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Emusan:
I've made myself cleared on this.



Just say you cherry pick them because I'm sure you won't quote them whenever they against your view.

Now, do you compare them with NWT?



So which version did you read it from that Jesus is the first created being?



This was your initial point

But you're using the silent point of FIRSTBORN to arrive at FIRST CREATED.

So the two are of different meaning.



The @underlined is your conjecture not from the scripture.

Reason you keep confusing yourself.

Then why must Jesus still be the one SHOULD BE FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

If we go by your explanation here, reason why you can't answer that question.



If Jesus is part of creation then it means Jesus created Himself.

Preeminence means sovereign OVER ALL CREATIONS.

John 1:3 says "Apart from Him, NOT EVEN ONE THING was created.."

You can see the reason why Watchtower has to dubiously inserted the word "OTHER" multiple times in Col 1:16-18.



No! Don't twist it.

After Paul described Jesus as the Creator in that Col 1, he went further to say He is the first to be raised and end it by saying "so that HE WILL BE FIRST IN EVERYTHING" that is the key point.

If Jesus was created, no need for that statement.

Guy hold on to your interpretation.

http://www.torimill.com/2017/10/nigerian-lady-suspended-from-her-church.html

Lol the guy was asking "where is the love"? Lol

MaxInDHouse:
@ Cornelboy
Let them change the meaning of the word "FIRSTBORN" nah
Perhaps English will change the meaning of that word because Churchgoers are demanding it!

Hahahaha they are really funny.
I'll be here to correct their mistakes

[quote author=Emusan post=126177535][/quote]

Sure I can't!
But will you use the same KJV or any other versions when it's against you?
That's why you must stick to the version you subscribe to.

You can't tell me which versions to quote or which ones not to quote.
I use all the scriptures and compare them together.
I have never quoted the NWT here. So don't ever bring that up again.

But not FIRST CREATED.

The two aren't the same.

I never said "firstborn" means "first created".
Firstborn signifies first in order of time and first in importance or preeminence.

"Firstborn of all creation/creature" simply means Jesus is the first and most important creature in God's creation.

It's clear that Jesus is part of creation and he's the first (order of time) and most preeminent of everything created.
Just like he's the first and most preeminent among the believers that will be/were raised from the dead to spirit beings. Colossians 1:18.

Emusan:
KJV is not your cherry pick one, people behind the work of KJV didn't believe Jesus was created so next time stick to your own translation NWT.

"and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things;" - NWT

Two things here:

First: He is THE BEGINNING, note that The Father is also called The Beginning

Second: So that he might BECOME the ONE who is FIRST in ALL THINGS.

If you agree with Watchtower that Jesus was the FIRST created Being, why must He be the ONE WHO BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

Is He not the FIRST IN ALL THINGS before?

Lol you're not in any position to tell me which versions to use.
Firstborn means first in order of time and importance.

So "Jesus is the firstborn of all creation" clearly shows that Jesus was part of creation and he's the first to be created and most preeminent of all creation.

PoliteActivist:
I totally get your point, and you get mine. You just don't want to admit you lost the argument.
Simple: you can say: "US is funding the war" BUT you can't say "US doesn't want the war to end" because that would be about what US THINKS! And there is no "US" in that regard!
You can say "Russia doesn't want the war to end" because that'd be about what PUTIN thinks!

I already agreed with you that was why I said I got your point.

I'm only trying to show you that I'm not wrong too.

Actually you're wrong because, the US government represents the US. And whatever decision they make in the Congress and signed by Biden, that's what holds.
If I can say "the US is funding the war" I can also say "the US doesn't want the war to end".

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying the first born of creation is no part of creation?
What is the meaning of the word firstborn Son in a family?

Firstborn simply signifies "first in importance" and "first in order of time".

In the Bible, among the Israelites, firstborns possessed special rights and importance in the family and of course they were the first to be born into their families.

Colossians 1:15 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature


So Jesus was the first to be created out of every creation and also the most preeminent.

Colossians 1:18 KJV
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

Here it shows that Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead to a spirit life and also the most preeminent.

PoliteActivist:
You obviously didn't read my posts.
Here they are again below.
Please read them carefully

Since you don't get my point no problem.

