you... That's why I can't be arsed with no NYSC fckery despite the pressure from my parents... I'd rather wait till I'm in my late 30s to try out some online based IT solutions in Nigeria...

May God help Nigeria...

that country is kwashiorkored!
one must completely detach himself from ethics and morals to operate in most organisations.

Jarus: So many funny comments here rotflmao @ free readers chairman

dayo is a clown!

saxywale: I don't think that's the case. peeps earn big bucks in Nigeria and can afford the foreign degree but some are not just interested.

Although in interviews, some simple things like that British or American accent could work against you. What if your interviewer can't understand your accent or your use of English? It happens a lot..

the interviewer can't understand my accent but he automatically understands the accents of lebanese, chinese and the indians roaming free in nigeria now. if that's not beefing, i don't know what else to call it.

AjanleKoko: Here is a job advertised on LinkedIn for Nigeria:

Business Leader – Prepaid Product Management & Sales, SSA

This is a typical position that would be better suited for someone with foreign education and experience. However, note that 518 people have applied for the job .

Here's another one: Carrier Marketing Manager - West Africa.
593 people have applied.

Neither of these jobs are entry-level positions, mind you. They require specific industry experience.

not everyone applying would satisfy the requirements needed too. that's naija people for you. the system should be purged wholly. i go to state ministries and federal ministries and the employees don't look like government workers - more like traders! where were you when some teachers in the north failed primary 4 tests? ask yourself - why are those people in employment when qualified ones can't get any job?

AjanleKoko: You miss the point.
Where do you think the jobs are going to come from? That's the part everybody seems to have conveniently forgotten. A country with decaying infrastructure, mostly state-controlled, nonfunctional public utilities, energy sector in decline, largely untapped mineral deposits, very little manufacturing activity, plus over a hundred million people - and you expect there to be white-collar jobs created. Not just jobs, white-collar jobs? How is that even possible

don't be deceived........
there are jobs in nigeria but they are currently occupied by misfits, less qualified foreigners and age-cheats who keep celebrating their 45th birthday every year because they don't want to be forced into retirement. the real problem is the right people are not getting the jobs. why should a geography graduate be in a bank and a master degree holder is outside driving cabs?

Everybody has been going government, MNC - are you guys aware that even the government is massively downsizing these days? People need to think hard. Just popping up with an MBA from Brunel is not going to get you anything in Nigeria. Not unless you are connected, or very very lucky. The jobs just aren't there, period.

the jobs are there, nepotism is the problem!

Come to think of it, how come so many people who studied abroad are trying to relocate? Could it be that they could not find that elusive job whereabouts they studied?

some are forced to come back because of visa issues - some are just tired of living abroad and they want to be with their families. minus the visa issues, you think nigerians would not stay abroad where the system works? don't be naive.....

mygirrl: Infact, i'm beginning to feel that people most people without foreign degrees beef those that managed to obtain one

that's standard!
if you are young with a foreign degree that your interviewer does not have, you are in soup. their fear is you would be the one to force them into early retirement or your rise to the top would be rapid.

yhemster: what you said sounds like a ponzy scheme, meaning you make an investment becos everyone is doing it and seems that they going to make money. While the facts remains, only the first privileged investors who got out of the scheme before the bubble busted are the lucky ones.

how's it ponzi?
even in ordinary business, money begets more money........if you want good salary, you have to study hard to get those jobs and education is expensive abroad. very very expensive!

AjanleKoko: They were told by whom?

public opinion!
actually, it's logical - if you bag foreign degrees in good schools, your chances of getting a job should be better than local degrees provided all other conditions are constant! it seems the reverse is the case in nigeria. it's all about who you know in the government or who you can bribe or sleëp with. the moral fabric is so dirty people are actually justifying it.

yhemster: If you are not going to Nigeria to set up your own business or work in a family business, its better to stay put in everywhere diaspora you are. Its true that Nigeria is changing for better and the middle class spending capacity is getting bigger but the fact is Nigeria is still under a transition period where there are great opportunities only for investors and not job-seekers. Its true that good education is the key to good living condition but only when the education can be put use; its like buying a bucket of KFC for a 2 year old who doesn't care what kind of food you give to him. There are job opportunities in Nigeria but its only everyone is over-qualified for the job. For example, in the USA, those so called engineers who works on oil rigs or engineering firm are mostly not university educated, majority of them are technicians who work their way up to becoming certified engineers through experience. The scenario in Nigeria today is that nobody was to start climbing from the bottom of the ladder, majority wants to jump on the ladder at the midway up which is not logical. Going overseas to get education is good idea but look before you leap next time. its time we start to consider the return on investment on education before paying for it.
My point is that only relocate to Nigeria when you have enough resources to set yourself a business or investment. One good thing for business owners in Nigeria now is educated labor is still very cheap, 40% of college graduates have masters degree and about 15% of college graduate have PHD.

