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MaxInDHouse:
Now you're looking for his trouble big time!

Hahahaha 😂😂

Emusan:
And you asked!

I don't need your answer

Emusan:
But you didn't answer my question?



Answer my question first.

Lol I don't even need your answers

MaxInDHouse:
He won't give you a definite answer so that you won't expose his ignorance that's how i got to know that he is achorladey.
Both monikers don't answer direct questions but they will be provoked if you refuse to answer them YES or NO!

I know they are the same person na.

That day I was replying to both of them at the same time but I later said "bye" to "achorladey" and went on to reply "Emusan". He used his achorladey moniker to reply me that "my byes no dé finish". He said that the first time but I didn't reply him.
So I replied Emusan again and he replied with achorladey moniker that my byes no dé finish.

That was when I noticed that the same person is running both accounts.

Emusan:
So who is an unbelievers?



Now you're talking.

Let this be bookmark



If it's their choice too

That's where the topic of discussion comes in
Can you sit for your child at his/her wedding to a person from another faith?

Emusan:
Very lazy.

Lol
Or you can't explain what firstborn from the dead means

Emusan:
That's why I do say you people are evil

Now, the firstborn is different in Psalm.



But that's your conclusion.



And He was never created.



First in PREEMINENCE again

When the mouth is full of much lies.



Which is different from Paul interpretation.

because Paul explained what he MEANT BY that phrase in the very passage.

Lol no where in the Bible says Jesus was never created
"Firstborn of all creation/creatures" means out of every creation/creatures, Jesus has a firstborn status, that is, he's first to be created and first in preeminence or most preeminent.

Emusan:
That's why I said don't block your brain when reading post. So you can go back and read it.

I can't go back

Emusan:
And you don't even have brain to read and understand before you reply.

Which is the reason I said that means what you read from the story isn't new in Christianity and even went further to ask you who is A BELIEVER AND WHO ARE NOT A BELIEVER according to the scripture?

What did you do?

You only gaslight it and now come back of what you already ignored



When you already says JWs aren't to marry outside.

So, redirect your question, can you allow your daughter to marry my son?

Then I will take you serious

None of my offspring will marry an unbeliever in Jesus name.
Well if they do, it's totally their choice.

Can your children marry a Jehovah witness?

Emusan:
I've already explained this also.

Stop blocking your brain when you're reading people post.

I didn't see it.

What does firstborn from the dead mean?

Emusan:
I've told you what that means.

“I also shall make him My firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth." I quoted this before.

So FIRSTBORN isn't about FIRST CREATED

Lol firstborn as used in that psalm is very different from the firstborn Paul used at Colossians 1:15,18.

I never said firstborn means first created.
As you can see the whole phrase "firstborn of all creation".
This shows the status of Jesus among every other creation.
Jesus was first to be created and first in preeminence

My interpretation for firstborn is; first regarding the order of time and first in preeminence or superiority.

Emusan:
You didn't get it or you did but still living in your delusion.

The text says "He MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS"

All things already included creation.

And even the first these is about SUPERIORITY

If it's just about superiority, what does firstborn among the dead [/b]mean?

Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, [b]the firstborn of every creature:

Even if it's about superiority alone, the verse still shows that Jesus is part of creation.

Aemmyjah:
Which Jehovah's Witnesses
Abeg o

Hahaha 🤣🤣

Emusan:
Was the story you posted about JWs?

Can you see your life outside?

Lol you don't think before you type lol.
I was proving a point that real Christians can't marry people outside their faith.

Can you allow your daughter to marry someone from Jehovah witnesses?

Emusan:
After all, I'm not like you.



Who created ALL THINGS?



Then if he is the first,

Why must HE still need to "BE THE ONE WHO might BECOME FIRST in ALL THINGS(which included creation?"

I know you lack simple comprehension, the key phrase her is "Might BECOME FIRST"

Being the first to be created is just one of the instances where Jesus is the first just like he's first among those that will be raised to spirit being.

Emusan:
He was never created in the first place.

But if you agree that Jesus was created, then based on John 1:3 it means Jesus created Himself.

because Bible is so straight that "WITHOUT HIM, NOTHING was created"

He was not created but he's the firstborn of all creatures lol

Emusan:
Like I said, if Jesus was first created, then no need for Paul to say "So that He MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO IS FIRST IN ALL THINGS"



I even gave you a passage in Psalm where it was stated that Jesus was MADE FIRSTBORN.