22jumpstreet1:
Adam means ''man''

there is nothing like death, it is an illusion..

what have I been saying since?

Okay

PoliteActivist:
Bottom line: you can say what US does but you can't say what US thinks because no individual or unanimous group is synonymous with "US". You can say what Russia thinks because Russia is synonymous with Putin.
I'm sure now you get it!

See I get your point. You're the one not getting mine.
I know that the Congress members have to debate, vote and all that but their final decision is what that's important.
So when the majority of the members agrees to fund Ukraine, I can say the US funds Ukraine.
If the majority eventually decides to stop funding Ukraine, I can equally say the US stopped funding Ukraine.

PoliteActivist:
Yes, you can say "US stopped funding the war"!!
Just as you can say right now "US is funding the war".
You can say what US is actually doing!!
BUT you can't say what US THINKS {"doesn't want the war to end"} as you can say about Russia, because there is no "US" in that regard!
Get it?

The arguments and division among the Congress members is not my concern.

Their decision and actions at the end of the day is what is important. And the fact is the US has been supporting the war.

MaxInDHouse:
They were all DISFELLOWSHIPED!

That's why they're crying day and night on this forum as if JWs took away their bread!

A no understand why dem no fit move on and find a better religion

achorladey:
Madman, madness and insanities peddling peddler, the madness and insanities troubling your brains led you to.........



Only to come back after one week to start peddling madness and insanities over the person you will ignore completely.



My business on nairaland is within my jurisdiction to decide. Part of it involves exposing your madness and insanities peddling on nairaland about me.



What it adds or subtract in my life is for me to decide. It is my life.



The madness and insanities wey dey worry you dey progress steadily




Madman and insanities peddling peddler already said.........




Oya peddle the next evidence about your insanities and madness on nairaland

Wa bo ninu e

How is exposing madness and Insanities peddling any of your business no be me disfellowship you na
Instead of transferring the aggression to me on Nairaland, go and face the elders that chased you out like a real man. Don't be a coward

achorladey:
Your insanities and madness peddling was not and never meant to add anything to my life. Rather it was meant to bring to the notice of others I converse with on nairaland that you peddle madness and insanities here



Madness and insanities peddling peddler with lies and manipulations added you claim.

I didn't claim I left. That is another madness and insanities peddling from your lies and manipulated brains





Madness and insanities dey worry you

What I peddle is none of your business. Why do you care so much about what I peddle
Does bringing it to the notice of Nairalanders add anything to your life

Lol you were never a Jehovah witness, is that what you're saying, you have been lying all this while
Keep peddling that lie to your soul. No carry am come Nairaland

Oya bring the evidence say dem no chase you away like a madman

achorladey:
Your madness and insanities peddling just dey start.




It was never to remove C from Cornelboy paapaa. It is meant to show that cornelboy na fraud as a whole in terms of telling the truth

You come to nairaland to peddle lies, insanities, madness and manipulations




See it here

Cornelboy:



Your madness and insanities in summary

What's your business with my peddling madness and Insanities. Whether it start or not won't add anything to your life

You claim that you left the JW org and not disfellowshipped oya bring proof that you're not lying

achorladey:
See how easy for me to expose your unreasonableness. I asked the question earlier, you dodged it. I know you will fall into the trap. Since your brains are filled with insanities and madness peddling.....



You said I was disfellowshipped. Just look at the above and see your madness and insanities.

You didn't start with

Achorladey might be disfellowshipped, you said Achorladey was disfellowshipped.

Your madness and insanities peddling is bright like the day.

I don settle your case.

You are a proper liar and manipulator. Stop peddling mumu and no get sense over English language. The simple test you were given. Na massive failure

You still dey put claims that I left. Madness and insanities peddling peddler. Pele wa bo ninu e

My unreasonableness is none of your business.
Whether you expose it or not will not remove y from cornelboy

Bring evidence for your claim that you left and weren't disfellowshipped

achorladey:
The madness and insanities peddling of Cornelboy accompanied by MaxInDHouse in summary....

Cornelboy started by saying.......

Cornelboy: Achorladey was disfellowshipped

He added......

Cornelboy: You(Achorladey) is my evidence that you were not disfellowshipped


How you wan define madness and insanities peddling again as it concerns cornelboy?

Cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron, Courz

Cornelboy your case is settled.

The real beginning of madness

HellVictorinho6:
There is no universe, neither is there perfection.

Complexity of cell has no purpose.

It is just as complex as certain movements that happen for no reason.

Google is crazy

Money is 4 enjoyment.

Science aint new to the sun.

Mathematics aint proving otherwise

Philosophy shows how poor humans can be.

Mark Zuckerberg will hear from me.

Nairaland is not a barrier.

Oya go make money and live your life

achorladey:
See how easy for me to expose your unreasonableness. I asked the question earlier, you dodged it. I know you will fall into the trap. Since your brains are filled with insanities and madness peddling.....




You said[b] I am disfellowshipped[/b]. Just look at the above and see your madness and insanities



You didn't start with

Achorladey might be disfellowshipped, you said Achorladey is disfellowshipped.

Your madness and insanities peddling is bright like the day.

I don settle your case

You are a proper liar and manipulator. Stop peddling mumu and no get sense over English language.

Lol which case you settle. You never settle anything
You claimed that you left yourself oya back it up with evidence

PoliteActivist:
Na wa for you o. It's been shown to you in screenshots why the statement "US doesn't want the war to end" can't be right.
And even "US govt doesn't want the war to end" is still wrong because (as shown to you in screenshots) US congress - who are the ones that fund the war, are about evenly divided about the war. You can say what Russia wants about the war because Russia means Putin. Doesn't apply in the case of US!

That's none of my business. The fact is US evidently funded and supported Ukraine the war.
If they eventually stopped funding them and somehow stopped the war, I'd say something like "US stopped funding Ukraine or US stopped the war".

achorladey:
But I solicited for evidence that I was not disfellowshipped?

You're my evidence that you're were not disfellowshipped
But I'm not sure you might be lying so bring evidence that you left yourself

MaxInDHouse:
I know many as in many billionaires who never passed through varsity so what are they saying?

He's not making any sense Sir.
How was you day?

achorladey:
Did I say I was disfellowshipped?

Oya lie the floor is open?

You already said you were not disfellowshipped but you left
Oya bring evidence that you left but not disfellowshipped

achorladey:
The below Not solicited for right?

The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi, shortened from Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat - the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks[/b]Cornelboy said Achorladey is disfellowshipped), not the one [b]who negates [/b]Achorladey said he is not disfellowshipped) is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide [b]sufficient warrant for its position.(that Achorladey is disfellowshipped is your position)

You said you left willingly yourself. Oya bring the proof

achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling peddler? You said it is useless. These one are rich and equally have degrees

Let it fit into your madness and insanities peddling brains

I said useless in a post, I said not needed in another and I used not necessary in one...
My point is degree are not needed to make it in life. That's fact.

achorladey:
This one don hang on his lies and manipulations. Your madness and insanities peddling is clear for all to see.

Na Bookmarked thread be this. You will provide that evidence.

Oya bring proof that I lied

achorladey:
Make I teach you English small despite your madness and insanities peddling brains

The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi, shortened from Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat - the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks[/b]Cornelboy said Achorladey is disfellowshipped), not the one [b]who negates[/b]Achorladey said he is not disfellowshipped) is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide [b]sufficient warrant for its position.(that Achorladey is disfellowshipped is your position)

Not solicited for

achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling peddler? You said it is useless. These one are rich and equally have degrees

Let it fit into your madness and insanities peddling brains

Did their degree make them the money

achorladey:
You are a liar and manipulator. Carry evidence that I was disfellowshipped.

Bring your own evidence first. I will show you mine

No bring yours first

Courz:
So, these Lies from your website dey fear you to address abi? Who is the Liar now? Why is your Watchtower lying to the public? Are you people not called The Truth? Where is the Truth in these screenshots?

I hope say English no be your problem

achorladey:
Your madness and insanities peddling brains peddling lies and manipulations already exposed.

Out of the first ten in the list below how many don't have degrees.

Lol did their degree give them the money

achorladey:
Your madness and insanities peddling will not end today.


I need evidence that I was disfellowshipped as stated by you. Whenever we say something about your religious organization we back it up with evidence. You know that. What you are doing this night will haunt you continuously on this platform.

You said yourself oya bring evidence