Think on what you can do for your country and not what your country can do for you

i don't quite understand this bit.........
nigerians that travelled abroad to pursue foreign degrees did so initially with high hopes. they were told once they cop those foreign degrees getting good jobs would be relatively easier. how would they have known back then that nothing would come out of their expensive venture?

new maonza: I hope you have not fallen prey to the most popular scam in Nigeria..... Don't forget the meaning of a JOB, Itz something You do to ease someone off a burden he cant do himself but finds You able, competent and willing to do it...The reward is wages & salary....Do you have another definition for it

are you really justifying job applicants rubbing the palms of their employers?

new maonza: @ op: Forget all this your Jargon about Foreign degree, Just bring Yourself down and think like a Nigerian...You have forgotten your roots and now want people to worship u cos u are brandishing one University of London.... Guy nobody owes You a job,especially the juicy ones......I suspect that You no hustle for one single day b4 You went abroad......I even suspect that You no even try Scholarship, Popsi just dey spend 10 million annually on top ur education... If not, You for Know say Dem no dey Pluck money for Mango trees For Naija......... Guy, all hope is not lost, Just Give those HR guyz what they need, most times itz usually not intelligence but a willingness to just work your ass out in gruelling conditions and produce result ..... God will keep being your strength.

why should this be the case?
i have to rub palms of my employers before i get a job? what else do i have to do after i land the job? wash his car? suck his cöck? if they collect money from men to give them jobs, heaven knows what they would demand from female job applicants.......

LastApostle: OP, did they not taught you short hand at Cambridge?
If you write this thesis as an application for a job in Nigeria...walahi talahi...you fail or do you want to threaten your interviewer job?

what he said.........

[quote author=nnenna.1]Sad....all you need to do is be white and the whole world is pretty much your oyster with people bending the norms to ensure your comfort. Miraculously jobs that are hard to come by for Nigerians with elite degrees from foreign institutions are in abundance for foreigners with a lower grade education.

To the Europeans reading this thread... you JUST DON'T KNOW how good you have it.[/quote]they really don't know - the ones who know are permanently based in nigeria and they are never going back home.

dayokanu: The same reason everyone on NL claims to be related to Dangote. Heck were you not there when some people said 900k na small money. How many %age of Nigerian workers earn that a year. But online everyone na Adenuga

$15,000 What kind of business? Where do you plan to locate it? Is this just the running capital or everything you plan to spend? How much for rent? For utilities(light,phone,internet etc), How much for the raw material, staff costs, Bribe to everyone authorities, area boys, OPC security guards etc?

Unless the business is to sell Pure water, Recharge card and Viju milk in traffic

start from home!
ship as many 2nd hand blackberry phones as possible to lagos. sell at a profit and recycle!

[quote author=nnenna.1]Hah! one would think that foreign degrees would be in demand in Nigeria, like all things foreign.

Now why don't they extend this attitude towards foreign degrees to the expats coming to Nigeria? Or are foreign degrees good on a selective basis?[/quote]they respect white people more - once they know you are nigerian, they don't give a damn. i experienced that nonsense several times in lagos.

dayokanu: If you consider the other option waiting you in naija you would rather stay back. My friend just went back to Naija to visit He said all his friends that were bragging to be enjoying in Naija when he got back na all of them dey confess say things are at breaking point and asking how dey can bail out even those with 2 kids already

but why this deception?

Lemme ask you, How much do you think you would need in Nigeria to start the kind of company you have in mind?

£10,000 or $15,000

[quote author=A-town]Bros ye, like say you dey read my mind oh. Had a guy with undergrad from Georgia Tech, Masters from Princeton who went to test the waters and the employer told him at the interview that his undergraduate degree is worthless that why didn't he just go to Yaba tech. Ol boy, the guy paid KLM 250 bucks and rescheduled his flight bk to yankee straight[/quote]this is sad......
is there any solution to this or should this generation just fold it's arms and watch quality graduates become "free-newspaper" readers at T-junctions?

dayokanu: Both options are preferable than going back to naija to be humiliated.

so getting caught, humiliated, jailed and deported is better than going voluntarily to nigeria? i cannot seem to work that out in my head.