So what Paul was addressing there is the superiority of Jesus over creation because Paul already stated that Jesus CREATED EVERYTHING.



Reading the content you will understand why.



So what Paul meant is the superiority.

He even used PREEMINENCE so that people like you won't be deceived.



No!



No! The first to experience the actual RESURRECTION believers in Christ will experience.



I just need you time for Bible study.

Did Jesus create himself?

Emusan:
You can see how you shot yourself in the legs

Then the next verse says so that "He might be the one WHO IS FIRST IN ALL THINGS"



JESUS is the Creator.

NOTHING WAS CREATED without Jesus.

So if Jesus is the first created, then it means Jesus Created Himself



That's why they usually collect Bible study every day

Only if you know that you didn't say anything worthwhile

Jesus was never called the creator.

And of course Jesus is first in all things and being first among creatures and first to be raised into a spirit being are part of his first

Emusan:
I'm married already Mr

So what is your business with the story you pasted here?

What's your business with knowing my business about the story I posted there
Are you a JW?

Emusan:
Check your brain first



Then where did the phrase FIRST CREATED is in the scripture?



And I've showed you that, that is a wrong interpretation of that verse since ALL THINGS came into being THROUGH Jesus.



That's not what the verse says, stop twisting the scripture.

So that He might BECOME THE ONE WHO IS FIRST in ALL THINGS.

If Jesus was first created then there's no need to still BE THE ONE WHO MIGHT BE FIRST again.

English language is not that hard, just open your brain for easy understanding.

Jesus is first in all your things of course. He's first to be created and first to be raised into a spirit being

"First created" comes from "firstborn of all creation/creatures.".
It means out of all creation, Jesus was the first and most preeminent

The Jehovah's witnesses are not your mates when it comes to bible matter

Emusan:
I've said this above meaning you don't pay attention but just burying your head in what has been fused into it.

Firstborn means "superior in"

As you can see from Psalm 89:27 “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth."

This doesn't mean the FIRST ENTHRONED KING on earth.

Also, this verse says CHRIST will be MADE FIRSTBORN.

Reason why Apostle Paul says "He must be the ONE WHO COME FIRST IN ALL THINGS"

Summary, Jesus was not part of creation but when he became part of Creation He must still take first Position in everything.

BIBLE STUDY 101

Lol
You have failed woefully

Colossians 1:15,18
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[18]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The word firstborn as used by Paul in both verses doesn't only signify superiority or preeminence, it also signifies the "first in the order of time".
For example, let say I'm the firstborn son of my parents, it'd mean that I'm the first (regarding time) male child they gave birth to in our family.

So why did Paul use the word "firstborn"?
Don't forget that firstborn means first regarding to time and also regarding preeminence or superiority.

So according to verse 15, "firstborn of all creation/creatures" means first to be created and most preeminent (or first in preeminence) among things that were created.

In verse 18, "firstborn from the dead" means that among those that will be raised from the dead to a spirit being, Jesus is the first and most preeminent.

I won't collect offering for this Bible study

Emusan:
So the example you cited, are they following Bible principles and commandments or Satan principles and commandments?




So who is a believer and who is not a believer?



Read the thread for understanding.

Even some JWs testified here that they actually married outside JWs and their family sees nothing wrong with it.

Don't change gear yet

You can marry whoever you want to marry. That's your business not mine

johnw47:
dum false jw cornyboy

God bought forth Wisdom from Himself to become His Son/Wisdom/the Word of God, proverbs 8
God begat the Word from Himself, not created Him from nothing



you evil false jw's added "other" multiple times to col 1:16-17 to mke it look like Jesus/the Word was created



the Word/Jesus is the firstborn of all Persons, not created, john 1:3 and col 1:16-17
makes that truth perfectly clear oh blinded one:

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

Thank you. Whether you use beget or create, it's still the same thing. The fact is that everything comes from God. Jesus was begotten, Jesus came from God too, we don't know how God did that but it's a fact that Jesus is a separate entity different from the Father.
After God beget/created Jesus, then he used Jesus to create everything else.