I have several friends who went back immediately and have tales of woe. One guy last year July from University of Sheffield still doesnt have a job till today and while in UK was hustling and making ends meet in his little way (Working call center).
Now he is the chairman of "newspapers free readers association in his area where he is giving out knowledge"

i think the best thing is to go back with your own money and start a small micro-company. like i have been told, even if you land a job, the dishonesty and the criminal activities in most of the companies would not sit well with you. if you complain - you get sacked or killed!

cheleku: Nice piece. But you got your message a bit muddled up. I don't quite get where stand on foreign degrees. You seem to discourage it at one point, and yet encourage it at some other point. On a lighter note, do you still have the funny accent? If you do, quickly discard of it. It may be the reason why you had to search for a job for so long.

bagging a foreign degree was not discouraged, he only said sometimes you wonder whether it's worth it bagging a foreign degree - and quickly said if given the chance, he would do it again and again.

dayokanu: If you have a foreign degree its better you stay back in the country you got it and try to work with it

Coming to Nigeria after spending millions on your degree and Someone would look at your resume See

Duke university or Brown university and would ask "Shey na school be this one? We no dey h-employ ppl from Yeye school o".

The person interviewing you probably did long distance degree at Maiduguri Polytechnic

if your visa is not renewed in the country you studied, you will die there or remain illegal?

I have attended many interviews, passed all of them and asked to “be ready to resume in two weeks”. Well, it is gone past one year now, and I have finally given up on this country. One thing though is clear, people such as Reuben Abati and Doyin Okupe might disagree (who cares?), but about 90 per cent of jobs in Nigeria go to cronies of either those in government or those working in places where such vacancies exist. Merit has been thrown to the dogs and that is why you find all manner of unintelligent people working in sensitive positions all over the country.

this bit is the saddest part for me.
the qualified ones would not get the jobs or careers they had studied hard for because they have no connections in the system. it's the mediocre, semi-illiterate touts you would find at the top which then makes it look like there are no quality graduates in nigeria. now i know why illegal immigrants will rather die abroad than go back to nigeria.

Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Reality

Nigeria is a highly blessed country to an abundance of mineral wealth and an energetic work force sadly, it is easier for a Senator to disclose how much he earns than for one to land any gainful employment here. Thus, in a bid to stand taller than most of my peers in the labour market, I joined the league of those who travelled to the United Kingdom for further studies. As a warning, those of you still contemplating returning to Nigeria for good should either look away now, or be ready to be jolted.

When I decided to relocate to Nigeria after a little under a decade in Europe, I did not imagine it would be easy to start a better life here; a life powered by a lucrative job. I did not reckon I would still be grappling with the viciousness of the Nigerian situation more than a year after I returned. I had many job promises from friends and contacts that gave the impression they had something to offer. I was very confident and couldn’t wait for my flight to depart London Heathrow Airport for the journey back home.

Finally in Nigeria, the euphoria of being back to a place I call home started to wear off after a month. As a man on a mission, I started moving round the country armed with my CV and a strong faith in Nigeria. I thought my newly acquired British accent and my UK certificates would make a difference. Well, my certificate has not made any difference and my “fake” accent only made most interviewers unfriendly. The only difference I have noticed is that the soles of my shoes have started wearing off due to trekking and my London clothes have started “fading”.

I have attended many interviews, passed all of them and asked to “be ready to resume in two weeks”. Well, it is gone past one year now, and I have finally given up on this country. One thing though is clear, people such as Reuben Abati and Doyin Okupe might disagree (who cares?), but about 90 per cent of jobs in Nigeria go to cronies of either those in government or those working in places where such vacancies exist. Merit has been thrown to the dogs and that is why you find all manner of unintelligent people working in sensitive positions all over the country.

Well, why not start something on your own, don’t expect the government to do everything for you, you know? What have I not tried? Even though it smirks of having a pessimistic disposition towards striving to make a living here, the fact remains that the government of Nigeria has not put the enabling environment in place for the advancement of private enterprise. That may well explain why you notice that only those that are close to the government make the list of “20 richest Nigerians”.

It is really a harrowing experience having to explain to friends why a business plan you thought was going to work out perfectly in Nigeria collapsed the very moment you stood up to try it out. Nigerian banks are not helping matters either; it is easier for a Boko Haram chap to embrace Christianity than for a Nigerian bank to agree to give you a loan to start a business. Be ready to produce all manner of “collateral”, your great-grandfather’s living next of kin, among others. This is the first step towards being disillusioned here.

If eventually you manage to establish something that has a semblance of a consultancy, or able to team up with an already established practice, you must be ready to deal with the realities on ground. Warning number one. Do not expect to see everybody exhibiting that rare sense of honesty. If you want to show most people that the way things are done here should be dumped for the better ways you learnt abroad, you will find out that you would be on “your own.” Ours is a system whose major fuel-source is corruption ­­— be ready to play ball, or at most, do not attempt to rock the boat.

After a while, you begin to ask yourself if it was really worth the stress-going to spend some good money studying abroad only to come back to Nigeria armed with a foreign certificate, an accent that makes you sound funny. Well, given another opportunity, I will do it again, and again. Quality education is power.

But then, what is the way forward?

I believe strongly that Nigeria remains one vast and lucrative market. Whoever that is daring will surely hit gold here. However, the key is to discard any false hopes that suggest that having a foreign degree is an assurance to some splendid employment. That was in the past.

Secondly, it is better to do a research on your intended engagement before you jet into Nigeria. From experience, all I had going for me was a luggage filled with job promises and a conviction that my foreign certificates would speed up the process of getting a good job. Wrong. People here excel in promising what they know is not within their power to do.

Thirdly (maybe most importantly), save up some cash before relocating to Nigeria-at least, enough cash to last you for about a year. Friends are many when you are “fresh” from overseas but the vanishing acts commence the moment you start moaning about paucity of funds and no employment. Most “friends” have a mental problem that makes them run faster than Usain Bolt the moment they suspect you will start asking for a loan. So, make sure you pinch your resources till you are sure of a regular income.

On a lighter note, be ready to become a Bible carrier, a “practising Muslim”, or a strong adherent of African Traditional Religion. You will be ridiculed, excluded and mocked the moment you attempt to convince your mates that there is so much poverty and ignorance in Nigeria, not because one is not a follower of any religion but because we have over the years, been ruled by visionless men and women whose major pre-occupation was looting our resources and banking same in foreign banks. Has that situation changed?

Finally, Nigeria is a beautiful country with a majority of the people willing to work to make a living. However, years of poor leadership and a docile citizenry have made living in Nigeria appear like being in hell. Believe me, there is everything stacked against you here, but the reality remains that you must be daring and be ready to get dirty to make a living here. Nigeria is the place to be. There are countless opportunities in Nigeria-we are not bad people, but our government is peopled by bad citizens.

by John Chikadibie Okafor.

usbcable: I SWEAR
I HAVE NEVER EVER FOREVER SEEN THE GUY ACT OTHERWISE THROUGHOUT A FILM.

even if he starts out as with a slight misdemeanor he ends up as a Holier than though Husband, Father, Concubine and what have you.

i can't stand taiwo hassan
the only armed robber who begs his victims to surrender their properties. he plays that mr nice role to a ridiculous level. he makes me sick in movies. he talks like a child too.

nitlad: You did not give it a go until the last 15 mins or thereabout.

last 15 mins? when did evra break before being pulled down and that useless referee bricked it instead of sending the defender off.

It would be outrightly dis-respectful for the Madrid Camp to be yapping about how easily they'd tame Rooney nah
Pepe would own Rooney!

you don't shackle rooney - if he plays upfront, madrid would worry more about defending than attacking.

Perhaps we watched different games. The match I watched, Ribery consistently gave Rafael the demons before he eventually succumbed to the immense physical and mental torture by giving away a criminally unforgivable foul! Likewise, Robben embarked on numerous of his tredemark runs unchecked before he topped it with that unstoppable drive!

ribery was non-existent - he was in rafael's pocket. he kept diving and moaning during the game too and got rafael an undeserved yellow in the first half. then rafael held him then ribery stopped running when he could have continued just to make sure his nemesis saw red!

You said United would destroy any team should you go 'gung-ho'.

any team - this united side is different now unlike when rooney was the only genuine threat. now you have van persie who can also play the false 9. with 2 false 9s on the pitch, defenders are in for a nightmare. the current squad would destroy any team in europe as we speak!

In Ozil and Alonso, they have great passers of the ball. In Ronaldo and Di Maria, they have outworldly movers of the ball, who can also deliver exquisite crosses. They are multi-dimentional in play!

hahaha - if they were this good they wouldn't be lying some 13 points below barcelona. la liga is weak. apart from barcelona, madrid can do as they please against the other teams and cop results. this is the 12th consecutive season without a champions league final! how good are madrid in the continent?

Block the road to counters (an impossible task, given that you'd rather go 'gung-ho') and get bombarded with a barrage of crosses! You can also be picked apart by an Alonso or Ozil through ball!

vidic-rio-evans-smalling plus rafael/evra protecting the flanks. add angel michael to the mix with his intelligence and madrid are clueless. i can't wait for tomorrow - talk is cheap! i just hope fergie don't give giggs a start tomorrow. carrick + cleverley + anderson and madrid would die!

dayokanu: At the time Nani scored Bayern was already gaining the upper hand. Van Der Saar just made a save and the dominance showed when olic rapped Carrick for the goal in the 44th mins. After then it was all Bayern.

there was no bayern dominance until nani's goal - something beckenbauer even confirmed after the game. the olic missed chance and the goal were completely against the run of play. rafael had just missed a chance when he ran with the ball through your midfield for 70 yards before missing narrowly!

Go and watch the game again, I have it recorded and can give you a minute by minute blow

then you must have amnesia if you have the match recorded and then claim united only dominated for 30 mins. the turning point in the game was rafael's 2nd yellow card! without that, bayern were being shredded into tatters!