Throughout the Bible, no where did Jesus claim to be the creator, none of the apostle called him the creator. They only refer to God the Father as the creator.
It's simple, when you hire a an engineer to build something for you, who's the owner of that thing, you or the engineer?
Of course it's you! Everything Jesus used, the wisdom, intelligence, power was given to Jesus by his Father so undoubtedly, God is the creator not Jesus.

PoliteActivist:
"Loves the war" is same as "Doesn't want the war to end". Both are commentary on what this your non-existent "US" thinks. Both are nonsensical statements

Whatever interpretation you give to it is up to you. And we don't have to agree with each other

Emusan:
Without Jesus, NOTHING came into being.



Yes! because The Word who became Christ is God's Word.

Reason why scripture says God created everything ALL BY HIMSELF.

God didn't use anybody outside His being in creation.



Provide the verse.



Now, you're back to your initial denial.

Firstborn now means first created



That means God is lying in John 1:3 "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." - NWT

Lol it's seems your brain and eye stop functioning whenever reading my posts.

I didn't interpret "firstborn" to "first created". I interpreted the whole phrase, "firstborn of all creation/creature".
That means Jesus was part of God's creation and he's even the first and most preeminent of all creation.

If he's first in all things, he's definitely the first to be created

Aemmyjah:
One final verse and logic I use with those arguing on Trinity, I use 1 Corinthians 11:3

But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

Very self explanatory
I then ask, 'According to that verse, is the man and woman equal? Is Man the same as woman? Is the Man and Christ equal? Is Man Christ?
Man is not equal to the woman but the man has authority over the woman
Man is not equal to Christ and Christ has authority over the man
If they can agree on the above, why should it be argued that Christ is not God or equal to God but subject to God?

They start to look at the Bible as if it was a new verse, others argue blindly

Whoa your logic is perfect.
I had an argument with that same verse with a friend. He was saying that man and woman are equal and Christ and God are equal too. He said being head over someone is not the same as being superior over that person.
So I can ask him now that "does that mean man is equal to Christ too?"

Thanks for sharing that 💕

PoliteActivist:
And that's why you can say: "US funds the war" , while the statement "US loves this war" is nonsensical. One would think that's obvious! Nothing people no go argue on Nairaland.

I never said US loves the war. They might not love it but yeah they are supporting the war for their self interest.
Na you dé argue wetin you no suppose argue.

Emusan:
Not my interpretation but the meaning of those words you're using.

You made this claim above "Hahahaha they are really funny.
I'll be here to correct their mistakes"

So why can't you point out my mistakes?

Lol what does firstborn mean?
Gimme another word or phrase for firstborn

Emusan:
This shows that nothing JWs does that is new to Christianity

It's not about doing new things lol
It's about following every Bible principles and commandments.
A believer clearly can't marry an unbelieving spouse.

So people dragging the JW father's for not supporting their their children marrying from another religion are ignorant or don't take the Bible serious.

johnw47:
lost false jw cornyboy

you people are blinded, there is a difference between firstborn/begotten, and created
there is a difference between 1.God begat the word, and
2.God created the Word.
the second is clearly wrong, there is much scripture showing that the Word is begotten, God's only begotten Son,

the word in col 1:15 is "ktisis" it can be used for creation, and it can be used for creature, depending on context and other scriptures
i don't call the Son of God a creature, so i say:
"He is the firstborn of all persons", which of course is true


God created all things through the Word, and God created nothing by Himself,
again showing the Word is not created:

nasb Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 
kjv Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
afv Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and not even one thing that was created came into being without Him. 
etc.etc.etc.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

If God created nothing then how did Jesus exist? The facts is that God created everything else through Jesus Christ. He of course created Jesus. That's why Jesus is the firstborn of all creation/creature. He's the first to be created and most preeminent of God's creation.

PoliteActivist:
Which brings us back to square one - yet you say you get my point!
So, sir, in this particular case we are discussing, explain to us who or what entity is the "US" that doesn't want the war to end (considering you've been shown screenshots that those who fund the war are about evenly divided about it!)

The form of government they use doesn't matter. The votes and opinions of the minority in the Congress doesn't matter too.
What matters is their decision of the majority at the end of the day.
So it doesn't matter if some few people are against funding the war. The fact is US funds Ukraine in the war against Russia.

MaxInDHouse:
Let them tell how the firstborn is no part of those being born.
First born of all creations simply means the person in question is part of creation.
Simple as ABC!

Of course it clearly shows Jesus was part of God's creation